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cRobo:
The just shall live by faith

The above does not address the concern.

We have lots of clergy men and women promising miraculous cure for all sort of Illnesses.

Time for them to stand up and be counted.

Simple!

Peace.

Ladylite:
Since 2015 we were told it was coming and told what to do.


Go to the quarantine section and say you are a pastor and you can heal them, and see if they would take you serious.


God is not surprised by this. But only few who are close to him are privileged to be informed so they inform whomever would listen.


Stop usingNigerian pastors to judge God.

Watch and be humbled.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WCQhuh3KDg

I don't get you one bit.

Please explain yourself.

Were you unable to properly read the msg and getting the sense of it?

Are you saying that people that are sick and in need of healing are scarce?

What do you mean by Nigerian?

What exactly are you saying?

If they cannot come out and heal the world as they had been promising us, what should we conclude concerning them and their promises?

Considering that this Virus, Corona Virus, Covid 19 is present world over, none of the so called miracle tauting religious/Christian Miracle practitioners in Churches will claim not to be aware of its presence in his or her location,

Hence, one will naturally have expectation from the people that have been promising miracle to us all this while. Inviting people to come for this and for that.

So, one cannot help but ask: where are this people that have been offering miraculous healing all this while

Where are the promises? Where is their religious efficacy when it is most needed. Corona Virus is here for them to show working.

People are dying all over the world, are they not going to come forth and heal those that are sick?

If they cannot come out now that people are dying in droves, may they all remain indoors for all times and never come out to promised healing again. AVER!

Peace

amdman:
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xpmode:
Simple answer is, no one dies in eternity, you only die in this world of sin

RuthlessLeader:
But if you are a sinner, you spend eternity in hell.

xpmode:
How does your response correlation with the OP or my comments,

DO you need your med

@Xpmode

Don't be a charlatan, see your initial comment and the implied reply you got before you started cursing. If you don't have what to say just keep quiet.

Peace.

Ihedinobi3:
Yes, it has been some time, truthislight. How have you been, friend?

I think the question is obvious. I was not claiming that there was no global flood. I was saying that I was referring to another deluge. There were two. One happened and covered all of material creation before man was made (Gen 1:2) and the second covered only the Earth (Gen 7:24).

Was that ^^^ one still not on planet earth?

HappyPagan:
Na muskeeto/amanfrommars/sonoflucifer

LOL.

@Muskee, na you?

Long time.

This one way Pegan dong join your handle, what has changed?

Ihedinobi3:
The guy wanted to write "universe" and did.

Ihedinobi

Long time.

OK o, If that was what you wanted to ask.

One wonders the Ark of Noah on the water where that was.

Any way, enjoy.

frank317:
U make up ur own stories and when u are questioned u start throwing accusations.

I couldn't see where the universe was destroyed with water in all ur quotes... At least u could have highlighted it for clarity sake.

U are a very dangerous person

Cho! nairaland Atheist are harsh.

dalaman:
Make things up as you go is the name of the game. Christians are very dangerous liars. Imagine someone saying that God destroyed the universe of that time with water. So water was used to destroy the universe at a time. Christians are very dangerous and crazy.

LOL.

This Guy you harsh o.

The guy had probably wanted to write earth, but Universe came into his hands. LOL.

HappyPagan:
truthislight, you still dey this nl?

Yes O!

We dey.
Pagan 9ja, na you be that? long time no see. Good to hear from you.

The OT clearly prophesied that the Messiah Jesus will die for the sins of Man.

If it is written as above, that is what that matters. It does not matter what man says.

The ways of man is not the way of Yahweh.

MuttleyLaff:
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But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
- Isaiah 53:5

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
- 1 Peter 2:24

The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree
- Acts 5:30

For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
- 1 Corinthians 15:3

You should have dropped the most of the chapter 53 of Isaiah for him to see.

Here:

Isaiah 53:2-11

2 He will come up like a twigd before him,* like a root out of parched land.
No stately form does he have, nor any splendor;e
And when we see him, his appearance does not draw us to him.*
3 He was despised and was avoided by men,f
A man who was meant for* pains and was familiar with sickness.
It was as if his face were hidden from us.*
He was despised, and we held him as of no account.g
4 Truly he himself carried our sicknesses,h
And he bore our pains.i
But we considered him as plagued, stricken by God and afflicted.

5 But he was pierced for our transgression;k
He was crushed for our errors.l
He bore the punishment for our peace,m
And because of his wounds we were healed.n
6 Like sheep we have all wandered about,o
Each has turned his own way,
And Jehovah has caused the error of us all to meet up with him.p
7 He was oppressed and he let himself be afflicted,r
But he would not open his mouth.
He was brought like a sheep to the slaughter,s
Like a ewe that is silent before its shearers,
And he would not open his mouth.t
8 Because of restraint* and judgment he was taken away;
And who will concern himself with the details of his generation?*
For he was cut off from the land of the living;u
Because of the transgression of my people he received the stroke.*v

9 And he was given a burial place* with the wicked,
And with the rich* in his death,
Although he had done no wrong*
And there was no deception in his mouth.

10 But it was Jehovah’s will* to crush him, and he let him become sick.
If you will present his life* as a guilt offering,
He will see his offspring,* he will prolong his days,
And through him the delight* of Jehovah will have success.
11 Because of his anguish,* he will see and be satisfied.
By means of his knowledge the righteous one, my servant,
Will bring a righteous standing to many people,
And their errors he will bear.

PastorAIO:
I find it interesting to discover that there are 'christians' (such as the Jehovah's Witnesses) that would readily reject the LXX regardless of the fact that Early Christianity was itself based on the LXX.

Lol. Transferred aggression that is.

That you have a disagreement with one or two persons on Nairaland on a different topic, does not translate to such generalization of what JW as an organisation accepts or rejects. Things must be seen from their perspectives.

Your statement above is a false accusation.

ichuka:
King James Version
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

So?

Is the giving of a clean slate not good enough mercy to you? If the nation of Israel had a clean slate free from Adamic sin do you know how easier their service to Yahweh would have been? Would they have been encumbered with all those animal sacrifices?

We should be grateful for this great opportunity given to us and stop claiming fallacy.

The freedom we have now in the worship of Yahweh makes the Christian worship far more easier than it was with the nation of Israel, this adds to why we should show gratitude and appreciation for this undeserved kindness (grace) by imitating his goodness and using this gift and opportunity to the fullest..

ichuka:
@OP NO!
Can he/she still commit sin?YES!
Is He still a sinner?NO!
I can operate heavy duty equipments soundly but,that doesn't qualifies me as a crane/swap buggy operator.

We were only given a clean slate to start afresh without counting the sins of Adam for his offspring that has always been the case before the coming of the Christ/death.

God did not initiate partiality for those living after the dearth of Christ. We are still humans same as those that live before Christ, But without Adamic sin weighing us down.

If automatic immunity was not given to those before Christ, What justice is there if they are to die for their sins and we will not, but will be save irrespective of our actions? God almighty is not a party to partiality.

Peace

RedReact:
^^^
There is difference between committing sin and being a sinner.

A believer has the nature of righteousnessbin him, no doubt. But due to the fact that we are still living in this earthly body (the flesh), we are still liable to err. Remember the scripture enjoins is to be perfect, as our Father is. It wouldn't have said so if the ability to do that is not in is (a sinner cannot be asked such) and we wouldn't be asked to be if there is no tendency to deviate from that path of perfection.

The above is coloration of the argument with wrongly applied notion.

The question is: CAN A CHRISTIAN, BELIEVER, OR BORN AGAIN LOOSE OUT OR BE REJECTED BY GOD? (Loose holy spirit)

The above is what you should explicitly answer and not using the encouragement to christian to imitate the perfection of almighty God as a basis to justify your "doctrine of once save always saved".

We are asked to imitate God now because we have a model of Christ example to follow and the help of the holy spirit to pursue righteousness unlike before. That we are told to pursue perfection in know way make us perfect but rather that we have the tools or means to do so.

That Christians have the means to do so, does it means that it is all that will be successful or keep the holy spirit? NO!

That you give a student all the material to prepare for an examination to pass with an 'A' and you encourage the child to go for an 'A' in no way means that the child will make an 'A'.

Peace.

jiggaz:
Ananias and Saphira were not Christians. When the bible wants to talk about them, it says "a certain man" but when it wants to talk about a Christian it says "a certain disciple" So from the above explanation, you will understand that they were just church goers, just like we have some church goers today in the church. They don't believe in the finished work of Christ for their salvation.

JUST SHARRAAAAAP!

When you people wants to justify falsehood you pop out birds from your hat.

A none Christian that was answerable to the apostles as though the Apostles were political leaders. What else did he needed to do to be a christian that he did not do that you know about to warrant you saying he was not a Christian?

The Bible consistently says that he that endures to the end will be saved, you say no that you are saved and don't need the encouragement to endure to the end. Paul wasted his time advising your lots.

kkins25:
Pastoraio vs trughtislight in order words facts vs sentiment

I wish I could get into your mind to get precisely what you are all about on that.

PastorAIO:
But the passage in the Septuagint says 'Kyrios' meaning Lord.

Of course we can't be sure that what the gospels quote are the actual words of Jesus. But we know that when quoting a passage that contained the name YHWH he is said to have used 'Kyrios' just like the LXX does. Furthermore we see the LXX quoted all over the new testament. Early Christianity did not take LXX as a joke.

When Jesus said 'I Am' he was quoting LXX too. The fact that he knew what the passage said in Hebrew has no bearing on what we are discussing. The fact is that Jesus was making a point based on the LXX reading which he knew that all his readers who also read LXX would understand.
Or perhaps I should say that the writer of John's gospel read LXX and knew that his readers too read the LXX and the point he was trying to make was based on that LXX version, as much else in Christianity is based on the LXX.

Again, no one can seriously dismiss the LXX and still seriously consider themselves a christian.

On red is your word, you can't decide who Yahweh approves only Yahweh can. Hence, your above statement does not define who Yahweh has chosen neither can you reward anybody with everlasting life.

Seekers of truth are content with standing with the truth and not depending on human approval. Such statement led to killing people in the past in the name of inquisition.

christiansister:
That's why the Holy Spirit is called our Ever-present help in times of need. You cannot lose Him, He cannot lose you. He will only act when you ask Him to.

Do you actually understand what the OP was talking about?

PastorAIO:
And you have now joined him in the cursing.

That was meant to be a Joke in the pass.

No more cursing. Apologies.

PastorAIO:
Thank you so much for drawing my attention to this other instance of Jesus quoting from the Septuagint.

So the question you should ask is: Why did Jesus not use YHWH when he was quoting that scripture?


The answer is: Because Jesus was quoting it from the Septuagint which always translated YHWH as Kyrios, meaning Lord in Greek.

It is obvious that Jesus (or the writer of Matthew) read the Septuagint because he makes the same translation of YHWH to Kyrios. Jesus never says YHWH as in the Hebrew bible, but says Kyrios as in the Septuagint.

See how you are talking like a kid. How can the translators in a time they have refused to make use of the name of Yahweh agree to use it in Greek?

That it was not written Greek in no way implies that what they wrote in actual is the exact words Jesus had used.

But we know that he quoted a statement that contained the name of Yahweh in Deut 8:3.

And again, Jesus Christ did not need to depend on the Septuagint to know what was written in the original Hebrew manuscript.

OneJ:
"Hecedh" also spelt. "checedh" ,the exact Hebrew word there meaning loving kindness. It is synonymous or equivalent to mercy ,goodness, kindness or brotherly love.
In Hebrew "ehyeh asher ehyeh" means. " I will become what/who I will become" ( Exodus 3:14 ). "Ego himi ho on " is not the Greek equivalent for Hebrew's ehyeh asher ehyeh. Stop being dishonest,Oga Pastor. White can never be black. pls Stick to the bitter truth.

Pastor AIO wants to come speak Greek with me and JMan05.

Him been dey jump up for this thread like sa him be Boxer wey want fight for ring. Local lying champion like him. Fake pastor aio. Now i know why @Enigma was always cursing you. Oloshi!

OneJ:
LIES &FALSEHOOD!
All these your long epistle are half hearted measures at best. Where & when did Jesus "quotes extensively from the Greek translation"?
Rather, Jesus extensively quoted the Hebrew scriptures for instance, in Matt4:4 he quoted Deut8:3. In John 10:34 he quoted Psalms 82:6 etc. He never twisted the word of God unlike U guys that gave endorsed the falsified the word.
Contrary to your claim, those who disagree with the Greek translation of the corrupted "I am" inserted into Hebrew are far more honest than the multitude who accepted the fallacy U have been putting up excuses to defend.
Today, there are multiple extant manuscripts far older than the Septuagint & as a result the falsified insertion of "I am" & other errors has been exposed. Pride ,ego & arrogance wey una get no go let una accept the truth.
God can never lie ( Hebrew 6:18. John17:17). Neither does HE accept Jewish fable & myths ("I am" that His word condemned in very strong terms ( Titus 1:13,14. 2Thess1:9-11. Rom1:25).
PastorA10, believe what U wanna believe.. but at your own risk.
Nairalanders, following this thread,as U can see (& going by what has been confirmed by Pastor A10) , the fact. is that the Trinity fallacy is built on the falsified insertion of the term "I am" (not a Hebrew word ) into Hebrew Old testament of the Greek Septuagint.
Statement of fact:Trinity is a man made fallacy, not taught by Jesus Christ or his followers, except U wanna twist the Bible to get your answer b4 the question.
PastorA10, thanks for your time. I'm done with U. Shalom.

You see your life? When you were asking Jman to speak Greek, You never imagined that Moses spoke Hebrew language and that they both never originally used the same word for I AM, you were pushing it as though Moses and Jesus used the same exact word.

Your lying ability or na ignorance has phd. Oloshi!

PastorAIO:
Did you realise that the language spoken by Jews in Palestine at the time of Jesus was in fact Aramaic and not Hebrew.

O keep silent!

Was the temple in Jerusalem not in existence as of then? Were there no copies of the original Hebrew scriptures? Were the Jews and Kings of Israel not consistently ask to make copies of the Law and other part of the OT?

Stop the lies.

PastorAIO:
And with these words you have just attacked the entire basis of Christianity and even the words of Jesus himself.

All the quotations of the OT that the apostles make are from the Septuagint. Even when Jesus quotes the OT he quotes the Septuagint to if you think that the Septuagint is 'Unacceptable' then you obviously consider Jesus to be false and unacceptable too and Peter and Paul and all the apostles that quote extensively from the Septuagint.

You've just attacked the very premises of Christianity just to protect your vile evil pedophilic cult.

Choi! This guy Harsh

OneJ:
In your own words, "the early Christians & most Jews around the time of Christ did not read the Bible in Hebrew & hadn't read it in Hebrew for about 300 years"
If we are to believe the trash U typed above, the Jews them done forget Hebrew & bury their language finish sotay them no dey speak am & even read Hebrew Torah scroll for their synagogues again
(If na only Septuagint dey at that time, So, U mean say them troway all the Hebrew scrolls wey them take write the Septuagint too !!!! Hahahahaaaa. )
Also, since them no dey read or speak Hebrew for their homes & inside synagogue, " for over 300years" , them no know say "I am" no dey Hebrew language... (Oga Pastor, fafafa foul.. this your lie na ogidigan.. Hhmmmm! ).
Oga Pastor said "it doesn't matter whether this (Septuagint ) is an accurate translation or not for the student of Christianity..... & that is what they built their theology on".
For example, if U wrote a book in Yoruba & U gave permission to a Greek translator to publish a Greek version of your book. After the work is done, U later found out that in chapter 3 ,the content & meaning is very different & contradicts your original book, would U accept that & praise the work & recommend it to the general public ?
Any deviation from the Hebrew texts (the original source) ,God says it's Unacceptable.1Thes5:20,21. Rev22:18,19
Nairalanders, PastorA10 doesn't mind to propagate the theology built on falsehood & man made fallacy (trinity).
Indeed, by their fruits ye shall know them (Matt7:15-20) who deny that Jesus is the son of God. Even though God revealed that Jesus is the son of the Living God (Matt16:13-17. 1John4:15. 5:10) but them say na lie.

So, the language that Moses used in the Exod and the burning bush and all was greek because of the Septuagint

Now i understood why you wanted to speak greek with me.

PastorAIO:
Let me clear it up for other readers. I know that this OneJ guy is a lost cause given over to deceit and won't listen to this history.


The early Christians and most Jews around the time of Jesus did not read the bible in Hebrew and hadn't read it in Hebrew for about 300 years.
You see, around the 3th century BCE the Hebrew bible was translated into Greek and this translation was called the Septuagint. Google Septuagint.

The early christians wrote the new testament in Greek and when they made reference to the Old testament they clearly made reference to the greek version of the old testament, the Septuagint.

So in order to know how the early christians understood Exodus 3:14 we have to look at the Septuagint version which is the version that they read and not the Hebrew version. So while the Hebrew language may not have obvious ways of expressing the present tense the Greek of the septuagint did so very clearly.

How does the Septuagint translate Ehyer Asher Ehyer? They translate it as: Ego Eimi ho on.

Yes that's right, the Earliest christians and possibly even Jesus himself read the septuagint and read Exodus 3:14 as Ego Eimi which is the Present Tense in Greek for 'To Be'. In other words: I Am


It doesn't matter whether this is an accurate translation or not for the student of Christianity. The important thing is that that is what the Christians read and accepted. And that is what they built their theology on.

Many Jews to this day still argue that Christianity is based on a mistranslation of the Hebrew bible. Another passage they like to critize is in Isaiah. Isaiah 7:14. .... And a Virgin shall conceive.

The actual Hebrew word that is used there is Almah. "An Almah shall conceive".

In actual fact 'Almah' is simply Hebrew for a Young woman. The real hebrew word for Virgin is Betulah.

However the Septuagint translated Almah into Greek as Virgin and that is where the christian doctrine of the virgin birth originated from because the Christian all read the Septuagint. Throughout the New Testament when they talk of the scriptures it is the Septuagint that they quote from consistently.





So the Conclusion:

All mister OneJ 's barking about the original hebrew is just a display of his lack of knowledge of Christianity, especially early christianity.

Early Christianity is based on the Septuagint which is a Greek manuscript and in the Septuagint Exodus 3:14 is translated as Ego Eimi Ho On. Which is totally present tense.




Mister OneJ would you like to try another move? I'm quite enjoying rebuffing your desperate attempts.

So, the language that Moses used in the Exod and the burning bush and all was greek because of the Septuagint

PastorAIO:
Let me clear it up for other readers. I know that this OneJ guy is a lost cause given over to deceit and won't listen to this history.


The early Christians and most Jews around the time of Jesus did not read the bible in Hebrew and hadn't read it in Hebrew for about 300 years.
You see, around the 3th century BCE the Hebrew bible was translated into Greek and this translation was called the Septuagint. Google Septuagint.

The early christians wrote the new testament in Greek and when they made reference to the Old testament they clearly made reference to the greek version of the old testament, the Septuagint.

So in order to know how the early christians understood Exodus 3:14 we have to look at the Septuagint version which is the version that they read and not the Hebrew version. So while the Hebrew language may not have obvious ways of expressing the present tense the Greek of the septuagint did so very clearly.

How does the Septuagint translate Ehyer Asher Ehyer? They translate it as: Ego Eimi ho on.

Yes that's right, the Earliest christians and possibly even Jesus himself read the septuagint and read Exodus 3:14 as Ego Eimi which is the Present Tense in Greek for 'To Be'. In other words: I Am


It doesn't matter whether this is an accurate translation or not for the student of Christianity. The important thing is that that is what the Christians read and accepted. And that is what they built their theology on.

Many Jews to this day still argue that Christianity is based on a mistranslation of the Hebrew bible. Another passage they like to critize is in Isaiah. Isaiah 7:14. .... And a Virgin shall conceive.

The actual Hebrew word that is used there is Almah. "An Almah shall conceive".

In actual fact 'Almah' is simply Hebrew for a Young woman. The real hebrew word for Virgin is Betulah.

However the Septuagint translated Almah into Greek as Virgin and that is where the christian doctrine of the virgin birth originated from because the Christian all read the Septuagint. Throughout the New Testament when they talk of the scriptures it is the Septuagint that they quote from consistently.





So the Conclusion:

All mister OneJ 's barking about the original hebrew is just a display of his lack of knowledge of Christianity, especially early christianity.

Early Christianity is based on the Septuagint which is a Greek manuscript and in the Septuagint Exodus 3:14 is translated as Ego Eimi Ho On. Which is totally present tense.




Mister OneJ would you like to try another move? I'm quite enjoying rebuffing your desperate attempts.

OneJ:
In addition, followers of Christ & even the Jews themselves never said " I am that I am". It's not Hebrew language.
The actual,authentic Hebrew phrase they say (even till today) is "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh" translated to English thus :" I shall become (prove to be) what I shall become (prove to be).
Na fake slogan "I am" wey no dey Hebrew language naim una take dey defend fallacy.
In conclusion, your Trinity is a man made fallacy. Take it or leave it.