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TV01:
The hadith nko?

Aside the fact that it appears to me to be largely false assertions, fake claims, fabrications, wholesale plagiarism, lies and a rear-guard attempt to build a plausible narrative around an obviously made-up religion\ideology, one of the many issues I have with this faith is the manoeuvrability and hence, the widely variable interpretations of its scripture that are possible.

Do we read the main text with or without the hard teeth? Wait, there is no universal agreement about which hard teeth are authentic – within or between sects? Further, they are graded and, for some reason each believer can pick and choose which ones he or she accepts, if any – which is often done tactically.

It is nigh on impossible to articulate the prevailing practice without reference to the hard teeth, yet the whole notion of “hard teeth science” is itself a misnomer. It is simply impossible to apply the requisite academic rigour or scientific principles. No honest scholar gives them real credence other than on a “matter of faith” basis.

These are writings collected no earlier than 200 years after the demise of the claimant, by people who had no proximity or direct relationship with him. True, some of them may well be authentic, but the wholly contrived “chain of narration” authenticator does not pass muster
In rough numbers only about 1% (approx 6k of 600k) of the hard teeth writings have not been discounted. Many were written to push a certain doctrinal\theological position, or to gain a political edge.

From the main text, we add abrogation to the mix, the meccan vs. medinan postures, the need to rollback parts that either contradict each other or, invalidate the attempt to piggy-back off the torah and injeel (after all, in all honesty, the kindest thing you could say about it, is that it is a Christian heresy). It’s one big mess.

Having said that, to me, the primary case against it, is it’s outworking. The practical effects of the faith in society. To me that is the most damning.

Christianity progressively eliminated societal scourges (slavery, the oppression of women (child marriage, secs slavery, polygyny, child labour etc. Introduced, universal suffrage, agency and welfare and enshrined human rights, civil liberties and personal freedoms. Not to mention laying the foundation for critical thought and rational enquiry that has led to literally all modern-day technological advancement (even in post-Christian times!)

By comparison, the “other” religion still embodies all the evils and practices and none of the good. Add the thirst for instilling terra and the letting of sanguine fluid and you have a veritable blight and scourge on humanity.

No? Ok, explain this small one - https://www.nairaland.com/8349907/notable-women-early-marriages-bible#134323939


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honesttalk21:
The Qur’an clearly says no compulsion in religion and nowhere commands killing for disbelief. So the real issue isn’t who is a true Muslim, but whether their actions align with what the book actually teaches and by the Qur’an’s own words, they don’t.

The hadith nko?

20 The Chapters on Legal Punishments
(1)Chapter: It Is Not Lawful To Shed The Blood Of A Muslim Except In Three Cases(1.00)باب لاَ يَحِلُّ دَمُ امْرِئٍ مُسْلِمٍ إِلاَّ فِي ثَلاَثٍ
It was narrated from Abu Umamah bin Sahl bin Hunaif that:
`Uthman bin 'Affan looked at them when they spoke of killing. He said: “Are they threatening to kill me? Why would they kill me? I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say:[b] “It is not lawful to shed the blood of a Muslim except in one of three (cases): a man who commits adultery when he is a married person, then he should be stoned; a man who kills a soul not in retaliation for murder; and a man who apostatizes after becoming Muslim.' [/b]By Allah (SWT), I never committed adultery either during Ignorance days nor in Islam, and I have never killed a Muslim soul, and I have not apostatized since I became Muslim.”
حَدَّثَنَا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ عَبْدَةَ، أَنْبَأَنَا حَمَّادُ بْنُ زَيْدٍ، عَنْ يَحْيَى بْنِ سَعِيدٍ، عَنْ أَبِي أُمَامَةَ بْنِ سَهْلِ بْنِ حُنَيْفٍ، أَنَّ عُثْمَانَ بْنَ عَفَّانَ، أَشْرَفَ عَلَيْهِمْ فَسَمِعَهُمْ وَهُمْ، يَذْكُرُونَ الْقَتْلَ فَقَالَ إِنَّهُمْ لَيَتَوَاعَدُونِي بِالْقَتْلِ فَلِمَ يَقْتُلُونِي وَقَدْ سَمِعْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقُولُ ‏ "‏ لا يَحِلُّ دَمُ امْرِئٍ مُسْلِمٍ إِلاَّ فِي إِحْدَى ثَلاَثٍ رَجُلٌ زَنَى وَهُوَ مُحْصَنٌ فَرُجِمَ أَوْ رَجُلٌ قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ رَجُلٌ ارْتَدَّ بَعْدَ إِسْلاَمِهِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ فَوَاللَّهِ مَا زَنَيْتُ فِي جَاهِلِيَّةٍ وَلاَ فِي إِسْلاَمٍ وَلاَ قَتَلْتُ نَفْسًا مُسْلِمَةً وَلاَ ارْتَدَدْتُ مُنْذُ أَسْلَمْتُ ‏.‏
Grade: Sahih (Darussalam)
Reference : Sunan Ibn Majah 2533
In-book reference : Book 20, Hadith 1
English translation : Vol. 3, Book 20, Hadith 2533
2532

From here - https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:2533

And how is it congruent to prescribe kpaiing for leaving and not at once determine the same for not joining?


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LordReed:
You cannot separate do that separation honestly without launching into a no true Scotsman fallacy. Are these people Muslims practicing Islam? YES, they are. They believe their holy book commands them to do it, and they are following it to the point they even commit state resources to fulfil it. Your answer barely addresses the reality, you sound kinda idealistic and I wish that was the case, but it isn't.

Show me one committed to the defence of islam or, an ardent apologist, and I will show you a liar. No matter how amenable they sound or courteously they present, there will be lies. But that's allowed - taqiyya is perfectly acceptable and encouraged in islam.


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Lukgaf:
Before Halal Becomes Haram

The Tinubu administration signed a partnership agreement with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia on how Nigeria can benefit from the global halal economy valued at above 7 trillion dollars. Since that news broke, some persons have written to express their fears and suspicion, some others see it as an islamization( a word many people now bandy about without substantiation)strategy.

Halal means "permissible" in Islam, as against "haram" which means unlawful or bad. Halal is an Islamic principle that governs what Muslims eat, drink, how they are prepared. It has extended to businesses and finances too. Broadly speaking, it is an Islamic ethical principle that guides a range of things.

Let's use meat as example. A meat is halal if it is slaughtered and prepared following specific guidelines. Part of the guidelines says the animal must be cut incisively and decisively such that it's death is instant, the blood must be drained. Any animal subjected to some torture or pain before it's death becomes haram. This is to avoid animal cruelty.

Halal is also about forbidden things like pork, alcohol. Under the halal principle, a Muslim avoids alcoholic drinks and products that contain alcohol. Let's assume that panadol for pain relief has alcohol in it, a Muslim will see it as haram. Yet, Muslims do need pain relievers, so they invest in pharmaceutical companies that make pain relievers without alcohol, and that is regarded as halal. Same goes for food products. Islamic financiers and governments will invest in businesses that produce food commodities that avoid ingredients considered haram.

In financing, Islam forbids playing the usurer, so you have Islamic banks that share profits rather than lend money based on interests, Islamic banks are interest free, all these are part of the halal principle. Now, what I have done so far is to explain what halal means from my own understanding, you can Google and do more research.

The federal government didn't collect loan from Saudi Arabia for halal, the federal government signed a partnership with Saudi Arabia on how to boost halal in Nigeria so that Nigeria can also benefit from it, it is a staggering 7 trillion dollars global economy.

What this means is that if any group of people decide to open a beverage or meat processing factory that uses the halal guidelines, they will receive capacity building, expertise and maybe funding too from Saudi Arabia. Their products will have access to the Saudi market among other things.

Brazil is not just a Christian country, it is almost totally a catholic country until recently when non catholic denominations started making some inroads there. Yet, Brazil is the highest exporter of halal meat in the world. It means that Brazil slaughters cows in a halal way and exports them to Muslims across the world and smile to the bank. That's halal economy and economics.

You don't have to be a Muslim to run a halal business, you also don't have to eat halal products to sell them to those who eat them. It is business or economics and not religious pilgrimage.

Countries register halal businesses. Britain is the global leader in Islamic banking. Australia, the USA and many others recognize halal businesses both on individual levels and corporate levels.

I know that in Nigeria, ordinary animal easily becomes a spiritual or demonic being once we call it 'bush baby' and we are told it will rip your hearts out. A cobweb becomes demonic attack. The human like cries of cats elicit holy ghost fire. In Nigeria, normal and natural things become strange and spiritual.

That's why I'm sharing this with you before your WhatsApp group and social media warriors turn halal into haram. In Jeswish religion, halal is kosher, it started with the jews and as Christians, we share scripture and traditions with the jews.

This is not a defense of a government policy, it is an elucidation of a global phenomenon. Whatever you make of it is yours.

By Rev. Fr. Chinenye John Oluoma

This is only true in part, therefore a lie.

For slaughtered animals to be considered halal, the butcher must be a believing muslim and a prayer to the muslim god is recited. Therefore in a sense, that is a type of islamisation. The Christian scriptures talk about "things sacrificed to demons..."1 Corinthians 18-20. Consumers, especially of other faiths, may not want to consume halal foods if they are aware of this. It is more than a method of slaughter, it is a religious ritual.

As for the finance part, that is also sleight of hand. One can take an equity or a debt stake in a business. There are risks and potential returns with both methods. Both are open to exploitation. As long as they products are fairly structured, understood and entered into with full consent, no problem. Why is the benefit or superiority of islamic finance not evidenced by prosperity in islamic countries, or booming capital markets?


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Kukutente23:
Exactly!!
See the one not deleted above

DeepSight:
Ah. I see.

I posted twice - covertly on the second occasion. No avail. Instantly swallowed up .

Tag me if you'd like me to make the post as an addendum to a previous post elsewhere. That may work.


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Kaczynski:
good marriages fairytales propagated by society desperate to maintain the illusion of order. look beneath the surface of any successful marriage and you wee find resentment, compromise, and suppressed desires,

Au contraire! Why do you think that over time, marriage (and I refer specifically to Christian covenantal marriage) has become the bedrock of flourishing societies? Let me put it this way; please present any other relationship type that would be the optimal vehicle for raising children, being a wonderful way of sharing mutual love, support and companionship, whilst at the same time engendering community stability and harmony. Understand this, society champions marriage due to the great utility of marriage to society

Marriage cannot be beaten, regardless of the fact that many enter into it lacking understanding, with ill-formed character or bad intentions.
Yes, their may well be resentment (where there is poor communication, a self-serving nature or unwillingness to sacrifice), but that is an opportunity to grow. There may well be compromise, that is an opportunity to mature, develop and think of others first. There may be suppressed desires, again the ability to place the considerations and needs of others above your own is a good thing. One can't be a child forever .

And please evidence that resentment , compromise and suppressed desires are features peculiar to the marriage institution or even marital relationships . Try being 40+ without spousal support or a caring family. Bet your last dime such a one would trade all they have for the most dysfunctional family ever. I have lived it and I see it.

Kaczynski:
marriage is a relic of a bygone era. a transaction between two biological units designed to perpetuate the species. there's no room for love, happiness, or personal fulfillment.

Marriage is not required to perpetuate the species, however there is simply no better way. Unless you can demonstrate otherwise. And, there is plenty of room, for love, for happiness and for personal fullfiment on top.

Indeed, marriage and family can literally satisfy those things on their own. Further, how many endeavours are there that cannot be undertaken due to marriage? Or any not made sweeter by accomplishing them while being married.

Kaczynski:
grace to meet the right person that's just a euphemism for blind luck. marriage is just institution built on unrealistic expectations, societal pressure, and biological imperatives. tbh its a recipe for disaster

Grace is great and indeed I prayed my heart out. But marriage can be undertaken pragmatically, almost project fashion. Understand what the institution is, what its and your requirements are, undertake due diligence, then implement and go live! I believe God loves marriage so much, that He acknowledges and blesses the unions of unbelievers.

Kaczynski:
its time to embrace the freedom and autonomy of singlehood. the only thing that you need to have is yourself, thats why you die the same way you came into this world : alone

Marriage is never a shackle - it's a freely entered into and understood commitment.. With the right partner and vision, one is free to be oneself. Indeed, marriage as a springboard can make you excel beyond your wildest expectations - sometimes just due to the fact that marriage comes with expectations.

I sense youth, hurt or misinformation. But I would urge anyone to Seek God, work on having the character you would like to see in your spouse, then seek with intent and commit wholeheartedly.

My testimony, is this. Marriage is wonderful. A real blessing. It has certainly changed my life. And I am a better, more mature and developed person in a way nothing else could have done.

It helps if you find your spouse incredibly attractive and stay in shape - the sacrosanct and blessed nature of marital intimacy huh . Let me stop here before I am moved to posting pictures like in the old days .

To all you single wannabes out there. Please set you sights high, articulate a clear vision about what a wonderful union looks like, work on yourself and go for it. May The Good Lord be with you.

For the don't wannabees, please get understanding and give it further consideration. The simple fact is that for the vast majority of people the closest intimacy and sense of worth will come from a committed relationship, and the best form of committed relationship is marriage. May The Lord be with you also. Marriage is too important to get wrong - in it, or out of it.

Peace & marital love


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^{well done ishilove and all marriage champions}

I was clear on my entry point. The TAST was not the worst slave trade ever. The arab\islamic one was. Period. But please keep mewling and flailing all over the place. Here are a few non-Christian sources.

https://wardheernews.com/the-arab-slave-trade-a-forgotten-chapter-in-african-history/
https://www.fairplanet.org/dossier/beyond-slavery/forgotten-slavery-the-arab-muslim-slave-trade-sex-trafficking/#:~:text=The%20Trans%2DSaharan%20Caravan%20focused,and%20thirst%20along%20the%20way.

The Christian vs. the Islamic scriptures. No matter what TAST did, no matter who was involved, the Christian scriptures clearly presented do not support slavery and it was Christians who eventually abolished slavery - EOS. Nor is there any Christian chattel slavery today.

Islam however, embeds it and still practices it. Nonsense about "upwardly mobile slaves" is laughable. All your duff comments are waffle - designed to defect and obfuscate. Keep pivoting to race based action and not what your heretical sect demands. Abdi is your generation .

Sterope:
Because Christianity ended up changing the narrative which is still present today...cue the KKK and modern white nationalist movements; does not erase how the Bible and Christian institutions were used to justify the mistreeatmeent of Black people. The so-called "Cvrse of Noah" (the Ham/Noah story: Genesis 9:20–27) was repeatedly invoked to legitimise racciial slavery and the brvtal hierarchies that followed.

Even the Church wasn't left out of the slave trade; in fact it allowed, encouraged, profited from, and directly partook in it from institutions that trace back to the Roman Empire through later Catholic and Protestant bodies (including the Jesuits, the Church of England, and others). That’s historical fact; the apologia that comes later doesn’t change the original complicity.

No need to explain or justify. Just accept your deen for what it is - unrelentingly, unapologetically ,inhumane, regressive, oppressive, brutal and bloodthirsty.


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Sterope:
Both systems were horrific — but in very different ways.

Clearly your original post was maliciously intended - you described the transatlantic slave trade as the worst. Simply put, that is not factually grounded. It is untrue. A barefaced lie.

Sterope:
Europeans, mostly good Christian, infliicteed extremei dehvmanissation: Enslaved people were packed like sardines on ships, displayed in “zoo galleries,” violeentlly attacked, and in some cases used for human experimevtss.

Brutal labor left permanent scars; mortality rates were extremely high. Justificationscame biblical interpretations claiming Africans were descendants of Noah’s cursed son. The system aimed for permanent subjugation, erasing identity, language, and culture, while skin color determined status.

Again, this is mostly waffle. The Christian scriptures do not countenance slavery, period. So at best, the perpetuators were not Christians, ill-informed or simply evil - co-opting the scriptures to excuse their wickedness. This is not a reflection on Christianity.

To be clear, the TAST arose from the so called enlightenment which sought to overthrow the faith as the guiding light of society. From this arose notions of evolution\darwinism, which classified humans based on ethnic\racial lines and was the imprimatur for slavery.

Christianity was able to re-assert itself and make the case for abolition. FACT. The UK unilaterally enforced this abolition, at great cost, culminating with the forcible enforcement on the Saudi's as I mentioned on my previous post. FACT.

And another thing, abhorrent as it was, and this in no way ameliorates it, the TAST was a trade - locals were complicit. The arab slave trade by contrast was fuelled mostly by wars and raiding parties. And also included enforced conscription, with slaves trained as soldiers, often beng sent back to raid their birth communities - yep, for more slaves.

There is no equivocation. Yes, slavery is always brutal and dehumanising, but Jesus came to set the captives free! Whereas Mohammed was a trader of slaves. And the arab\islamic slave trade (which has not really ended), has been for longer, was furher reaching and more brutal. Islam views slavery as halal, as long as they are non-muslims.

Sterope:
Take a guess who is repeating similar patterns today in Palestine and Congo… your Judeo-Christian "brothers." Even Netanyahu referenced it by its biblical name: Amalek.

Deperation sets in . Palestine, slavery? As for Congo, along with Sudan, Mozambique and Nigeria et al, it is marauding muslim jihadists, who have never really ceased to employ sex slavery as part of their bloodletting and destruction. Where are those girls again - where they ever brought back?

Amalek refers to the utter destruction of Israels enemies. Hamas served and got a return they couldn't handle. Stop whingeing. Christianity see's men as made in the image of God and all descended from one man and we decry any human being dying a senseless, brutal death. Islam however, views humans as mindless slaves, with no God imprint.

Islam celebrates death and destruction and never results in peace or prosperity. Why the pretence? Your scriptures want the obliteration of Jews and any notion of a Jewish state by any means possible. Keep going if you think you can overcome the Israelis.

Sterope:
On the other end, for Arab slavery, the historical practices diverged from Islamic principles already laid down both in the Qur'an (Qur'an literally has verses on charity to slaves including manumission), and scholars repeatedly condemned it. Empires like the Ottoman tolerated slavery for profit and they knew it was wrong. Even then, manumission was encouraged and existed widely.

Slaves could achieve upward mobility, some held political or administrative roles. Discrimination based on ethnicity was frowned upon; Black Muslims, Persians, Indians, and others could rise in society. Identity, religion, and social integration were often preserved, even amid brutality

You don't need to justify (or deploy takkiya ). We know Islam and see it's outworkings every day. Save that for Bilal, your prophets favourite man-slave .


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89green:
Our women are precious, we won't start 'parading' them, we always encourage proper dressings.

Firstly, in what world is a 12 year-old a woman? Don't answer. It's in the world of a sexually perverse, carnal and corrupt religion. And no, Islam hates women. Allowing males to unquestionably beat them, unilaterally enter polygynous unions and take sex slaves. Why would any country want to be like 7th century Arabia or current day Afghanistan?


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^{plus, whilst single sex races are allowed in the UK, exclusion based on gender or age contravenes anti-discrimination laws.}

Sterope:
Yaeh right, the same Christians that came to Africa but perpetuated the worst slave trade ever. Interpreted the Bible to claim the black race is cvrsed. Those ones?

The honour due the bolded actually belongs to the arab\islamic slave trade. It may just be ignorance and not ill-intent on your part, but a cursory search would have shown this. I'm feeling generous so a précis for anyone reading.

The arab\islamic slave trade was longer, took more captives and was more brutal than the trans-atlantic slave trade.

It lasted from the 7th until the 20th century. Until it was abolished by threat of the UK. And, although there is a seeming de jure abolition, in practice it persists. You can still buy "black people" in slave markets in the arab\islamic world today. Further, it is embedded in the Islamic texts and doctrinally (as with most islamic practices) arguments can be made either way.

There are estimates of up to 18 million for the number of sub-saharan Africans alone. Noting that the trade spanned continents reaching as far as Europe, India and China.

One notable point about the arab\islamic trade was the brutality with which the slaves were treated. Despite the number of slaves taken, does anyone wonder why there are no large extant populations in north African countries unlike north America? It's because the preferred (mostly young male slaves) were routinely castrated. I could go into the resultant lifelong health issues and shortened life-span, but hopefully you get the point.

I stop here as the thought of beta arab male moon god worshippers castrating black African males...anyway. So please feel free to worship the god with no name presented by a prophet with no provenance and scripture that is best described as parody or pastiche but don't gaslight us about it's regressive nature and love of death and destruction.


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^{ps - I don't actually give a rats arse about what the vatican does or does not do.}

GloriousGbola:
There is a limit to what can be done if the community chooses not to report . Also when the community will immediately drop the religious card.

We could be tougher - properly crackdown. But are politicians are both weak and beholden. And, it's spreading beyond the host community and creating wider tensions. Not to mention the agitation and drive for Islamisation.

RodgersAkpafu:
Like one fool in Rotherham that went to assault a young girl
The parents reporter him and he was banged up

Some ppl said that what they did was bad as per na Paki Paki them be, but them no send

Things are changing

Like I said above, it is not contained within the host community - not that that would make it acceptable. And in some respects it's changing for the worse. We'll see.

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RodgersAkpafu:
The spate of honour killings has dramatically reduced in the UK

It is now a very serious offense and the govt don dey put eye for there

If you stop by Brum or Bradford
More and more South Asian barneys (i hate to use this word, but that aptly describes them) are hopping on black gbola

Sometimes in code
sometimes in the open

I avoid Brum and the heavily asian\muslim areas of the country like a plague. I consider Luton foreign and hostile territory. If I want to sample the delights of Pakistan I'll visit Karachi.

Not sure why, but I had you down as someone who could reason with more than just his todger .
There are a host of allied abuses and harmful practices. Inter-alia , forced marriage, cousin marriage, polygyny, FGM, assaults and rape.

Do try not to be facile.


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GloriousGbola:
I am a Muslim...Take away the Jews from the equation and most of the Muslim world will immediatelunlook

GloriousGbola:
and THAT is the problem everyone else has moved on from this 'we dont do that anymore'. except fundamentalist muslims

benalvino3:
You would think my Muslim friends would support my relationship with a Muslim, but they are not happy we were dating. But when we go clubs, they want to jump on every white girl they see. It's not hard to feel like an outsider even with your friends.

Thanks for your unambiguously frank posts. For all that, they won't hear it. They'll deflect, project, rationalise, justify, obfuscate. TBH, Islam has very little wherewithal in and of itself. It is only gaining traction in the West due to the useful idiots.

Do try not to get her honour kpaid.

RodgersAkpafu:
To answer your question
My chica is of Pakistani descent
Very sweet woman

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LordReed:
Oh my. Been a long time I saw you around. Hope you are well.

I am sir. We all are thank God - trust likewise. And with wifey and the young ladies. Cheers. TV

DeepSight:
Are they not? Of course they are. That's basic genetics. They become fifty percent Igbo and fifty percent wherever she is from. If this process goes on for 2000 years no one can tell what the descendants would be.

You are seemingly big on nuance in discussion - and rightly so. Simplified reductionist points can help move discussions along, but care must be taken to ensure they don't mislead, stymie or become absolutist.

It also helps to consider the issue in question in other forms. I and my wife are both ethnic Yorubas. Born and raised in London to ethnic Yoruba parents. Whilst we are British\Banza English , we remain ethnically Yoruba. As do our children after us. The same would apply to their children - even if some ethnic intermingling occurred. And, I would consider them as having a greater claim on Kwara state than the Fula - if those territories were ever reclaimed .

The Jews were and have always been very conscious of maintaining their lineage, culture, traditions, customs and language. The more conservative amongst them typically marry other Jews. They are not alone in this regard. We see it amongst Asian populations in Britain. They rarely "marry out". I am not claiming there has been no inter-mingling or even dilution as you term it. Or even a population of secular Jews. But Jews they remain

One thing you commonly touted is that Israeli Jews are are essentially of Ashkenazi stock. This is wrong. The Misrahi constitute a greater proportion of the starting population, having migrated from the surrounding middle-eastern nations. It is worth noting that diasporic Mizrahis numbered close to a million pre-state of Israel. There are now only a few thousand left outside Israel. What happened there? There are also Sephardic, Falasha and others.

Likewise the trope that Israel is an ethno-nationalist or Apartheid state. Again, not evidenced and not true. Israel has minorities and a 20% Arab\muslim demographic with full rights (except military conscription). Per above, no Middle-Eastern country can boast of that kind of minority representation or treatment. The "Palestinians" outside of Israel chose the side of the Arab\muslim invaders during earlier confrontations and paid the price.


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DeepSight:
Question.

For Supernatural Degree in Human Political Relations. Select from the options below.
Question: What has brought the ceasefire in Gaza. Options (You may select more than one).

As long as we realise there may well be other influences or factors here not listed - but let's go with what we have shall we

DeepSight:
1. The recognition of the State of Palestine by European Powers.

Nope. In my esteem, this meant diddly squat. Not Cossack squat, not deep squat, diddly squat. There has been extant recognition of the "Palestinian state" by various actors for a while now. To be frank, I see it as more of a slogan. Lacking real intent or desire. The recognition by "European Powers" was at best mere virtue signalling. It's telling that there hasn't been a squeak from any of the EuroPowers about actual state lines or borders. Moreso, since they have all lauded the Trump ceasefire, which I read as designed to hamstring any efforts to implement a 2SS. At worst, I could read conspiracy. The recognition followed by the lauding, could have served to wrong-foot Hamas.

DeepSight:
2. The singular effort of the President of the United States.

Whilst President Trumps part was likely determinant, he couldn't have done it alone. The timing was also questionable. The Israelis had literally pounded everything poundable. The ref had to step in at this point.

DeepSight:
3. The singular effort of the Prime Minister of Israel.

It wasn't his effort, or even about that. For Beni it was a good deal. His stated aim of freeing the hostages and seriously denuding the threat posed by hamas (and bonus points for the hezzies, houthis and Iran, not to mention a sideswipe at the Qatari. Plus, it seems that Israel can resume hostilities with very little pretext.

DeepSight:
4. Global moral pressure.

Really? How far up your fundament did you go to dig that one out. Global is actually the right word - in an existential sense. Israel at least realise that.

DeepSight:
5. The conscience of humanity.

Stop already. Who has issue with non-muslims treating muslims the way muslims would treat non-muslims if they were so opportuned? And spare me the women and babies trope. The truth is muslims hate the Jews more than they love their children and the ideology clearly hates women .

DeepSight:
6. The efforts of Arab Powers.

The so called Arab powers are effete. Moreso than their Euro counterparts. The Arab\Islamic world is riven by rival claims for dominance. The Turks would love to revive the Ottoman empire, the Iranians impose their shia strain, while the Saudis claim to be islamic Ife . Compounded by Saudis realisation that Islams regressive nature will impoverish them faster than a drug habit - hence the push for modernisation and a move away from Islams fundamentl tenets - which lot's of muslims are unsettled by and aghast at, but confused as to what to do .

DeepSight:
7. The IDF.

Quite superb as a fighting force and they proved it militarily by engaging on a number of fronts simultaneously. I would however nominate Mossad for the frankly spirit sapping offensives. Their pager booby trap gambit was like whoa - legendary. With layered follow-up. Straight up!

DeepSight:
8. Hamas.

The Hamas charter (akin to the Iranian constitution and along with core Islam) is to erase Israel and obliterate Jewry. A ceasefire without that happening is at best an interregnum. First they want the Saturday people, then the Sunday people.

DeepSight:
9. The efforts of scholars and thinkers.

Please.

DeepSight:
10. The efforts of responsible journalists.

Journalists report on events. Very few covered themselves with any glory here. The propaganda was off the charts. With staged events and paid influencers. I watched BBC and AL-Jazeera to name 2 - the bias was dripping bro' .

DeepSight:
11. The flotilla.

That was a totally farcical sideshow and utterly irrelevant.

DeepSight:
12. The unique efforts of South Africa.

You could have expatiated on these efforts. I personally stopped taking SA seriously when Jacob Zuma took a 4th wife whist in office. That's just me. I'm sure there are those who can make sense of that.

I posted my thoughts about the conflict here - https://www.nairaland.com/8532379/breaking-news-statement-hamas/1#137012005

Cheers

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MightySparrow:
Anytime the Nobel Prize for outstanding scientists, economists, and other fields benefitting humanity is announced yearly, hardly can you see a Muslim name there.

Islam is regressive. It basically offers 2 choices; 7th century Saudi Arabia or 20th Century Afghanistan. Slim pickings, and hardly fertile ground for reason, rational thinking, scientific enquiry and technological advancement. The Judeo-Christian worldview on the other hand does just that. evidenced by their advancement and institutions Not so much the madrassa and ile Kéwú.

MightySparrow:
Science, Mathematics, all civilizations started in the now Islam dominated portions of the world.

That is an outright lie. Firstly, oftentimes post-conquest, islamc rulers allowed centres of knowledge and education to continue as they were, but they were all re-labelled as muslim - like conquerors are wont to do.

Secondly, all the discoveries attributed to Islamic scholarship were already discovered by other civilisations (mainly Greeks and even Hindus). Per point 1 above, for a time Islam allowed extant centres of knowledge to continue and even flourish, and were particularly noted for collating and translating extant scientific literature.

Nothing new or conducive to humanities flourishing and advancement has or can emanate from a wholly Islam milieu - feel free to demonstrate otherwise.

budaatum:
Yes, there have been many Muslims that have done spectacular things that deserve the Nobel, and the fact you don't know is more indicative of you.

Wrong. Or at best misleading. Muslim recipients of Nobel Prizes tend to be enabled by, and emerge from, the Western milieu. It's not about ethnicity or race, it's about cultural and sectarian morés. I trust this was not an attempt to obfuscate?

Demonstrated by the overweight of Jews in the Nobel Peace prize stakes. Barely 15million people outperform a 2 billion ummah. Please humanity needs Jews - like wow !


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AntiChristian:
I don't know why you guys lie through your teeth! Well, I guess when lies has been peddled for long people see it as the truth! So you're not to be blamed too much!

Please sir, blame me wholeheartedly . Biblical events including the death and resurrection of The Lord Jesus Christ were prophesied centuries before they occurred and historically attested too by non Christian sources. Islam which came 600 years later attempts to overturn historical facts and replace fulfilled prophecy.

The whole of Islam is; stolen scripture, along with extant myths and fables of the time. Glued together by false assertion, bogus claims and outright lies. You claim the god of Islam sent our Jesus? Then that god failed woefully, as the result of The Lord Jesus' work was over 2 billion followers of a religion that is not Islam Listen to yourselves!

AntiChristian:
If your name is TV01 in English, can I also change it to another language while it still remains the same? All these names "Jesus", "Iesus" and "Iēsous" (from English , Latin and Greek) even Jesus himself doesn't recognize!

The God of the bible personally revealed Himself to mankind and gave us His personal name. This name is reflected in the names of His prophets. Isaiah, Jerimiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, all reference the personal name and attributes\character of the God of the Bible - not some generically named deity called Allah. Likewise the name of His Only Begotten Jesus The Christ. You claim the biblical prophets for Islam, show us how their names reference the islamic Allah?

AntiChristian:
Eesa is the name of the son of Mary in the Qur'an! Whether you like it or not that remains so til the world ends!

Sir, you are free to believe whatever you choose and the koran can say whatever it likes. That doesn't mean either your beliefs or scriptures are true.

The virgin Mary indeed gave birth to The Lord Jesus Christ. That is bible. And the earthly lineage of The Lord is detailed severally. And one thing is sure. The Lord came through the tribe of Judah, not Levi. The quoranic Mary is identifies as Miriam the sister of Aaron & Moses. A typical islamc Fail

Islam has no timeline, no lineage of Mohammed or Jesus, or anyone else. It has no historical attestation, no prophecy before, or after. It is one long contrived narrative. Period.

AntiChristian:
Jesus's real name he bore while alive must have been in his language no doubt and that wasn't Jesus.

Jehoshua aka Joshua aka Jesus", "Iesus" and "Iēsous" (from English , Latin and Greek - as you noted ) .

Giannis Antetokounmpo the Nigerian-Greek basketball player carries a Hellenized surname. Read below. And please note the reference to John.

After gaining Greek citizenship, his official surname became Αντετοκούνμπο, the Greek transcription of Adetokunbo, which was then transliterated letter-for-letter and officially spelled on his Greek passport as Antetokounmpo. Giannis is a Modern Greek variant of Ioannes (John).

Don't bother thanking me . Come to Christ and take your place in God's eternal Kingdom. I'd love to see you there.


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BlackfireX:
Let's start with no.7
You said Muhammad ibn Abdullah was prophesied in the Bible by Yasua al messaih.... please please please can you show me 1 book or chapter or verse

Truth is one could start and stop a at any point in the wider fabricated islamic narrative and the post quoted. The very opening sentence for example.

AntiChristian:
We will refer to Jesus as ‘Eesa throughout this article.

The name "Jesus" has a very specific meaning. "The God who saves\of our salvation". Or my personal favourite, "The Lord our saviour".
Eesa is not a transliteration and has no meaning.

Jesus proceeds from YHWH..."The I Am That I Am". The Son whose name has a meaning derives from the God who has a name. The name Eesa has no meaning and the claims are he was by a God who has no name. Does the Islamic god have a personal or revealed name?

Same could be said of all the other prophets purloined by islam. There names all point to The Living God Who has blessed us with a Personal revelation of Himself.

Further more, the koran places Eesa as a Levite....wrong, He is from the tribe of Judah.

Come to Christ and be saved. There is no other name.


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RodgersAkpafu:
I had a long response to ur "interesting " inferiority complex inspired post
But the mod has deleted it...

Broken record much. Smears, aspersions and assertions - then hiding behind the mods. What a loser

RodgersAkpafu:
I'll just summarise one point
There is NO correlation whatsoever between the ethnic composition of a city and the "development" or "shittiness" of that city

Liar, you clearly stated this;

RodgersAkpafu:
Imagine someone saying that the decline of white populations in these countries are directly correlated with the decline of development in that country, when here in Britain, the most developed population centres are the ones that most diverse and have a somewhat minority white population?

Which led to my offer of dash & 3 questions - none of which you could address.
1. That he most developed population centres in Britain where only developed or, in any way, experienced a quantifiable increase in development with the increase in the non-white population. I'll double it if you can also demonstrate separately that development increases as white people leave. See a twofer - how generous am I grin?
2. Demonstrate that it was not the development of the population centres that attracted the minorities in the first instance?
3. Point to any institution, cultural practice or social moré that has improved Britain, that was not extant prior to mass migration and only arose as a result of the influx of non-white people. I am not referring to curry houses, nail salons or barber shops 0! grin

RodgersAkpafu:
That was the parallel I was trying to draw
But u MUST defend White Zaddy (as per your response to my Blackpool reference) so you jumped the gun and said what you said

Stop trying to deflect, obfuscate and deploy your usual boring and played-out ruse, henceforth named the "rakpafu smear fallback" . Far-right, racist, white supremacist, coon, coconut, house-nigger, it doesn't an argument make. Or, show any kind of critical thinking or basic intellectual capacity. I have said nothing about Blackpool.

RodgersAkpafu:
Lets draw a 2 × 2 Matrix

As per the UK:
We have:

White Majority composition shitholes: eg Blackpool, Glasgow (not everywhere though)

White Majority upscale areas : Harrogate, Swinderby,

Ethnic Majority /almost Majority/significant population upscale cities /areas : London, Manchester, Leeds, etc (btw I live in a city that can be designated as this)

AND

Ethnic Majority shitholes: Inner city Brum and say Bradford

What makes Inner city Bradford and Brum a shit hole is rhe SAME THING that makes a Blackpool and Glasgow environs a shithole despite the parallel racial composition of the four areas

So how can one, unless he has a lower self and racial self esteem
Then conclude that there is a strong link between the decline of "White ppl" in an area and the development of that area

The straw man of ethnicity doesn't work. No one ever claimed non-whites were inferior to whites. Neither ruse of poverty. It's about culture, about behaviours. So yes, the influx of certain minorities and sects bringing regressive behaviours is leading the UK to shit-holery. Quote me.

RodgersAkpafu:
London is led by Sadiq and it is a better city now than it was on the 1960s So what are we saying ?

And a 3-term mayor is responsible for 65 years of progress or turning around a decline.? What manner of dunderhead are you? And, no, for the man on the street, it's not better. Mobile phone thefts off the charts. Ditto muggings. Shop-lifting is not even policed. Let me leave endemic levels of sexual assault & rape gangage. Oh, and your personal favourite, sky-high levels of black teens getting shanked. But you are fine with that, as long as we don't say it's because they are black. Please show London is better because an ethnic minority is mayor and\or there has been an influx of minority residents?

RodgersAkpafu:
I see you guys and I see people that need help

Keep projecting. Why did you come to the UK. Karachi is there . Full of highly accomplished and superior brown-skinned people.

Reply with the RSF jig again and I will tell you all about yourself - the reason for your withered self-esteem and why you take solace in blaming our melanin-challenged brethren for all your palpitations .


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RodgersAkpafu:
A congregation of kneegrows with low self esteem and white saviour complex

Do you actually have anything other than smears and aspersions ?

RodgersAkpafu:
Imagine someone saying that the decline of white populations in these countries are directly correlated with the decline of development in that country, when here in Britain, the most developed population centres are the ones that most diverse and have a somewhat minority white population?

Ah, there you go, you have effectively answered my question above with this here statement.

You accuse (and roundly smear) someone who clams that decline of white people in a nation (and consequently the increase in non-whites) is directly correlated to the decline of the country. This may be right or wrong, weakly, strongly or totally uncorrelated, nuanced or pertaining to specific social outworkings only.

I don't know who posted it or if there was any supporting data? But then you go on to make exactly the same claim in reverse. Your hypocrisy, stupidity and plain ignorance are quite staggering.

Let's not play. I will give you (or any of the posters who liked your post) £500, if you can evidence any of the following;

1. That he most developed population centres in Britain where only developed or, in any way, experienced a quantifiable increase in development with the increase in the non-white population. I'll double it if you can also demonstrate separately that development increases as white people leave. See a twofer - how generous am I ?

2. Demonstrate that it was not the development of the population centres that attracted the minorities in the first instance?

3. Point to any institution, cultural practice or social moré that has improved Britain, that was not extant prior to mass migration and only arose as a result of the influx of non-white people. I am not referring to curry houses, nail salons or barber shops 0!

Please show us that you are not the embodiment of entrenched bigotry, racial hatred and a die-hard consumer of pathological quantities of ideological kool-aid. After arguing till you were blue in the face that black people are equal to white people , you posit the opposite here.

RodgersAkpafu:
Blackpool is a shithole and is majority white
If white people are by default the developers by skin colour, we won't be having a Blackpool and other white dominated cesspit here.

If you can answer the previous 3 questions I posed, I may respond to this in more detail. Guess what, I am not holding my breath. Your cowardly and craven tactics are quite obvious

RodgersAkpafu:
Just a bunch of wanna be "Christian evangelicals" gobbling up misinformation media from their white nationalist ppl they look up to

Come to Christ and be saved.


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A two-state solution (2SS) can never endure in the Israel\Palestine conflict – not least because neither side wants it! And, it will do nothing to change the underpinnings of the conflict. That much should be clear however one views this. I find it hard to believe that anyone who thinks otherwise is anything but naive, ignoant or disingenuous.

Let’s start with Palestine. Firstly, there have been several previous offers. All of them rejected out of hand and only served to prompt further terror attacks.

Secondly, “from the river to the sea” leaves Jews and a Jewish state where exactly? That chant, now being raised globally means only one thing. Why the pretence?

Thirdly, central to the Hamas charter is the eradication of any Israeli state and Jews worldwide. And, this mission statement is explicitly stated or, covertly understood and shared, by all the surrounding Arab\Arabized\Islamic nations. There is a deep-rooted Islamic loathing towards Israel and Jewry which realpolitik cannot resolve. Hence the previous – woefully unsuccessful - attempts by Islamic coalitions to war against and, annihilate Israel.

Iran, who we know funds Islamic terror groups against Israel and more widely across the globe also states this out loud. Iran regularly trumpets its intention to obliterate both Israel and the US, and impose sharia worldwide - It's stated unambiguously in the Iranian constitution.

Fourthly, for any muslim to cede Jerusalem, the Levant, or any part of the region described as Palestine to Jews would be tantamount to sacrilege, apostasy even. Which is one reason why all previous 2SS have been rejected. Dem no born any muslim well to relinquish land once conquered by muslims to those deemed infidels - let alone the “holy land” and Jerusalem, which muslims have backfilled into their scriptures and religious narrative. The same muslims that still unblinkingly claim Spain as Islamic territory - insisting on naming it Al Andalusia.

Fifthly, the Islamic scriptures are clear, the last day will not come until muslims war against and eradicate the Jews, that is the unspoken end-game. And Islam is, and will continue to pursue that in any which way possible.

Finally, those calling for the 2SS are virtue-signalling and for the most part will not put 1 worn-out boot on the ground (not yet anyway, but that prophecy will soon come to pass). Any Islamic nation that joins the call is doing so to curry favour with useful idiots and press home the advantage of world opinion turning against Israel.

The thought of a Jewish state in the midst of the Islamic heartland, on territory once conquered by Islam is anathema to muslims. Forget all notions of "right to exist", to muslims, the very existence of a Jewish state is offensive, an affront and like an open wound. 2SS, for where?
Now to Israel. Whether explicitly stated or not, Israel know exactly what they are dealing with and understand that to give an inch or to show any sign of weakness is to sign their own death warrant.

Israel know any nation carved out of Israel for a Palestinian state would be a constant thorn in their side. Afterall, what happened with the quasi-state (the Gaza strip) that was relinquished to the Palestinians? It was effectively turned into one big rocket launcher and munitions base. Riddled with tunnels and weapons caches, with all civilian facilities (and civilians) co-opted for military use. How much more a fully fledged state?

Not even sure why Nigerians of all people are debating this - it's the same spirit that animates the jihad - aka boko-haram, iswap, herdsmen killings, bandit raids etc. - currently sweeping through Nigeria and further abroad in Africa. It is also making appearances – albeit still mostly sporadic – in the West.

With Islam, there is always a reckoning – one side is subdued or one side surrenders. And as long as even a modicum of Islam exits, it will seek to regroup and return to its core imperative – world domination. The sword as it's tool, death and destruction in i’s wake. Will it end? Armageddon beckons.

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Please excuse the cynic in me, but this “peace agreement” sounds intentionally crafted to receive a resounding "no" from Hamas - and subsequently tee them up for the mother of all poundings.

A two-state solution (2SS) can never endure in the Israel\Palestine conflict – not least because neither side wants it! And, it will do nothing to change the underpinnings of the conflict. That much should be clear however one views this. I find it hard to believe that anyone who thinks otherwise is anything but naive, ignoant or disingenuous.

Let’s start with Palestine. Firstly, there have been several previous offers. All of them rejected out of hand and only served to prompt further terror attacks.

Secondly, “from the river to the sea” leaves Jews and a Jewish state where exactly? That chant, now being raised globally means only one thing. Why the pretence?

Thirdly, central to the Hamas charter is the eradication of any Israeli state and Jews worldwide. And, this mission statement is explicitly stated or, covertly understood and shared, by all the surrounding Arab\Arabized\Islamic nations. There is a deep-rooted Islamic loathing towards Israel and Jewry which realpolitik cannot resolve. Hence the previous – woefully unsuccessful - attempts by Islamic coalitions to war against and, annihilate Israel.

Iran, who we know funds Islamic terror groups against Israel and more widely across the globe also states this out loud. Iran regularly trumpets its intention to obliterate both Israel and the US, and impose sharia worldwide - It's stated unambiguously in the Iranian constitution.

Fourthly, for any muslim to cede Jerusalem, the Levant, or any part of the region described as Palestine to Jews would be tantamount to sacrilege, apostasy even. Which is one reason why all previous 2SS have been rejected. Dem no born any muslim well to relinquish land once conquered by muslims to those deemed infidels - let alone the “holy land” and Jerusalem, which muslims have backfilled into their scriptures and religious narrative. The same muslims that still unblinkingly claim Spain as Islamic territory - insisting on naming it Al Andalusia.

Fifthly, the Islamic scriptures are clear, the last day will not come until muslims war against and eradicate the Jews, that is the unspoken end-game. And Islam is, and will continue to pursue that in any which way possible.

Finally, those calling for the 2SS are virtue-signalling and for the most part will not put 1 worn-out boot on the ground (not yet anyway, but that prophecy will soon come to pass). Any Islamic nation that joins the call is doing so to curry favour with useful idiots and press home the advantage of world opinion turning against Israel.

The thought of a Jewish state in the midst of the Islamic heartland, on territory once conquered by Islam is anathema to muslims. Forget all notions of "right to exist", to muslims, the very existence of a Jewish state is offensive, an affront and like an open wound. 2SS, for where?
Now to Israel. Whether explicitly stated or not, Israel know exactly what they are dealing with and understand that to give an inch or to show any sign of weakness is to sign their own death warrant.

Israel know any nation carved out of Israel for a Palestinian state would be a constant thorn in their side. Afterall, what happened with the quasi-state (the Gaza strip) that was relinquished to the Palestinians? It was effectively turned into one big rocket launcher and munitions base. Riddled with tunnels and weapons caches, with all civilian facilities (and civilians) co-opted for military use. How much more a fully fledged state?

Not even sure why Nigerians of all people are debating this - it's the same spirit that animates the jihad - aka boko-haram, iswap, herdsmen killings, bandit raids etc. - currently sweeping through Nigeria and further abroad in Africa. It is also making appearances – albeit still mostly sporadic – in the West.

With Islam, there is always a reckoning – one side is subdued or one side surrenders. And as long as even a modicum of Islam exits, it will seek to regroup and return to its core imperative – world domination. The sword as it's tool, death and destruction in i’s wake. Will it end? Armageddon beckons.

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Difrent:
Are Pakistani causing trouble in the UK?

Was this meant to be a rhetorical question? Or, were you really expecting an answer? Did you actually look into it? Well here goes,

Yes, in broad terms, Pakistanis are a drag on the UK. You mentioned their implication in the Rape gang scandal - anywhere between 250k - 1 million mostly young white girls (but also boys, and other ethnicities), systematically raped, tortured, trafficked, drugged and even murdered. Literally zero acknowledgment or self-reflection from within the community itself.

How about other societal practices endemic within the Pakistani community. Let's start with cousin marriage - in this age? Compounded generationally, and gifting us with higher than usual congenitally low IQ and chronically ill children - with the attendant cost to the NHS and wider society.

How about honour killing and oppression of women more broadly. Leading to many failing to integrate or even speak English. Then there's the polygyny. Again, often on the public purse. One wife is married legally, and others islamically. The "add-ons" present to social services as single mothers and attract the attendant benefits. A man can have multiple wives, numerous children and no gainful employment.

At something like 4% the population, apart from being a drag on the NHS and welfare system, they are alsooverrepresented within the prison system. I'll forego comment on the rampant anti-semitism, virulent homophobia and corrupt tribal and sectarian politics.

Difrent:
Sadiq Khan has been mayor for 4 terms,

Three actually.

Difrent:
though some Pakistani were indicted in the rape cases, most are not a danger to the society

Yayy! you are correct. Many are not, but a disproportionate number are.

Nothing against any race or ethnicity being in Britain, but any right-minded person should decry the importation of backward and regressive practices that make the UK like a 3rd world shithole. Those who think highly of Pakistan should please visit - your eye go clear.

And that is why many "want their country back". Not from "brown skinned" people, but from the forced erosion of the heritage, culture and traditions of this nation. Especially when backward cultures and sectarianism are being forced on them in turn.


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RodgersAkpafu:
Yesso
My Shabana babe don enter home office

And she will do AN AMAZING JOB
That i know

That remains to be seen. Not clear she delivered a stellar performance in her previous office.

RodgersAkpafu:
As for the racists crying up and down
They should cry more

A stellar performance will shut any racists up and be clear to all right-minded, well-meaning people.

RodgersAkpafu:
This country is now OUR COUNTRY too
Including the Pakistani descent ppl
And us as well

And therein lies the rub. Claiming it as "our country" is one thing - what that means in actuality is another.

If the people of Pakistani descent (or Nigerian or Indian ad infinitum) aspire to the long-term prosperity and flourishing of "our country" and all it's citizens, then yes.

If the people of Pakistani descent (or Nigerian or Indian ad infinitum) desire to turn "our country" into a mirror image of the poverty-riddled, sectarian-ridden hellscapes they originated from and introduce the pathological behaviours (honour killings, cousin-marriage, 419, ritual killings, FGM etc.) that made them the shitholes they are, then no, then tension, then contrary and conflicting positions.

Let's see how this plays out


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@rodgersakpafu,

remember your post below and my response? Seems like your girl is still on the up and up. Congratulations to you both - for now!
I stand by my words that she will ultimately come a cropper due to where her true loyalties lie. Then again, maybe you will be proved right beyond even your wildest dreams - Shabs as PM ?

RodgersAkpafu:
@TV01

Just to clarify that my admiration for Shabana is rooted in her stand on issues and stating it without fear or favour

Has nothing to do with a "school boy crush"
Or "losing objectivity"
Just to point that our before you get things twisted

Relax yourself, that was just joshing, not a serious point. As noted, I care not for politics, political parties or individual politicians. I'll be back to josh you some more when she gets caught up in scandal.

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Ibime:
Believe Pallywood propaganda at your peril

Parents are obese, children are starving

One brother is fat, his sibling is malnourished

Them go package sick children as famine victims

I hear they are still booking tables in Gaza.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGTMN9mgKcc


But don't take an Israeli's word for it. Even Even Naijas are catching on

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IlgAium0TgM

It's not even cleverly staged. Carers and handlers are clearly well nourished, but the children are suffering from starvation?

More likely seriously-ill children being presented as famine victims. Likely much of the illnesses are due to the cousin-marriage beloved amongst the adherents of the reginal religion.

Google Gazan children being taken abroad for treatment. There are examples of them being taken to the US, the UK, France, Italy Spain, Canada and even Israel. Presumably the Arab\Muslim countries are also making efforts in this regards?


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AntiChristian:
Even if it is 1% clear, clear is clear!

Thanks. Happy to peg accordingly.

BlackfireX:
You are not even sure how clear your recitation is?

When one is forced to understand the incomprehensible, defend the indefensible and explain the inexplicable, it can only result in a deep-seated trauma. Let's be kind .


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