try69:

*I teach something(A) today

After a while,

*i found A to be misleading, wrong (you say mistake) and change my stance to B

After a while yet again

*i go back to A(I earlier adjudged mistake) citing B to be a mistake

Round-robin

When the same mistakes are repeated, it's called confusion.

Which kind clearer light light doesn't get clear by the day, light shines every other day

loveroftruth:

You are just a hypocrite !

Is it then a bad thing for those that once preached tithing to change and stop preaching it ? Your answer please.

true2god: U r one of the few honest JWs i have seen recently. Of course we human can make mistakes, but its another thing to admit the error and learn frm it.

Ok my question to u is, since most of the years fixed (1925, 1935---berth sarim, 1975---armageddon, 1984---forever will shall live on paradise earth, where it was taught that generation that experience WW1 will not die before armagedon) earlier by the JW had been admitted as mistakes (dnt wanna use error), dont u think that their 1914 is also a mistake that JW dnt wanna jettison.

Note that for all those years i listed, JWs admitted they make mistakes and are not perfect (note that WTS never still admitted that they make any mistake, but members admit). So my question to u is this, since the watchtower society (WTS) used a special calculation (only knwn to dem) to arrive at 1925, 1935, 1975 and 1984 (1914+'70) and all these years were confirmed false given their escatholigical teachings, dont u think that 1914 is also false? If 1914 is also false (as 99% of xtains belief), y is WTS still holdin unto it as an official year of christ's invisible presence (tho' the Bible didnt not teach any invisible presence)?

Pls clarify.

JMAN05:

ok sir. i will address later. am in the preaching work now.

loveroftruth:

You are just a hypocrite !

Catholic church collected and demanded for tithe befor, does that mean that tithing is for christians ?
Is it then a bad thing for those that once preached tithing to change and stop preaching it ? Your answer please.

loveroftruth:

You can say that again.

Those that copy falsehood from disfellowship Jw to post here are the honest ones abi ?

It is Italo that is honest abi ?

This your statement here is the honest one abi ?

You that is honest, was Jesus words not "day and Hour" ? Answer and shame the father of lies and proove you have not been deceived by him. Am waiting for you to show that Jesus words was not "Day and Hour", if you dont, we then Know the liars.

Am waiting.

loveroftruth: i think am Getting sick with with christian propaganda.

If atheist or such kind people are to be doing such, it will not have been surprising.

But christians doing such Na wa !

Will Jesus be doing such ?

try69: To understand the bible in "context" and not just literally, one needs to study a little bit of history (languages, cultures, norms) of the times before, during and after christ.

Scripture which my dear friend claimed JW's understanding and interpretation of is not inspired, makes me wonder and I asked a question he has refused to answer- how do JW's believe the interpretation of scripture is achieved? This forms a great debate between early theologians of the catholic and orthodox churches till date..(I can only deduce mathematics from the failed russell and co end time prophecy)

JW end time prediction could have failed from the fact that the use of timing in the bible could peharps be figurative.

When you create doctrines out of parts of scriptures, you should first of ask yourself if it does not disaffirm the fundamentals of the christian faith.

Literal interpretation and disaffirmation in interpretation of the fundamentals of christ-likeness in scriptural understanding is the sole reason why history(culture, norms, traditions, languages e.t.c) can never be exempted from context in scriptural discernment.

Literal interpretation examples are so numerous, from pluck out your eye if it cause you to sin to it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle.. are clear cases to suggest the depth unto which some other parts of scripture should be acclaimed "figurative".

Now how do you disaffirm the fundamentals of christ-likeness (christianity i.e like christ)?

Remember the story of the adoultrous woman? He who is without sin should cast the first stone? Or the parable of the lost sheep? The parable of the prodigal son? All these center on how christ would treat a sinner, and now if I say i want to be christ-like, do I cross to the other side of the road when i see the brother I have judged(even if judgement is for God) a sinner?
Or speak not to him even while I accept him in my midst(like the pharisees)? Did christ eat with the tax collectors(sinners) or not?

I once read a story by a man God delivered from the organization called Jw and almost cried. How he was not allowed to speak to his own daughter because she fornicated.. Thank God he is delivered of the bondage called JW.

When I said bla bla bla..it was actually meant to avoid such epistles because the false prophecies of your founding fathers are proof that they would have come up with fascinating and conflicting doctrines which of course is of a confusing spirit.

Have you asked yourself why the whole of christianity is not with the JWs? Your guess is as good as mine.

italo:

Are you saying Jesus didn't speak out against false prophets like you?

He did!

loveroftruth:

Abeg shift ! Make you no rob me shite.

Yooguyz:


One of the most misleading statements in Watchtower publications is that they accurately foretold 1914 to be
the "start" of the conclusion of this system of things. In reality,
1914 was predicted to be the "end" of the system of things, the conclusion of Armageddon and
the start of the earthly paradise.

i have the watchtower quotes to prove them below

hisblud: am interested, will be receiving sum jw guys, will like to try them on that and see how they answer.

loveroftruth:

can you show evidence from a PDF document that some of those dates relates to Jw for a start ?

Why not add 2000 ?

What has those to do with "day and hour" ?

If Jw show you any info, do you ever care to ask them to verify it to you ?

Oh! You will not, since your love for the scriptures are not strong enough.

Still, it is a shame that none of you can take up a Jw on their doctrin as it were, hence the propaganda.

Be a man and introduce a topic on any of what the Jw preach from house to house like the ones i posted up there and see how the bible will show you how off from the scriptures you are and hence, believing in falsehood.

The most honest and scincere bible students are the ones constantly ensuring that they align themselves with what the bible says.

What loyal set of people they are, that they dont let pride to cloud their bible beliefs and study.

loveroftruth:

can you show evidence from a PDF document that some of those dates relates to Jw for a start ?

Why not add 2000 ?

What has those to do with "day and hour" ?

If Jw show you any info, do you ever care to ask them to verify it to you ?

Oh! You will not, since your love for the scriptures are not strong enough.

Still, it is a shame that none of you can take up a Jw on their doctrin as it were, hence the propaganda.

Be a man and introduce a topic on any of what the Jw preach from house to house like the ones i posted up there and see how the bible will show you how off from the scriptures you are and hence, believing in falsehood.

The most honest and scincere bible students are the ones constantly ensuring that they align themselves with what the bible says.

What loyal set of people they are, that they dont let pride to cloud their bible beliefs and study.

loveroftruth: i think am Getting sick with with christian propaganda.

hisblud: am interested, will be receiving sum jw guys, will like to try them on that and see how they answer.

loveroftruth:

You can say that again.

Those that copy falsehood from disfellowship Jw to post here are the honest ones abi ?

It is Italo that is honest abi ?

This your statement here is the honest one abi ?

You that is honest, was Jesus words not "day and Hour" ? Answer and shame the father of lies and proove you have not been deceived by him. Am waiting for you to show that Jesus words was not "Day and Hour", if you dont, we then Know the liars.

Am waiting.

JMAN05:

1. we do not hold to all those teachings you stated. I dont even know where to start and where to end. ok, you can tell me the one you need our current position on.



2. we thought that the number will be complete in 1935. but after that year, some new people began to declare that the spirit bear them witness to be in heaven. You cant tell them no, neither can you say yes.

JMAN05: It is also noteworthy that some of these people could be those who came from churhes into the truth. Some of them do change the heavenly thought with time cos in there church they cant reconcile the idea that a righteous person will be here on earth. but after getting the accurate knowledge that those who will be on earth are still righteous ones, they change their thinking.

JMAN05: The fact is that you can never say with certainty the number that has been anointed to be in heaven. You can do that to some, but not all. that is our position. that is why i ignored that one. it is still among the past i ve been talking about.

loveroftruth: Still, it is a shame that none
of you can take up a Jw on their doctrin as it were, hence the propaganda.

italo: You have been trained to tell lies. One has to handle slippery snakes like you firmly.

italo: @JWs,

If the soul is the body, why does Jesus make a distinction between the body and the soul in Mt 10:28?

italo: Jesus Christ is referred to as "Mighty God" in Isa 9:6 ("For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us ... And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God ...". Jehovah is referred to as "Mighty God" in Isa 10:20-21. Yet, there is only one God (1Cor 8:4, Isa 43:10, 44:6)?

Why then do you say Jesus is not God?

italo: @JWs

In Rev 22:12-13, Jesus Christ, the one who is "coming quickly", says of himself, " I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end". In Rev 1:17-18, Jesus, the one who "became dead, but, look! I am living forever and ever", refers to himself as the first and the last. Rev 21:6, in speaking of God, says, "...I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end ...". God is also referred to as the "first" and the "last" in Isa 44:6 and Isa 48:12.

Why do you say Jesus is not God since by definition of these words there can only be one first and one last?

italo: @ JWs, do you still teach that Jesus Christ is the Archangel Michael?

What is your current teaching...and please provide evidence.

true2god: U r one of the few honest JWs i have seen recently. Of course we human can make mistakes, but its another thing to admit the error and learn frm it.

Ok my question to u is, since most of the years fixed (1925, 1935---berth sarim, 1975---armageddon, 1984---forever will shall live on paradise earth, where it was taught that generation that experience WW1 will not die before armagedon) earlier by the JW had been admitted as mistakes (dnt wanna use error), dont u think that their 1914 is also a mistake that JW dnt wanna jettison.

Note that for all those years i listed, JWs admitted they make mistakes and are not perfect (note that WTS never still admitted that they make any mistake, but members admit). So my question to u is this, since the watchtower society (WTS) used a special calculation (only knwn to dem) to arrive at 1925, 1935, 1975 and 1984 (1914+'70) and all these years were confirmed false given their escatholigical teachings, dont u think that 1914 is also false? If 1914 is also false (as 99% of xtains belief), y is WTS still holdin unto it as an official year of christ's invisible presence (tho' the Bible didnt not teach any invisible presence)?

Pls clarify.