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Kobojunkie:
It has been received by the school board does not mean the students have been able to get their hands on it though.

See the guy who curse Peter Obi as governor but today is his number one advocate

ivandragon:
Hmm...

When you tell people that removing subsidy is not an end in itself, they throw up blind arguments.


If as the government said that pms subsidies became unsustainable because of corrupt practices and rising costs, the commonsense thing to have done is check the corrupt practices and then address the issues that gave rise to the increasing costs.


How can you admit that people committed economic sabotage for years and then rather than get those people to pay for thier crimes against the masses, you leave the masses to thier fate because you are too cowardly to do the right thing?

Does bat think the economic saboteurs would just simply go away because he decided to run from them and instead suffer the masses? That cabal would simply evolve into another monster to continue to feed off the broken system, afterall, they are untouchable.


First address the factors that have made fuel subsidy unsustainable, then you can remove the subsidy. At that point, pms could come down to as low as N350- N400 per litre without subsidy, which is still bearable in our present economic state IF the N70k minimum wage is implemented across board.

Once pms crosses N400, reintroduce subsidies, at this point, government would be paying about N50-N75 subsidy. When prices drop, stop the subsidy.

To those saying smuggling because of high prices in other countries, I ask...

1. Why should Nigerians pay more for a product it has comparative advantage simply because the government is too incompetent to perform its duty of securing the nation's borders?

2. What stops fuel prices from going up in those countries as the price in Nigeria rises? So because fuel is N2000 in Cameroon, Nigerians must pay N2500 for something they can get at N500?

3. What happens when the much touted CNG is also adopted by neighbouring countries? So the prices would also rise due to smuggling?

Apc is just made up of senseless characters who are cunning and out for themselves only.

I agree completely with your position until you mentioned APC, the rot is caused by Nigerian elite and not by political party.

[quote author=Shawarmagirl post=132088981] Among the four none is Lagosian. Migrants ruling their host.[/quote

Who told you none is Lagos indigene? Oya shinedu, come and explain

Sharpsharp00123:
are u talking about the same Igbos who believe Buhari was cloned?
The same Igbos who believed trump will come n conduct referendum in Nigeria?
The same Igbos who believe killing security operatives will grant them Biafra?
The same Igbos who dare not come out of their own house on Monday for fear of a man in faraway Finland?

Now let me address your points one after d other

(1) Ritualism and occultism- na here we Dey where okija shrine was discovered, na here we see talk of Clifford orji n till today cannibalism is still practiced in Igbo land which was reported lately that ugm cooked egusi with human meat
Don't forget obi dare not step out aside in black attire n d like of Theodore orji who was caught swearing before he was made governor in one shrine

(2) when we talk about bad leadership,u Igbos should know u carry d league, majority of your leaders are criminals who are celebrated n will never b criticized

In Yoruba land u can see we don't practice hypocrisy, we criticize even our own but we know in alaigbo nobody dare talk bad of a rich man

Till today bishop ozubulu is still been celebrated in his village n to top it all 99.9% of Igbo youths outside d shores of Nigerians are languishing in jail

(3) uneducated celebrities so those u listed are the celebrities u know in Yoruba land?
That shows u have a very small brain n u only roll with low lives

So what will u call WizKid,davido,adekunle gold n d likes if u call those tic tok small boys celebrity?

U are too low in reasoning

(4) reference for criminals- everyone knows there are no criminals in Igbo land, just have money n they will worship u so u don't label anyone as criminals

If someone wipes out a whole village to make money n he eventually makes money then he instantly becomes a celebrity

The reason why Reno omokri made it clear that the Igbo culture that places money over everything is what makes Igbos the most jailed tribe in Nigeria

Ethiopia released list of Nigeria prisoners with them n they are all Igbos

Don't forget the Thai police described u Igbos in particular as the scum of d earth,he was so categorical n specific

Ask yourself y seun stopped us from checking names, it's simply to cover d shame of the Igbos when virtually like 5 criminal thread will b on front page with Igbos accounting for all d crimes

It's surprising that in this present age n time it is Igbos that still practiced the barbaric culture of the OSU caste system, it even graced front-page lately n u want us to believe u are d most educated

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Notfogotten
Beremx
IduNaOba
Afonja44

You knocked the guy off the ground. You forgot to add the still give corpse water to the widow to drink. and in 1960 they were forced to stop walking naked.

Afonja44:
So it's the same as imported?
How??

Same way you ditribute bread over beans without any form of measurement and arrived at equal portion

1stDoggystyle:
Haaa me? Where?

Am referring to the guy you quoted. Kobojunkie

1stDoggystyle:
Why did you edit your post? It has alot of truth in it

This same guy is on SM hailing Peter Obi today. Bunch of dishonest people

Sharpsharp00123:
just keep quiet with your madness

U people are shameless

When we point your tribalism to u ,then u deflect

Based on past record of performance a sane person will vote tinubu before obi Mumu n atiku

Is it the same obi that u people cursed when he was governor of Anambra state?
Even mrvitalis n co warned us never to allow obi near power then but today he's an hardcore obi Mumu just because he wants Igbo president badly

There are threads as far back as 2012, stating how useless obi was even when no one was talking national politics,obi performed woefully as governor n u Igbos cursed him to high heaven but suddenly when u needed Igbo president badly then he became Messiah

Check d following threads as far back as 2017 and 2012 n tell me why a sane person will want obi

I can bet that even u cursed obi as governor but today he suddenly turned messiah

https://www.nairaland.com/3773717/hypocrisy-peter-obi#56109705

https://www.nairaland.com/870945/what-exactly-peter-obi-doing#10195342

Hit them with the truth and they will flee. See as them don japa from this thread

givedemwotowoto:
Since you're enlightened, why are you going back to an argument (obviously a lie) which I have already negated with facts?

You haven't presented any new data to show that there was any tribal correlation to the vote percentages. Igbos gave similar or even higher percentages to Obasanjo, Yar'Adua, GEJ etc.

You're presenting the very same data I have already countered.

How enlightened is that?

This is not Ochanja market and I didn't see any data you presented to support your argument.

A comparative analysis of regional voting pattern that quotes the figure of each candidate won in each region and states is expected for a critical analysis.

You haven't done any of this, but want us to believe the lies you tell yourself at UpperIweka.

What you believe is limited by your knowledge, don't pass it here to mislead people.

Igbo are the only tribe that vote based on tribalism in 2023, where Obi scored 98% of votes cast in the SE

Realtruth2023:
Oga stop being daft. We were in Lagos when Tinubu was governor he didn't do anything that was worth anything. Oshodi was a shithole, same with several parts of Lagos. haaaa talk true for once, you claim PO was a disaster as a governor. Please were you in Anambra state when he was governor? A governor who even returned so much money back to the treasury and left the state in surplus is who you are calling a disaster. See admit it Tinubu has always been a failure, you will not die, speak the truth for once and don't invite curses on your lineage.
His paliative system has been the structure he used to keep you guys subservient to him in Lagos, then he incites his loyal governor to put spectacles as projects that have no direct benefit to the state and its people, then to keep power he uses a dangerous form of tribalism that is an us versus them format.
and he employs idiots like you to carry out that format.
Anambra before PO came in was a dead state. PO made people realise that there was money in Anambra state. Soludo saying that PO's investments amounts to nothing was being economical with the truth if the shares he bought for Anambra state in SAB miller had tanked in value due to the depreciation of the Naira, it is PO's fault or the fault of APC controlled FG?

You may not have been born when Tinubu ruled Lagos and your rants uphere doesnt suggest you are enlightened at the time in question.

But I will school you so the lies passed to you won't limit your exposure.

I was a student when Tinubu was governor of Lagos State. Bursery of 25k to student while medical and law student gets 50k.

Present record of Obi bursary awards during his tenure.

Tinubu was the first to pay WAEC fee of secondary student post 1999, and this was extended to every students regardless of your region who school in Lagos school.

Pls present similar record of Obi where he help the indigent students.

I can go on and on but would wait for your defense before opening up cancarworms perpetrated by Obi.

Let me inform you that I served in Anambra and was a testimony to Obi failure, someone who can't afford to pay corpers stipend is your messier.

givedemwotowoto:
This topic is about whether Igbos voted based on tribe or not, which was a lie peddled by Tinubu supporters.

You're derailing with these incoherent gibberish. Focus on the topic.

Simple and short.

2023 presented a balanced candidate among the 3 contending regions
Atiku from the North
Tinubu from the West
Obi from the East
Atiku got 60% from the North
Tinubu got 60% from the West
Obi got 98%from the East and Nwanne is saying Igbo don't vote tribe.

You can choke on that nonsense crab in your village, don't bring that to social media especially Nairaland where we have enlighten people.

This is not Araira market where you sell packaged stone as wristwatch. Nigeria aren't buying your bullcrap analysis, it defiled logic and rational reasoning

And for the record, Obi won Lagos, Atiku won Osun, how many vote did either Atiku or Tinubu win in SE.

Enough of your lies, we are not buying it.

Forkthiefnubu:
You are going too far , let’s just go to 2003 Pdp primaries between obasanjo and Ekweme and others , the south west delegates voted for obj without one erring, not a single vote went to any other candidate, I completely say it without equivocation that the south west political philosophy is tribalism, their way of life is tribalism, their everyday interactions with u is predicted on your tribe and language

Says the person from a region who don't sell land to strangers. Your region is the most hostile region. A place where there's an established philosophy that an Ebonyi man can't work in Anambra.

The same tribalistic Yoruba empolyed many Igbo into thier civil service and appointed Igbo as commissioner while electing people of other tribes into positions and embraced you into their midst after the devastating war.

What did they get in return, "Lagos iis no man's land" "Igbo develop Lagos"

You have overstepped your boundary and taken the liberality of the Yoruba for granted, henceforth you'll be treated as ungrateful as you are

Ttipsy:
And west have been voting for disaster till date

The disaster that made your people flee to same region with bad leaders. The jokes is on you

Softmirror:
Check the records. Igbos voted for Atiku at the Primaries.

The records are there but the Nwa boy now blame the Yoruba that didn't install an Igbo man as president when their leaders voted the north.

Many of them shedding crocodile tears today were shouting if not Igbo then then the north should have it.
They propped up GEJ, Rotimi Amaechi, SP Ahmed Lawan and every other dick and Harry provided it's not a Yoruba man, but today singing a defeated tune that Yoruba didn't vote their candidate. What a shameless propaganda

kedeojo:
Honestly speaking. Wike an Ikwere a minority almost won the primary of pdp if not for tambuwa betrayal and most south east and some south south delegates voted for Atiku in the primaries. South west delegates voted massively for Wike because they believe in southern presidency. Igbos decided to chicken out of pdp and that is nobody's fault but political blunder.

When you hit them with the truth, they result to abuse and curses forgetting that abuse don't turned to vote, you have to earn it

9jalyte:
Bros, read you wrote again and tell you your response is not driven by another thing. The OP just as you to tell us how there voting pattern agrees with the narrative that they are bigots, we did not ask you to tell us why you must vote the Igbos.

Just because you guys managed to sneak into National politics with the son of the disaster that befall us from 2015, you are now acting like masters of the game. From independence, the Yorubas have been following ethnic myopia in politics, that was why they never played in the centre except when the Igbos where in war with Nigeria. The Igbos have consistently gone for the best in the offer even when their brothers like Ojukwu were in the race.

Not look around and tell me the Igbos were wrong in the choices they made. Just the only time we took the back seat, see where Nigeria is. Compare the Nigeria we left you you before the war and the Nigeria you guys produce for us since after the war. Check the Nigeria we participated actively in from 1999 to 2015 and the Nigeria you people have given us from 2015 till day.

Hostely, you nhave no shame.

Small mind cannot reason beyond his narrow perception.

You voted Obi an Igbo man 99% and Yoruba voted Tinubu 60% but to a trader mind, the Yoruba vote thier people while Igbo vote Nigeria.

Gaslighting won't work in 2024, go and read your history and you'll be shocked to see the atrocity of your people, always throwing the first punch but when the sucker punch is returned you start wailing.

The rottenness of Nigeria is caused by all political elites from all region, but in your trader's mind turned everything to tribe and religion.

Preach your astuteness to your people, I will start taking you seriously the day your people stop trooping to the SW in droves in search for greeners pasture and stayed in the eldirado that you have built in your choice of electing the leaders.

Good criticism that is is not tainted with insult, abuse and name calling. I believe many haters and emergency lover of Nigerians can learn how to be objective in criticism

1x2x3:
I see you lack the ability to have a constructive argument despite the facts staring at you. When facts seem to defeat you, you try to divert the topic at hand.

We are talking about tribal voting pattern and you are talking about governorship which different tribes don't contest.

You try to divert the facts. Focus on the topic, you can create another topic about governors. Isn't it obvious your IQ is insanely on the negative side?

Answer my question and stop trying to be clever by half, You claimed to chose the right person in 2023 and I asked why you failed to do same to all your states instead preferred a kerosene merchants as governor

1x2x3:
You failed to remember PDP existed when Ojukwu contested under a lesser know party and no one voted him.

Same PDP is in existence when Obi contested under a lesser known party and they voted him.

If it was about voting for PDP then Obi won't get a vote. It's about the right candidate. I can tell you Obi would have struggled in the SE if APC picked Osibanjo. The votes would have been splitted massively.

Finally, check the candidates SE supported and they won, compare their performances with those they didn't support who later won. It will be clear they always know the right candidate.

All these bullcrap don't sell, you are intelligent in voting for the right president but stupid in voting for the right governor?

Why are your best governor struggling to pay the old minimum wage when other smaller states are doing better?

Racoon:
You noticed none of the regular miscreants here on this platform have entered the thread to drop those their bilious hateful shitcraps?

Curse and abuse cant force people to vote your candidate when you can't remain true and focus to your ideology.

Go back to your PDP and go and struggle for the ticket, win the primary and slug it out with APC in 2027, thats the only way you can become the president and not through propaganda, curses and abuse

Am sure Soludo will be so disappointed in his people because they are so engrossed with quick result mentality. The traders mentality in manyof you will never make you reason objectively and sadly it's just the gullible that a trading phycology can deceive.

Politics is not an entitlement game. You win election through political participation and not based on tribe alignment.

On what ground will an APC member work for LP or PDP?

Demanding other region to vote for your when your regional politics does not align will always lead to disaster.

Your region laboured for PDP for 24years, and you are rightly entitled to demand the presidential ticket from that party, but your leaders chickened out and at the eve of the election your leading candidate left the party to join a mushroom party and you expect other Nigeria to follow and vote for him. What justification is that if not foolish entitlement right.

The SW and Tinubu you hate today has been in opposition since independence. They learned the curve of opposition right from millitary era and into the democracy. They stayed focus on their ideology and understands how the game is played, even when the military presented Diya as Abacha deputy and later Obasanjo as the president. They didn't abandon thier AD , AC, ACN and APC, Unlike your people with trading mentality that couldn't build a party, you killed PPA formed by OUK and destroyed APGA but wanted to be gifted APC ticket when you can't even contend in PDP.

Blame yourselves for your present predicament, and mind you, the SW waited much longer while you were enjoying the spoil with the North. Nigeria is not centred only around Yoruba, Igbo and Hausa, other tribes are equally entitled to be president, don't gaslight Nigerians to do your bidding you have to work for it.

Nigeria has been on a downward trend since independence, don't gaslight Nigeria into making it look like your choice were better. That's a small mind mentality to think you should be pitied and be gifted the president. It won't happen

maasoap:
It was never the right decision, can never be. Removing the subsidy doubled the revenue generation and monthly allocation for the government but led to inflation of goods and services and transport cost for the citizens.
Removing the subsidy doubled the revenue generation and monthly allocation for the government but simultaneous floating of naira reduced the value of naira to one quarter of its previous official value under Buhari. So, what is the right thing about that decision, let's forget about the wrong time you're talking about?

Get your facts there was no money to pay either subsidy and no money to defend the naira.

We had 90% of revenue going for debt servicing, 20billion naira way and mean wasted by Emefiele. Daily oil production reduced to 1.2mb/d. Million of naira siphon through anchor borrower scheme that ended in few pocket.

There was no way Nigeria could have avoided inflation and no magic to peg PMS at 300naira.

You are free to believe whatever would make you happy but that was the reality on ground. That doesn't in anyway exonerate Tinubu government as I expect him to push a national reform that would correct the structural imbalance in the system that gives room for Mass corruption and wastages

Realtruth2023:
Did you see the rubbish you just said. How? all because of hatred and tribalism that is why you said this. In what way is the best of Obi worse than the worst of Tinubu.

You are still showing hatred and tribalism even when you have been made fools by Tinubu.
You guys need to be flogged every morning at least 24 lashes until you have sense.

Use your sense and not emotion.

Peter Obi was a disaster as a governor.

His dossier is there for a rational mind to see. All this your emotional blackmailing won't change abysmal performance of Obi with no single reform or legacy project throughout his tenure.

We can point out to many reforms Tinubu carried out as a governor in Lagos that's is still existing and we expect him to replicate same at the national. We won't spare him if he fail to deliver in that regard but it is absurd to project Obi as a Messiah where Tinubu is still struggling

successman100:
From Eagle square,
Subsidy is gone.
Why can't you wait untill you enter your
New office first?
Marriwana has cut some wires up there men.
You can buy certificate, but you can't buy sense.
No way!

Be calming down. Still better than someone taking advice from a mad man.

Bigkoko:
So many sick people...blinded by their usual foolishness.

To show you that we are dealing with very sick people, just repeat that elections again, the fat fool complaining she is the only person on a first class flight and this here thing will still give you reasons why the vegetable druggie is the best thing after gbegiri and amala...

Very sick people.

Just see them...... after voting and encouraging others to vote disaster they will flee the country. Most of their pastas have since relocated to their favorite hotspot : UK. This one na money he no get, otherwise aboby for don dey Youkay dey drop video that would bring patronage from th cornfused f**Lls

By the way, why am i not hearing "I am Batified" again...where them dey? Awon ndi Asiwaju will favor me & my family? Mad people...

You rats will leech on yourselves .....ediats!

When you hear some European leaders removing undesireable humans, these are the type of sick people they should be referring to!

You don't get it, the worst of Tinubu still better than the best of Obi the mediocre

True that's not tough decision but the right decision at the wrong time.

By the time Tinubu have gut to restructure this country, send executive bill to NASS for firing square for corrupt politicians, and slash all appointee salary and emoluments to reflect minimum wage, that's when Nigerians will see you taken tough decision.

You have no gut to reform ordinary NNPCL and you want to claim macho, oga you better buckled up

Removing subsidy when you could have confronted the oil theives show you took the easiest route.

Sit up and tell your advisers to sit up too

nairalanda1:
If tinubu had reduced prices of fuel to N100, the amount he would have spent on subsidy would have eaten our budget, and all the loans we took for the year.

Am sure you like GEJ. The reason why GEJ increased prices from N65 to 140 then cut to N97, was because quite simply, subsidy costs in 2011 were three times that in 2010. In other words the cost of subsidy had gone up to keep fuel at N65. Had he continued to keep fuel at N65, by 2014, the budget would have been eaten up by the subsidy as it was.

Make be blast tinubu for curruption, no industrialization policy, no diversifcation policy, no cost cutting.....but I don't expect a president who on May 29 met an economy where 90% of government revenue was going for debt servicing to keep on paying for subsidy, even with the partial one he is still doing right now self...because fuel should be above N1200 per liter.

Infact if TInubu had kept petrol at N195....by now, there would have been no money for salaries, for example.

Even GEJ keeping fuel at N87 cost our economy dearly. Buhari too keeping fuel low messed us up.

At some point, even people like me that do not like our leaders past and present have to wake up and realize that there is no way fuel can be sold for below N200 without issues arising.

Stop making excuses for government laziness.

How much is fuel sold in Libya, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia. These are oiil producing counties that utilised their oil to their own advantage.

Before you mention our huge population compared to oil output as a basis why those countries are doing better, look up the countitution and point to where it is a crime to expand our oil production since we have huge oil and gas reserve.

The laziness of the government over the year is the reason for this crises.

Other countries that doesn't subsidise PMS still subsides other commodity. Stop making excuses for the irrepomsibity of the government

Seriously there's sence in your point regardless how awkward it sounds.

Sugar, Wheat, Cocoa all have international price, no one stops companies from turning it to Chocolate and beverages.

Why then is crude not allowed to be refined by the owners

Didijiji:
Failure is a demonic party taking the destiny of a great black nation backwards by over 50 years when other nations on earth are making advancements

Your Akpuga party that's a success, how many LG is it controlling.?