₦airaland Forum

lexy2014:
The questions still remain: what will all u have said portend for Nigeria? How will it make Nigeria a better place?

Nigeria remain unworkable project based on the fraudulent constitution and how it's structured. That's is why anything short genuine restructure or total disintegration would not change anything,

But recent events have shown that SE are not disposed to genuine restructuring with the way SE governor lackadaisical attitude towards VAT issue when SS and SW are strongly in support.
Their lip services was further confirmed when some bigots from SE came online to justify such act.

lexy2014:
If tinubu becomes president, what will it portend for Nigeria? How will it make Nigeria a better place?

Look let me tell you, Tinubu is w better administrator than all other candidates right now. It was his foresight on revenue collection that jump start and revolutionised tax system in Nigeria, his template is what FIRS later adopted.

During his tenure, he network Lagos Institutions and unified tax system making it almost impossible for civil servants to corner tax collected.

Lagos Secretariat and LAHA already had internet services in all the offices as far back as 2001, the feat that could not be achieved at National level up to 2007.

All these were done when Federal government denied Lagos of her allocation.

Should we talk about waste management initiative that was the first in Nigeria. BRT initiative and with it's dedicated Lane in a complex city like Lagos.

Check out his cabinet From Wale Edun, To Cardoso to Mix Banire, Osinbajo, Dele Alake, Akabueze and crops of intelligent personality in his cabinet.

Besides, he is a believer of restructuring though the present circumstances can't make him do much in that area, but trust me, he would make a better president and better other ones from 1999

lexy2014:
If tinubu becomes president, what will it portend for Nigeria? How will it make Nigeria a better place?

Okay is it Atiku and ObiChina that would turn Nigeria to paradise? Dey there dey deceive yourself.

Until I see a better candidate, Tinubu remain the alternative

PaChukwudi44:
Oga fulanis and Hausas won't be voting for Tinubu because he will be contesting against their fulani kinsman

This man again?

What slogan do you have this time around. Sebi you were always shouting Buhari cannot win.

mrvitalis:
My brother collect the money , if osibanjo come collect to endorse am ..atiku collect endorse am too infact anyone collect your money chop ...on that day travel enter Dubai sleep well

Yen yen yen, will you also collect money and endorse Tinubu, see all these your rants amount to nothing even among your people.

O ma se o

Very interesting to see that when their urchin are on Nairaland shouting Tinubu can't be president', the ones that matters among them are making endorsement of same Tinubu.

Mr Ibu, weldon jare

Dsalvo:
Well-said bruv. The matter is not rocket science. You never see Igbos tell off erring and bigoted Igbos, like the OP, for their divisive idiocy. Instead they will join to add insult upon injury.

When Yorubas then respond they begin hyperventilating and playing victim. Jokers.

The useless OP has crawl back with regret to his cursed evil forest where he being tormented for his insane hatred for a people that is better than his 10th generation

Nicetry:
How do u expect a numbhead tribe to learn how to fight for their own ...

To Yorubas since they can't fight for their own out of stupidity and cowardice they branded sufferstication, igbos should also fold hand and b in the same level with them.

That was why to every igbo man that fight for kanu automatically an enermy to that slick tribe

Keep quiet, your people went to beg Buhari not out of love for Kanu but out of fear of IPOB and the fear of UGM that has turned your region to war theatre.

Igboho won his case in court and judge awarded compensation in billion to Igboho, so there is no need for any begging.

Sunday Igboho make it categorically clear that nobody should beg on his behalf and that is what a bonafide Yoruba warrior does.

How can you be demanding for self determination and still be begging, your leader are always betraying the course of everything Kanu stands for.

Does Kanu approve the begging mission of Igbo leaders? Is Kanu willing to sacrifice his conviction for his freedom, if he does, then he would be remembered as a leader who led millions of IPOB into a mission but desserted then when matters most just like Ojukwu

ThickSharon123:
Well, you have it wrong. It shows you haven't traveled enough. There are luxurious estates in the east, luxurious palaces, the only thing Igbo lacks presently is making their center the hub of manufacturing, where they'll be producing goods that is internationally acceptable. That's the Igbos hubby, and the government isn't focusing on that. What your government is focusing on is making Nigeria a full Islamic nation, so they'll be able to have puppets.

But Igbo isn't that kind of people. We prefer to be known by the world, we prefer to be a jewel for the black race. Most times, this is the reason Igbos love Chinese and the Asians. These people were called names by the ruling whites in those days, but they geared up to develop their lands, and what are the whites commending them for today? My dear so many things, the Chinese and Asians are loved by various people for their ingenuity.

But Yoruba fits the Sokoto caliphate agenda well. Becuase as your brother said you believe in respect of hericachy. Okay, if you do, then be so. But you need not force the democratic Igbo nation in the scam of democracy.

Very soon, we would have the leverage and you'll surely see the Biafran state what it truly is. A manufacturing hub of the world, because there would be the freedom to use our imagination to create something meaningful to the world. Not in nIgeria that never commends someone's imagination or ingenuity in using it for the betterment of the country.

Drop mic

At least this your writeup makes sense and project your region in a way it would be acceptable to Nigerians.

But anytime any of your people goes overboard and cross the lane by making useless comparison or try abuse other region, we shall give back in full dose and expose the silliness of such OP.

But for the record, for every luxury edifice you see in Alaigbo, there are millions of it in other region, if you claim to have estates, SW has more and expensive ones and no one make noise about it.

Tell you people to stop unnecessary chestbeating, unwanted comparison, they should focus on their bad politicians and leave others to deal with their own.

There is point for this type of useless topic by a useless OP if his intention is not to sow seed of discord among two region.

I know the OP is a bigot and tribalist IPOB from evil forest in Abakaliki, but don't allow him taint other good civilised Igbo that are not intimidated by other people's success

ThickSharon123:
Really I just read this, you still added more comments to it. Now, let's use this scenario, If the government thwarts every avenue to trade in Yoruba land, like a good sea port, policies against a certian people and all that stuff what would happen to the nation.

This development of Lagos is intentional, but it wouldn't last long for it would back fire, do you want to know why, the reason is Igbos won't be here too long and you guys would have to be on your own. No more petting you to develop your land as the government has indirectly directed them to do with its Draconian policies.

The private funds we've (Igbos) used it to develop the little we can, and I forsee the future, there'll be a great man from the Igbo country, who would set the world ablaze with his findings, that he would use his trillions to develop his country. I see it, although it's still a vision.

That said, Igbos are way more developed if you bring all of the South west and south east together. Most south west places are villages with brown, rusty roofs, dusty roads, uncultured people, and all that sort.

I know your next claim would be "How would Igbos survive in their erosion Laden lands." Well, erosion is caused by massive population explosions on a vicinity. But with much control it can be reduced to the barest minimum.
LAGOS is the only place Yoruba's take pride in, when they've contributed little or nothing. All they do is head to the Igbo markets they've little contributed into and start collecting payments. There are more and more you need to know which shows Igbos if they were kept in the same level playing ground with the Yoruba's, the Yoruba's would be numb.

Why can't you people make your point without bragging, always comparing and claiming what you are not. Anambra your NY, how develop is it. From Upper Iweka to Nteje and all those villages where communal war still exist, which one doesn't have brown roof?

Why have you all failed to distinguish a city from houses in the bush Towns in SS are heaven compare to what we have in Alaigbo, there is nothing interesting there that is why your people troops to other region in droves turning yourself to refugee in your own country

Rexwalters1:
Mumu private sector builds refineries not the state, stop living in the past.

Why is your government holding on to 4 refineries . Ode

ThickSharon123:
Where in my mention did I say they aren't everywhere. Our point of discuss was Lagos, not Nigeria. Your people always term Lagos as Igbo heaven because you find Igbos making it what it is.
Isn't it why at a certain time, one governor years ago made a huge makrekt complex, and told citizens and Igbos are invited to take a lease in opening the market.

If it was a Yoruba land for only you guys why would the south western governor, I don't know if it's Ogun or Osun call on Igbos to take lease for the new market complex.

You people know how important Igbos are to your region and you can't accept it, but enjoy the benefits of it.

We have more SS in Lagos than Igbo yet you make the loudest noise

Onepeople:
but can follow a character like thieftinubu, that is a pure sign of laziness among the youth of that region.

Lest I check Tinubu if far better than Orji Uzo Kalu, Command respect than Obi China, not as useless as hopeless Hope, and ambitious unlike Abaribe. Tinubu is everything any of your useless politician would want to be

ThickSharon123:
Point of correction, the only place you will find Igbos in majority is Lagos, what does Igbo want to do with other Western state? It's the same way In Enugu, so stop all these pride in yourself, thinking you people are special becuase you know of computer village or Alaba market. If all the Igbos go, it's people like you that would persuade them to come back, crying food is scarce, transport is costly, or you can hardly get cheap products and all that sort.

So, stop ridiculing yourself with all your mentions when you know the truth. Igbos are found in millions in Lagos. Even me, I don't see myself preparering to go to OYO, or Ogun, what do I want to do there. Even if you see some Igbos there, just know is either they didn't have money to pay rent or something happened financially.

And I believe most Yoruba' landlords in Lagos do that, so Igbos would develop hinther lands for them. So when the prices are high, the business looking igbos would have to pack to places in their village to develop it for them.

And Igbos are not devious, so they help you guys develop. But as soon as Ibom and it's port, and Imo and it's infrastructural abilities are done or even Enugu, you'll be seeing a mass migration in no time. So, please dear, be less worried. Igbos have no time to steal your Lagos from you, they'll freely give you back when the time comes.

Stop you lies, Igbo are everywhere in Nigeria, I mean responsible Igbo not some egocentric and barbaric one among you who never leave Evil forest in Abakaliki with your myopic view and irritating comments against other tribes in Nigeria

Where are ones selling under bridge at Iwo road are not residing abi day travel daily from Upper Iweka to Ibadan to sell their wares and then go back in the evening.

There are some lies that makes you people sound stupid

Idiko1:
My grandfather equally told me the land belonged to the seller until the land is sold. A seller can no longer dictate what happens on the land when sold.

Go and check the content of the 'Certificate of Occupancy' that is if you ever seen one before

gidgiddy:
Between me and you, you're the one who has mentioned ethnic groups in this situation. I dont know why people like you have to bring ethnicity into a situation where no ethnic group was mentioned

What do you mean by Igboho people and Kanu's people in your write-up.

You never knew your useless write-up would be used against you. That's the kind of embarrassment you cause your people because of unnecessary chestbeating

To even think that Sowore a Yoruba man mobilised his group to the court premises on two different occasions in solidarity and was well covered by both local and international media while all these useless chestbeaters were covered in their wives wrapper at different evil forest where they resides speaks volume of how chestbeating can make one insane.

Now Sowore a Yoruba man went on solidarity protest for MNK, which of your cursed sissy coward protested for Igboho's freedom?

gidgiddy:
How many times did I hear it here?

"Nnamdi Kanu is going about his agitation the wrong way "

"Nnamdi Kanu should learn from Sunday Igboho who is going about it the right way"

In the end, no matter who was going about it the right or wrong way, Kanu and Igboho suffered the same fate from a federal government that does not care about the rule of law. The houses of both men were invaded, people were killed and both men fled the country

But look at Nnamdi Kanu's people rallying round him, holding international protests for his release, besieging the court premises when he comes, going as far as asking the President to release him.

Where are Igbohos people today? No where to be found

They said Kanu was spreading hate, insulting people and inciting violence

Ok, what support did they show Igboho who did none of those things?

Talk is cheap

Must you always embarass Igbo daily?

MNK is still in detention likewise Igboho, yet you come online without shame to chestbeat that you are helping Kanu.

Prominent Yoruba Obas have visited the president on Igboho case, but Yoruba didn't use it to malign your governor's who collide with FG to declare IPOB terrorist organisation.

There has been different rallies home and abroad on Igboho's case but Yoruba never flaunt that to humiliate Igbo.

Some Yoruba like Professor Banjo Akintoye have relocated to Benin Republic on account of Igboho but there's never noise about that from Yoruba

What exactly is Igbo chestbeating about support for Kanu has to do with Yoruba.

Why must you always use your low life standard to measure Yoruba who doesn't relate and have different oulook to life from your hateful life?

Why are you always measuring and chestbeating when there won't be any reward for you?

Why are you people embarrassing civilised Igbo daily on social space.?

Why?

Emergingnation:
lying Afonja, They did not beg, Buhari is the one that called to beg instead.... Go and rescue Sunday he being incarcerated..... Stop envying Igbo for rallying around kanu's release.... We ain't coward that abandoned theirs

Is it by coming to Nairaland daily to shout Tinubu cannot win in 2023 or by shouting north would win in 2023 is how you are being rallying round Kanu?

How exactly has your rallying freed MNK, is it by declaring sit at home that prompt you to think you are helping Kanu? rather than inflict economic pains on your people.

What support exactly have you given to MNK that hasn't stopped him from eating watery bean?

I don't seems to get this type of chest beating again o. And coming from educated Igbos make it look like chest beating is a hereditary curse to your generation

backbencher:
subsidy removal would not stop price of fuel from going up, what solution has the removal of subsidy solved?


The higher the cost of producing petrol the higher the cost of keeping it cheap

Will the removal of subsidy reduce cost of production?

What is the argument for removing fuel subsidy when the price will eventually go up every 2 years?


What is the relationship between subsidy removal and cost of production since cost of production directly affect price.

Why are you running away from addressing the cost production which repairing existing refineries and building modular ones will solve.?

Why not solve problem associated with importation in area of shipping cost, transportation cost and other cost that increases the price?

What is the benefit to Nigeria since the money realised will be looted by politicians.

You don't understand what you are saying

What you are saying in essence is that Nigeria will be buying fuel at increased price every 2 years when eventually subsidy is removed since you allude that cost increases every 2 years.

Xzellentgraphic:
Guy just shut up your mouth ..and get off this thread. If you can't reason like a literate..what are u doing on a platform like this....You are here just arguing without fact and someone is still trying to correct you ....but you still continue in your dumbness .. outrightly reasoning like a monkey... I'm surprised, even a monkey would do better than this..... Why are you northern Muslims covenanted to be irremably dumb?

The guy is a fanatics, don't mind him

PrinceOfLagos:
Evans that year

You remember your friend

Simdyofficial:
At least they are alive better than wearing this Nigerian rigalia

OP but blood stained Nigeria flag colour would look good on you abi?

backbencher:
I think you don't understand my position, and I am sorry for not being more clear.

I would suggest you read the below linked articles to get why I am talking the way I am, and why I am no government supporter.


1.Fuel subsidies in Nigeria: they’re bad for the economy, but the lifeblood of politicians

2.The fuel subsidy dilemma

Fuel subsidy is not bad what is bad are

Corruption in Oil sector

Absence of social safety net

Recklessness of governance

Insensitive government policies

Over-bloated government expenditure

Extravagant lifestyle of politicians at the expense the people

Poor government policies and absent of genuine reform

Budget padding and reckless spending

Irresponsible citizen and sycophants.

When all these are addressed, there won't be need to add or remove fuel subsidy

kettykings:
I just pray this will be extended to street urchins, cultist, touts disturbing public peace,rapist if not then it will business as usual.

Let it start with corrupt politicians and public servants

The caliphate has been dealing with the South no be today.

It would make more sense if referendum can be include in the 2023 election so we use one stone to kill two birds

backbencher:
If the Niger delta boys get together, and get technical partners, and there are many , to help them refine fuel to standard, then they would get somewhere.

That is what I said. I did not say locally refined petrol is bad. It is you who is building strawmen. I SAID THAT PETROL REFINED UNDER SUBSTANDARD CONDTIONS IS BAD...AND DANGEROUS.

Get it?

Or would you buy substandard drugs made in Nigeria because 'they are our own local production?' (Someone I know once did that for his child unknowingly and the child died. For nothing).


Irrelevant .


Yes, they have DONE THAT...which is why we have six refniereis, private under construction and 20 on the drawing board...and more to come once the subsidy goes.

It is like you aren't reading what I wrote....



There is noting wrong with our local fuel..so long as it is refined according to standard process with safety and environmental protocols observed

This your strawman is too big.




Yeah, because it is done according to standard protocols. NEXT.


So we should ignore safety, standards protocols...jsut to get cheap fuel

People die from things that are made without following the right protocols, you know.

So we should use substandard products because 'they are made in Nigeria' (Welll, well, well).

I am planning to use locally made fuel that has been refined by the globally accepted standard processes. Not illegally refined fuel that might mess up my car engine....

Nothing stops your Niger delta boys from setting up a refinery that is to standard, and works by the standard processes...not only would they refine more fuel, but they would make more money than an illicit fuel den.





So we should keep wasting money on fuel subsidy because the North will pay more for fuel.

Yeah, so what? Scaremongering.

Besides, more money due to subsidy removal=more profit=more investment in things like pipelines. Then the railways too are coming up....

Subsidies waste a lot of money.

What would the citizen benefit from government that could not provide basic amenities, every homes provides his water, electricity, healthcare and private education.

What exactly should be the responsibility of government whereas worldover there is one form of subsidy or the other.

Look at how government messed up palliatives that is not even their money, would you trust such people to disburse any cash transfer.

I advice you to stop making excuses for government on the issue of subsidy when government could not block wastages and trim down the cost of governance.

Nigerian have sacrifice so much for politicians who get everything for free but can't make citizen have any form of relief.

backbencher:
1.The backyard refineries in the Niger Delta are not standard, do more damage to the environment than a standard refinery (and that's saying a lot) and are risky (zero safety standards).

Recently one of the illegal refineries exploded in Rivers state, and 25 people went to the great beyond. And that's not the first time.

Let the Niger delta guys get some money together, get a technical partner, and build a standard refinery please. For their own safety..

2.In addition to Dangote and his competitor and 'frenemy' BUA, there are 5 other refineries going up, and 20 more in the wings.

Stop talking about standard when you can simply regulate. Nigerian have been eating stone rice since the ban on foreign rice, did we complain.

It's slave mentality to assume because crude is refine locally then it must be substandard.

The palm oil you eat since you were born has been refine locally, how come you haven't die.

What government need is opening up the refining end and regulate.

Your type can go for your stardard fuel at 700/litre, while majority of Nigerian would settle for locally refine one.

But regardless of whom you are majority of what you consume is locally produce, from your food down to your cloth and water.

Again, fuel refining is not rocket science, dont make it look it can only be in a big way. It only people like you that makes governace complex.

Lastly, how do you solve the logistics of transportation of fuel to Northern Nigeria. Do you think there would be price differential?

If there's is uniform price (which I strongly believe would exist after fuel subsidy removal) then where is the justification for subsidy removal

backbencher:
Well, okay

I just wanted to know you got my point ...that refineries have to be run profitably for them to work well.

I also hope you would get it why prices have to initially rise, and why subsidy payments have to end now....because no investor is going to come in, refine fuel at a certain price and then be told to sell it below the price , and then get paid a subsidy that does not begin to cover their losses.

But the Niger Delta guys have been refining and making profit. Look there nothing complex about oil refining that can't be done locally if government is serious.

Let government remove stiff control and licensing and only regulate and see Niger Delta people start producing for consumption.

backbencher:
1. You would not run to North Korea to run your refineries. North Korea has no refineries and relies on China for petrol ( and that North
Korea country is a mess as well. It is poor , broke and it's annual budget is one quarter of what South Korea spends on defence!)

2..Rule number one of allowing a foreign entity run anything is that you have to let them make a profit doing so

China basically runs Niger Republic only refinery , meanwhile petrol sells for N370 per liter there. And Niger is poorer than we are.

3.The reason why we have bad refineries is that government forced then to run at a loss to guarantee cheap fuel. Thus they had no money for routine maintenance and upgrading. Meaning they all collapsed. And have become money sinks.

4. If we had removed subsidies in 1993 , when it was first suggested to us, by now we would have had well functioning refineries for decades simply because they were allowed to run at a profit an thus make back the money they spend in refining one liter of fuel.

( A subsidy is what the goverment pays to cover the difference between the cost price of petrol and the goverment price which is lower..It is usually insufficient because the actual cost price always rises and because it is funded by volatile oil revenues.

Goverment removes subsidies from time to time by reducing the amount spent on subsides which manifests as a rise in prices)

5. We have a functioning GSM network because goverment allows them to run at a profit. We don't have functioning refineries because goverment forced them to sell fuel at a loss for decades and paid them an insufficient amount of money called subsidy to cover the losses .

Stop making excuses for government.

What is the reason for subsidy in the first place?

Is it not because the refineries are not producing. Why not first solve that problem and make profit from refineries when remove subsidy.

As an oil producing country how do you explain it take a private company to build refinery when government can't dont have one single functioning one. Isn't that shameful?

Asgard73:
Kai. You’re wired not to understand. .. and nothing will make you.
Have always told me... based on who.. do you know me before this minute?

You’re the human talking perception.. I’m telling you reality and you’re masakering and regmaroling.. with words .. I don’t have that time .. I don’t.

What is the politcs of Kano state presently and who’s in charge of Apc ..

Which state in northwest will your Tinubu win for Apc in the North?

How can speaker influence delegates in a presidential elections not even governors but speaker ...

Which Acn gave Buhari highest vote in 2015
A man with already 12 million votes on ground and how many votes did Yoruba state gave him?
Military don’t vote.. yes.. but they’re establishments.

Please stay off my mention .. till you learn .. you know nothing and won’t reply you again.

Thank you.

You are too dull, we are talking of party primary you shifted to general election, you are too naive to discuss politics. There's not even single thing one can take off your rant. Until you stop your obsession on Tinubu and Yoruba you will always have it hot you children of hate