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frosbel2:
Hi Goshen,

Please show us the scriptures from the old testament that support these new testament passages , please they have to be specific matches.

Thanks.

Goshen360:
Hey brother!

Longest time. This one wey you call me like this, you wan give me big assignment be this o....lol.

Anyway, we, as students of the word have to find an explanation to scriptures flying around in the thread. Its a lots of work to be done. I have seen and read scriptures quoted by Frosbel but how do we explain scriptures like:

New Living Translation
I passed on to you what was most important and what had also been passed on to me. Christ died for our sins, just as the Scriptures said.
1 Corinthians 15:3

Hebrews 9:28
so also Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many; and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await Him.

It's so busy for me because I work 2 jobs and I'm try hard to find time to come here and explain things in details. However, I'll see what I will do and go over the thread from beginning.

frosbel2:
So my question is simple if God requires blood to forgive our SINs, why was he able to forgive sins without BLOOD in the ancient days up to the arrival of Jesus?

Consider the following bible verses;

"If, however, they cannot afford two doves or two young pigeons, they are to bring as an offering for their sin a tenth of an ephah of the finest flour for a sin offering. They must not put olive oil or incense on it because it is a sin offering " - Leviticus 5:11


We see that God accepted flour as a sin offering in this verse, no blood required - why?

"I have no pleasure in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats......Stop bringing meaningless offerings!...even when you offer many prayers, I am not listening. Your hands are full of blood!......Wash and make yourselves clean. Take your evil deeds out of my sight; stop doing wrong " - Isaiah 1:11-17

Here God is tired of all the vague, fake and meaningless offerings, he wants REPENTANCE and then he will forgive, case closed. NO BLOOD required.

"Come now, let us settle the matter," says the LORD. "Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool" - Isaiah 1:18

God forgives as long as we stop doing wrong and repent from your evil ways, again NO BLOOD SACRIFICE require, just plain repentance.


"I have swept away your offenses like a cloud, your sins like the morning mist. Return to me, for I have redeemed you." - Isaiah 44:22

Here again, God forgives, NO BLOOD required.


Read Jonah 3 where God did not destroy Nineveh because the people repented. I can quote much more bible verses.

So answer my questions

1. Why does God need a man to forgive sins
2. Assuming God became a man, why did he become a man to forgive sins when he had been forgiving the sins of thousands prior to this period.
3. If we need the blood of Jesus to be redeemed and saved, where does that leave the thousands of righteousness ones who died before Jesus appeared
4. Why did it take over 1,500 years for the news about Jesus to reach sub-Saharan African if it was that important?

I need answers

frosbel2:
"Parents must not be put to death for the sins of their children, nor children for the sins of their parents. Those deserving to die must be put to death for their own crimes." - Deuteronomy 24:16

"In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge" - Jeremiah 31:29-30

" So Moses went back to the Lord and said, “Oh, what a great sin these people have committed! They have made themselves gods of gold. But now, please forgive their sin—but if not, then blot me out of the book you have written.” The Lord replied to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book. Now go, lead the people to the place I spoke of, and my angel will go before you. However, when the time comes for me to punish, I will punish them for their sin.” - Exodus 32:31-34

No man can by any means redeem his brother Or give to God a ransom for him -Psalm 49:7

In the light of the scriptures above , God has consistently all over the bible said that NO MAN can die for the sins of another MAN. so how come many of us believe that Jesus died for our sins, is this not massively CONTRADICTORY ??

OLAADEGBU:
I can see that you are progressing in the opposite direction.

DeepSight:
Use your hands to touch your physical head. Touch it all round - from the back of your head, to your ears, to the top of your head, then to your temples, feel your eyes, nose, lips and chin. Circle the jaws and back to the back of your head.

What have you just touched and groped?

A Visor.
A helmet-like instrument designed to help the being within perceive its outer physical world.
This object will be taken off at death along with the rest of the instrument - the body: and the real being will exist in its real transcendental reality.

This is virtual reality. A simulated game we enter into at birth and be done with at death. Nothing you see in this world is real. It's all a simulation which we will step out of at death.

Lady39:
Hi,

John 1: 1,3 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
There is God's authority to "heal" or "not heal" a person's sickness regardless of his/her faith. God knows best....His perfect will.

Romans 8:28 "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God to them that are called according to His purpose."
Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

I could give more scripture verses, but I stop at those three/four for now. I don't even know if Bishop Long is actually dying of cancer or not. What I do know is that no one is exempt from the consequences of a sin-ravaged world..whether he/she did something to cause the sickness or whether he/she did not.
Yes...sin is a beast..but beyond that beast is hope for the future for those who give their lives to Jesus..(even if death may have to occur).

Joagbaje:
He's been battling with cancer . We should stop gossip and insinuations over people's lives

MuttleyLaff:
Kaposi sarcoma (KS) is a cancer that develops from the cells that line lymph or blood vessels. It was once an uncommon cancer that mainly affected older men of Mediterranean, Eastern European, or Middle Eastern ancestry, organ transplant patients, or young men in Africa. But in the past few decades, most KS cases in the United States have been linked to HIV infection in men who have sex with men. These cases are called epidemic KS (or AIDS-related KS).

KS is related to a second viral infection. This virus is called human herpesvirus 8 ( HHV-8 ) also known as Kaposi sarcoma-associated herpesvirus (KSHV). HHV-8 does not seem to cause disease in most healthy people. The HHV-8 virus is found in saliva, which may be one of the ways it is passed to others. In the United States, infection with HHV-8 is common among men who have sex with men, but it can also be shared between men and women.

In most cases, epidemic KS causes dark purplish or brownish spots (called lesions) on the skin or in the mouth. KS may also affect the lymph nodes and other organs, such as the digestive tract, lungs, liver, and spleen.

When they are first diagnosed, some people with HIV and KS have no other symptoms, especially if their only lesions are on the skin. But some – even those with no skin lesions – can have other symptoms, such as swollen lymph nodes, unexplained fever, or weight loss. Over time, epidemic KS spreads throughout the body. If KS involves a lot of the lung or intestine, it can be fatal.

To learn more about this type of cancer, see our document Kaposi Sarcoma.

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/infectiousagents/hivinfectionandaids/hiv-infection-and-aids-hiv-aids-and-cancer

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/kaposisarcoma/detailedguide/kaposi-sarcoma-what-is-kaposi-sarcoma


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLwWFdporfw
Technically its cancer, just like Clinton's infamous line ''I did not have sexual relations with that woman''
Love the various pop ups in this video,
they keep popping up at the right moment, as he comes out with an official but sanitised version of the situation

truthislight:
Have they verified that he is not on retroviral drugs?

Retro drugs have a way of eating off ones health due to the multiple organs that suffers along the way of fighting the viruses.

Anyway, if it is Such, they would not come open due to the hanging accusation of Homosexuality.

butterflylion:
Pls sir, ignore that JW.

Joagbaje:
I believe he's working on his faith . Its between him his faith and his walk with God.

Lady39:
Faith is not based on the outcome, but rather on God's ability. Just because a person exercises faith in God to do something specific, doesn't mean that God will deliver him/her in the very way that the person is praying & believing in faith for. That's why Christians pray, "if it is your will Lord". Yes..it's definitely God's will that all humans will "prosper & be in good health" however we live in a sin-ravaged world..& oftentimes "bad" things happen to "good" people. No one is immune from the results of sin.
Only God can answer a prayer in His perfect will...

Joagbaje:
He's been battling with cancer . We should stop gossip and insinuations over people's lives

frosbel2:
In Christianity you are saved by grace through faith . As part of the elect it is impossible for you to be damned because God has predestined that it be so.

Good behaviour is not paramount to salvation, just Faith in Jesus , his death and resurrection.

So keep sinning, right up to the grave and Jesus will forgive you no matter how cruel and evil , no matter how depraved and immoral, and no matter how filthy and wicked you are. Its not about behaviour remember, its about faith in the finished work of the cross.

Therefore , all non-Christian well behaved people are going to be damned for ever because they had no faith in Jesus , to hell with their good behaviour who cares anyway.

How convenient Christianity is I would say.

frosbel2:
Okay, before I proceed to explain what I mean by inerrant , can you kindly confirm which scriptures Apostle Paul was referring to when he made the following comment :
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness "- 2 Timothy 3:16

PastorAIO:
The following is from Hamlet, a play by William Shakespeare in which he puts into the mouth of a character called Polonius these words of advice. Polonius is talking to his son Laertes who is travelling abroad. What he tells him is also applicable to all young men who travel abroad till this day.

Look thou character. Give thy thoughts no tongue, 545
Nor any unproportion'd thought his act.
Be thou familiar, but by no means vulgar:
Those friends thou hast, and their adoption tried,
Grapple them unto thy soul with hoops of steel;
But do not dull thy palm with entertainment 550
Of each new-hatch'd, unfledg'd comrade. Beware
Of entrance to a quarrel; but being in,
Bear't that th' opposed may beware of thee.
Give every man thine ear, but few thy voice;
Take each man's censure, but reserve thy judgment. 555
Costly thy habit as thy purse can buy,
But not express'd in fancy; rich, not gaudy;
For the apparel oft proclaims the man,
And they in France of the best rank and station
Are most select and generous, chief in that. 560
Neither a borrower nor a lender be;
For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.
This above all- to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day, 565
Thou canst not then be false to any man.
Farewell.

In case you are having difficulty with the english it can be translated as this:

Watch your character. it's not everything you think that you must say.
It is not everything you think you must act on.
Be friendly with everyone but not common. Those good friends you make
Hold them tight. But it is not every acquaintance that you'll become buddies with.
Try not to get into any fights, but once you find yourself in a fight, make such
an example of the person that no one will want to fight you again.

Listen to advice from everybody, but, you, advice only a few.
Cut your coat according to your size. Don't be flashy in clothes.
People will judge you by your clothes. Especially french people.
Don't borrow money and don't lend. borrowed money often disappears
along with the friehdship.
Be true to yourself.

There is nothing divine inspiration here. This is just the common sense acquired with age. Yet it is applicable till today.

Se you get my meaning.

Paul's advise may be useful but that doesn't make it of divine authority.

PastorAIO:
No he didn't! Haba!!

Where did you even see divine in the passage?

PastorAIO:
First point. I don't think Peter wrote that letter called 2Peter. That is not really important but if you want to go into it as a separate issue then start by reading the whole of that chapter that you quoted. It is basically about the return of Jesus. Then return to verse 3 and read:

scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. 4 They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.”



Then ask yourself who were these fathers that had fallen asleep. remember that Peter died in 64AD about 30 years after christ. St. James the head of the church in Jerusalem is said to have died in 62AD. Who were the fathers that had died leaving the christians open to mockery that instead of Jesus returning things are continuing as normal and people are dying off.


But to continue with the main point:

'According to the wisdom given to him' has nothing to do with divine inspiration. Have you too not been given wisdom? Does everybody not act according to the wisdom that is given to them?

Paul wrote letters according to his own understanding (according to the wisdom given to him).

plaetton:
Lol.
Yes indeed. We must maintain continual vigilance of Deepsight and his WORD SORCERY.

PastorAIO:
This is not a claim for divine authority. He does not claim that it comes from the spirit but says he THINKS (he has the opinion) that he has the spirit.

There is no way that you can make 'NOT FROM THE LORD' into anything other than what it says.

If I say, 'I haven't heard from TruthisLight, but I think He is waiting for the second coming of Mohammed, and I certainly think he would agree with me.' There is no way you can take that to mean that I authoritatively know that Truthislight is wait for the return of Mohammad.

PastorAIO:
Leaving aside the question of authenticity in the letters of paul, I don't believe that when Paul was writing his various letters that he thought that he was writing scriptures. You write letters. I write letters. I write letters admonishing and advising people. So do many people write such letters.

To have the Holy Spirit and to write letters does not make the letter a special divine scripture from God.