@vedaxcool or whatever you call yourself :

It is you and all Muhammedans are mad people. You exist your madness everything for all to see. I know how to spell the truth. I deliberately wrote t.truth.

Anyway here are the quotes from your hate book called Quran :
Quran exhibits an allusive, chronologically disorganised, historically incorrect, grammatically and lexically difficult book.

Muhammadans hold that their faith came directly from Allah. The Quran and all their tenets were 'revealed' by Gabriel from Allah to Muhammad. Much of their faith is also built upon Ahadith (Traditions) handed down by his followers.


The Shi'a Muhammadans differ from the Sunnis as to much that is told us by Traditions; therefore, our arguments have to be based mainly on the Quran which is accepted as divine by every Muhammadan of whichever sect, and on such traditions as is comfortable thereto. As for the Quran, it is held to be of eternal origin, recorded in heaven, and lying as it does there upon the "Preserved Table"


85. 21" This is a glorious Quran


22 (inscribed) in a Tablet preserved [Lawhun Mahfooth] "


*** The Quranic tablets are in similitude to those that Moses brought down at Mount Sinai as the Tablets of the Law.


Even the concept of a written Tablet - like most of the other important ideas and precepts of the Quran - is plagiarised from the traditions of the
Jews ***


Thus Allah alone is held to be the "Source" of Muhammadan Islam.


Since this is the case, then all efforts to find a HUMAN origin for any part of it would be in vain.


Now, if we can trace the teaching of any part of it, to an earthly source, or to human concepts and ideas existing PRIOR to Muhammad's age, then the alleged divine origin of Muhammadan Islam collapses at once to the ground.


It therefore behooves every true and enlightened Believer, with the utmost diligence, to test whether this claim be true or not. If their opponents can bring to light no human sources, they may contend that by admission Muhammadan Islam is indeed divine; but if otherwise, they cannot but perceive what a fatal conclusion must be drawn.


Let us then test the assertions of those who hold to the existence of human sources, and see whether any portion of the doctrines and tenets of 'Islam' can be traced to other Faiths, Beliefs and Traditions preceding Muhammad's age, or existing at the time.


The Quran asserts that it was the angel Gabriel who recited its contents to Muhammad (Surah 2:97)


2: 97 Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by Allah's will a confirmation of what went before and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe.


Hence Muhammad received the Quran SECOND HAND and not directly from Allah.


On the other hand, Moses received the Torah directly ' FACE to FACE' from God. He was after all, not only Rasul'ul Allah and his Prophet but also 'Kalim'ul Allah' - he who talked directly to Allah - while Muhammad was only 'Rasul'ul Allah' - the messenger of Allah.


Moreover, Gabriel is one of the Hebrew angels and is the same angel who predicted the virginal and divine birth of Jesus/Messiah as mentioned in the Gospels of Mathew and Luke.


If Jesus was the predicted REDEEMER of humanity, then why would the same Gabriel turn to another person - Muhammad - to fulfil God's will?


Does this mean that Jesus had failed in his mission and a new replacement was necessary?


Why would the same angel Gabriel predict and serve TWO different and contradictory messengers of God, if Allah is the God of Israel and Jesus?


Since Gabriel was an angel in the Jewish tradition to start with, why would he recite Surahs in the Quran - not in Hebrew but in Arabic - that are not true reflections of those of the Torah or the New Testament but are, in an enormous number of cases, totally incompatible variations of them?


Why would the God of Israel - according to the Quranic version of events - not keep His promises to His People? Is it possible or acceptable to imply that the Almighty had been misleading them?


Why did it take Muhammad twenty-three years - the whole period of his unfinished prophetic mission - to 'reveal' the Quran while it took God forty days and nights to teach the whole of the Torah to Moses?


The Quran does not exhibit any sustained narrative; it contains nothing like the details of the biographies and stories which fill the Bible. The heroes of the Bible are reduced to mere names or footnotes in the scheme of the Quran; creatures without depth, breadth or even a 'soul' but fully laden with acrymonious and blood curdling exhortations. The angel Gabriel must have been 'high' on some intoxicant to deliver such mendacities.


Almost all of the Biblical narratives are completely changed without any reason, explanation or logic. If Gabriel were innocent of such perversions, then it must have been Muhammad or the redactors of the Quran who deliberately attended to its falsifications and tampering.


Is the Quran a divine revelation?


From the logical, historical and theological points of view the answer can only be an EMPHATIC NO.


While the Hebrew Bible records the historical and theological relationship between the People of Israel and their God in an orderly, chronologically sequential and relatively accurate narrative, that of the Quran records the PERSONAL thoughts, needs, hope, fears, lusts, hatred, anger and personally intimate matters of Muhammad ONLY.


Hence, the only remaining practical and acceptable conclusion that can explain away the vital differences between the original Biblical version of events and the current Quranic ones are:


A) That the stories of the Quran are not historical for the simple reason that they are in the form of allegories and parables to convey 'moral' or 'spiritual' truths to a pagan people who are without a recorded anchor in history. They are repeated in numerous verses and in different forms for their religious and spiritual contents.


Almost all the human characters in the Quran are two dimensional without a background and without a history who appear on centre stage from no where and go to no where. It is not surprising that Muhammad found very few converts to his 'heroes' while other 'story tellers' succeeded more than him.


B) If the above explanation is unacceptable, then the only other conclusion is that the Quran had been deliberately edited, perverted and/or corrupted by the Muhammadan theologians after his death to suit their sectarian and or political agendas.


We do not have the original versions of the Quran because they had been destroyed by its redactors a few years after Muhammad's death to cover up their tampering and not to confuse his followers by having contradictory versions.


The Quran is a simple scripture that offers no unattainable ideals. It has no mystical sacraments, no priestly hierarchy and no 'apostolic' succession. Just like in the Torah concerning Moses, Muhammad is only an ordinary human being who was divinely inspired. The similarities between the Quran and the Torah (Hebrew Bible) - which it slavishly tries to emulate - are unmistakable, numerous and the reasons are obvious and very clear.


Muhammadans, none the less, follow the Sunna of Muhammad by claiming that he is greater than Moses and gentler than Jesus and that his message is the only true one since those of the Jews and Christians have been falsified and or corrupted.


They, understandably, none the less, cannot explain how it is possible that Allah 'talked to Moses directly' but did not do so to the allegedly greatest of all the prophets, Muhammad.


Instead, he received his 'revelations' indirectly and second hand through the Hebrew angel, Gabriel. They cannot refute or explain away the fact that the 'traditions' provide for the individual Quranic verses an enormous variety of interpretations and historical situations.


Almost all of the historical narratives in the Quran are echoes, derivatives or altered versions of those found in the Torah and Hebrew Scriptures. Not a single shred of evidence to bolster their spurious claims can be found to substantiate all the preposterous assertions made by Arab and Muhammadan scholars that pre Muhammad Arab tradition had knowledge of the characters and stories of the Torah.


It is a fact that the Quran itself repeatedly asserts, that the pagan Arabs, including Muhammad, were totally 'unlearned' [ummiyoon] and 'illiterate' of previous revelations.


The Quran is replete with SERIOUS ERRORS pertaining to histories, names, places, grammar and events that run into the hundreds.


The Biblical stories in the Quran are shorn of their extensive original narrative and are presented in a very dry and truncated form. The Quran is a testament to Muhammad's very vivid but definitely not creative imagination in story telling.


Muhammad has a proclivity for the use of dramatic dialogue peppered with invented words and verbs to rhyme but with a minimal sense for drama or action. The successive episodes and events are similar, with ad nauseum repetitive harangues, uninspiring and very boring.


In fact, the manner in which the Quran is written presupposes that the reader/listener should have a goodly and prior knowledge of some of the Biblical events since without the detailed interpretations of the verses - based on the Ahadith - it would be impossible for any reader or listener to understand its meaning or comprehend its stories even if one were a master of the Arabic language.


The ordinary pagan Arab could not at all have been interested in Noah, Moses, Job etc. but only if the Quranic message was directed towards the People of the Book
- especially in the Madina - would that have had any relevance.


If the message of the Quran is supposed to be eternal and unalterable, then many laws, rules and precepts that could have been applicable in its time are archaic in the modern, for example:


a) The rules and regulations controlling the rights, the manner of dress and work practices of women are their disfranchisement are repugnant in today's light. The discrmination against women is serious, onerous and unacceptable both morally and legally and could not have been the product of any compassionate and egalitarian divinity.


Even the verses of the Quran which were fair towards women at the beginning of Muhammad's perceived mission, were later ABROGATED in favour of men. Women in the Quran are reduced to the level of chattel and as the harbingers of evil.


It is a fact that even today, over 50% of the Muhammadans in the world, all females, are perceived as stupid creatures and treated with degradation, contempt and discrimination.


They exist in the Muhammadan world at the beck and call of men, for their pleasure and sexual gratification, for procreation, for taking care of the children and for keeping the home.


b) If the Quran were truly superior to previous revelations, then the rules and regulations pertaining to SLAVERY should have been abolished instead of being perpetuated. They cannot be applicable to any class in the modern and humane societies of today.


c) The Quranic injunctions to mercilessly kill and destroy all UNBELIEVERS
"In the Name of Allah" - in MOST of its 114 Suras - leaves one with a very hard time finding evidence of Allah's Compassion and Mercy. In fact, the Quran is full of judgement and hate but with very little mercy or compassion.


There are many more such incompatibilities in the Quran that can only prove, that
its actual legislation was a MAN MADE guiding light in its time but that it should and must change with the evolution of human society.


Contrary to all the false assertions of Muhammadan scholars, it is a fact that the Quran by itself does not give specific guidance or details to its followers about prayers, pilgrimage, fasting, punishment, alms etc and that in the end its believers have no choice but to resort to finding them in Traditions/Ahadith (Sunna) as to what Muhammad had said and done or was allegedly reported to have said and done during his lifetime.


This vast accumulation of genuine, partly true and many totally spurious traditions were assimilated, digested and put together in a collection of books called Ahadith of which six are considered canonical:


Sahih Bukhari (d.256/870)
Sahih Muslim (d. 261/ 875)
Sunan Ibn Maja (d. 273/886)
Sunan Abu Dawood (d. 275/888)
Jami' al Tarmidi (d. 279/892)
Sunan al Nasi (d. 303/915)


The narrative of the Quran displays a preoccupation with three major topics:


Previous Prophets
Law


Final Judgement


The stories of the prophets are recounted in the Quran with invariably the same theme:


A prophet is selected by Allah


the prophet confronts his people


they reject him


they are destroyed as a punishment


by Allah's mercy, the prophet and any believers are saved


The moral being that Allah's message will endure forever and always triumphs over unbelief. This theme is repeated in the cases of Noah, Salih, Hud Abraham, Lot, Shuayb and Moses.


Most of the 'revelations' of the Quran were 'MADE to ORDER' by Muhammad since these 'revelations' invariably 'descended' AFTER an EVENT had occurred to either justify or explain it for and at the convenience of Muhammad.


The Ahadith are replete with stories that assert this conclusion.


The last Surah of the Quran - Hadith Bukhari 6:129 is the Bara'a and the last verse is 4:176 in Surah Al Nisa.


In the Hadith Tirmidi 2830 according to Umar ibn al Khattab, it was about USURY but Muhammad died without having expounded it.


The Ahadith themselves attest to the fact that there were originally SEVEN versions of the Quran before six were destroyed and only one canonised by Uthman; this shows an incredible level of contempt for the 'words of Allah'.


At the very beginning of 'Islam', the Quran was being memorised and not yet compiled into a written form especially since as long as Muhammad was alive and receiving 'revelations' - over a period of 23 years - new Suras were being added and others were being revised and or abrogared.


When Muhammad died, there existed no singular codex of the Quranic text, that is, there was not in existence any collection of 'revelations' in a Final Review form. Also, there was not a single memoriser who knew all the verses of the Quran; all these verses were scattered in the memories of tens of Huffaz, memorisers.


Without a doubt, Muhammad failed utterly in his primary mission of giving his followers a SINGLE Scripture because in reality he died without authenticating a unified codex of the Quran. The fact that he left his followers with SEVEN modes/versions of the Quran, speaks volumes about his failure.


The consequences of this failure became paramount when his followers were reciting different versions of the alleged 'words of Allah'. This failure has endured-and continues - for the last 1400 years. All attempts by his present followers to gloss over this fact are doomed to fail since the records of the Muhammadan scholars in the centuries after his death attest to otherwise.


After his death and as the memorisers (Huffath), were becoming extinct through death in battle or otherwise, Umar ibn al Khattab, recommended that it should be committed to writing. Abu Bakr entrusted the task to Zayd ibn Thabit of al Madina who used to be Muhammad's secretary.


The scattered portions of the Quran were collected from the ribs of palm leaves, tablets of white stone and from the breasts of men.
(Biography of Zayd bin Thabit; Bukhari Hadith 6:201).


All were brought together and a text was constructed. From the above quotes, it means that the pagan Arabs had not by then mastered the art of writing or the use of writing materials such as clay, papyrus, metal sheets or even skins of animals. The Arabs of the Hijaz - contrary to all the efforts of Muhammadan propaganda - were mostly illiterate and uneducated people.


In 651, Uthman bin Affan, canonised the Madina codex and ordered all others
(at least four other versions of the Quran) DESTROYED. If it were true that there were many 'memorisers' of the Quran, why then did they need to collect the Quranic verses from diverse and unrelated 'documents' such as leafstalk, bone, parchments as well as the memories of men?


What is also blatantly problematic to the Muhammadan scolars is the varaiations in the several extant Qurans of the time making it impossible to tell which version is the alleged 'word of Allah', since 'his word' should have been only ONE and not several.


In fact, there were several metropolitan codices in Arabia, Syria and Iraq with divergent readings blamed on the defective nature of Kufic script which contained no vowels, and so the consonants of verbs could be read as actives or passives, and, worse still, many of the consonants themselves could not be distinguished without diacritical dots which were afterwards added.


Moreover, a further problem which complicated the correct compilation of the Quran is the fact that there were verses which were spoken in Madina but were included in suras which began in Mecca, and vise versa.


The problem that existed and persisted during the life- time of Muhammad for his followers is the fact, that for as long as he was alive, new 'revelations' - whereby the omniscient Allah was nonetheless allegedly changing his mind - were very conveniently being added to and some subtracted from the earlier ones (Abrogated and Abrogating verses which affected 71 of the 114 Suras of the Quran).


This is why at the time of Muhammad's death there existed no singular codex of the
'sacred text'. It is also reported that some major parts of a Sura were eaten by a domestic animal.


Another Sura, that of Al Rajm, was alleged by Umar ibn al Khattab to have existed but is not included in the Quran.


The final text of the Quran was actually fixed in 933AD.
Since the Quran is supposed to be the word of Allah - who is the one who taught Moses the Torah - then the only and unmistakable conclusion for the enormous inconsistencies and differences between them must be because it was the Muhammadans who corrupted the Quran to suit their own agenda. The criminal invariably projects upon his victim his own hatreds, shortcomings and lack of morality and justice; so do the Arab and Muhammadan 'theologians'.


They have conspired over the centuries - and even at the present - to control all the information that they pass on to the 'believers' by perpetuating the myth of the perfect and divine Quran contrary to the historical, philological and theological records that prove it to be otherwise.


In fact, the greatest threat to Muhammadan 'Islam' is the acquisition of knowledge, especially of the Bible, by the masses of 'believers'.


Of 114 Suras in the Quran, only 43 were not changed . All the others had verses that were either abrogated or abrogating; this means that in the course of 23 years of Muhammad's mission, Allah changed his mind at least 71 times.


In summation, the following historical and theological facts are crystal clear and indisputable:


a) The greatest number of 'traditions' and fetishes of the 'Muslims' are nothing but a continuance, a re-packaging and 'Islamization' of pagan rites and actions that pre-existed Muhammad and his Quran.


b) Almost all the precepts and concepts of importance in the Quran have been plagiarised, plundered, pirated and/or perverted from the Hebrew Bible and Scriptures (Talmud, Midrashim etc.) ,from the New Testament and Apocrypha, from pagan Arabian religion and also from Zoroasterian religion and traditions.


Abu'l Fath Muhammad Shahrestani (479/1086-548/1153), in his valuable book on sects and religions (al Melal wa'lNihal) asserts that many of the rites and duties of 'Islam' are continuations and practices which the pagan Arabs had adopted from the Jews.


c) Even if Muhammad were illiterate (not able to read or write), does not negate his ability to compose and recite prose and or poetry. Most of the poets of Arabia were illiterate but masters of the spoken language.


The oral poetic tradition of the Arabs was their greatest legacy since they left almost nothing in the form of writing thus proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that poetry and prose in Arabia was completely independent from literacy.


d) Muhammad was surrounded by, and in intimate contact with people who professed other religions such as the Jews, Christians (North Arabian, South Arabian, Ethiopian), Sabeans, Zoroasterians and Hanifs to name a few. The Quran is full of references copied from each of the above.


e) The Quran is only a tossed salad bowl of stories, concepts and precepts plagiarised, plundered, pirated and or perverted at will from the beliefs of other peoples, to suit Muhammad's agenda of inventing a suitable Scripture for his fellow pagan Arabs to equal if not rival those of the People of the Book.


No copy of any masterpiece, no matter how well done it may be, can ever equal to, let alone surpass an original.


f) The followers of Muhammad can try their best to obfuscate, contort, pervert and twist the facts to 'prove' otherwise, but it is a Mission Impossible to accomplish.


That is why when they cannot counter the truth with facts or logic, they invariably resort to violence to silence their opponents just as was done earlier by Muhammad.


g) One of the most remarkable omissions in the Quran - as 'descended' to Muhammad - is the complete absence of any of the names of the most important women in the Bible, in the context of the Quranic stories:


Eve, the wife of Adam and the mother of mankind;
Sarah, the wife of Abraham;
Hagar, the mother of Ishmael (the alleged father of the Arabs).


This is due to the fact that Muhammad had an extremely low opinion of the female gendre as shown in the Ahadith (otherwise he had a very healthy appetite to have sex with females from the age of nine upwards).


h) The so-called Arabic Quran contains at least 118 words of paramount and vital importance that are actually totally foreign and are derived from Hebrew, Aramean, Ethiopic, Syriac, Greek, Persian and Sanskrit to name just a few.


i) Neither the Quran's eloquence nor its legal and moral precepts are miraculous since they are copies and variations from the concepts and ideas of the religions of other peoples.


In most Muhammadan countries, male children under the age of ten are required to learn by heart its 6236 verses. This prodigious feat is accomplished at the expense of their reasoning faculty which often stretches their minds to their limit by the effort to memorise it, thus reducing them to the level of a parrot since they have little left for serious thought and understanding.


Muhammadan scholars can rightly point out that the Bible itself has a lot to answer for regarding the death and destruction of other peoples in pursuit of the
Promised Land. They none the less deliberately and foolishly ignore the following facts:


1 The Biblical bloody events were sanctioned by the Almighty to befall a very limited number of peoples, in a small area of land and in a short space of time.


Neither Moses nor Jesus ordained or demanded the death and destruction of all other Unbelievers - men, women and children - everywhere on the surface of the Earth for eternity; unlike the hundreds of verses of the Quran that intruct this.


2 Although the Bible has several extremely harsh punishments to be meted out to those who break some of its precepts, the Rabbis were intelligent, judicious and merciful enough to adapt to changing circumstances and not to become fossilised and in the end extinct.


They did not follow every rule that allowed for the death sentence but made it more merciful even though they were the words of God, so as to adapt and evolve with the changing circumsatnces and requirements of different civilized societies.


This ability to change that the Jewish sages in their wisdom were able to achieve, is inconceivable and totally lacking in the minds and culture of the 'religious' followers of Muhammad. They are incapable and/ or unwilling to change a single rule in the Quran which they consider inviolate despite the fact that they follow items in the Sunna which contradict the Quran.


Unfortunately for the ordinary followers of Muhammad, - the immense majority - they do not have such intelligent theological leaders but on the contrary they have the most archaic, unbending and totally fixated demagogues instead, who believe that all of the Quran's commands are valid for all time, under any and every circumstance.


3 All the acts of murder, pillage, enslavement and wanton destruction committed by 'Christians' over the centuries, cannot be attributed to a single verse in the Gospels that can justify any of them.


The New Testament after all, is the one that demands from the followers of Jesus to "Turn the other cheek" and to "love thy enemy".


This is of course in total contrast to the numerous precepts and instructions for perpetual death and destruction to the 'unbelievers' that fill the Quran.


4 Although the Crusaders fought with the sign of the cross on their shields, not one of them could cite - nor did they - words from Jesus justifying their massacres and slaughter of civilians unlike the followers of Muhammad who can, based upon numerous verses that Muhammad's Quran ordained in the name of a totally innocent Allah.


It is imperative to point out to the readers, that the Quran is not the history of the Arabian peoples nor is it the history of Arabia, because it is actually a record of stories about an individual leader, Muhammad, his family, his relatives and his followers within the Peninsula.


On the other hand, the religious significance of the Hebrew Bible resides in the fact that it ties it to the history of a single people and the geographical actuality of a single land.


1: 2 A Book revealed unto thee so let thy heart be oppressed no more by any difficulty on that account that with it thou mightest warn (the erring) and teach the believers.

29: 45 Recite what is sent of the Book by inspiration to thee and establish Regular Prayer: for Prayer restrains from shameful and unjust deeds; and remembrance of Allah is the greatest (thing in life) without doubt. And Allah knows the (deeds) that ye do.


*** All verses in the Quran that speak of it as a Book are wrong and deceiving since the Quran was never in book form while Muhammad was alive***


Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 3.601 Narrated byUmar bin Al Khattab
I heard Hisham bin Hakim bin Hizam reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to that of mine. Allah's Apostle had taught it to me (in a different way). So, I was about to quarrel with him (during the prayer) but I waited till he finished, then I tied his garment round his neck and seized him by it and brought him to Allah's Apostle and said, "I have heard him reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to the way you taught it to me." The Prophet ordered me to release him and asked Hisham to recite it. When he recited it, Allah's Apostle said, "It was revealed in this way." He then asked me to recite it. When I recited it, he said, "It was revealed in this way. The Qur'an has been revealed in seven different ways, so recite it in the way that is easier for you."


*** Only when it came to 'revelations' to Muhammad was Allah inconsistent, indecisive and uniquely occupied with the proclivities and needs of his servant and his followers requiring him to change his mind hundreds of times to accommodate them.


The Bible on the other hand, was revealed by the God of Israel in only ONE VERSION to a SLAVE PEOPLE, who were also Unlearned and Illiterate.


As usual with Muhammad, he, the infallible messenger, would not admit fault but blame it all on the unsuspecting Allah***


Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 4.442 Narrated byIbn Abbas
Allah's Apostle said, "Gabriel read the Qur'an to me in one way (i.e. dialect) and I continued asking him to read it in different ways till he read it in seven different ways."


*** This was said by Muhammad to conveniently cover up the fact that he used to forget the contents of many verses, in which Sura he had earlier told his followers they were supposed to be and to whom he had recited them ***


Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 4.709 Narrated byAnas
Uthman called Zaid bin Thabit, Abdullah bin Az-Zubair, Said bin Al-'As and 'AbdurRahman bin Al-Harith bin Hisham, and then they wrote the manuscripts of the Holy Qur'an in the form of book in several copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi persons: " If you differ with Zaid bin Thabit on any point of the Qur'an, then write it in the language of Quraish, as the Qur'an was revealed in their language." So they acted accordingly. (Said bin Thabit was an Ansari and not from Quraish ).


*** This statement shows that beyond a shadow of a doubt, the language of the Arabs in the Peninsula was not monolithic but had numerous dialects and differences, contray to all of Muhammadan Muslims assertions ***


Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 6.507 Narrated byAnas bin Malik
(The Caliph 'Uthman ordered Zaid bin Thabit, Said bin Al-As, 'Abdullah bin Az-Zubair and 'Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Harith bin Hisham to write the Qur'an in the form of a book (Mushafs) and said to them, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit (Al-Ansari) regarding any dialectic Arabic utterance of the Quran, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, for the Qur'an was revealed in this dialect." So they did it.


Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 6.509 Narrated byZaid bin Thabit
Abu Bakr As-Siddiq sent for me when the people of Yamama had been killed (i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against Musailama). (I went to him) and found 'Umar bin Al-Khattab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), "Umar has come to me and said:


'Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the Qur'an (i.e. those who knew the Quran by heart) on the day of the Battle of Yamama, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I suggest, you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur'an be collected." I said to 'Umar, "How can you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" 'Umar said, "By Allah, that is a good project." 'Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allah opened my chest for it and I began to realize the good in the idea which 'Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). 'You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Apostle. So you should search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur'an and collect it in one book)." By Allah if they had ordered me to shift one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to collect the Qur'an. Then I said to Abu Bakr, "How will you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allah, it is a good project." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allah opened my chest for what He had opened the chests of Abu Bakr and 'Umar.


So I started looking for the Qur'an and collecting it from (what was written on) palmed stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, till I found the last Verse of Surat At-Tauba (Repentance) with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him.
The Verse is:


"Verily there has come unto you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty, (till the end of Surat-Baraa' (At-Tauba). (9.128-129) Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with 'Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of 'Umar.


Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 6.510 Narrated byAnas bin Malik
Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'Abdur-Rahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Said bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' " (33.23)


In conclusion, the followers of Muhammad, contrary to all proofs and logic, reject the universal record of history and the Bible, but assert and believe that ONLY the Quran is true.


While 'Muslims' hold a high view for all scriptures, including the Hebrew Bible and New Testament, they demand a unique and supreme position for the Quran, claiming its ascendancy over all other scriptures, because, according to them, "initially, it was never written down by men and so was never tainted with men's thoughts or styles." it is often referred to as the "Mother of Books" (taken from sura 43:3).


Since the Quran is such a highly honoured book, it is therefore treated as if it, in itself, is holy. To enquire into its source is considered blasphemy. In most mosques, no one would be permitted to let their Quran touch the floor. Instead, every individual is urged to use ornately decorated book-stands to rest their Quran on while reading from its contents.


Muhammadans look with disfavour and are horrified to learn that Christians not only stack their Bibles alongside other lesser books, but that they write notes in the margins as well. The function of the Quran, then, seems to be in opposition to that of the Bible. This points out another clear distinction between the two faiths view on revelation.


Men and young boys who are able to memorise the Quran are highly revered due to their ability to quote, from memory, any passage from the Quran (and thus have the title of Hafidth). This can is achieved by great numbers of Muhammadan Muslims who do not understand any Arabic since memorising does not require understanding or comprehension. Although it requires years of memorising, merit is found in the rote reading of the Quran in Arabic, and not in its message.


Most Muhammadan Muslims who are not Arab or even Arabic speakers, extol the beauty of the language of the Quran, can quote certain verses, admire the beauty of the text even though they do not comprehend its contents nor its prose.


It is disconcerting that the "beauty of the Quran" has such an influence, yet its "beauty" seems, in fact, to discourage its understanding, which becomes an enemy to its mystique.


Here then is the key which points to the difference between the scriptures of the People of the Book and that of the Muhammadan Muslims .


The fact that they accord the Quran a place of reverence and worship, while memorizing its contents without necessarily understanding it, sparks of idolatry, the very sin ("Shirk" which the Quran itself warns against, as it elevates an object to the same level of reverence as Allah (suras 4:48; 5:75-76; 41:6).


In much of the Muhammadan Muslim world, leather amulets worn on the body are sold outside the mosques (sometimes called Giri-giri). Within these amulets one can find folded pieces of paper with an aya, or verse from the Quran written on them. These verses supposedly have power to ward off evil spirits and diseases. For them, the very letters of the Quran are imbued with supernatural power.


Christians and Jews stand against this view of God's written word. They believe that the power and authority of scriptures comes not from the paper it is written on, but from the words it expresses.


They believe that the Bible is merely the testimony of God's revelation to humanity, and so is not holy in and of itself. It is a text which must be read and studied, much as a textbook is read and studied in school.

Therefore, its importance lies in its content, rather than in its physical pages, just as a newspaper is read and thrown away, though the news it holds may remain imprinted on the readers mind for years to come.


Perhaps, the criticism by Muhammadans that Christians and Jews abuse the Bible is a result of this misunderstanding of its purpose. Once one understands that the significance of the scriptures as nothing more than a repository of God's word, one can then understand why Christians and Jews feel no injunction against writing in its margins, or against laying it on the floor (though most of them would not do so out of respect for its message).


The high regard for the Quran carries over into other areas as well, some of which need to be discussed at this time.


", It no more proves its inspiration than a man's strength demonstrates his wisdom, or a woman's beauty, her virtue. Only by its teachings, its principles, and content can a book be judged rightly; not by its eloquence, elegance, or poetic strength"
(Shorrosh 1988:192).


Whereas the Bible contains much historical narrative, the Quran contains very little. Whereas the Bible goes out of its way to explain unfamiliar terminology or territory, the Quran remains silent.


In fact, the very structure of the Bible, consisting of a library of 66 books, written over a period of 1,500 years, reveals that it is ordered according to chronology, subject and theme.


The Quran, on the other hand, reads more like a jumbled and confused collection of statements and ideas, interposed many times with little relationship to the preceding chapters and verses.


Many scholars admit that it is so haphazard in its make-up that it requires the utmost sense of duty for anyone to plow through it.


The German secular scholar Salomon Reinach in his harsh analysis, states that:


"From the literary point of view, the Koran has little merit. Declamation, repetition, puerility, a lack of logic and coherence strike the unprepared reader at every turn. It is humiliating to the human intellect to think that this mediocre literature has been the subject of innumerable commentaries, and that millions of men are still wasting time in absorbing it."
(Reinach 1932:176)
McClintock and Strong's encyclopedia concludes that:


The matter of the [Koran] is exceedingly incoherent and sententious, the book evidently being without any logical order of thought either as a whole or in its parts. This agrees with the desultory and incidental manner in which it is said to have been delivered.
(McClintock and Strong 1981:151)


Even the Muslim scholar Dashti laments the literary defects of the Quran, saying:


"Unfortunately the Qur'an was badly edited and its contents are very obtusely arranged."


He concludes that:


"All students of the Qur'an wonder why the editors did not use the natural and logical method of ordering by date of revelation, as in 'Ali ibn Taleb's BURNT copy of the text"
[Dashti 1985:28].


The Quran, supposedly 'revealed' to just one man, Muhammad, during a span of a mere 23 years, seems to go nowhere and says little outside of the personal and political affairs of himself and his companions at one particular time in history.


With no logical connection from one sura to the next, one is left with a feeling of incompleteness, waiting for the story to give some meaning. Is it no wonder that many find it difficult to take seriously the claim by the Hadith that the Quran is
"a book second to none in the world," worthy of divine inspiration?


I end this section with a quote from an expert on the Quran, Dr. Tisdall, who says:


"The Qur'an breathes the air of the desert, it enables us to hear the battle-cries of the Prophet's followers as they rushed to the onset, it reveals the working of Muhammad's own mind, and shows the gradual declension of his character as he passed from the earnest and sincere though visionary enthusiast into the conscious imposter and open sensualist."
(Tisdall; Original Sources of the Quran, p27)


According to Muhammadan Muslims the Quran is the final revelation from Allah. In Arabic the Quran is also referred to as 'Al-Kitab' (the book), 'Al-furkan'
(the distinction), 'Al-mas'haf' (from Ethiopic; the scroll), and 'Al-dikhr'
(the warning), as well as other names.


For those who like statistics, you may be interested to know that the Quran consists of:


114 chapters (suras), made up of 30 parts


6,616 [6236 according to others] verses (ayat)


77,943 words, and 338,606 letters.


According to Islamic scholars 86 of the suras were revealed in Mecca, while 28 suras were revealed in Madina.


Whilst the Mosaic Law (Torah) was given to Moses at Mount Sinai which is Granite, and so were the Tablets that were written by the Finger of God, the Quran on the other hand, was 'revealed' to Muhammad in the sands of the Arabian Desert.


It had to be collated and collected from the memories of mortals, from bones, from paper, from tree bark and from chalk and written down 25 years after its beginnings; its contents are as changeable as the sands of the Arabian Desert; without a proper beginning, a middle or an ending.


Unlike the Torah, the Quran's foundations are built on Quicksand, not appropriate for solid foundations and hence is unstable, unsafe and unreliable just like a desert Mirage.





POINTS to PONDER-


After having studied the Quran and Ahadith in depth and detail, the following observations can be made for the readers to ponder:-


1 The text of the Quran is written in a manner that assumes having a lot of knowledge of the Biblical tradition. It is impossible for any of its readers to comprehend it without this prior acquaintance.


2 As pointed out previously, the subject matter and topics within each Surah changes rapidly, without due thought or regard to continuity or logical connection.


3 There are numerous and unexplainable inconsistencies in theological themes, law and grammar.


4 There are repeated duplications within individual Surahs as well as between different ones as if the author is running out of new topics to add.


5 These differences are due to editing by various writers and by tampering with the text in its original form.


6 There are numerous ancient manuscripts of the Quran of the 8th century both from the Great Mosque of Sana, the Qurawiyun Manuscript from the mosque in Fez, and other ancient Qurans around the world, show beyond any doubt that the Quran that we have today is substantially different from what it was in the years just after the death of Muhammad.


7 From the authors about the life Muhammad beginning with Muhammad ibn Ishaq (c. 780 CE) and others following him, there are major and extremely important theological, historical and narrative discrepancies that Muhammadan Muslim theologians do their best to ignore and remove from published literature because they reflect very badly upon the interpretations that they claim to be true but in realty are blatantly false.


8 Numerous misrepresentations of the meaning of several important verses, have been turned into 'inviolate' doctrines that impinge directly and negatively on the manner Muhammadans view themselves vis a vis the rest of the world. Examples are the deliberately falsified interpretations of 9:28 and 17:1 which are used by fundamentalist Muhammadans to justify their enmity and hatred of none-Muslims and their unsubstantiated claims to Jerusalem.


9 Based entirely upon analysing and carefully researching the old manuscripts - for their grammatical, linguistic and textual construct - an important and vital conclusion is arrived at which indicates that contrary to Muhammadan theological and 'traditional' beliefs, there was no firm oral tradition running parallel to the written Quran.


10 There are numerous 'problematic' verses in the Quran such as those of plural verbs with singular subjects.


11 The manner in which the imperative 'Qul' is used in the manuscript as well as 'Qala', indicates the possibility that the Quran in earlier times was believed to be the word of Muhammad speaking and not Allah.


12 It took three centuries after the death of Muhammad before his followers turned the Quran as the 'word of Allah' into a dogma; in this manner, it became impossible - heretical, punishable with death - to challenge or doubt its 'divine' origin and hence conveniently avoid explaining the important grammatical, structural, historical and theological problems in the text of the Quran.


13 Muhammadan theologians use circular logic to 'prove' the 'divine' origin and alleged inimitability of the Quranic text. They fail to explain the fact, that the histories in the Quranic text are all mixed up and intermingled; this in itself is evidence that uncomprehending human hands have caused the discrepancies, the alterations and the editing. These hands cut out or added whatever they disliked or liked. In fact, it is the literary state of the Quran itself that can be shown as proof of its none-divine origin.


14 The historical and recorded existence of the Satanic Verses cast a gigantic shadow upon the veracity and 'divine' origin of the Quran especially with the enormous number of Abrogated and Abrogating Surahs (verses that were either modified or taken out completely).


The Almighty and the Divine would not have to change His 'mind' as time and situations change. The Almighty, by definition, is prescient and all knowing and hence 'already' knows the answers without having to change instructions to suit changing situations.


15 Since there has never been found any written Arabic text in any way shape or form to compare the Quran with, it is then impossible to evaluate whether or not the manner in which the Quran is written is based upon precedence.


Pagan Arabia was almost totally devoid of any written records on any material, not even on stone or clay. They were among the most illiterate peoples of the Middle East, but among the best in Oral deliveries.


16 There are no coins or documents or any other records that mention the Hijrah date in the seventh century. This must have become the standard after the establishment of the Arab Empire for the purposes of correspondence when Islam became the State Religion.


17 It was invariably Muhammad and his followers who broke the treaties that they 'signed' with the other tribes: the Jews of Medina, Mecca and other places, the Quraysh of Mecca, the Christians of Najran and others.


It was Muhammad and his followers who invariably violated the sanctity of the Forbidden Months to ambush the caravans of the Quraysh. All the treaties that he signed were for temporary purposes only to give him time to consolidate and then to unilaterally break them. Umar ibn al Khattab followed exactly the same methodology when he became Khalifa.


18 It was Muhammad who attacked the unsuspecting Quraysh caravan at Badr in the month of Ramadhan 624. It was he who unilaterally abrogated his treaty of Hudaybiyya of 628 with the Quraysh. They honoured the treaty in 629 but he violated it in 630 by attacking and occupying Mecca.


19 It was Muhammad who turned upon the Jews of Medina who gave him protection by dispossessing them of their lands and their wealth, forcing some to convert and later murdering or exiling the remainder.


20 For every one of these actions Muhammad justified with a MADE to ORDER 'Aya' that was very conveniently 'revealed and descended' by Allah AFTER the event and in hindsight.


21 The historical 'record' of the rise of 'Islam' is fraught with discrepancies and inaccuracies. Dates of events that were 'fixed' as accurate in later centuries, were not shown or recorded in the earliest of the Islamic records and narratives; this plainly means that they were 'added' in as was necessary by later 'authors' without any of them having any foundations in 'fact'. In this manner, Muhammadan theologians were able to 'clearly' interpret very vague, unsubstantiated and unclear passages of the Quran.


22 The greatest damage to the Quran - and its evolution - was perpetrated by the early 'Muslim' theologians. They changed it from a vibrant and pliable religious guide to a petrified, unchanging and uncompromising one.


They have forced all 'Muslims' to live in the constrained era of Muhammad and the past without allowing them a path for progress and change. They condmned the followers of Muhammad to the TWILIGHT ZONE of a TIME WARP fixed in the Seventh Century.


23 If the Quran were truly a superior and more advanced theological book than the Torah and the New Testament, why then does it allow


a) the practice of slavery to be continued?


b) The increased discrimination and under-privilege of women?


c) The inhumane punishment for theft? etc.


24 Almost every verse of 'revelation' that was initiated by Muhammad was done in the depth of dark nights - invariably without other independent witnesses - and in response to a specific event, a personal need or action taken by him to justify them. All the traditions that the pagan Arabs had before Islam were made 'HALAL' by Muhammad in 'revelation' after 'revelation' as the occasions required.


Being the only one who was communicating with the angel Gabriel on a daily basis for almost
23 years, it is not much of a wonder that Muhammad was able to cover all occasions and events as and when they suited him.


It was all diabolically simple, ingenious and totally infallible. Even when he did make a serious mistake such as the direction of the Qiblah and the Satanic Verses, he was able to get away with them by producing instantly 'revised' versions.


Those whom Muhammad was duping were after all illiterate, gullible, superstitious and simpleton pagans who became awed by his hallucinations and stories of how he had direct and intimate contacts with Gabriel the Angel/Messenger of the most important god of pagan Mecca, Allah.


He regaled them with promises of incredible pleasures in Paradise if and when they died for "Allah and his messenger". It was always the case of associating Allah with his messenger, so much so, that Allah became a vehicle to elevate Muhammad to the level of the Divine in the eyes of his followers.


25 The same interpreter and other interpreters of the Quran - who quote from Western intellectuals who critique the Bible - use from them whatever suits their nefarious purposes to inflict damage, aspersions and calumny upon the Jews and Christians, but would NEVER accept any similar criticism of their beliefs.


26 The followers of Muhammad are definitely KUFFAR because they invoke the name of Allah in vain and in causes inciting and glorifying death and destruction and not peace, not compassion nor mercy. Moreover they are KUFFAR because only a KAFFIR murders other 'Muslim' believers such as the Jews.


27 Muhammad was morbidly obsessed with the Hereafter in terms not found among the Jews or the Christians.


28 There is no logical or fair way that one can show beyond a reasonable doubt, which of the Hadith stories are TRUE since all of them depend on hear-say, conjecture, failed memories, fertile imagination, editing, interpolation and lies propagated over 150-250 yeas after the death of Muhammad; all of these are made legitimate by attributing to them the aura of 'divine' inspirations.


29 Muhammad was extremely SUPERSTITIOUS believing in the Evil Eye, Satan, Evil Spirits etc. that are reflected in numerous verses of the Quran.


30 Muhammad believed totally in the purification powers of WATER irrespective of it being stagnant or flowing. As usual, he did not appreciate the Biblical injunction of RUNNING water because his understanding of cleanliness was far below that of the Jewish tradition.


31 Muhammad had so fully convinced himself of his mission as the messenger of Allah, that he had no humility in this regard and would countenance no disobedience or opposition from anyone. His arrogance knew no bounds and was the opposite to the characters of Moses or Abraham. His self-delusion was total and 'real'. He always addressed himself and encouraged his followers to use the title
'the apostle of Allah'.


32 It should not be a great wonder as to why he received so many followers, since they were promised and allowed all the following as long as they believe in
'Allah and his apostle':

1. Paradise is theirs for the taking


2. They are allowed booty (enemy enslavement), rape and pillage to their hearts' desires as long as they shared them fairly with their 'brother' pirates


3. Muhammadan men are promised eternal carnal and sensual pleasures - with 72 virgins each- if they died fighting for Allah & Muhammad (Jihad)


4. In real life, the men are allowed 4 wives who have to be submissive to their desires and will and who could be divorced and/or beaten without reason and at will


5. All crimes committed against any and all 'none believers' resulted in no or very little punishment.


Most crimes were

vedaxcool:

^^^^^
You points on the alleged contradictions only shows how porous your arguments actually are, you could not even given us references to what you are exactly talking about, but again this vessel of contradictions failed to even make sound rational arguments.

Sweetnecta, In please take it easy oh! this guy is about to loose it totally, the truth seems to hurt more than molten lead! one should laugh at an individual that believes another human who shouted "My lord My Lord why have thou forsaken me", if this is the MAN you expect to save you then elements of common sense seems misplaced in your thinking.

you and your muhammedan brother sweetnecta are the most porous people on earth. I have given references before. All you do is deny facts and try to miscontrued the truth.

@sweetnecta:
Osama Bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi are true muslims because they are practising what Islam truly is. Muslims are commanded to hate christians and never take them as friends. Christians and Jews are referred to pigs and apes in the muslim books (Quran)

@sweetnecta :

You are just like any other muhammedan who will do anything to lie and deny facts about the what islam truly is. Let me tell you what Al-Taqiyyah truly is.
It is the Muhammadan Muslim doctrine and practice, (Self Protection; Religious Dissimulation; Concealment; Disguise; Deception; Subterfuge) whereby it is considered acceptable to CONCEAL one's true ALLEGIANCE and even IDENTITY in the face of perceived adversity.
It was Muhammad who 1400 years ago, unilaterally declared TOTAL WAR against all those who do not believe as he did, the UNBELIEVERS. He asserted repeatedly, that the most important and fundamental ART of war is, DECEPTION.

The word "al-Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies at a time of perceived imminent danger, whether now or later in time, to save oneself from physical and/or mental injury.

Rejecting al-Taqiyya is rejecting the Quran, as will be shown.

Reference 1:


Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti in his book, "al-Durr al-Manthoor Fi al-Tafsir al- Ma'athoor," narrates Ibn Abbas - who is the MOST renowned and trusted narrator of tradition in the sight of the Sunnis - regarding his opinion of al-Taqiyyain the Quranic verse:


Ali Imran 3:28 Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers; if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution that ye may guard yourselves from them (tattaqoo). But Allah cautions you [touqatan] (to remember) Himself for the final goal is to Allah.


that Ibn Abbas said:


"al-Taqiyya is with the tongue only; he who has been COERCED into saying that which angers Allah and his heart is comfortable (i.e., his TRUE faith has NOT been shaken.), then (saying that which he has been coerced to say) will NOT harm him (at all); (because) al-Taqiyya is with the tongue only, (NOT the heart)."

In today's terms for instance, they argue that:


Jihad is actually the 'struggle' of the spirit; that the 'extremists' are the aberration and not the norm;


that 'fundamentalists' do not represent 'true Islam';


that 'Islam' is a religion of 'peace' even though almost 90% of all of today's world conflicts are instigated and perpetrated by 'muslims;


that 'Islam' is a 'tolerant religion' when in fact all UNBELIEVERS are not allowed to publicly and freely express their religious beliefs anywhere in almost 50 'islamic' states in the world;


that 'Islam' is pro democratic when neither the women in 'islam' nor other 'non believers' are allowed even a semblance of freedoms or rights of the dignity of 'man' under the recognised and universal 'Human Rights Charter', etc etc,


In the present day, just as they did in the past, Fundamentalist Muhammadan Muslims use this 'theological loophole' as a means of infiltration and subterfuge to absolve Muslim terrorists and members of suicide squads from looking like observant Muslims so as to be able to blend among the populace of the nations they are targeting and not cause suspicion or attention to be paid to them.


This process allows the Muhammadans - who are absolved of all wrong doing - to bend to foreign authority, and are even allowed to make terms with it for as long as they are weak until such time that they can overthrow or destroy it.


The principle of Taqiya allows the ignorant and unwary politician/statesman to fall into the deadly trap of trusting the words, the signiature or any form of agreement made with a 'muslim'. He neither realises nor conceives that all these procedures and agreements are totally meaningless since the signiatory to the agreement, the Muhammadan, has absolutely no intention of honouring them in the long term.


They are only means to an end; the END of the gullible non believer who signed them.


When dealing with a 'muslim' statesman or diplomat, the real issue is not what he says or means but actually what he intends to do 'in his heart', which is of course unfathomable.

@sweetnecta:

The Quran is not from God. The Quran is Muhammed's equal opportunity hate mongering book.

You are the greatest disappointment and the father of all who live in Jungles because you are not making any sense. Your own god is a black stone embedded in the corner of Kabah. You better wake up because you are in a deep slumber in this muhammedan cult.


It is a common knowledge that nothing good can ever come from Muhammedan Islam. All we get is violence and denial of facts and a deliberate attempt by people like you to deliberately misconstrued the truth. Your prophet is a despoiler, a paedophile, a mass murderer. In fact Muhammad's Quran, his Sunna, Sharia and his Fundamentalist believers are Hatemongering, Warmongering, Misogynist, Racist, Vile and hence UNGODLY entities.

Your Quran is full of errors. Errors Found Within the Quran:


A) Contradictions With the Bible Which Point to Errors-


Abraham & Ishmael
Ishmael OR Isaac sacrifice?
Moses & Aaron
Yahya
Trinity
Jesus was NOT Crucified ?
Uzair son of God?
Talut OR Joshuah?




B) Internal Contradictions Which Point to Errors-


Mariam/Mary & Imran
Pharaoh & Haman




C) Errors Which Contradict Secular, historical and Scientific Data


Samaritan
Sun sets in a PUDDLE
Issa
Earth is FLAT
Mountains hold Earth in place
Alexander the Great was a Muslim
Several VERSIONS of Creation
Pharaoh's Cross
Other Scientific problems




D) Absurdities-


Mount Sinai lifted OVER the Israelites
Man's Greatness
Seven Earths
Jinns & Shooting Stars
Solomon's power over nature
Youth and dog sleep 309 years
People become apes
Sodom & Gomorrah turned upside-down
Jacob's smell & sight
Night/Day/Sun/Moon are subject to man


E) Grammatical Errors-




F) The EDITED and TAMPERED with Sources of the Quran-




G) MODIFIED Stories which Correspond with the Biblical Accounts-


Cain and Abel
Abraham
Mt Sinai
Solomon and Sheba
Mary, Imran and Zachariah




H) Stories Which DO NOT Correspond with the Biblical Account-


Heaven and Hell
Satan's Refusal to Worship Adam
None death of Jesus
Harut and Marut
The Cave of 7 Sleepers
The Sirat
Jesus's Birth

I can go on and on and on. So stop defending what you know is false. I rest my case.

@sweetnecta :

For us to engage in this type of discussion, please get facts and stop your deliberate denial of facts and veracity. Hagar was NEVER A PRINCESS but Hagar was the mother of Ishmael and the servant of Sarah. Her name - as the mother of the most illustrious forefather of the Arabs - is conspicuously and surprisingly absent from the Quran.


In fact, it appears only once in the interpretations section of 2:158. According to alleged Arab 'traditions', mother and son - in this case as a baby and accompanied in their exile by Abraham - had their thirst quenched at the well of Zamzam, near Mecca, almost 1000 desert miles away from Beer Sheba.


According to the Torah - which is after all the ORIGINAL and ONLY source of the story - they found water near Beersheba and not in the desolation of Arabia near Mecca.


According to alleged Arab traditions - and of course totally unfounded and contrary to the historical .
Muhammed was never a prophet in the first place. He did not possess a single characteristics of a prophet. He was an arab militant, who killed, plundered, looted and enslaved people and booty.

a prophet by definition is one who can predict future events. Moses was able to do that in his confrontaton with Pharaoh while Muhammad NEVER predicted anything.


According to the following hadith, Aisha confirms that Muhammad was not able to predict the future, hence he could not have been a prophet.


Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 6.378 Narrated byMasruq
I said to 'Aisha, "O Mother! Did Prophet Muhammad see his Lord?" 'Aisha said, "What you have said makes my hair stand on end ! Know that if somebody tells you one of the following three things, he is a liar: Whoever tells you that Muhammad saw his Lord, is a liar." Then Aisha recited the Verse:
"No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision. He is the Most Courteous Well-Acquainted with all things." (6.103) "It is not fitting for a human being that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration or from behind a veil." (42.51)


'Aisha further said,


"And whoever tells you that the Prophet knows what is going to happen tomorrow, is a liar." She then recited:


"No soul can know what it will earn tomorrow." (31.34)
She added: "And whoever tells you that he concealed (some of Allah's orders), is a liar." Then she recited: "O Apostle! Proclaim (the Message) which has been sent down to you from your Lord, " (5.67) 'Aisha added, "But the Prophet saw Gabriel in his true form twice."


Tabari 1:181 " The Prophet said 'I was sent immediately before the coming of the
Day of Doom. I preceded it like this one preceding that one' -referring to his index and middle finger"


182 "he said 'Allah will not make this nation [of Islam] incapable of lasting half a day -a day being a thousand years- …Consequently, based upon the Prophet's authority,, what remained of time was half a day that had elapsed to the Prophet's statement corresponds to 6500 years"


*** Based upon Muhammad's prophecy, Dooms Day should have occurred 500 years after this 'revelation' which occured about 610 AD.


Well, as we all know, the year 1110 had passed and we are in the year 2007 AD without the prophecy of the infallible 'Prophet' having come true.


Muhammad's alleged prophesies could be counted on one hand none of which ever came true

@sweetnecta:

I have a feeling you are Olabowale.

call me muhammadan as much as you want. it does not make me less than a muslim, the proper name for those who accept Muhammad [as] as the last of God's Messengers [as]. your calling me muhammadan is smilar to aloy/emeka calling me a she, and will be similar to if i say you are a homosexual. each of them is wrong, unless you are a homosexual, i will be correct. you see how the finger of ignorance and deliberate distortion of facts is pointing directly at you

You are so ridiculous. You are assuming that someone you don't know is an homosexual. Isn't it funny?. In case of aloy/emeka, he is only assuming you are a lady since there is no indication that you are a male from your profile.

Allah did not create me before Ibrahim [as] and Lut [as] left their idolatry tribe people and established Tawhid. Even though I am sure that I am alive before you, both of us have to read the stories and history of Ibrahim and his progeny in books; mine from Quran,Bible and World History Books. To me Quran is absolute revelation and Word of God without word of anyone. If you were read the history and construct the response in your own words, you are not much different from me who read a good piece about the same subject matter and felt that it really doesnt need any summation and present it as is for your benefit. if you are too lazy to read it,just say so instead of this empty grandstanding.

I want to ask you a simple question. The question is : Is Abraham an Arab or an Hebrew ?
Olabowale let me give you the following facts that you don't know because when you know the truth, the truth will set you free.

1 Ishmael was born in Canaan near Beersheba to a Hebrew father and an Egyptian mother.


2 God repeatedly asserts that ONLY Isaac is deemed the Divinely elect son and NOT Ishmael.


3 ONLY the seed of Isaac was to inherit the Blessing of the Promised Land.

4 Ishmael was a teenager of over 14 years of age when he and his mother were sent away from Abraham's tribe and NOT the BABY that the Quran asserts he was.


5 Ishmael and his mother Hagar, resided there after in the 'wilderness of Paran', in southern Canaan, and NEVER in the Arabian Peninsula near the Ka'ba or Mecca.


6 Neither the Ka'ba nor Mecca or Allah are ever mentioned in the Bible. It stands to reason that, if the god of the pagan Arabs, Allah, was the same as the God of Israel, He would have at the very least mentioned their name somewhere in His Torah.


7 Abraham NEVER visited the Ka'ba nor Mecca in the Biblical narrative.


8 Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac had no knowledge of a god called Allah.


9 Abraham, Hagar and the 'baby' Ishmael NEVER went to the Ka'ba or to Mecca according to the ORIGINAL and ONLY Biblical story.


10 Since the Torah, according to the Quran itself, was revealed to Moses by Allah, and is considered DIVINE, it beggars logic and intellect to believe that Allah - if he were the God of Israel - would have revealed TWO CONTRADICTORY VERSIONS OF THE SAME EVENTS.


11 If Ishmael were the elect of Allah instead of Isaac, why were ALL the prophets of the Bible from the seed of Isaac and none from his?


In conclusion, as usual, the Quranic stories are unfounded, untrue, inauthentic and total lies and no follower of Muhammad can, based on ALL the knowledge that is availabe to every one, disprove our accusations and statements .

@sweetnecta :

I 'm laughing at your supreme ignorance 

Have you read Titus chapter 1:4 ? Do you know what it says ?? Please stop these copy and paste from Muhammedan websites  and read facts for yourself.

All the problems we have in the world today are caused by Muhammedans. Allah that you are mentioning, is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Your allah is a black stone embedded in the corner of Kabbah. I rest my case.

@Sweetnecta :

Your problem is IGNORANCE, IGNORANCE, IGNORANCE AND DELIBERATE DENIAL OF FACTS. Which is a trademarks of all Muhammedans today. So I don't expect any good thing to ever come from any muhammedan.

@sweetnecta :

I am not impressed with what you have copied and paste from your Islamic websites. Write things in your own words and from your own brain for God sake.

Israel have been in existence. It was not created. Again you are exposing your advanced ignorance when you talk about Nigeria. Nigeria was a combination of Niger and area. Niger was existing long long before. The only thing you will say is that you don't know.

No where in the whole of the Quran, the Ahadith or all of Arab history is the Land of Palestine or the Palestinian People are mentioned, alluded to or remarked upon.

Zionism is not colonialism but rather an ancient people's deep connection to their native, historical and covenantal land. Real colonialism was and is in reality Arab Imperialism and expansionism.

Nearly 4,000 years ago the forefathers of the Jewish People, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob lived in the land of Israel, which God had promised to them and to their descendants forever. That promise was confirmed at Mount Sinai, and was delivered upon by God through Joshua, after the death of Moses, more than 3,300 years ago when the Israelites entered the land after being liberated from Egyptian slavery and oppression.
About 3,000 years ago King David established Jerusalem as the capital city of the Promised Land. 

No where in the whole of the Biblical records is there mention of the Land of Palestine nor of the Palestinian People. Neither are they mentioned in the Arabic language any where throughout the history of the Arabs until 40 years ago.  The Jews lived in JUDEA, in the Land of Israel for 850 years until their subjugation and the enslavement and the deportation of many of them by the invading Babylonians in 586 BC. They returned in large numbers 70 years afterwards after their liberation by the Persians, and remained continuously in Judea for the next 700 years until the eviction of many of them by the Roman Empire in 135AD.
The Jews lived in JUDEA, in the Land of Israel for 850 years until their subjugation and the enslavement and the deportation of many of them by the invading Babylonians in 586 BC. They returned in large numbers 70 years afterwards after their liberation by the Persians, and remained continuously in Judea for the next 700 years until the eviction of many of them by the Roman Empire in 135AD.

Despite unremitting anti-Semitism and persecution, some Jewish communities managed against great odds to remain in the Promised Land during the long interval between the Roman dispersion and the events leading to the re-establishment of the Jewish State in 1948.


The dispute has never been about Palestinian statehood but really about the destruction of the Jews and the only Jewish State on earth?

@post :

Muslims in the Quran are commanded to hate CHRISTIANS AND THE JEWS. That is the reason why they attack and kill Christians at any slight provocation. And even if they are not provoked, they still attack and kill Christians. Nigeria is a typical example.

So If any one says Muslims don't hate Christians. I think it is Al - Taqiyyah, which the muslims are permitted to use in their Quran, in order to achieve their aim of dominating and suppressing unsuspecting people.

@post :



How many wives did Muhammed married ? After all he is following the footstep of his master ( Muhammed the militant of Saudi Arabia)

Sweetnecta:


The qualities you described in the first 2 bold are traits of humans. no community of people, muslim or others can say there is no one among then in spite of their religiosity that is free from all of them. If you ask a palestinian this very question, he/she will say its the jews who are wicked, vicious, violent, acting with utter stupidity and without common sense.

The reason why I am laughing is because you are exposing your advanced ignorance

Your greatest disease is IGNORANCE. Most people in the Muhammadan Muslim world as well as in the West who support the cause of the Palestinians do not actually know the facts behind the conflict. Three of the greatest tragedies of humanity are IGNORANCE of Facts, the refusal to learn from the BEST teacher of all time: HISTORY and invariably, the escape of the SIMPLEST TRUTHS from their attention.

Since you are more interested in Palestine than Nigeria. I have the following questions to ask you about Palestine and its people :

When was Palestine founded and by whom?

What language did the Palestinians speak?

What writing did they use?


What manuscripts have they left?


What was their religion?


Where are their temples?


What monuments attest to their existence?


What were its borders?


What was the name of its capital?


What were its major cities?


What is the name of the currency that they used?


What was its form of government?


What achievements have they accomplished?


What other peoples did Palestine interact with?


Where can one find any records where in the name of the country of Palestine & its people are mentioned?


What Archaeological sites can one name?


Where can one find the recorded history of these people?


Whom did they conquer or were conquered by?


Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?


Can anyone name at least Five Palestinian leaders before Arafat?


And, finally, since there is no such recognized country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?


Those who are lamenting the 'low sinking' of a 'once proud' nation, please tell us, when exactly was this proud nation brought down? Also, what was it so proud of?

The truth should be obvious to everyone who wants to know it. Arab countries have never abandoned the dream of destroying Israel; they still cherish it today.

Having time and again failed to achieve their evil goal with military means, they decided to fight Israel by proxy. For that purpose, they transformed the Arabs of Judea, Samaria & Gaza into an ad hoc group & cynically called it 'the Palestinian people'.

How else can one explain the refusal by Jordan and Egypt to unconditionally accept back the 'West Bank' and Gaza, respectively?

This brings me to the third bold. How can you say 99% of the wars ever fought in this world today, Islam of Muhammad [The Muslims is the proper name and not muhammadan which is a name you coined out for us in the same way the antioch people coined out christians for you. we reject what you coined in our case] is the aggressors? Are you saying the 2 wws, spanish inquisition, the crusades, all the wars that america fought before the 1990s, the british faulkan island war, etc, etc, etc and the nigerian civil headed by 'Jack' Gowon and Ojuku who are both christians are 1%? Please list 5% of your 99%, because i left a lot out of your 1% which others fought. I know you can't rise up to the challenge. Put up now or never dare to make such a baseless accusation, again.

The truth is bitter but it is only the truth that will set you free. Muhammadan Islam was created by the shedding of a sea of Arab blood; was propagated through the shedding of an ocean of the blood of other peoples. It continues to spread its VILE HATEMONGERING & WARMONGERING MESSAGE even today, by the shedding of more INNOCENT blood.
9: 5 But when the forbidden months are past then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.

*** This is the first verse in the Quran inciting and divinely sanctioning the followers of Muhammad to start a total war against ALL non believers in Allah AND in Muhammad as the messenger of Allah. A war against the whole of the rest of humanity (Ibn Ishaq p:204)***

TB Joshua is a true prophet. I don't understand why people vilify TB JOSHUA so much. His prophecies are 100% accurate. No other man of God in Nigeria have ever make any accurate prophesy that is accurate.

chakula:

@t.truth/false,

are you back from the exile.

I never went on exile,

Chakula the muhammedan

Is it not surprising, that even Jesus in his earthly ministry was accused of casting evil spirits by the powers of Beelzebub? Can these same critics who call themselves bishops, reverends, pastors and all manner of description show us one thing they are doing in their ministries that can fit into God’s compassion for humanity?

TB Joshua’s humanitarian effort touches the needs of widows. The physically challenged and orphans have benefited in his educational support projects.

Recently the federal President of Nigeria, Musa Yar’Adua, a Muslim himself awarded him with “Officer of the Order of the Federal Republic” in recognition of his humanitarian efforts.

Most people who persecute Joshua, particularly clergymen are moved by jealous and envy as he seems to expose fake ministries by his tremendous charities without begging for money.


Anyone who is a true seeker of truth can know in the light of scriptures that for sure there is a prophet among us.

The authenticity of any ministry is tested by how they profess about who Jesus Christ is.
From all accounts, TB Joshua proclaims Jesus Christ to have come in the flesh hence his motto “Emmanuel” which translates God with us. His messages and sermons lift Jesus as the Christ! And what more?

Signs and wonders are a daily phenomena in his ministry, just the way it was as recorded in the book of Mark16:20: “then the disciples went and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by signs that accompanied it”.

It is amazing that some of the most fearsome critics of TB Joshua have no signs and wonders in their ministry and they want to take it upon themselves to persecute this great man of God.

@ralphi64:

May God forgive you for all your rubbish blasphemies. There are lots of people who made worst comments than you are making now. All these nasty and untrue comments are the reasons why TB Joshua will keep going higher and higher.

You are a devil yourself and you never heard from God as you claim.

AIRDIG:

My post is to educate all and sundry on the allegations and false premises of the OP, but still it will address others be it.

(1) those who are ignoramus about Islam but claimed they know all and hence peddled false recriminations, prejudiced proposition, nonfactual statement etc.

(2) Prejudiced religious bigot who only spew falsehood to make cheap arguments

(3) Disgraceful liars & dishonest Islamophobes who carries tales (misinformation, half-truth and lies) These are people deliberately/maliciously convolute the truth to beguile others.

(4) , and most importantly, Objective and open-minded folks who want to know the truth about Islam (for honest criticism or to gain an understanding of Islam or any other reason)

I want to explicate on the topic, (despite the predilections of the group (1), (2) & (3) as shown above) , Perhaps, it might be of benefit to them,

Facts and reality of Islam contradict what you are writing. You can only deceive your fellow gullible people. I am not surprise Deception, lies and stupidity is part and parcel of Islam. So you will forever be in denial for the rest of your life.

Rubbish

chakula:

@t/truth/false

If you are not talented to comprehend an uncomplicated grammar similar to the exceeding posting, of course you embittered all the ones that prop up your education. Please, if you are not discomfit will you shift to Christian fragment and put into effect your madness,claptrap as well as baloney in attendance, rather moderately attending muslim subdivision.

Muhammedanism

nopuqeater:

@t.truth: « #48 on: Yesterday at 11:33:46 PM » Only if t.truth uses his brain and heart; practicality and logic, without the unbriddled emotion. If he did, then he would have known that if Isam and Muhammad (as) are blamed for every evil thing individual or group of muslim[s] does/do we have to blame Judaism, Isaac, Jacob and Moses for all that the Jews do, and we have to blame Christianity and Jesus for all that the Christians do. Today in america, the true Christians are threatening the lives of their congress persons who voted for Obama's Health Care Program. Thes are good christians, copying Jesus and the Bible to the T.

If Islam is to be wiped off, Judaism and Christianity have greater rights to be wiped off first. The idea that Islam should be wiped off, if possible will further show Christianity, Judaism and the Bible as fraud; The Christians and Jews alike have forgotten the history of the Great Nation that was to come out of Ishmael, and the 12 princes that came out of him. Where is the conclusion of the story of Ishmael, and why was it unfinished with the realization of the great nation and 12 princes that the Bible prphesies promised? I say these already hapenened, and the disbelieving Jews and Christians dont like the outcome which is Islam under Muhammad (AS). Was Ishmael really a naughty person, or was there jealousy involved? If Ishmael was a naughty person, Isaac was a greater naughty person because he was born through incest, an if Ishmael was a wild ma, since he and his immediate children and grandchildren and even great grandchildren did not commit any evil deed, then Isaac, Jacob and the 12 sons of Jacob and the children of these people committed sexual sins, lied to get the blessing that belnged to another person, sold their brother into slavery because of jealousy, etc are bigger wild man or men, hence Jews and Christians should be on greater line for being wiped off, for being outcrops of evil people, if we follow the logic of t.truth who needs to go buy a brain; Abraham and Sarah were brother and sister (Genesis 20:12). This is in the Christian Bible and in the Torah! Muslims do not say this. Jealousy and hatred towards anyone will always make one degrade the one that is hated.

nopuqeater or whatever you labelled yourself :

You, Muhammed and all Islamist need to go and buy a sane brain.

We are not talking about America here, we are talking about Nigeria. Take a look at what the so called cult of piss (Islam) is doing and the way they are butchering and slaughtering human beings as if they are in the abattoir.

Even in the arabian land, when there is no Islam, they enjoy greater peace until the birth of the mafia boss (muhammed) and he plagiarised the bible and the torah and he abrogated to himself honour.

Abraham and Sarah are cousins not brother and sister you dull head. If Abraham have not have sexual relations with Hagar, Ishmaelites would not have come to the world and the world would have enjoy greater peace.

chakula:

@t/truth/false

The entire what you discern is how to rudeness people, shame designed for you.

Can you stop responding because I cannot make sense of what you are writing. Your grammar is full of incredible and incredulous blunders

chakula:

t.truth,
I devoutness your existence.

Chakula or whatever you call yourself

Is this a grammatical blunder oor what ?

In future, check your funny grammatical blunder before responding to anything I write. Bloody Arrow. All muslims know is evil. Their national anthem is slaying, murdering and butcheing people for no reason. All muslims are savage beast

say4gunit:

i can see u are completely posses by a retarded ghost. Your problem is that u are completely blind, u have eyes but you cant see. You are completely on the wrong path that's why you go on writing rubbish. And about the just crisis, what makes you think that the muslims started it? You are just quoting from what your inactive brain that doesn't allow you to zero your mind and think of any reasonable thing that will make a positive change to your life.

Between me and you who is blind ? You are blind and Muhammed (the mafia boss) is also blind, that is why all of you are groping about in your folly. It does not matter who started the Jos crisis, all I know is that all Islamists are savage beast, just the way Muhammed was a savage beast in the Arabian land.

Islamic madness will be wiped off, it is only a matter of time. All of you are nothing but bunch of blood thirsty murderers.

chakula:

@t.truth/false

I erudite that you be acquainted with nonentity about bible that is why for eternity you are participating in Muslim subdivision to a certain, extent your presence to the Christian fragment and allotment your paperback acquaintance in the midst of them. I devoutness your existence

You are an idiot. You and all mad Islamist should be ashame of yourselves. Murdering and killing people in the name of Muhammedanism. No body will ever respect that mad Muhammedan cult where insanity and utter stupidity reign supreme.

You are suppose to be in a psychiatric hospital. Idiot.

babs787:

@T.truth

Take your time, Muslims are not terrorists

What if I don't, what will you do ? Will you bring your Jihad or operation Muttalabs to Nairaland ?

say4gunit:

everyday you attacks northerner,
Hausa/Fulani, I am Hausa/Fulani, I
am a northerner, I am a Muslim
and if you attack my religion, you
are an enemy, if you attack my
geography where I come from,
you are an enemy, if you attack
whatever I belong to, you are an
enemy. I will not accept that. And I
am not ashamed of being a Muslim.
I am proud to be one, I thank God I
am a Muslim, and I am not
ashamed of being Hausa/Fulani, I
am proud to be one because to me
they are a fantastic race. I am
grateful to God I am from the
north. Whatever you say of us, say
the correct thing, not with a
jaundiced mind, nobody should
insult us!

Complete nonsense !!!!!!!!!!

That is not an excuse for killing 500 natives of Jos in just one day. Islam is not from God. Islam is from the devil. There is nothing good about Islamic cult. Islamic cult is the greatest curse hausas inherit from the Arabs. You should cover your face in shame for murdering almost close to a thousand people for no reason other than Islamic madness.

All Islamist are extremely vicious and terribly wicked. Nothing good can ever come from Islam. All of you are savage beast including Muhammed (The Mafia boss). I look forward to the day Islam will be eradicated from Nigeria so that we can breathe. haaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!

I wish Islamic religon never came into nigeria in the first place. They are source of probelm and tension in the country. All they know is killing, stealing and destruction

uplawal:

@t.truth,fool,but why are you changing your mouth,were you not the one that said,you want ISLAM to be wiped out?


MONSTEROUS HYPOCRITE

Downlawal:

Yes I want Islam wiped off. You female muhammedan. You are the greatest hypocrite and the greatest fool. You better repent from your delusion you call religion.

uplawal:

@t.truth you mean your god that hes power is decentralised and never centralised for once?you know its not my thing to worship a dead god,a less sovereing one for that matter,shior kelebe twe, i don pass dat stage, my God(ALLAH) is too awesome to be discussed here with an ungreatful creature like you,except you want to submit to him

@downlawal:

I will NEVER submit to Saudi black stone(allah)

I look forward to the day Islam will be eradicated. We have suffered enough violence from that madness called Islam

uplawal:

i can see that christianity is evil for intending to wipe out ISLAM which cannever be possible till eternity

It is Islam that have tried to wipe out Christianity.

Christianity was existing for many centuries before the creation of that deadly cult called Islam by Muhammed (The Mafia boss )

alimat 2:

This is how u will continue laffing until d sudden fact come upon you.
May God in his infinity Mercy soften your harden heart nd show u d light to Paradise

Amen.

God is merciful.

Not allah or Saudi Black stone embedded in the corner of Kabah