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Boomark:
Am doing good bro and you?

Bro, this free!cocoa girl, was she an atheist all these while? Some comments just dey surprise me. It seems believers of hell fire, etc are now embracing atheism. Have been reading the topic: Pastor to atheist.

I can't readily place the person you mentioned though.

However, most people that just started claiming Christianity without first studying the Bible always stand the chance of having their bubbles busted since they were never on solid foundation based on the truth consistent with the whole Bible.

And when such happens, disillusionment sets in big time, and the way they will react is highly unpredictable since it can shake one to its foundation.

To some, lost of rational reason to hang on to anything for that time being make them subscribed to virtually anything they feel is justifiably unexplainable to console themselves.

Most that turned to denial or atheism, and are honest and realist, do normally come round to research the Bible without biases and sentiments.

From hence, anything do happen.

Believing in 'Hell fire' is one of such believe that people accept owing to not doing due diligence in the study of the Bible.

Well done.

Peace.

Boomark:
Wow! good to know new comers are now getting the gist. It was tug of war before you arrived.

How are you doing?

Long time man I hope you are doing well.

MrMarvelous:
I'm sure your lord despises liars. Creation is paraded as actual science.

http://www.creationism.org/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_science

You just keep on equating me with whatever is out there that every Tom dick and Harry does or says. Please don't!

I don't follow the crowd and certainly not following conventional conventions.

My idea of creation is strictly limited to what the Bible says.

Peace.

MrMarvelous:
Now what are the products of creationism?

Now, this approach is more reasonable and and commendable

True, Your question is welcome since we were comparing that the two are an act based on faith.

However, unlike Evolution touted to be a scientific based research, Creation is not, hence, it adherents are not expected to research and come up with anything like 'real' science does. Rather, they show faith.

If you don't tell me that evolution is scientific research, I won't expect you to act the way other scientific based endeavors perform.

In truth, I have not produced anything as a result of my indulging in my faith as a creationists, if for anything, my little output has been in my indulging in real scientific based knowledge study and research.

Peace.

MrMarvelous:
You are a clown. The antibiotics you use is based on what? Education is basically free now. A simple Google search would show you the benefits of evolution...the evidence as well. stop looking for free lessons young man.
But hey I'll help you...it has application in Agriculture, Drugs, Cancer Research etc.
http://www.evolutionary-research.net/science/intro/why-evolution-matters

Because of your wicked heart and mind you even failed to comprehend my post but true to kind, resorted to low life.

To you, every bus passing on the road evolved from Evolution. You see Evolution in everything, why not? is that not how you came to accept it in the first place?

Why should I concerned with indecency ingrinded in you? Nope!

keep indulging!

Bandeco:
Lolzzz..
Because of lack of argument he throws some more things he thinks disprove evolution. Which all can be explain by evolution.

Apparently You have no rebuttals again to what I wrote in my last post.

Shalom!!

No, The argument for evolution using DNA and the sort is not convincing at all. DNA and finger print are different faces of the same coin.

They are both unique to an individual.

Why would you use one and not the other?

That is why I saw the whole thing as grasping.

MrMarvelous:
Because you somehow believe atheism has anything to do with the big bang and TOE...it doesn't. I have corrected that erroneous position. If you have a problem with science, take it up with science...don't embarrass your deity by dragging it into science. That's a war you'll lose. My work here is done.

Having problems with science? Nope! I don't.

Evolution as 'real' science? sure?

Can we see the evolutionary Laboratory fill with thermometer, Pipettes, microscope, Oscilloscope churning out products?

Yap! from hence iPhone 7 was produced, No?

I mean, 'real' science science have given us products like Cars, Airplanes, Internet, Electronics, Advancement in medical pharmacy, Astronomical facts, Aerodynamics, Aeronautics, foods. etc.

Name one product from Evolution, one beneficial product of evolution and I will give you a litany of products produced by 'real' scientific achievement.

Evolution, mental Philosophy. No? Can you show empirical evidence then?

I don't have any problems with 'real' scientific Advancement and achievements, how can I? The device am using right now to communicate with you, is it not a product of real science? See how beneficial 'real' science can be?

What 'real' science starts by arriving at conclusions be for starting out to look for evidence?

Error! thinking this is a query on 'real' science.

jonbellion:
lol whaaa You asked for evidence No I did not witness it

OK, thank you.

jonbellion:
Nawa for you oo mr man
Lemme just simplify it
-the universe is expanding which means it started at a point
-the Cosmic Microwave background- the thermal radiation left from the really expansion of the universe
The CMB is scattered all over the universe
-Red shift of light
-the abundance of elements in the universe as predicted by the theory
PS: The big bang is NOT an explosion
You can read more if you want to know
If you still don't understand after that then go and purchase the big bang theory series and listen to the theme song

I did not ask for an explanation for BigBang, I simply asked if he saw BigBang.

See how you saw an opportunity to show how intelligent you are and you pounds on it thereby missing the whole essence of the question.

That actually demanded for a modest answer, but see you go.

Well, try again:

Did you witness BigBang? Lol.

Watch him go.

Bandeco:
For evolution to occur there must be individual variation. DNA shows all human beings evolved differently. Even Darwin postulate(way before discovery of DNA) individual must varie for evolution to occur by natural selection. So DNA is in favour of evolution not against it.

You know what? DNA is way more than individual variations. If you examine the DNA of all species, you will see that we all related. It is just like a family tree with branches. Our closest living relative are the chimpanzee base on the similarity (98.4pc) of our DNA to theirs . In fact the chimps are more closely related to us than they are to gorillas and monkeys. This shows living things evolved and diversify from a common ancestor


Exactly. We evolved differently. Way before the discovery of DNA, Darwin postulated that there must be individual variation for evolution to occur by means of natural selection.


It wouldnt. Our physical differences can be explained by way of adaptation base on the environment. Humans as we all know originated from Africa. It was when early homo sapiens left to Europe that their gene mutilated for white skin to adapt to their environment.


You have a mind of your own. Use it to see the evidence. Believing a god did ity doesn't show a good sense of rational mind.



Big bang is just an hypothesis in trying to explain the origin of the universe. We don't have a definitive conclusion on the veracity of BigBang. This does not mean we won't in future. The unknowns of yesterday have become the knowns of today. The unknown of today will surely be the knowns of tomorrow. folding our arms and say oh we shouldnt investigate because a book said a god did it will be a ludicrous position. Science does not operate that way. Because if it does, all advancement humanity has made so far would have been a mirage.

Big bang is (origin of the universe ), evolution is (origin of species). Two different phenomena . One has become almost conclusively factual, the other(bigbang) is still under serious investigation. So I don't understand what you meant by saying " I seem to discuss other notion of evolution except big bang" . I wonder when big bang has a become a" notion" of evolution

Looks like grasping at anything to me.

If DNA support evolution, what do we say of hereditary and family lineage?

Next, it will be finger print supporting evolution.

Peace

MrMarvelous:
I'm back. Ignorance is a disease, if you're old enough to use the Internet then you should be old enough to read. The Big Bang was first propounded by a catholic priest, "my kind" has nothing to do with the big bang. And it's a shame you don't know that even theists accept the big bang and the theory of evolution. Accepting science has nothing to do with atheism/theism...there's nothing wrong with accepting the TOE and/or The Big Bang and still believe in a deity.
And on a personal note, please work on your low self-esteem. Those are not big grammar, they are basic fallacies in Philosophy.

Lol.

I guess as much.

The inability to patiently Marshall out ones points lead most to bamboozled with High sounding words to conceal and or cover an apparent inadequacies. Some with the intention to intimidate.

Keep indulging.

What has the question if you saw BigBang to do with all you posted?

What has it to do with whether it is an atheistic or theist world view?

SMH.

Bandeco:
You missed it. I am not sure if the argument is whether gravity is related to evolution or not.

Seems you misread that section.. You posited that evolution is just a theory. I was just explaining what a theory is within the definition of science bringing the theory of gravity as an example. Theory of gravity doesn't makes it a guess. It is real.. Theory is a scientific explanation base on real life phenomenon, facts, observations which can never be proven false. Just like the Heliocentric theory(the theory that the sun is the center of the solar system and the earth revolves around it.). This is a fact and it has become a theory because it has been fully explain and No one will be able to disprove that

Perhaps you should research what a theory means in the context of science


Wrong wrong. Evolution is here. Your DNA on relations to the DNA of other species points to evolution.
Vestigial characteristics and organs within your body points to evolution. Bacteria evolves to possess resistance to some of our antibiotics that hitherto annihilate them. . This is natural selection for you.

you don't see how the earth revolves around the sun but you agree with the theory....Why Then do you have aversion for evolution?


Wonderful. .. So unless something is directly observed it cannot be revealed to be true. Do you see that the earth is spherical and rotates? Science is there to explain natural phenomenon by observable evidence. This was the attempt of religion which led our ancestors to conjure up gods in their primitive view of our world and our place in it.


This is a lame argument.


And you still don't see the pile of evidence today for evolution? You don't see evidence when some section of christendom have come to embrace the facts of evolution but still maintained that God was behind it. An example is the bishop of Canterbury and the church of England. There are more than enough fossil records gather over the years already supports evolution.

And who told you fossils are the only evidence for evolution. There are also DNA similarity among species , vestigial characteristics, similarity of embryos etc


Wrong. Evidence for evolution overwhelmingly compelling its almost unanimously regarded as a fact. It will do u good and your god good if u take out time to research on evolution. Science just tells you what is true. It doesn't seek to disprove religion. Perhaps if you have any evidence to disprove evolution bring forth and win yourself a noble prize. Because this will change the course of biological - science

Evidence on the other end(gods did it) is next to zero.

Those things you picked out as evidence for evolution, things like DNA etc, aren't those lame? I mean, those are fixtures that makes us different one from the other.

if you pick DNA as evidence for evolution, are you then insinuating that drivers races of mankind, better still different persons evolved individually since they have differences in their DNA?

Such sort of evidence is similar to taking the varieties in human faces and looks to justify evolution of man. That will be awkward would it not?

I am not towing a line just because Christian Dom does so. I have a mind of my own.

BigBang happened according to your, Billions of years ago, BigBang is not here and now. Gravity is ongoing here and now with humans present, hence, gravity can be studied, a factor that is impossible in BigBang, hence, a believe in BigBang is but a conjecture. A believe in BigBang is a gigantic act of faith.

You seem at ease discussing other notion of evolution except BigBang, well, think of the OP analogy in relation to BigBang and creation of things, they both happened in the absence of human according to it adherents.

^^^^
Care to show us evidence for BigBang?

Lennycool:
Just because something hasn't been seen doesn't mean it requires faith. Evidence isn't just in seeing alone as even the eye can be deceived.
We can't see gravity but it exist, because all evidence points to it.
You can say I have faith in the scientific process that establishes things as facts.
But as long as there is evidence for evolution it's belief cannot be by faith. If something has evidence then it doesn't require faith.
Biblical Creation has zero evidence supporting it, so it requires faith.

"Evidence" for evolution? SMH.
No need to comment on the above, I will let you be in that wallowing.

As for not seeing gravity but believing, it is not same since gravity is still here and now.

BigBang? is it still ongoing like gravity? Nope!

You actually need a supper bigger faith to believe in BigBang of Billions and billions of years.

I sure don't have a faith as large as yours to believe in BigBang of Billions of Billions of years.

Bandeco:
Kindergarten postulations.

Is the above the argument that brought You here? Is that all the argument you brought to the table?

Ok, well then, we now know how your mind works.


Peace.

Bandeco:
As a detective do I have to witness a crime before unraveling the perpetrators?
If I was in the bedroom room upstairs and I hear my door open and close, later came down to the parlor and saw my wife's handbag and shoes lying beside the door. I can definitively conclude that my wife was the person that came. Even though I didn't witness her coming in. That's the beauty of evidence.


You have a problem with that.? Why do we keep researching hoping to find cure for cancer, HIV etc. If you think our research and enquiry should be momentary then perhaps you wouldn't have been using Internet now. We will still be spending months in the sea traveling to other continent.



The Theory of Evolution is a theory, but guess what? When scientists use the word theory, it has a different meaning to normal everyday use.

In science, a theory is not a guess, not a hunch. It's a well-substantiated, well-supported, well-documented explanation for our observations. It ties together all the facts about something, providing an explanation that fits all the observations and can be used to make predictions. In science, theory is the ultimate goal, the explanation. It's as close to proven as anything in science can be.

. Then there's the theory of gravity, which is an attempt to explain why. Actually, Newton's Theory of Gravity did a pretty good job, but Einstein's Theory of Relativity does a better job of explaining it. These explanations are called theories, and will always be theories.
Just because it's called a theory of gravity, doesn't mean that it's just a guess.

Your example of evolution and gravity are unrelated.

Gravity is here with us but Evolution/BigBang is not here with us. Hence, your beliefs in evolution does not give you the liberty of constant experimentation like in gravity simply because you didn't and have not seen it or witness it.

The not seeing is the criticality of this discussion and the thread.

For my mentioning of fossils, that is me reminding you that evolution was postulated without seeing nor evidence hence the effort ongoing to gather evidence via fossils.

So, both stance are believe in what we have not seen. John1:18.

But the reality around us, using our thinking faculty does not suggest that things Come about by chance.

Lennycool:
Information is only as good as its source. The truth is anyone interested enough can go to see this evidence.
But it requires money time and a lot of know how.
How else can you study the DNA structure of other animals.
Or the anthropological evidence
Or the geographical evidence
What we do is study the result of the findings, without seeing it.
Not to forget that evolution just makes sense.

You study without seeing you say? Yes, that is the argument nothing more. that boh has not been seen. Evolution and creation.

People also study creation and arrived at the conclusion that the complexities did not come by chance.

Both evolution and creation and BigBang have not been seen.

Why let your own unseen believe affects another person's unseen believe?

Lennycool:
Billions of years ke?
Na there una fvck up
Because saying the earth is billions of years and not believe in evolution is crazy.
That would mean humans never changed since they were created. It would mean we've always been this intelligent. Yet that would be strange as we did nothing with this very high intellect, not until about a few thousand years ago.
Why?
How can that be?
This is why creationist need the early earth theory, the alternative is crazier.

Did you read his post be for jumping on your high horse?

He talked about the duration of the earth in Billions of years and not that of human existence.

Is that how you arrived at your beliefs?
learn to pay more attention to details.

jonbellion:
it's tiring honestly.
They argue about something they don't understand

Lol. ^^^

Do you say understand?

No, not understand, but rather, they argue against what they have not seen because you have seen Evolution.

Why understand? When, if it is about understanding, then, those with believe in creation understand what they also believe.

If it is not about seeing evolution, then the Creation issue was not seen just like evolution, we all are to be guided by our thinking ability. both are things unseen.

Faith is defined as believing in things not seen, but believing in it based on the reality.

Does the reality around us suggest every thing or anything came by chance?

.

taurus25:
It is impossible for the earth to have existed for just 6000 years. This alone makes everything written in the bible trash.

Evolution have been withnessed. Yes, you heard right, but disshonest and unelightened people call it micro evolution, even though it follows essentially thesame principle and is not even really differentiated from macroevolution biologically.

Not only this, evolution is backed by overwhelming evidences from past discoveries to very modern day observations.

Evolution happens, whether you like it or not, species didnt all appear magically 6000 years ago.

The Bible no where described the "Creation of the earth", rather, the Bible only said the earth was formless, covered with water. Meaning that the earth was already in existence when the Bible creation account began.

Genesis 1:2.:
2 Now the earth was formless and desolate, and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep, and God’s active force was moving about over the surface of the waters.

The earthly creatures and it's life forms is what the Bible refers to as earth.
Like when the Bible says that the earth is filled with evil, is it referring to the literal soil? No.

If one were to insist that the Bible described the Creation of planet earth in Genesis, the person would have to explain where the water was staying.

we don't have water cum Oxygen in space.

Hence, your assumptive arguments against the Bible is lacking substance and most of us found that irrelevant.

Peace

MrMarvelous:
Classic case of fallacy of equivocation and false dichotomy.

What do you think you have succeeded in saying with all those grammar?

Did you or anyone of your sort witness "bigbag"?

Come here and tell me the one you have witnessed in evolution.

Can you come here and tell me why your sort keep digging the ground hoping to uncover fossil evidence to support your conclusions?

Is Evolution no longer called a theory?

Come back and explain what all those grammar means and why you think you need to use them here and the purpose you think it would serve.

Come back.

Thank you.

Peace.

Ajixegun:
Op what is your problem with tithing? If you don't pay tithe is your own headache and leave those who want to pay
It alone. Ah!

The above post is a typical example of how all this NUT case and greedy fellows are.

They don't care to get the facts on an issue, just what is in their minds they give like they do on Bible issues, they just speak off the top of their head as it suits them.

See him attacking the Op who is a prime tithes advocate on Nairaland without caring about reading the thread first to get the details and facts.
The facts are not important to him, just his lust and greed he wants to project and attacks anybody he perceives as being an obstacle to his Tithe collection.

Replied to this on page 7.

Emusan:
Sorry, you people couldn't resolve anything just normal way of dodging and escape.

Am discussing with you, if your interest is not on this discussion but out of your mind your heart is speaking off of this discussion, i will have no other option than to go out of this discussion with you.

I have discussed with you without hatred nor grudge, please, do the same.

Emusan:
Yes! That even this Son is also living in Heaven with Yahweh.

Was the above under contention? If not, why do you bring it up? I will hope you do not run round without purpose.

Emusan:
No aspect was considered as impossible for Yahweh since The Son actually came and gone.

Ok, So, those are all possible ways right? Yahweh can device any way out of so many ways to use to send his son down to earth.

If you have a particular one that you believe he used Fill us in, feel free to add.

Emusan:
Yahweh can do ALL THINGS as He wills

The above is consoling. Since i believe Yahweh is not limited in anyway, i am content to accept that Yahweh sent his son. If need be, Yahweh can turn any body into an Embryo. nothing limits him. I don't know all about how he does what he does, only what he has reveal to man in his word that i bother my self with. Am not into vodo.

Emusan:
All these won't save you from dodging my point.

Dodge what exactly?

Dodge the details of how Yahweh sent his son to earth?
Seriously! Do you really believe that humans have such details? If no, why ask a human to supply you with them?

Emusan:
All I'm saying is this, the Son of Yahweh is a PERSON and Yahweh said He will send His Son to Earth and your organization said Yahweh ONLY TRANSFERED this Son's life to earth.

What is the reasonableness of the above? Was it his death that would have rather been sent?

Oh! You belief that live can exist without the Body. what is life? How do you have life without a body? When the Life of the dead will be restored, do you think it will mean bringing back something that was alive somewhere and put into the mold called body?

Have you ever really considered the significance of what a person is and what makes a person unique? Nope! i don't think you have.

See, there is a direct correlation between who 'You' Emusen are and your Memory . No matter the semblance, once your memory is lost, try convincing those that know you that you are Emusen and see if they will believe that it is you. Even you, if you have all the memory of the former iPhone transfer to another iPhone of similar model, would you know the difference? All you need is the memory. Humans can do the above. When humans does the above, is the Memory "a live"? Nope.

Do you know what makes a mad man a mad man? no, you don't. Lost of Memory. With his body without the Memory, he is useless.

Lets assumed that Yahweh sent a person that did not have the memory that Jesus had while in heaven, i wonder whether the body or any other thing would have been relevant.

Emusan:
1. Where is the body that this life was removed Since you believe the spiritual beings have a body.

The above question is exposing you as lacking certain knowledge of the bible. I had advise that you make sure of your reply to this post, but you are determined to fall your hand. I will be patience with you for now, but think deeply be for coming out with such question next time.

The bible book of 1 cor 15:44 says that there is a Spiritual Body. That same chapter said there are heavenly body and there are earthly body.

Life remove from a body and sent to earth? how? Can there be existence without a body? Any Bible evidence for such a stance? Show evidence please.

Emusan:
2. Life to you is nothing but an ordinary force, this means Yahweh didn't send anything

Live is a combination of Body and Live force, If you are to understand what moving Jesus means, look at it as moving his Person/existance from heaven into the worm of Mary. this was why i was asking the series of questions above as to which of the ways you think will be impossible to Yahweh. You must know, that, for it to be Who Jesus was, his unique memory must be restored to him, key.
The memory aspect is critical and cardinal in restoring an individual back to live. Irrespective of the body, as long as he has his memory, it is the person.

Jesus without his heavenly experience is no Jesus. An Engineer without his unique memory is no Engineer.

The Particular body an entity has is of no significance, but my memory does. to illustrate:

Assuming i am to get involve in a serious accident and my body and face was badly burnt, and after the surgery, on getting to my wife that has been looking for me, which do you think will make her to know it is me ?

1. I lost my memory and cannot remember her and my kids.
2. I look different, but have all my basic memory of our secrets and details. savings, kids names, marriage proposal details. Love life. etc?

Will the fact that i look same but loose all my memory of her and my family make any difference? NO!

But, even though i look different and keep all my memory intact, she will accept me as her husband still.

Hence, memory is key for resurrection or bringing someone back to live, all Yahweh have to do is to give a body and bring to live and restore the memory to the body > Viola! it is the person.

Hence, the mind/memory determines a person. The Mind. But the mind must exist in a body, be it physical or spirit.

A chimp has similar features like a man, is it a person? Hence, body type is inconsequential, but mind does. Chimps lacks the Mind of a person, hence is not a person. QED.

Emusan:
Is Yahweh Himself not a person save us this please.

Yahweh is a person. He has a mind.

"Wherever there is a mind, there is a person.

Emusan:
Your questions are so baseless, so spare us that and tackle my points.

Is it my points that are baseless or your questions? think well be for you answer.

Peace

paulGrundy:
I am not gay, neither am I Yooguyz, I only operate the paul Grundy monicker. Yooguyz is someone else entirely who claimed he/she? Is gay and who also quotes from www.jwfacts.com.

BERNIMORE is only using the gay stuff to blackmail me, by claiming that i also operate the Yooguyz monicker.

Sharrrap! Stop lying.

You are Yooguyz. And you are Gay, you said so yourself. you have opened a Gay thread in this forum for yourself and other Gay people.

You stink with all this lies.

I have been here from when the account Yooguyz and Paulgrundy was created and they are both same and the same person. Nonsense!

barny95:
1cor 15:21 21 For since death came through a man, resurrection of the dead also comes through a man." Who is that man, you? Lol

Same Corinthians 15:20,21

20 But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep in death. 21 For since death came through a man, resurrection of the dead also comes through a man
...........,,

The ^^ above also shows that Christ was raised by someone. Someone used Christ to set all this up.

So, Jesus Christ was just a medium that God worked.

DoctorAlien:
So this is what Rev. 1:18 is talking about?

So Jehovah is the first to do what and the Last to do what?

You have now seen that Yahweh is also coming, that the Rev 1 was talking interchangeably about Jesus and Yahweh. Yahweh is also coming, hence your Delusion should go to rest now.

Most people read that Revelation 22 partly and drew wrong conclusion, they read the aspect that describes Yahweh as the Alpha and Omega and apply it to Jesus.

this is one of the errors of many so called Christians today that are in a hurry to apply any scripture they sight to support Trinity.

^

DoctorAlien:
barny95,

Who is the "Alpha and Omega" in Rev. 22:13?

Stop exposing your limited knowledge of the Bible.

The alpha and Omega is Yahweh.


The almighty is not of the "root of david" According to the below verses. Don't read half and start shouting.
The almighty is not the "morning star"


You know that place is talking about two persons, the first person is Yahweh, the father then Jesus christ. And they both sent their Angels:

see:

Revelation 22:6-13

"And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done. Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. " (Revelation 22:6-13).
..........:..........

That ^ is talking about Yahweh that sends His angel

After Yahweh sends his Angel, then Jesus sends his angel in subsequent vers 16 below in Revelation 22:16-17:


"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." (Revelation 22:16-17).
..................

The almighty is not of the root of David.

Yahweh is not a morning star.

Mornings Stars are sons of Yahweh.

Peace

DoctorAlien:
barny95,

Who is the "Alpha and Omega" in Rev. 22:13?

See below:

truthislight:
Stop exposing your limited knowledge of the Bible.

The alpha and Omega is Yahweh.


The almighty is not of the "root of david" According to the below verses. Don't read half and start shouting.
The almighty is not the "morning star"


You know that place is talking about two persons, the first person is Yahweh, the father then Jesus christ. And they both sent their Angels:

see:

Revelation 22:6-13

"And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done. Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. " (Revelation 22:6-13).
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That ^ is talking about Yahweh that sends His angel.

Yahweh is the lord God of the Holy prophets.

Hence, after Yahweh sends his Angel, then Jesus sends his angel in subsequent vers 16 below in Revelation 22:16-17:


"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." (Revelation 22:16-17).
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The almighty is not of the root of David.

Yahweh is not a morning star.

Mornings Stars are sons of Yahweh.

Peace

Peacefullove:
where exactly is the Father and Jesus called " one God " ?

No where in the Bible does that exist.

It is only found in the head of Trinitarians.

You have made so many contradictory post on this thread.

DoctorAlien:
Baba that is not an evidence.

Please quote where I said that Jesus is not the true GOD.

Also quote where I admitted that I was lying.

DoctorAlien:
Jesus is One with His Father in character, will and in purpose. There is no difference in anyway between them. The fact that He came to earth was a mutual agreement between Him and His Father. He agreed to be separated from His Father, and to be humiliated and brought low.

You have developed a mental condition even though it is unknown to you.

It takes two people to have a mutual agreement.

you need to see a doctor.

Stop wasting peoples time on this thread.

I think am done with your Craze.