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vickyO: And where have I insulted her here?
I was only stating the obvious.
I didn't come here to argue or exchange words.

I still wonder why you don't honour all the Bible patriarchs when you worship since you hold this matter of honouring so high.
I don't mind the fact that you guys honour her and make her images, but I react when I realize someone is misinterpreting the Bible.

For me it's insult if you people say the saints are dead and cannot be in communion with us, because Christ didn't teach you that.

Luke 20:36-38
They will be like angels and cannot die. They are the children of God, because they have risen from death. And moses clearly proves that the dead are raised to life. In the passage about the burning bush he speaks of the Lord as 'the God of abraham, the God of jacob.' He is the God of the living, not of the dead, for to him all are alive."


Do me a favour.. Read the writings of the same christians that the Holy spirit inspired to compile the bible you have faith in and know so much.

vickyO: Earthly mother of Jesus in human form cause Jesus existed before her, He-s been since the beginning.

Sorry but if you were alive when God came as man to save us, you would have shouted "crucify him" much more.

Seriously if I'm protestant, I would be quiet about marian veneration as done by catholics.. If someone calls your man of god with insults, you are quick to shout "touch not my anointed", but of the same woman that bore God in man form, that all generations would call blessed, that housed the new covenant, of whom God in flesh was formed-hands, feets, eyes, etc.. you have no regards for, even call her dead smh..

It pains my heart.

It's better to keep mute and not honour your parents than insult them and not honour them at the same time. My point is KEEP SHUT of what you know nothing about.

Even your father in protestianism in martin luther reverence the holy mother.

woky: I like your faculty of reasoning..


You always talk sense!!

Thanks bro

The bad part of this discuss is the Ignorance of supposed educated people because of sectarian belief.

I have encountered many who still do not know that image consist of both the still and motion depictions..

How can a graduate argue that the picture on his mobile phone is not an image? Lol

Then when they are defeated on that, they start talking about bowing forgetting that bowing was not depicted in the same bible for God alone. Infact Revelation 3:9 says:

Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and learn that I have loved you.

Revised Standard Version (RSV)

Or

Genesis 49:8

Judah, your brothers shall praise you;
your hand shall be on the neck of your enemies;
your father’s sons shall bow down before you..

Revised Standard Version (RSV)

They even confuse the word "worship" in context.

Tomorrow another says celebrating christmas is idolatory and they start fighting themselves. The ones that say the RCC is idol-worship cult fights the one who says christ-mass the same idol worshippers started is idolatory. so much for reformation.

When a man born in the 1960's says what has been in practice for almost 2000 years will take people to hell, then the inference would be that satan is winning the battle of winning souls.

Fighting the Church Christ himself founded is fighting christianity. It's foolishness for me.

fredx4: Catholics and their madness

Mumu number 1

^^^^^

Nice one..

Zither:

Nope. I am not out to condemn the Catholic creed or belief.

Oya now.. Go play somewhere

It's like asking me if I actually saw Jesus before I believed he is Lord.

Blessed is he who has not seen and yet believed.

Jesus gave his disciple bread and wine but said "this is my body and blood". He also said "my body is real food, my blood is real drink".

Have you asked why some apostles ran away at first if they actually saw/ate flesh?

Thomas wanted to see his side and when he told him to put his finger, he cried "my LORD and my GOD" (hope you remember this part of mass.)

FAITH! brother FAITH!!

God bless you

fijiano202: To catholies what gives u guarranty that Mary is in Heaven? Do catholies have List of People in Heaven? did Bible they you how she lived the rest of her life after the death of Jesus? Are u sure she didnt re-marry? give me a verse that told you how she died? or a Verse that told you shes From a great lineage? Catholies didnt write the bible you just compiled the books u saw,and thats not All,there are still lots of Books that arent it the bible.God said do not add or Remove my World,how are we Sure Pope gregory didnt Remove somethings from the bible? there are lots of questions to ask that u can never answer.@try69 even if they open ur brain and place a bible there,u can never learn,i wonder what you understand abt the bible.

Let me tell you a secret.

Your pastor wouldn't quote the writings of the men the apostles taught.

You know why? They all confirm catholic doctrines

We use the same bible we compiled to teach you because you wouldn't read those men who really clarified the word of God in both writings and oral (2 Thes 2:15) as passed down by the apostles rather you'd read a 21st century protestant preacher.

Mftivi: Mr man having an image of someone and praying to them is a form of worship but your brain have Been blocked you can't coordinate anymore can't you see that there is no justification for what you doing in the bible where did Jesus or his disciples say we should pray to Mary or Jesus forgot to mention it? you stiff necked man don't gamble eternity us a serious game choose wisely

Exactly how they sound when bone don hook them for throat.. OLODO



Next time type to urself and read, not to the public

Mftivi: he thinks the passage was talking to a man lack of the Spirit de worry xtains

Oya, tell us what the passage is talking about now..

Or are you now confused?

And oh it seems you skipped this one

Exodus 18:7
1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
7 And Moses went out to meet his father-in-law, and did obeisance, and kissed him, and each asked other of his welfare: and they came into the tent.

Exodus 18:7
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
7 And he went out to meet his kinsman, and worshipped and kissed him: and they saluted one another with words of peace. And when he was come into the tent,

Exodus 18:7
Revised Standard Version (RSV)
7 Moses went out to meet his father-in-law, and did obeisance and kissed him; and they asked each other of their welfare, and went into the tent.

Mftivi: Mr man you can't interpret the word of God its obvious you are trying so hard but its the holyspirit that does that. That passage was not talking about any particular human being it was talking to the church in Philadelphia no a physical building but the body of christ who has kept the faith and for that reason were hated and mocked.

Who will bow down to who? Please educate me

Who are the body of christ?

Who are those who has kept the faith?

You guys will make good comedians..

Trustyd1: Deut. 5 vs 8,
you shall not make for yourself an image in de form of anything, be it in heaven or earth.
I believe you can understand that scripture.
but Jesus image, Angels images, st. this st. that. Virgin Mary. all are images if things and we believe Mary is in heaven.
remember THING here is noun

Have you deleted all the images on your phone? or you are not guilty because computers helped you make them?

Abi you are guilty and you don't know? Remember both Pictures and carvings are images

I lie?

Don't just quote, UNDERSTAND.

fijiano202: you have said it all,its only God that can Save them,if you like change ur ways if u like dont change ur ways,He who has ears let him ear,if you pray by calling the God and Jesus of Fijiano ur prayers will be answered than going thru mary

Great teacher, why have thou not answered me ?

Seriously una go turn robots one day because of sects.. Even some of your protestant brothers say saluting the country's flag is worshipping it as God..



GO AND LEARN before u start typing jokes in public forums..

fijiano202: what kinda educated illiterate are u,Ex 18:9 NIV bible ''So moses went out to meet his father-in-law and bowed down and kissed him.they greeted eachother and then went in the tent. We bow down to greet kings in Nigeria,does that mean we worship them or sing songs to Worship them.When did bow down turn to worship

Why are you shooting yourself in the foot?

Don't you praise the Nigerian kings too? Like shouting IGWE!!! before an ibo king?



I'd advise you to study history and language before you start interpreting bible..

Praise singing, bowing to and kissing are all forms of worship.

There is only one form of worship that is due to God and him alone. I woludnt tell you yet..that's my assignment for you if you can humble yourself and be my student

You want more abi oya take


Genesis 49:8
1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
8 Thou Judah, thy brethren shall praise thee: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies: thy father’s son shall bow down before unto thee.

Genesis 49:8
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
8 Juda, thee shall thy brethren praise: thy hands shall be on the necks of thy enemies: the sons of thy father shall bow down to thee.

Genesis 49:8
Revised Standard Version (RSV)
Judah, your brothers shall praise you;
your hand shall be on the neck of your enemies;
your father’s sons shall bow down before you..

fijiano202: Only a fool who lacks understand would say theres worshipping in Rev3:9,this try69 just the quote bible verse he doesnt even understand,i wonder what skul he went to,its too bad if a grown-up cant diff between acknowledge and Worship,they just come online to write rubbish in the form of english,Wetin concern worshipping Mary with the letter to one of the 7 churches

Olodo.. I have shown you in the bible where men bow to men..are they worshipping them?

Answer me!

fijiano202: @try99 Pls i need all catholies to support or explain this Verse Rev 3:9 but start frow 7-11 to ur fellow catholies before he mess up woefully.Firstly theres nothing to argue abt that verse cos it basically as nothing to do with mary or christianity,it is a letter/word from Jesus to the church in Philadelphia,i wonder what made you read that verse cos if people fall down at ur feet doesnt in anyway means Worship,its to acknowledge u that u are greater than them but in this verse it is for people to acknowledge Jesus love for u cos u kept his words.This is one of the letter sent to one of the 7 churches,Pls i want people to Prove me wrong if my explianation is out of line.

Has nothing to do with mary Come let me give you a sound knock on ya head

Mary as well as the saints kept God's word.

So you agree one can worship God by showing reverence to the people that kept his word.

Now mr bible scholar, what is your problem if I do so before a picture or statue of mary/the saints

italo: ^^^

All those verses are perfectly in line with Catholic doctrine...as is all of the Bible.

Thank you for your jokes.

Mftivi: the bible is not an essay you clearly don't understand that passage do yourself good by starting from chapter 2 font be lazy. God said diligently dividing the word if truth. Begin from chapter one self you are looking for a way to justify your sin

OLODO

Oya take this mr i-know-bible

Exodus 18:7
1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
7 And Moses went out to meet his father-in-law, and did obeisance, and kissed him, and each asked other of his welfare: and they came into the tent.

Exodus 18:7
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
7 And he went out to meet his kinsman, and worshipped and kissed him: and they saluted one another with words of peace. And when he was come into the tent,

Exodus 18:7
Revised Standard Version (RSV)
7 Moses went out to meet his father-in-law, and did obeisance and kissed him; and they asked each other of their welfare, and went into the tent.

Ukuts gp: What is this nonsense now. Abeg make i run comot 4 thread before dem go kill me with false tongue from india.

Veni sancte spiritus

et emitte caelitus lucis tuae radium.

fijiano202: Catholies family,Pls where Jesus Call Himself God in the bible? pls i need bible reference to back ur claim.pls dont tell me i and my father are one cos i know that already

Simple bible verse I give u, u no fit interpret.. Simple english, you no fit understand and in your little and very funky knowledge, you want to change somethings that is older than the bible. You need Jesus.

Olodo let me school you..

Revelation 3:9
1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
9 Behold, I will make them of the Synagogue of Satan, which call themselves Jews, and are not, but do lie: behold, I say, I will make them that they shall come and worship before thy feet, and shall know that I have loved thee.

Revelation 3:9
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
9 Behold, I will bring of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie. Behold, I will make them to come and adore before thy feet. And they shall know that I have loved thee.

Revelation 3:9
Revised Standard Version (RSV)
9 Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and learn that I have loved you.

Notice that I used texts from 3 different bible translations, one 1599, the other 1899 and the last a newer translation...

Notice that the oldest translation used worship, the others used bow down..

My question to you mr bible scholar is, why will God make man worship man?

If you can answer, I will know you know what you are talking about because it's very obvious you don't.

Ukuts gp: so who is the satan here if it is nt u? Maybe ur other agent.

Bros easy now.. I didn't call anyone satan..

Ukuts gp: abeg dnt let me laugh and break my ribs. So u are still this ignorant? I really still hv a big work to do.

I declare heaven for me and you brother ukuts

woky: good Job indeed

I'm telling you..even satan presents himself


Job 2:1
New International Version (NIV)

2 On another day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them to present himself before him.

Ukuts gp: or u people will receive the bashing of ur life

Bros you go cry tire.. If Jesus choose not to jump down from heaven to save me, I'd go to him the same way he came to me, through Mary.

You and your bashing na water

Infact if my wine finish, I go run to him mama make she do wetin she do for the marriage for canaan..

Sweet thread!

Immaculata



Acidosis good job

Mftivi: what does the above mean?

It's the Word of God for the guy I quoted to interpret

You can help him too bible scholar

fijiano202: Guy i don define Honour and Worship for all catholies,thats why ur mates are gentle and on the downlow,what Catholies does is purely worshipping Mary,u dont have to get aggresive over that cos ur Mary fit vex ooo,I know my God Jah Jehovah and his Son Jesus and they also know me, am ok with that ok

What can you deduce from this bible verse



Revelation 3:9
1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
9 Behold, I will make them of the Synagogue of Satan, which call themselves Jews, and are not, but do lie: behold, I say, I will make them that they shall come and worship before thy feet, and shall know that I have loved thee.

Revelation 3:9
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
9 Behold, I will bring of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie. Behold, I will make them to come and adore before thy feet. And they shall know that I have loved thee.

Revelation 3:9
Revised Standard Version (RSV)
9 Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and learn that I have loved you.

kennedyugo: On the issue of worship or reverence of Mary.
Christ outrightly forbade it here.
Luke 11:27-28: 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, "Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!" 28 But he said, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!"

If you take those to mean christ was rebuking his mother, then I'd only pray for you
[quote author=.]On the other hand. How do you believe that saints in Heaven are able to hear you? How do you think Mary knows what's happening here on earth?
God only has the power to hear prayers.
If you believe dead people are aware of happenings here on earth, then you're no better than pagans who believe their dead relatives monitor them; who call on their ancestors.

You've heard of necromancy?
Deuteronomy 18:10-12: 10 There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, 11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 12 For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

Whenever you call on dead person whether a saint or not, to help you, you're no more than a necromancer!
Remember Saul how he consulted a witch to raise up Samuel! And how God was very angry with him for that?

What's different when catholics consult "Mary" (supposedly), and she manifests through apparitions?

Free yourselves brothers. Eternity is nothing to joke with.
Why don't we follow God's laid down principles from the Bible. At least since God never asked us to venerate Mary, He will not hold us guilty if we do not. But it'll be a sorry story to discover He hates whatever we defend and hold unto here as a tradition that He never commands us. We cannot even stand to defend ourselves.

Finally
Galatians 1:8-10: [...] 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. 10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.[/quote]Saints don't die..they are alive in heaven

Acidosis: and this is the bitter TRUTH



not some basic, sweet lies from a Nigerian catholic (who doesn't know a thing about his acquired Roman religion).

What more can be disgraceful & degrading than hear a so called christian say ANGELS are greater than HUMANS (Believers)? Lol
Whatever happens to the book of Hebrews 1:4-14.


If only these people can spend half the rosary and graven images 'time' with the word.

I only pity the 'Christians' who do not know the right and the wrong...
The lies here are too big to be digested

Why do you people always look for a portion of bible, twist it, and expect catholics to accept them.. All you know is bashing catholics, and simple bible you no know


Matthew 11:11
New Living Translation (NLT)

11 “I tell you the truth, of all who have ever lived, none is greater than John the Baptist. Yet even the least person in the Kingdom of Heaven is greater than he is!

also mind your tongue

2Pet 2:10-12
.... These false teachers are bold and arrogant, and show no respect for the glorious beings above; instead, they insult them.
Even the angels, who are so much stronger and mightier than these false teachers, do not accuse them with insults in the presence of the Lord.
But these men act by instinct, like wild animals born to be captured and killed; they attack with insults anything they do not understand. They will be destroyed like wild animals.

Djangocode: @OP

Why do Catholics believe in Purgatory??

Because nothing unclean can enter heaven.. And not all sins lead to death(hell)
[quote author=.]Why do they say Mary is the Mother of God.. Jesus and God, are they the same??[/quote]Jesus said "I am HE"
[quote author=.]Why do they confess their sins to a Mortal man who promises em forgiveness..[/quote]He breathed unto them.... "Whatever sins you forgive, are forgiven"
[quote author=.]Why is Mary more Respected and Referred to in their Teachings??[/quote]Because she is the ark of the new convenant..
[quote author=.]Why do they bow down to the Image of Mary??[/quote]There is nothing wrong in bowing to a fellow, it's even in your bible where man bow to man to serve God.
The highest form of worship and for God alone is the worship of offering sacrifices which catholic perform in the liturgy of the Mass.
[quote author=.]The Catholics do a lotta things that contradict the what's in the Bible.. The Spanish Inquisition was one of em, When the Pope ordered anyone who teaches any ish contrary to his own to be Butchered..[/quote]Where do you read your stories?
[quote author=.]Anywayz, who am I to Judge..[/quote]Good..judge not what you have no understanding of