orisa37: You've not read enough to know enough. Please read more about Jesus and you'll be discovered.
Read enough? Like we should read how Jesus (god) was sent down by himself (god) to die for the sins of mankind so as to appease himself (god)? Or he was praying and crying to himself (god) to be rescued by himself (god) ? We have discovered enough in your bible about Jesus to make us run as fast as we could from Christianity
Someone said the problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves
Okay
i say to u again If u want to see examples of propehsy read the book of revelations. its online and free to read
The question is, are prophecies in the book of revelation the only forms of prophecy?
Now
U claim quran or ur prophet "prophesied" existence of a location where fresh water and sea water dont mix. i say to u that is a natural phenomeon called estuary example of one is sea of galiee and dead sea which is all located in the middle east. [quote]It wasn't Just a claim. There's a proof to back it up [quote]So he probably heard about it from someone- which u refuse to beleive.
Now this is a claim, you will have to provide evidence of him hearing it from someone. ......waiting
illiterate or educated has nothing to do with prophesy. There are illitrate who have common sense or instinct more than educated ppl For eg some illiterate farmers can predict when it would rain more accurately than meterologist can.
True in some cases
If u do ur research u will find
There is also brackish water (where frsh and sea water mix) and this are natural phenomenoms just like rain and sunshine that happens simulateously once in a while.
This phenomenon or occurence havee been in existence since forever and not 1400 years ago.
The estuaries could be due to change in depth of the sea bed or valleys on the sea bed, the freshwater sea bed has higher sea bed evelation while the sea water has lower elevation. There could be more factors causing this but i am no geologist or geographist to waste my time trying investigate that.
So?
Arabs made up a lot of bullshit which mumu africans like u still beleive and follow them like sheep that y they call u abd. because u dey chop there banana like monkey
Maybe you think calling us abd will infuriate us. Lol. Guess again. ......every Muslim is proud to be called abd of Allah (Abdullah). The earlier you realise that, the better for you
They also made up stories about virgins with big round pointed breasts and young men with 247 erection as reward for causing violence & killing innocent ppl .
Tell me how true that one is about the virigns?
There's no such reward for causing violence and killing innocent people. If you have any evidence to the contrary please provide
Arab and islam is like yoruba and ifa. The yoruba culture caused the formation of ifa so also arab culture caused formation of islam and dats y i always bring up arbas because its there culture.
Islam will always and forever have a lot to do with Arabic not necessarily Arab or Arabia The message of Islam came through an Arabian man in Arabic language. I am sorry if this upsets you but that's it.
WORDWORLD: At the AGE OF 12? Well this is someone elses oppinion.
(66) THE CARPENTER GOD! I am T. A. Gardener, 25 years. Jesus was a carpenter when he was twelve years of age and remained so until he was thirty, as The New Testament tells. He was earning his bread through carpentry, and there is certainly nothing wrong with that. However, I could not swallow the idea that God was a carpenter for eighteen years. I could not either swallow the idea that God was not only a carpenter, but just an apprentice in the early years of his career learning carpentry. I could not swallow the idea that Jesus until the age of thirty was behaving like a normal human being and waited until the age of thirty when he began to play the so-called role of God. The Christian God is the only god that was a carpenter! Jesus was a carpenter like thousands of human carpenters, and suddenly he became not a god, but God, God the carpenter or the carpenter God! My modest explanation is this. Jesus is a human being, and when he was thirty, God sent to him His revelation and ordered him to convey the message to the people of Israel only. Jesus is God's messenger. That is all. God gave him miracles as he gave to all messengers before and after him. This was my personal solution to the Christian dilemma. Later, I discovered that my understanding completely agrees with the Islamic understanding. This has convinced me to embrace Islam, which explains all my questions in a very convincing manner.
He has only succeeded in raising flimsy doubts and confusions which is a typical Sufi trait! Writing a retort for his crap would take a long time and I don't think it's really worth it.
You can't deny the fact that he made some points. Lexiconkabir post makes it sound like any hadith classified as sahih by the scholars is forever sahih, no new evidence or nothing can make it otherwise. It's like equating the authenticity of such graded hadith with that of the Quran.
Empiree: I think we should be careful of raising the level of hadith with standard of Qur'an. I personally don't have problems with ahadith he quoted. We can't be two extremes. To say that as long as hadith is in Sahih Bukhari is "authentic" is very wrong my brothers. You know why?. There is no book on earth that is 100% guaranteed accuracy except Quran because Allah said so (sura 15:9). Did Allah make similar claim with respect to Hadith?. Then again, Rasilullahi (Allah's Blessing and Peace be upon him) reviewed Qur'an with scribes. This is guaranteed. Did he do the same with Hadith?.
Point #2, neither Allah nor the prophet(saw) verified hadith. This claim alone kills it. If anything in Sahih Bukhari is perfect, then, why do we have grades and classifications?. That's, why do they classified ahadith Sahih, Hassan, Mawḍūʻ, daif?. Why would Sheik Albani(ra) who came only in 20th century graded ahadith after hundreds of yrs, after it was already graded?. This is common sense. My approach is not to bend my knees to kufar. We are talking facts here. We better reason outside the box before ti is too late.
Let me give you further example. It is very suspicious that they would grade some ahadith that speak about dhikr in gatherings and some other forms of Naflat or dhikr while walking etc as daif or fabricated but would grade some questionable ahadith as sahih like op quoted. I am not disputing what he quoted and i dont have problem with them. This is not about modernity. This is about review, scholarly review. Some muslims may criticize a man clutching around with tasbih(rosary) doing dhikr as bid'a or show off. Fact is it is also recorded in other narration (not Bukhari) that the Angels love a muslim who make dhikr of Allah while walking. But this practice is takfired by those who hold Sahih Bukhari wholeheartedly becuase they do not see it there.
If we claim the Sahaba are not infallible why then we think Hadith compilers could not make mistakes?. Common sense isn't?. I am telling you now that there are fabricated ahadith inside Sahih Bukhari. If Taurat of Musa (as), Injeel of Isa(as), Sabur of Daud(as) could be corrupted,, who told you Sahih hadith could not?.
Quran is the ONLY sahih and "iyalaya" mutawatir. This statement of mine doesn't mean I reject hadith because of this hadith
Miqdam ibn Ma’di reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Verily, I have been given the Quran and something along with it, but the time is coming when a man will recline on his couch and say: Keep to the Quran, for whatever you find in it lawful is lawful and whatever you find in it unlawful is unlawful....." Source: Sunan Abu Dawud 4604
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani
We can't be at the two extremes. It is extremism to reject hadith and claim Quran alone. Likewise, it is extremism to say Sahih hadith is 100% authentic. Sheikh Imran Hussein(May Allah preserve him) said:
"There are ahadith inside hadith that are fabricated" and that a whole hadith could also be fabricated". He gave example as follows:
Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 34, Number 425:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and no-body will accept charitable gifts.
@ highlighted, Sheik faulted it saying this is in conflict with Quran. That Jizya will last till the Day Of Qiyam. Isa(as) will NOT abrogate Shar'ah of Muhammad(saw) but will follow it. Did the sheik make sense?. Far as I am concerned, yes. The body of the hadith is sahih but contained element of mawdu within it. This is example of fabricated hadith inside hadith.
Also, it is another extreme to say every hadith that doesn't fit our restricted human intellect is false. No. This is incorrect. My point is, the two extreme must be rejected. Sahih hadith were not certified by Allah and His messenger nor was it reviewed by him. There are some ahadith that the Sufis used for some of their practices that are valid. But these ahadith are ceremonially removed from Sahih Bukhari and docked in some unpopular chains like Sunnah Abu Dawood, Tirmidhi etc. Myself growing up was Sahih Bukhari addict. But we must continue to study from wide spectrum without compromising Islam.
Concerning the age, it has always been a subject of debate. My understanding is, in those days, they do not record age. They go by maturity. So who put the age in this hadith?. Again, I am not denying the authenticity of the hadith nor do i have problems with it. What I do know is (unless you have evidence) that there was no earthly marriage ceremony between Rosululah (saw) and Aishat (ra). Their union was Divinely ordained by Allah (azwajal). So make no mistake, remember the Jews lived pretty much with Muslims in those days with their creepy mind and you think they could not have snuck falsehood therein?. In Shi'i hadith they actually recorded her age between 18 and 23 which means the age reported in Sahih is not binding. Hell, if non muslims want touse t against us, that's cheap. we have argued that severally here. I can as well back up the age reported in Sahih Bukhari whether they like it or not.
excanny: Yes, boys and girls wear different styles of the same uniform,
So why can't it also be modified since the use of hijab always is a necessity for Muslims.
because nature made us a bit biologically different. But religion came millions of years after nature.
But it doesn't change the fact that religion has a major role to play in a secular nation. If we both agree to this, then equity (fairness) should apply here and not equality (sameness)
So it cannot be used as a marker to differentiate people.
Says who?
A Muslim girl is not different biologically from a Buddhist or Christian girl, so they should not wear different uniforms.
It isn't all about biology, I gave you that example of male and female so you would know that just like biology made it a necessity for the uniforms to be modified so can religion
Good. Then take it to court and ensure that the use of vehicles in such area is banned
Besides we are a secular nation.
That's why preventing Muslims from using hijab was difficult for a competent court to do BTW what is the meaning of secular nation to you?
Why bring religion into govt school?
Cos Nigerian constitution recognises and respectS religions
What if Christians start covering theory hair with gele to school as they do to church
Go ahead and do what you will as long as the court grant you your wish
and also wearing church outfits?
I always laugh at this? What is church outfit? Which of the churches determines the outfit ? Cele? Deeper life. .....? Where is it in the Bible? The mistake you guys always make is that you always assume hijab is similar to your Christian dress(whatever that means). Do you wear your Christian dress morning afternoon and night? In the farms, market, on journey, everywhere? Do you even wear it in your parent's house? Hijab is a necessity, trying to fight Muslims after they Have followed due process and have been granted their wish after 2 years of struggle is highly intolerant of you.
excanny: Do these crackheead judges know the meaning of the word "uniform"? How can you have a school uniform when others can wear any kind of clothes they like on it.
It's uniform. But different stroke for different folks. Do girls wear the same uniform as boys? They are different yet still called uniform. So what's the problem here? BTW if you are more knowledgeable than these 'crackhead judges' , why aren't you the one passing the judgement? Take a look at this image
cyojunior1 Just because a hadith seems uncomfortable to you doesn't give you the right to reject it. Personally I do not see anything wrong with those ahadith. Rasul (SAW) married her (RA) at such an early age and so what? Was marriage of a girl at the age of 6 in his time considered distasteful? What actually is your problem with these ahadith
when you revere both the murderer and the murdered, and both the oppressor and his oppressed victim: this is what your beliefs have taught you and made out of you a zombie. what you needed to do to be an exemplary wahhabi zombie is to have included the name of Imam Hussein (as) and Yazeed (la) side by side and place after their names (ra) so your stupidity and blindness will be complete. watch the saudi wahhabi mufti vindicate yazeed (la) and praise him:
just as you bless Usthman, and you also bless Usthman's killer, Amr bin al-Hamq al-Khuzai because both were "companions". in that way the wahhabi mufti of saudi who is a yazeed lover will be very proud of you. watch egyptian wahhabi/salafist cleric bless both usthman and his killer after he had mistakenly (in a previous TV show episode) cursed the killer of Usthman not knowing the killer was also a sahabi (companion); He was quick to repent in the next episode to bless both Usthman and his killer because he was told Amr Ibn Hamq al-Khuzzai was also a "companion" :
(watch how Sheikh Yassir al Habib ridicules the Wahhabi/Salafist cleric, Muhammad Hassaan below; both contradictory episodes of Hassaan are also contained below).
No WA 4 u oooo. He isn't interested. None of us is interested in your opinions about Abubakar (R. A) . Just because he didn't pay you attention, you started calling him names.
WORDWORLD: No!!! Let us start from 'OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN'
...."Therefore YOU shall be PERFECT, just as your father in heaven is PERFECT" Matthew 5:48.
"If i lied, am human" Quoting Anus or Anas or what ever she calls herself in this other moniker.
Being human..................is no EXCUSE at all my dear to be telling BLATANT LIES. Because 'Our Father' in heaven requires PERFECTION not DECADENCE.
* Decadence means: Behaviour that shows that someone has LOW MORAL standards............LIES IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL.
The standard is not IMPEFECTION but to be PERFECT like our 'Father' in heaven.
Is LIES not a DEFECT?
So, to say because YOU ARE HUMAN and you think its A VALID ALIBI for you to be A LIAR, BOASTING ABOUT SUCH A DISEASE only shows that you are in a FAITH that makes LYING and LIARS feel at ease with such a DISEASE because such a FAITH is built on LIES and your DISEASE HEART finds it so appealling.
Jesus is not the founder of CHRISTIANITY. Jesus is not a LIAR. He never ever even heard that word before. NEVER!!! C-H-R-I-S-T-I-A-N-I-T-Y. From where?
The word CHRISTIANITY is NO where to be found inside the WHOLE of the Bible. Hence how do we ascribe DIVINITY to a word that is not DEFINED by the supposed book of DIVINE BOOK, THE BIBLE.
That word, Christianity is except found in the ENGLISH DICTIONARY as defined by MEN as the seem fit.
The word Christian too is but a NICK-NAME given to you by those who you also have NICK-NAMED as PAGANS.
Did Jesus ever called anyone a CHRISTIAN?
My Dear,
We Muslims believe that Jesus is not a LIAR, and from one of the speeches ascribed to Jesus in the Bible it reads.
"............THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE" John8:32
Except if what you are saying is that Jesus Christ should go and hit his head on the wall for telling us to always be TRUTHFUL, "that the TRUTH shall set us FREE"............. what does he mean? Doesn't he know that we are humans,.........."If I lie am human"?
Was he talking to MUSHROOMS when he was saying "THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE" or TO ANTS?
Or to HUMAN BEINGS?
SERIOUSLY AFTER TRUTH, THERE ARE NO PERMISSIBLE LIES.
Islam TEACHES PERFECTION, not DEFECTION we believe in TRUTH and TRUTH is PERFECT.
Allah says in the Quran:
"This day I have PERFECTED your 'DEEN' (RELIGION) and completed my FAVOUR upon you and APPROVED FOR YOU ISLAM AS YOU DEEN (RELIGION)" Quran 5:3
Two points.
1. PERFECTION
2. ISLAM is mentioned in the Quran and not only mentioned but an APPROVAL by ALLAH HIMSELF.
WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF CHRISTIANITY................A RELIGION BUILT BY HUMANS SUCH AS ANAS09, A LIAR.
"If I lie am human". Continue to be a DEFICIENT HUMAN BEING.
udatso did you hear what she said?..........is that a step towards repentance?
I heard oooo.. ..just decided to ignore her. Someone who lied and hasn't even apologized for that but claims she is just a human. . What else can we probably say to her?
lexiconkabir: Yea, she is a girl, infact a small fry , i wonder what gives her the boldness to lie this much, times without number she has shown how she lacks home training......you must have seen that too.
I actually used 'a lady' cos I felt she might be a mum.
kennyosein: This from the FATAWAA committee Family Photographs for the sake of remembrance – Permanent Committee First question from Fatwa No. 2296 Q 1: What is the ruling on taking photographs for the whole family and others for the sake of remembrance and amusement only? A: Photographing living beings is prohibited and one of the major sins whether a photographer considers it to be their job or not and whether it is a drawing, photograph or sculpture. Keeping these photographs, pictures or sculptures for remembrance or any other purpose will not change its ruling as there are many Hadiths reported in this regard. These Hadiths are general for all kinds of Taswir (drawing, photographing and sculpturing). Nothing is exempted from this ruling except what is necessarily required. May Allah grant us success! May peace and blessings be upon our Prophet Muhammad, his family, and Companions!
I don't know much about Sheik Eleha but I have listen to Dr. Alaro, Dr. Sharafadeen, Ustaz Ambieoya, Sheikh Najamdeen, Ustaz Saalih Oganijah, Ustaz Lukman Idris, and others they deem it haram but if you are referring to those celebrities that the ignoramus people called scholars eg. Zakir Nakir, Yasir Qadhir, Ali Nouman Khan, Menk, Yusuf Estes, Hamza Yusuf, Tariq Jameel, Aseem al Hakeem, Abu Eesa Niamutullah, Jamal el-Makki, Waleed Basyouni and others are no scholars of Islam, they are Muslims who mislead the ignorant Muslims may Allah rectify their affairs.
Allaahu Musta’aan
Your argument has been very solid not until you spoilt it with your unguarded comments at the end of your post. Are you a scholar yourself to brand them celebrities who mislead other Muslims? Do you know how many people have reverted because of these brothers? How could you say such thing about these brothers ? May Allah forgive you.
Ozize: See? Thats why I dont believe in hadiths! Hadiths are filled with superstitous beliefs and are lies against Muhammad. The Quran alone is enough for a wise muslim! SMH
Sometimes i wonder if its outright stupidity that drives certain individuals or its their passion to be shameless. Its time to expose you to the readers. 1. You made a very disturbing statement about the wordworld
2. You expatiated what you meant by that and expelling all doubts that it was a mistake by saying
Anas09: Exactly. Only days ago he was bashing Islam.
and
Anas09: What sense you have you now made? A while ago you were in an atheists thread bashing Islam. I asked you if you were no longer a Muslim, you denied ever being a Muslim. I'd rather be foolish for the sake of Christ, than be foolish for a foolish demented man like Muhammed.
3. The Op then challenged you to bring proof of your allegations above
1. WORDWORLD EVER having a discussion with you ANAS09. Where you asked me if I were no longer a Muslim? And I denied EVER being a Muslim.
And
2. Where I was BASHING Islam in that same discusion or thread.
ELSE REMAIN A CHRISTAIN,........" A FOOL FOR THE SAKE OF CHRIST........" 1corinthian4:10
Produce your Evidence 1. And 2. ........
Nairaland is on Black and White and it is open to the WHOLE WIDE WORLD.
I bet you TILL the world comes to an END, you Anas09 have NOTHING to produce.
4. Anas09 replied that the proof will be provided
Anas09: Oh dear. Na wa oooo. The mind of a Muslim. Don't worry I will post it here it's in my mention.
5. The next thing was this SHAMELESS LIAR to start changing the tune of the music
Anas09: Hello. I don't really care you decide to become. I shd take the trouble to pull out a thread you denied being a Muslim? For what? Who are you? Guy, be whatever you want. Tie a noose, hang yourself for all I care. Gerrarahia Anything you want to be, be. taa commot from here.
AND THAT WAS HOW THIS SHAMELESS COWARD COULDN'T PRODUCE ANY EVIDENCE FOR HIS FALSE ACCUSATIONS.
Anas09, Your shameless attitude makes me wanna puke. You are a disgusting fellow not worth engaging in any civil discussion. You are a shame to good Christians out there.
A similar scenario occurred between us when you disgracefully pulled out. i thought of giving you a second chance. But after this second display of unrepentant attitude, I guess you wont be getting it any time soon.
Your unwillingness to accept the diagnosis of your sickness so that treatment would commence to halt the spread of this virus to your other misinformed members of your association shows your unrivaled stupidity and dishonesty.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Anas09: Hahahahahahahaha. Muslim, I can't waste my MB on a Muslim who accuses a christian of fraud. Hahahahahahahaha. Gerrarahia. Go rid yourself of pedophilic tendencies. Anytime you work pass a 7 or 10 years old girl, your body kicks. Go treat your cleptomania. Go flush thoughts of rape out of you system. Your Allah openly boasted to be the best of deceivers of all man kind, yet you accuse of me of lies. You make me really laf. Now, move along
If you actually meant to use the word @ bold, it's spelt kleptomania. And by the way what brought that into the discussion? You falsely accused someone and he challenged you to bring proof. You either provide that and stop disgracing yourself here or forever be silent. Don't you have an atom of shame in you LIAR?
You always lie and when asked for proof, you start blabbing
Yinkame123: I seems not to understand what the writer is driving at. It's indisputable that Quran is a revelation from Allah to Prophet Muhammad through angel Jubril. To use a simple logic since what the op uses is logic if I asked you to tell a friend that ' if you don't give me my money in three days I will make sure I get you arrested by the police'. The quran container 6666 verses and 124 chapters scientific research has proven that the words it contains is not that of a man but someone in the highest realm of the universe.
Are you a Muslim? You made very obvious mistakes there. Quran doesn't have 6666 verses not 124 chapters. Do your research well
WORDWORLD: IS IT YOUR TEETH I ASKED TO BE SHOWN TO THE WORLD? WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE WHICH WOULD PROVE TO THE WOULD THAT YOU ARE NOT A LIAR?
BE OPENING YOUR TEETH.
That Anas09 will keep you waiting forever. LIES ooze from his mouth that he can never defend. i have equally challenged him here https://www.nairaland.com/3090399/u-muslim-pls-come-over/2#46791189 and its over a month now he hasnt been able to provide what he was asked. Their hobby is to lie while their associates shower praises on them.
Presbulg: Alhamdullilah, I just went through this post about a pastor who converted to Islam. As I was going through the comments, I found out the following. I'm glad I did .
A guy posted a youtube video link asking people to watch it saying the video exposes Islam
But unfortunately for him, a christian brother who understands the language discovered what they were discussing was totally different from what the subtitles were saying.
So he quoted the post up there and replied with this
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In order to buttress the what he said, he posted this again
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[b]The point I'm trying to make here is, unless people sit down or take their time to study about Islam and not what a few muslims out of about almost 2 billion muslims do. You won't understand Islam totally by just looking at muslims, yes even the good ones.
The media is not helping Islam at all, what they report is the bad things muslims do and rarely make the world know about the many good ones.
For example, during the last Ramadan fasting ALONE, UK muslims donated £100M to charity but the media never reported that. It was a twitter user that tweeted it in order for people to see how biased the media agency is Muslims. You can google it to confirm.
If you go through the comments under that video, you'll realize there people claiming the subtitles are totally different from what those men were saying. Obviously, this is the work of a person who is being used by the devil but Almighty God will continue to expose them.
Jazakallahu khairan for exposing this. In most cases I don't even care to look at what they post anymore Cos it's filled with lies. This same video in few weeks, months or years time, some of these miscreants will spread it again.
Christianity Etc › Re: How Could An Illiterate Man Who Lived 1400 Years Ago Know This?? by udatso: 7:49am On Jul 29, 2016
in that way the wahhabi mufti of saudi who is a yazeed lover will be very proud of you. watch egyptian wahhabi/salafist cleric bless both usthman and his killer after he had mistakenly (in a previous TV show episode) cursed the killer of Usthman not knowing the killer was also a sahabi (companion); He was quick to repent in the next episode to bless both Usthman and his killer because he was told Amr Ibn Hamq al-Khuzzai was also a "companion" : 
