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F00028:
the Roman Catholics bible has 73 books, the protestants' bible has 66 books. the clearest evidence even a child can understand..

With your allegation, allaah still approved and recommended it to Muhammad for consultation.

Read about the corruption of the Quran here:

www.nairaland.com/3073085/missing-verses-quran-proofs

crusadistic:
Simple research you cannot do

I'm I to substantiate your statement for you?

If you are sure of what you are saying, bring your proof here for people to see. I know your statement is untrue, it is the usual taqqiya.

The Jews practice Judaism in the Old Testament. When Jesus came he never condemned the OT because it is a Scripture approved of God, in fact, on many occasions he referred to it in his teachings, despite Jeremiah 8:8, which muslims wrongly interpret. Jesus despite his critism on how the Jewish leaders handled the word of God, he never said their Scripture had been adulterated. He confirmed the genuineness. Till date the Christians make use of the OT because it is the word of God.

After his (Jesus) ascension to heaven, the Disciples took up the Gospel, which was approved by Jesus and rebuked and corrected the Churches where they erred in the Book of Revelations. Till today, Jesus is still communicating with the true Church.

But why is the quran a total departure from the Scriptures before it if it was from the same God of the earlier Scriptures?I know muslims will hide under the slogan "the Bible is corrupted" when in actual fact they have not been able to point out what was corrupted in it and what the original is.

That the Bible is corrupted is an indictment on islamic allaah for making references to it and recommending it to Muhammad:

Quran 10:94
And if thou art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers.

crusadistic:
Then why waste your time using the same bible I know is corrupt against me
And where Jesus ascended to heaven is currently a Mosque

A mosque? You are a classical liar !!!

Do you realize people go to Israel yearly on pilgrimage? No one comes home to tell us there is a mosque on mount Olive.

crusadistic:
Its like you don't know your bible


[b]And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he
that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in
righteousness he doth judge and make war.
[ 12 ] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many
crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he
himself.
[ 13 ] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his
name is called The Word of God.
[ 14 ] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white
horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
[ 15 ] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he
should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron:
and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of
Almighty God.
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[ 19 ] And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their
armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the
horse, and against his army.
[ 20 ] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that
wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that
had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his
image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with
brimstone.
[ 21 ] And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat
upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all
the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Rev.20
[ 1] And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of
the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
[ 2] And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the
Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
[ 3] And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a
seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the
thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be
loosed a little season.
[ 4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was
given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded
for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had
not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received
his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and
reigned with Christ a thousand years.
[ 5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years
were finished. This is the first resurrection.
[ 6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on
such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of
God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
[ 7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be
loosed out of his prison,
[ 8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four
quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to
battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea...........[/b]

Inspite of the bibles confusion,it still agrees much with the Islamic account.

That is talking about Jesus of the Bible who will land on mount Olive in Israel where he left for heaven. He said he would come in the same manner he left. He is not muslim Jesus who is coming to Mecca to pray behind Madih.

How muslim Jesus will come to Saudi Arabia is not known in islam. The question still remains: how is muslims Jesus going to come to Saudi Arabia?

You have no right to use the Bible you claim is corrupt to buttress islam.

Where are the islamists nau?

Abi Isa your prophet no teach you anything?

If Isa didn't say anything in your quran, what do you believe in him?

Where are the islamists nau?

Abi Isa your prophet no teach you anything.

If Isa didn't say anything in your quran, what do you believe in him?

WORDWORLD:
Perfect observation VomeSchakleton.


"WHEN I SAID YOU (TRUTHMAN2012) DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ISLAM YOU THINK IT WAS AN UNDERSTATEMENT"

VomeSchakelton.................he is as IGNORANT as IGNORANCE can be.

"PLEASE STOP ASKING STUPI.D QUESTIONS"

VomeSchakelton ..........................unless you want him to close his account on Nairaland. He is here to ask S.TUPID questions.

"WHILE YOU ARE AT IT READ ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE BEFORE YOU COME AND SHAMELESSLY TRY TO INTERPRET THE QURAN".

VomeSchakelton..................as regards SHAME...........TRUTHMAN2012 has made FAME out of being SHAMELESS. SHAME is his PRIDE there is NOTHING you can do about that.

BUT THEN ITS FUN CHATTING WITH SUCH PEOPLE. THE ALWAYS MAKE ME LAUGH.

No wonder you cannot refute my threads other than the insults you are passing on yourselves. Smh!!!!

VomeSchakleton:
Whether through the siraat, or literally through hell, a believer must pass through hell but just like Abraham, the fire won't hurt a true believer.

This may also just refer to sinners who have repented and have been forgiven, the last part of the verse can support that.

Allah knows best.

When did Abraham pass through fire because he is in heaven now? Why is he not inside hellfire waiting for the Day of Resurrection?

If true believers will not be hurt by fire, where are they inside it?

VomeSchakleton:
So when we don't believe what you want us to believe we're nt believing Allah's word because christians know Allah's word better than all the muslims in the world. You people are just incredibly stuupid aren't you? no offense

What did allaah mean here and what do you believe?

Quran 3:185] Every soul will taste of death. And ye will be paid on the Day of Resurrection only that which ye have fairly earned. Whoso is removed from the Fire and is made to enter paradise, he indeed is triumphant. The life of this world is but comfort of illusion.

annunaki2:
How do you expect them to believe allah's word when allah has already confessed to them that he is the greatest deceiver.

But they believe some of allaah's words. But when it gets to where it matters, they are deceived not to believe him. The only truth in the quran is the fact that muslims are going to hellfire.

Jesus said anyone who doesn't believe Him as Son of God has no life in him/her and is condemned already.

Scholar8200:
When Elijah was to be taken up from Elisha, the latter knew, a large group of the sons of prophets knew.


It is therefore curious if , as muslims claim, Jesus was caught up and NOBODY knew it was Him till about 6 centuries after!!! Not even the closest apostles knew this and were killed for proclaiming His death, burial and resurrection!!! Wouldnt that be cruel?

A very good observation bro.

Why would Jesus be taken to heaven alive without a single witness?

Let's see if any muslims will give us a reasonable answer.

VomeSchakleton:
I guess that's a yes then.

What will you tell allaah when you find yourself in hell, after all, he had told you before but you didn't believe him?

1. Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the Earth (Mat. 5:5).

2. Blessed are the merciful for they shall receive mercy (Mat.5:7).

3. Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called the children of God (Mat. 5:9).

4. The second greatest commandment is to love your neighbour (Mat. 22:36-40).

5. Those who take up a sword will die by the sword (Mat. 26:52).

If Isa is Jesus of the Bible, where did he encourage the muslims to live as above?

Jesus said he would return to the mount of Olives whence he left.
However, Isa will appear in Damascus and will pray behind the Mahdi, the Caliph of Islam. Isa will destroy Christianity, “break crosses”, and kill Christians who are called pigs.
Why would a prophet pray behind someone less than a prophet? Islam is full of deception.

VomeSchakleton:
Still trying to interpret what our Quran says, I'm telling you no Muslim believes that, nor does any prominent islamic scholar interpret it as that and it doesn't matter what you think it says. So what are you trying to do? Do you have mental issues? That's a serious question btw.

And he's asking me if I understand English. Clown!

Seriously?

So muslims don't believe in Quran 3:185, Quran 19:68-72 and the hadith that explains them. It means muslims select what to believe in the words of allaah. What a pity.

Presbulg:
Don't worry continue wallowing in ignorance and denial. I'll say it again. Jesus(pbuh) would deny ever saying people should worship him.

Jesus was worshipped by wise men when he was even a baby.

Jesus was worshipped by many people Bible when he was in the world, which he didn't condemn.

But all of those have nothing to do with the fact that islamic sources confirm that Muhammad and his followers are going to hellfire. Unless you are deceiving yourself, the sources: quran and hadith are clear enough.

VomeSchakleton:
What I can see is a feeble minded person who can't grasp the most straight forward statements. Like I said, this isnt a debate, you may choose to believe whatever your puny brain affords you, stop trying to tell others what they believe. Again, a very simple statement I'm sure you'll fail to understand.

Do you understand English?

The following quranic quote and hadith explain and give the same commentaries I made on quran 19:68-72. Pay a particular attention to statements in red colour:

Quran 3:185] Every soul will taste of death. And ye will be paid on the Day of Resurrection only that which ye have fairly earned. Whoso is removed from the Fire and is made to enter paradise, he indeed is triumphant. The life of this world is but comfort of illusion.
This quranic verse confirms that only on the Day of Resurrection muslims will attempt to cross from hell to heaven.

Muhammad himself will lead the muslims to cross from hell to heaven on the Resurrection Day, when other prophets are already in heaven.


Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 577.
“Then Allah will come to then in a shape they know and will say, ‘I am your Lord.' They will say, '(No doubt) You are our Lord,' and they will follow Him. Then a bridge will be laid over the (Hell) Fire.” Allah's Apostle added, “I will be the first to cross it.And the invocation of the Apostles on that Day, will be, ‘Allahukka Sallim, Sallim (O Allah, save us, save us!),’ and over that bridge there will be hooks similar to the thorns of As Sa'dan (a thorny tree). Didn't you see the thorns of As-Sa'dan?” The companions said, “Yes, O Allah's Apostle.” He added, “So the hooks over that bridge will be like the thorns of As-Sa’dan except that their greatness in size is only known to Allah. These hooks will snatch the people according to their deeds. Some people will be ruined because of their evil deeds, and some will be cut into pieces and fall down in Hell, but will be saved afterwards, when Allah has finished the judgments among His slaves, and intends to take out of the Fire whoever He wishes to take out from among those who used to testify that none had the right to be worshipped but Allah.

“We will order the angels to take them out and the angels will know them by the mark of the traces of prostration (on their foreheads) for Allah banned the fire to consume the traces of prostration on the body of Adam's son. So they will take them out, and by then they would have burnt (as coal), and then water, called Maul Hayat (water of life) will be poured on them, and they will spring out like a seed springs out on the bank of a rainwater stream, and there will remain one man who will be facing the (Hell) Fire and will say, 'O Lord! It's (Hell's) vapor has poisoned and smoked me and its flame has burnt me; please turn my face away from the Fire.' He will keep on invoking Allah till Allah says, 'Perhaps, if I give you what you want, you will ask for another thing?' The man will say, 'No, by Your Power, I will not ask You for anything else.'

“Then Allah will turn his face away from the Fire. The man will say after that, 'O Lord, bring me near the gate of Paradise.' Allah will say (to him), 'Didn't you promise not to ask for anything else? Woe to you, O son of Adam! How treacherous you are!' The man will keep on invoking Allah till Allah will say, 'But if I give you that, you may ask me for something else.' The man will say, 'No, by Your Power. I will not ask for anything else.' He will give Allah his covenant and promise not to ask for anything else after that. So Allah will bring him near to the gate of Paradise, and when he sees what is in it, he will remain silent as long as Allah will, and then he will say, 'O Lord! Let me enter Paradise.' Allah will say, 'Didn't you promise that you would not ask Me for anything other than that? Woe to you, O son of Adam! How treacherous you are!' On that, the man will say, 'O Lord! Do not make me the most wretched of Your creation,' and will keep on invoking Allah till Allah will SMILE and when Allah will SMILE because of him, then He will allow him to enter Paradise, and when he will enter Paradise, he will be addressed, 'Wish from so-and-so.' He will wish till all his wishes will be fulfilled, then Allah will say, ‘All this (i.e. what you have wished for) and as much again therewith are for you.””

Presbulg:
Don't worry wait up until the JD and you'll see for yourself. Be a good guy up until then. My advice for you.

Allahh said he is a 'makr' (a deceiver). He succeeded in deceiving Muhammad and he is in hell now, when other prophets are in heaven.

Friend, don't remain deceived.

orisa37:
I know from the Bible that Muhammad is with the Prophets and Apostles in Heaven and with Anobi Isa.

Even when their own book, the quran says Muhammad is in hell?

Presbulg:
It's gon be so funny on JD when Jesus rejects all you have attributed to him.

You don't know what you are saying. Jesus is communicating with us every moment as he was communicating with the apostles after he had died. He is till doing miracles in his Church today. How will he reject us on judgement day? How will he justify you Islamist who have no dealings with him. Unfortunately, Muhammad you are having dealings with is in hell and if you don't turn back, you will join him there.

JFT24:

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the OP is just making me laugh so uncontrollably.
Just dabbled into hadith and Quran just like that haaa, ure surely hilarious. Subhanalillah
You should post this in joke section, coz u can't be serious with this. How in the world will you just stumble on a piece of statement, you neither see the head nor the tail and you just rush online to post it and start an argument?
hahahahahahaha, just can't stop laughing.
Muslim even Know Jesus 'ISA' (ASW) more than you do. God, You guys referring to Jesus (ASW) as god?? Subhanalillah. You guys are really very funny indeed.
you should guys should kwantinu.
May God guide us to the right path. Amin

Meanwhile, LA ILAHA ILALAH MUHAMMAD RASULULLAHI SALALLAHU ALAYHIM WASALAM



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Nonsense !!!

Explain what the hadith and the quranic verses are saying nau.

Presbulg:
He was talking about the judgment on earth and not the judgement in the kingdom of God.

Was he a judge in the world? Where was his court?

Bobbywallexino:
If you need Manipulation verses from the Bible I can show and you too will laugh. we are having chill wealthier. I want drink a cup of tea, please join me brother.

With what you call manipulation, allaah still recommended it to Muhammad, which means he was okay with it. For the same allaah to still say something is wrong with his own recommendation, it means somebody is deceiving somebody somewhere.

Bobbywallexino:
you are good brother! Bible said there is no scripture that private interpretation. read 2 Petter 1:20 . thanks. Quran talked about those who manipulated the words of God but don't mention any name.

Which word of God did they manipulate? The same words allaah recommended for Muhammad?

Allah told Muhammad to consult the Jews and the Christians if he was in doubt of the revelations he was receiving:

(Quran 10:94).
And if thou art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers.

If the Scripture that was before Muhammad was manipulated, why did allaah recommend it to Muhammad?

4kings:
Google is ur friend.

Why not learn about how the church was integrated with the existing roman traditions.

The onus of proof is upon you for your own statement.

Besides, Jesus never commanded anybody to fight for him. Even when his enemies wanted to arrest him, Peter cut the ear of one of them with sword and Jesus blamed him and miraculously replaced the ear. How would anybody claim he is fighting for the same Jesus? If anybody does that, he is on his own.

VomeSchakleton:
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL (3:185)
Every soul will taste death, and you will only be given your [full] compensation on the Day of Resurrection. So he who is drawn away from the Fire and admitted to Paradise has attained [his desire]. And what is the life of this world except the enjoyment of delusion.

I don't see anything here that my earlier explanation doesn't cover.





Read the above verses without your commentaries, like i said, nothing my earlier explanation doesn't cover.

21-69
We said: O fire, be coolness and peace for Abraham

Sulaiman Ibn Murrah said THAT EVERYONE SHALL ENTER IT (hell). Then he placed his fingers near his ears and said, "I would have remained silent had I not heard the apostle of Allah -pbuh- say, ‘There shall not remain a righteous or sinful person but shall enter hell. To the believer the fire will be cool and pleasant as it was to Abraham to the point that hell will be noisy because the believers are cold. Then Allah will save those who have avoided (evil) and greatly torment the sinners in it.’"


Only an utter slowpoke will find any contradiction here. But like i stated earlier, this isn't about you having to believe what i believe, its about christians understanding what muslims believe even though they may not believe so themselves, I have been a muslim all my life and i can't remember ever meeting a muslim who believed every muslim will suffer in hell, that's just a ridiculous misconception by people like you. It's funny when people like you try to tell me what i believe or interpret the Quran for me.

Can't you see for yourself that the quran is a trash? Verses contradicting other verses. That was what happened when allaah said he was replacing his revelations with better ones(Quran 2:106) deceiving the muslims. For almost every verse of the quran there is the reverse. What a book !!!

When allaah said he is a "makr", a deceiver, do you think he was joking?

Bobbywallexino:
first of all, you shouldn't follow any scholars lecture as we all know that some may make mistakes that can mislead people, they are human being like us. yes it is possible for some Muslims to enter hell before paradise, we have "hasiabu l Arof" meaning those Muslims Fulfill every pillars of Islam e.g, but they commit some bad deed. like adultery, fornication, stealing and all that without seeking for forgiveness or desist from their bad altitude. they will firstly enter hell before paradise. Mind you! Am not against Jesus because, Jesus is a Prophet of God and I believe in all prophets. if you properly follow only the words of mosses and Jesus, you will be properly guided to the right part. but those apostles, introduced their own activities in to the Bible.
look at what Paul said in the Bible, On Hebrew 6:1 let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith towards God.

You sound like one "honeyoiler". I have the feeling you are the one.

You cannot understand Paul's statements because you don't have his Spirit. Despite muslims accusations of Paul, your allaah didn't find any fault in him. Paul had written all he wrote before Muhammad came and yet his allaah didn't mention Paul or any of the apostles having done anything evil. Do muslims have more knowledge than their allaah?

4kings:
Mtcheew, I guess he followed the footstep of the early church fathers(who must have also been inspired) to slaughter harmless people, just because they didn't believe in Jesus.

And jesus, the sun god, while Mary the light bearer = Lucifer.

False assertion. Bring your proof!!!

orisa37:
Muhammad is in Heaven.

Says you.

The quran and hadith you read in the OP say otherwise.

Presbulg:
Jesus won't judge only God(Allah) will. Can't wait tho, when Jesus will tell you he ain't God, has never or will ever be God.

Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son (John 5:22).

naijadeyhia:
Truthmans2012 do not mind these muslims who enjoy defending a Religion built on lies and cruelty. The God I serve is bigger and way more excellent and glorified that the Allah moon god they worship. Let me even show you what God revealed to me in Revelations.

Remember in the Quran Allah charged mulsims to behead all believers in Christ or infidels?

Quran 8.12: "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks (behead them) and smite all their finger-tips off them."


Now compare this with Revelations 20 vs 4

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

God knew about islamic atrocities before it even began and it will be for a purpose.

Islam is the BEAST according to scripture and that Beast is already a candidate of Hell. The image of the beast is muhammad and his idol Allah also known as the moon god.

So Muslim, go ahead, execute, slice and decapitate, for the time is coming when you will suffer eternally in hell while your ‘Nebi Muhammad’ (false prophet Muhammad) will stoop. As the Scriptures say: “Bel bows, Nebo stoops” (Isaiah 46:1). And bow he will from the fear of the Son of God. We fear not your blade, “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” (Matthew 10:28)

The devil thought he was victorious when the lamb of God, Christ, was slain, but the victory was Christ’s and ours. The devil fooled you to believe that Christ was not crucified and you thought yourselves to be smart by filling yourselves with pride saying “we will conquer … and we will dominate …”. Your pride comes from your Allah who is the devil disguised as God and the Magi, as you call them “Majus”, the Shiites shall destroy your idol in Mecca. It is written and so it will be.

God bless you for this exposition bro.

VomeSchakleton:
4. All Muslims Must Go To Hell.

Quran
And not one of you but shall pass over it: it is for thy Lord an ordinance decreed.

This misconception stems from the verse above.

This is in fact true to some extent, because in order to get to heaven every muslim must pass through hell, but not enter it. Rather there's a thin rope over hell every muslim must pass through on the way to heaven known as the siraat. The siraat is a bridge as thin as a spiders web only true believers can go past. when i was a kid, i was told that some would pass through it as fast as a plane, some a car and some a horse but some, the disbelievers and sinners will stagger and eventually fall into the cruel fire below. Theres a sahih hadith that goes which goes

Ibn Jarir reported from `Abdullah that he said concerning Allah’s statement,

﴿وَإِن مِّنكُمْ إِلاَّ وَارِدُهَا﴾

(There is not one of you but will pass over it.) “The bridge over Hell is like the sharp edge of a sword. The first group to cross it will pass like a flash of lightning. The second group will pass like the wind. The third group will pass like the fastest horse. The fourth group will pass like the fastest cow. Then, the rest will pass while the angels will be saying, `O Allah save them, save them.’ ” This narration has supporting narrations similar to it from the Prophet in the Two Sahihs and other collections as well. These narrations have been related by Anas, Abu Sa`id, Abu Hurayrah, Jabir and other Companions, may Allah be pleased with them all.



Theres however another school of thought which believes all muslims will in fact go into hell but like Abraham (AS), the fire will not harm true believer. Remember the story of Ibrahim (AS) when he was thrown into a fire by the idolators and:

Quran 21:69
Allah said, "O fire, be coolness and safety upon Abraham."

Quran 21:70
And they intended for him harm, but We made them the greatest losers.


Bad muslims will however suffer in hell and account for their sins, but as long as they have faith in Allah, they shall not dwell in it forever but not all muslims will be touched by hell as christians tend to stipulate.

Characteristic of allaah, he is never stable, deceiving the unsuspecting. His words are so contradictory.

I wonder why you didn't quote the following verses as well:


[Quran 3:185 Pickthal] Every soul will taste of death. And ye will be paid on the Day of Resurrection only that which ye have fairly earned. Whoso is removed from the Fire and is made to enter paradise, he indeed is triumphant. The life of this world is but comfort of illusion
This shows all muslims will go to hellfire first before some will be removed. The truth is: nobody goes to hellfire and gets out as there is no repentance after death.

Quran 19:68-72

[68] And, by thy Lord, verily We shall assemble them and the devils, then We shall bring them, crouching, around hell.
The muslims and the devils will be put together to suffer the heat of hellfire
[69] Then We shall pluck out from every sect whichever of them was most stubborn in rebellion to the Beneficent.

[70] And surely We are Best Aware of those most worthy to be burned therein.
All muslims are worthy to be burned in hellfire but some are most worthy

[71] There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord.

[72] Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there.
Some muslims will be rescued from hellfire and others left inside there.

All of the above are from the same quran. The book is too contradictory but only the spiritually intelligent people can discover it.