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mavister: Since they are afraid to talk. It means they have nothing to say. (prooven fact).. Let me enlighten these cat-holics a bit.

Question #1 did Jesus forbid repetitive prayer using Rosary Beads?
Answer: Matthew 6:7 NO
"And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. Matthew 6:7

mavister: amazing. Wish someone could clarify me on those questions rather than drifting away from them. Uh!

a: Jehovah's Witnesses.

Almost everyone knows of their aggressive door-to-door proselytizing. The organization they represent, known as the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society (WTB&TS), emphasizes end time prophecy and has falsely predicted the end of the world many times. The WTB&TS exercises rigid control over Jehovah's Witnesses (JWs) and prohibits their participation in such common activities as taking blood transfusions, celebrating birthdays or holidays (including Christmas, Easter, and Mother's Day), voting, flag saluting, and military service. Through these restrictions, the WTB&TS builds a wall of isolation between Jehovah's Witnesses and the rest of society.

JW History

The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society boldly claims to be the only organization God is using today to teach His truth and speak for Him. ' According to the WTB&TS, all non-JWs will be destroyed at Armageddon, an event of divine judgment it threatens is just around the corner. The WT Society prints over 14 million copies of its magazines every week, and has over 4 million Jehovah's Witnesses spreading its doctrines in 200 countries. What follows are some essential facts everyone should know about the history and doctrine of the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Borrowed Beliefs and Doctrines

Charles T. Russell (1852- 1916) founded the JW movement. As a teenager he rejected his Presbyterian roots, joined a more liberal Congregational Church, then left this group as well. He denied the deity of Christ and the biblical teachings on hell and eternal punishment. Russell had no formal Bible training, but borrowed and built upon various teachings that were popular at the time. For example, Adventism influenced his denial of hell, and a splinter Adventist group led by N.H. Barbour aroused his interest in endtime prophecies. From Barbour he borrowed the belief that Christ returned invisibly to the world in 1874, and that 1914 was the year the world would be destroyed and the Millennium would begin.

Fantastic Claims

In 1879 Russell started his own magazine, Zion's Watchtower and Herald of Christ's Presence (now known as The Watchtower), to promote his doctrines. People were drawn to Russell's sensational endtime predictions, and the organization grew.

In spite of his lack of formal training in theology or biblical languages, Russell claimed to be the only one with the truth, and he vigorously condemned all other Christian religions. As a result, ministers of various denominations began exposing Russell's false teachings and questionable character.

Flawed Character

Rev. J.J. Ross published a pamphlet that exposed Russell's false claims and doctrines. He revealed that Russell "never attended the higher schools of learning; knows comparatively nothing of philosophy, systematic or historical theology; and is totally ignorant of the [biblical] languages [i.e. Hebrew and Greek]". Ross concluded that Russell's teaching was "anti-rational, anti-scientific, anti-Biblical, [and] anti-Christian." Russell unsuccessfully tried to stop circulation of this damaging information by suing Rev. Ross for defamatory libel. However, he not only lost the suit, but in the process perjured himself in court when he lied under oath about his knowledge of the Greek language. In the end Russell admitted the statements about himself in the pamphlet were true.5

In 1906 Russell ' s wife successfully sued for divorce because of "his conceit, egotism, domination and improper conduct in relation to other women," and won a settlement of $6,036.  The court severely censured Russell and called his conduct "insulting," "domineering" and "overbearing" to a degree which made life intolerable to a sensitive Christian woman.

In 1913, Russell unsuccessfully sued The Brooklyn Daily Eagle for libel when that paper exposed his fraudulent attempts to sell ordinary wheat at the exorbitant price of $60 a bushel, claiming it was "Miracle Wheat.''

Failed Prophecies

Despite these setbacks, Russell continued to attract people with his fantastic prophetic interpretations and dramatic warnings that Armageddon would strike in 1914. When 1914 came and went, he changed the date to 1915. Russell died in 1916, leaving his followers doubting and disillusioned by his predictive failures. Joseph Franklin Rutherford then took control of the organization.

Prophecy For Profit

Rutherford (1869-1942) also used the threat of Armageddon to intimidate JWs. He published The Finished Mystery, a book which predicted that in 1918 God would destroy churches and millions of their members, and claimed that by 1920 every kingdom would be swallowed up in anarchy. Rutherford taught that the only way to escape the impending judgment and destruction was to join the Watchtower organization.

Fear of Armageddon motivated Witnesses to work hard selling Rutherford's books and other Watchtower Society literature. When the 1918 and 1920 predictions failed, Rutherford set a new date in his book titled Millions Now Living Will Never Die (1920). It taught that the millennium would start in 1925 and that Old Testament saints like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and David would come back to life. The WT Society even built a luxurious Spanish mansion called Beth-Sarim (House of Princes), supposedly to house these patriarchs. In the meantime, however, Rutherford conveniently moved ... into the mansion. He also drove an expensive new car throughout the Great Depression, while rank and file JWs sold Watchtower books and pamphlets door-to-door, and worked at Bethel headquarters for $10 - $15 a month. Six years after Rutherford's death in 1942, the Old Testament saints still had not arrived, so the Society quietly sold "Beth Sarim," thus closing an embarrassing chapter in their predictive history.

Tampering With The Bible

Under the leadership of Nathan H. Knorr (1905-1977) the WT Society put away date setting for a time and switched to a different strategy. Since many of their teachings could be refuted by key verses in the King James Bible, Knorr set out to publish a different Bible for JWs to use. Called the New World Translation (NWT), it blatantly altered many verses to support Watchtower doctrine. The single best example of this is John 1: 1, which in the King James Version clearly declares Jesus' deity-"the Word was God." JWs deny the deity of Christ, so the NWT renders this phrase "the Word was a god." The translation committee responsible for the NWT was kept anonymous, undoubtedly to cover up their complete lack of scholarly qualifications. None of the men who worked on this project had any formal training in the biblical languages, except for Frederick Franz. He was chairman of the committee and had studied Greek for two years at the University of Cincinnati without graduating, and was only self-taught in Hebrew. After Knorr's death, Franz became the Watchtower Society's new President.

Intimidation And A Lack Of Integrity

From 1960 to 1966 the organization's growth rate slowed considerably. At this point the WTB&TS introduced a new book and a new date for the end of the world. Life Everlasting in the Freedom of the Sons of God (1966) by Vice President Franz (1894-1992 ) concluded that the autumn of 1975 would mark the beginning of the seventh period of human history. The Society was careful to avoid printing an outright prediction, but the message was clear to Jehovah's Witnesses everywhere-Armageddon was coming soon. Some even sold their homes and property in 1974 and were praised by their leaders for doing so.

Membership grew by the thousands until 1975 came and went. Then many people realized God was not leading the WT Society and left the organization. The leaders of the WTB&TS refused to admit they had been wrong about 1975, and instead told disillusioned JWs to "adjust their viewpoint."

Today many people are unaware of these damaging facts, and the Witnesses continue to grow in number, publishing massive amounts of deceptive literature. The WT Society demands complete loyalty and still predicts Armageddon is coming soon with sure annihilation for anyone who does not join the organization or leaves its ranks. In spite of a history marred by manipulation and false prophecies, the WT Society still claims to be the only one teaching the truth.

Testing the Watchtower Prophet

Deuteronomy 18:21-22 we are told that anyone who claims to speak as a prophet of God and predicts something that does not come true is a false prophet. "And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."(KJV)

According to the Bible, one false prophecy makes the speaker a false prophet. By this test the Watchtower Society's prophecies concerning 1914, 1915, 1918, 1920, 1925 and 1975 prove beyond a doubt it is a false prophet and that we should turn away from this group's deceptive doctrines.

JW Doctrine

When an organization like the WTB&TS claims to be the only true religion and the sole source of correct Bible teaching, we must carefully examine their beliefs. If their doctrines are true, they will be found in the Bible, and their teachings will be consistent and unchanging year after year. Jehovah's Witnesses, however, deny or twist many of the Bible s basic teachings, and their beliefs conflict with those held by orthodox Christians down through the centuries. Consider the following comparisons.

Non-biblical Beliefs

The Nature of God. The Bible teaches that there is only one true God (Isa.43:10-11; 44:6,. Father, Son and Holy Spirit are identified as distinct Persons within the one Triune Godhead (Matt.3:16-17; 2 Cor.13:14). Throughout the New Testament the Son and the Holy Spirit, as well as the Father are separately identified as God. Each has divine attributes and acts as God (Son: Mark 2:5-12; John 20:28; Heb. l :8; Holy Spirit: Acts 5:3-4; 2 Cor. 3:17-18).

By contrast, the WTB&TS denies the triune nature of God and teaches that such a belief is inspired by Satan and teaches that Jehovah, the name of the one true God, corresponds only to God the Father. JWs also deny that Jesus is God (see next point). They deny the Holy Spirit is a person, and instead teach he is merely God's active force, similar to electricity.

Jesus Christ. The Bible teaches that Jesus Christ is God come in the flesh, and is the Creator of all things (John 1: 1 -3,14; Col.1: 16). While never less than God, at the appointed time He laid aside the glory He shared with the Father and took on a human nature ( John 17:3-5; Phil. 2:6-11; Col. 2:9). Following his death, Jesus Christ rose bodily from the grave, appeared to and was recognized in his body by over 500 people. This fact was crucial to both the preaching and faith of the early church (Luke 24:39; John 2:19-21; I Cor. 15:6, 14).

By contrast, the WTB&TS denies the deity of Jesus Christ and teaches that Jesus is a created being who existed as Michael the archangel before being born as a perfect man. JWs believe that after Jesus was buried, God disposed of his physical body. He was raised a spiritual creature and "materialized" to make himself visible. Now in heaven he is once again known as Michael the archangel.

Salvation. The Bible teaches that the atoning work of Christ alone provides the solution for man's sin problem. Jesus Christ took the personal sins of all men-past, present and future-in his own body on the tree (I Pet. 2:24), and as perfect God and perfect man he fully met the demands of Divine justice for us (Rom. 3:22-26). Therefore, any and all who receive him by simple faith (John 1:12; Acts 16:31), can be forgiven, declared righteous and restored to fellowship with God (2 Cor. 5:21; Heb. 7:24-26).

By contrast, the WTB&TS teaches that only an elite group of Witnesses, known as "the 144,000," or the "anointed ones" are presently credited with Christ's righteousness. Only the 144,000 are born again and expect to reign with Christ in heaven. For the vast majority of remaining JWs, known as the "other sheep" or the "great crowd," the atoning sacrifice of Christ only provides a chance at eternal life on earth.

The Bible also teaches that we are saved by grace alone apart from any self-righteous works (Eph.2:8-9). There is nothing we can do to contribute to our salvation because apart from Jesus Christ we are "dead in our sins" (Eph. 2:1,5).

By contrast, the WTB&TS teaches that salvation "will depend on one's works." A person must first "come to Jehovah ' s organization for salvation and then comply with everything they teach. In this way, a relationship with the Jehovah's Witnesses organization, rather than a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, is presented as the basis of salvation.

The Soul & Eternal Punishment. The Bible teaches that the human soul continues to exist consciously after death (Is.14:9-11; Luke 16:19-31;Rev 6:9-11). Those who have rejected God's gift of eternal life will suffer conscious eternal punishment (Matt. 25:41,46; Rev. 14:10,11; 20:10,15).

By contrast, the WTB&TS denies eternal punishment and teaches that the soul cannot exist apart from the body. JWs believe that death ends all conscious existence. Hell refers to the grave and those who are ultimately judged by God will be annihilated and simply cease to exist.

The Bible. The Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit's anointing enables individual Christians to understand God's Word and properly apply it to their lives ( I John 2:27).

By contrast the WTB&TS teaches that the Bible can only be interpreted by the Watchtower Society and no individual can learn the truth apart from them.

Mrlouis: blah blah blah... Stories by the moon tale... All dis are stories.. Any one could have woken up to say all this... From dis post.. I personally dont get anything reasonable... I wonder if the others do.. No bible quotation with reference to what you are saying. We call this cock and bull story bro..

jp philips: which one is the church of christ? im kinda lost

ukotmi: Please take time and read my background in other threads. I have never condemned the Catholic Church. I got born again in the Charismatic Renewal in 1988. baptized in the Spirit with evidence of speaking in other tongues in 1989. So seeing the light to me means getting answers to questions the Catholic Faith could not answer adequately.
There are Catholics who are born again and Spirit filled. There are Spirit filled priests also like the late Rev Father Stephen Njoku among others.
Please read why the Pope who convened the Second Vatican Council called for the '
opening of the Church windows' for fresh air. That prayer led to the Charismatic Renewal. The Foundation of the Charismatic Renewal lies in the pentecostal movement.

ukotmi: GOMBs, Bidam,some of us were serious catholics well schooled in the doctrines of the church before seeing the light. Some catholics are only catholic in name and don't know the doctrines. Some are not serious participants in activities at their home (home town) parishes. They stay in Lagos and Abuja etc and claim catholics.
Go to the igbo villages and towns and see what is happening.

fr3do: didn't Peter,the man you refer to as the first Pope perform miracles in The Name of Jesus
why consider miracles 'uncatholic'
you just go to church and return empty.

why am I even bothered?!
Mary never performed miracles.

loveroftruth: Abeg shift ! Make you no rob me shite.

loveroftruth: You are just a hypocrite !

Catholic church collected and demanded for tithe befor, does that mean that tithing is for christians ?
Is it then a bad thing for those that once preached tithing to change and stop preaching it ? Your answer please.

JMAN05: And I have stated that some mistakes could be out of human error. when u keep repeating what has been attended to, u dont sound serious. I keep saying that we are fallible, but we shouldnt dismiss the fact that truth comes gradually.

JMAN05: We are not inspired. and you dont sound serious.

We are not infallible yet fallible Popes.

jp philips: I took time to study most of the offshoots in Christianity and i found the roman catholic most interesting in terms of how their doctrines are close to what Jesus taught while still on earth, i cant categorically say that my research was elaborate or sacrosanct however, i find some part of their doctrines very insulting not because it is not biblical but the explanations given there in eludes common sense.
A few of those are

purgatory
Mary as a spiritual mother
The Papal Conclave.
incense

[s] Should any Pope repeal these insults, i wont mind being a catholic priest to be in a position to convert others. [/s]

JMAN05: Current understanding bro. light gets brighter each day.

JMAN05: Maybe your not responding to this is a nod of approval. I repeat:

That doesnt mean a bad
spirit took over, no. Just like a bad
spirit didnt institute the law and
later removed it.
A bad spirit didnt institute John's
baptism and later replaced it with
Jesus baptism. truth comes
gradually.

And these are people who claim inspiration.

JMAN05: They are not leaders of JWs, but fellow workers who work much harder. Christ is the leader and head.



Bla bla bla means you have nothing to say. thanks, we are moving humbly to the brighter light. Had others been so humble, many false teaching would have been jettisoned by now. I really appreciate their humility. had they claimed infallibility like "inspired" and fallibly Pope, I wouldnt have been a Witness.

True, false prophesy is wrong, however, that Deutronomy means those who claim INSPIRATION from God. We dont.

If you are serious, respond to my point the way it should be.

italo: Should they say instead,

"OUR LIES COME GRADUALLY?"

JMAN05: We do not claim inspiration

JMAN05: You have the opportunity now to prove it wrong.

JMAN05: We do not claim inspiration, but we believe that truth comes gradually as the light gets brighter. That doesnt mean a bad spirit took over, no. Just like a bad spirit didnt institute the law and later removed it.

A bad spirit didnt institute John's baptism and later replaced it with Jesus baptism. truth comes gradually.

JAMAN05: He is. Prove it wrong. Changes doesnt mean that all our believes will continue to change. no, rather those changes keep leading us to greater bible understanding that leads to sacred secrets of God. It even make us gather more spiritual truths unmatched by another religion. Jehovah keep leading His people. This type of humility is never seen anywhere in any religion. If you have allowed the Lord to lead you, you wouldnt have been haboring a doctrine that the truth clearly shows to be wrong. Jah has always led humble people who accepts correction. If Peter had claimed infallibility, he wouldnt have baptised Cornelius. But he was humble to change.



1. No. we do not segregate sinners. we preach to everyone. But if you mean people who are disfellowshipped for wrongdoing (which I think Yooguy belongs to). but what can we make out of this?

1cor. 5:11-13

" But now I am writing YOU to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man.

For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do YOU not judge those inside, 13 while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked man from among "

From the above, what do you think we should do to wrongdoers? associate with them or remove them?

2. Who rules the world?

John 12:31
" Now there is a judging of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out."

From the above, who could this ruler be? God, Jesus, satan?



1. Explain in vivid terms the beasts that appeared at Rev. 13.

2. read Lev. 17:10-12, acts 15:23-29; 21:25. From the principles which could be drawn from those verses?

When a gun is pointed at your head, and you can save your life only by sleeping with a gal not your wife, which option will you choose? die or fornicate?

JMAN05: we are not infallible like the fallible Popes. But Which one in particular is false as we currently believe? Can you prove them false biblically?

JMAN05: My religion is not watchtower. I am a JW. And christianity wasnt founded by Russell but Jesus. He is not the founder of JWs, but they (not only Russell) sought to find the truth as apposed to pagan type of believe at the time. they werent establishing a new religion different from what Christ has established. He wasnt even alive when we began to answer JWs.

Secondly, I asked about the teaching of the witnesses not sin of any member. I can as well ask you, Has the priests of your church molested any child? yes or no?

Russell didnt molest any child.

I want ti conclude that you have no scriptural prove against what we believe. That is good.

six one: Well unless the fella mentioned kumuyi and is a Member of deeper life, I don't see why you are bringing kumuyi into this. The topic is rather geared towards catholic and Protestants but the basis still remain PURGATORY

adsonstone: No, He is not.
We only know the right ones if they are in line with the ones He has taught revealed in the bible.

adsonstone: Well, the truth is Christ found the Christian Church.

HolyHolla: No! I do not believe that we should all run away from the Catholic church, neither do I believe that we should run from any church, IF we have the opportunity to make a change or differential impact. Unfortunately, I personally don't know of "great" protestants who returned to the Catholic church after reading the Bible.

Mrlouis: hahahaha

adsonstone: if you ask me the of the Church Christ found, I'll rightly tell you its The Christian Church....but I know you'll disagree because you believe its the Roman catholic church just like other othodox churches to believe they are the church.

adsonstone: you make a big mistake by putting everyone outside the catholic church under the umbrella tagged 'protestant'......in that wise, someone can put all churches claiming they are the one true apostolic church Christ found that have the true(original apostolic) traditions ie (roman catholisism, anglicans, assyrian churches and all orthodox churches) under a general umbrella....each one also have her bible canons.
You cant all be right, yet, have different doctrines and beliefs....and still claim you are the one true church.