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Empiree:
I am honestly forced to comment on this. I can't wait till end of Ramadan to respond. I decided to go offline because I wanted to avoid back to back talks, vain talks in this Blessed month of Ramadan. Back to topic, I DISAGREE with brother lexiconkabir. Respectively, you are very wrong dear brother. You make my stomach turned.

I dont think i need to cite references further as rilwayne001 and others already did that. Brother lexiconkabir, first all, there is no way hadith can abrogate any verse of Quran....NO WAY. Do you agree?

This verse STANDS and VALID until end of time.


"THERE'S NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION"



The problem you have and those scholars you quoted have is wrong methodology. Let's assume the hadith you quoted is valid. Have you ever heard of something called "system of meaning"?, which means you can not take the above hadith or any hadith in isolation. This is lazy man methodology. You and those scholars supposed to put together all the data in reference to the hadith, put them together to form harmonious whole and then derive a meaning. You and the scholars you claimed you support took the hadith in isolation. This is very wrong and dangerous.


Now, let me explain the hadith to you if indeed it is true to begin with. The context of the hadith in reference to another hadith that you failed to cite in your #5 is when the prophet(saw) made the statement, it was in the time of war and if the apostate pose a threat to the community. So it is to mean that in that time when every man was a soldier at war and call to defend Muslim populace and then he joins the other side(enemy) and divulges the secrets of Muslim military to the enemy, then he's to be killed. This is clear case of treason. This is also general rule in any given nations today.


There is ABSOLUTELY NO COMPULSION in Islam. You and your scholars go against Quran.



The thing is, in Islam, there is no separation of Church(Mosque) and State. Therefore, if a Muslim openly renounces Islam and then saying unspeakable things against Islam which may prevent or lead people astray or speak against the state, this is considered treason. It is only then govt will act NOT individual. When such a person in punished in our modern time, non-Muslims do not look at it as treason but as religious repression. They failed proper investigation.



As for you statement that Sahih hadith are ALL REVELATIONS, brother, it takes a very simply physics to dispel such mythology of yours. Yes, hadith is revelation also as reported by the prophet(saw) himself. But there is no where Allah guarantees protection of any religious Books or any books except Qur'an.


Allah Knows Best

Nice

ladyF:
Omg! OP this looks like small pox, don't ask me how I know It is a very deadly disease.

I have a solution to it. Bring 2 cockroach leg, 1 mosquito antenna, 1 full chicken, 5 slim short snakes, and a big basket of tomato. The gods need to be appeased!

It's [size=15pt]LadyF[/size] again

Hahahha.. .you are so funny.
You made my day

Abeymills:
Its d tyrant president dat need deliverance

How's he a tyrant? I keep hearing guys say this.

If you are partially blind, get glasses or ask a friend to read to you

Anas09:
I didn't see your post mentioning pastors who reverted, post again, let me Google them

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Maamin:
is there ever any truth in ur religion other than lies?...make sure u ask the one true God to reveal the divine truth to u during this Ramadan.

Slalom aleikhem!

How can you learn Hausa from a Yoruba man who doesn't speak Hausa? Happy learning from your great Islamic scholar ifean.

Anas09:
A Muslim is a Muslim. You all serve the moon god. Have you tried finding out who Salman Rusdhi was? He was not just an Imam, he was Sheikh or whatever you call it.
And Bilqius Sheikh, she was a Sultan's Daughter. The only reason why she didn't take her father's throne was because she was female. She was called, "Sultana". Under the roof of the head of Muslums, Jesus snatched her off. Shame on Satan.

Until you pass the challenge, don't bother waiting for a reply from me

Anas09:
I didn't see your post mentioning pastors who reverted, post again, let me Google them

Don't be foolish. You challenged me and I gave you the same challenge only in place of Christian pastors that reverted in Nigeria , all You had to do was mention the Muslim imams or scholars that reverted. Now that you have displayed your dishonesty, you aren't worth my time. Now piss off

tico1212:
You still don't get it.
How do you explain using hijab in a missionary schools..in a school like Baptist and methodist schools.

[quote author=Laid2001 post=46743410]This is what one Journalist@ Yemi Adeleke wrote, I am not a big fan of Aregbe but I can confirm to you that his hands are clean in this matter. If anything, his govt has served the interest of Christians than Muslims in terms of appointments and financial assistance. Lemme mention some:
1. His appointments, commissioners and Special advisers were skewed in favour of Christians 75-25%

2. He donated #30million to OSUN Baptist for the construction of their auditorium.

3.Another #35million for the burial of late Obadare.

4. CAC olaiya was valued at #59.7 when government demolished it to pave way for road construction. Aregbe added another #30m to make it #89.7 in spite of the fact that majority of the individual property owners have not been paid.

I just decided to mention these few for you to know that Aregbe has served xtains the more.

Now to the main issue of hijab.

1. All the schools, including missionary schools, were taken over by government in 1975 by the military govt. Govt discovered at that time that the subvensions given to xtian missionaries were not judiciously utilised! This was discovered when govt gave similar subvension to May Flowers school ( a school founded by Tai Solarin, an atheist) and the money was judiciously spent. Govt was surprised that same could not be said of the xtain missionary schools. Govt had to call for a probe and it was discovered that most of the subventions were not used for the purpose they were meant for. Again, the pieces land for the construction of the churches and schools were donated by the community.

This prompted the govt to ask them to value their property and place side by side the subvention they got from govt. It was discovered that most of them were even indebted to govt and govt had to take over the schools. Those who had spent beyond the subvention were compensated.

If govt had changed all d names of the missionary schools, possibly nobody would be laying claim to any name or heritage today.

2. Ever since then, govt has been responsible for the financing and running of the schools but the church still interfere vicariously. For example, in some schools, people of other faith or denomination cannot head a school that is run and funded by govt.

3. Muslim students are subjected to Christian mode of worship on assembly grounds in all schools, whether missionary named, community named or government named schools.

4. The agitation to allow Muslim students practise their faith without being subjected/forced to follow the creed of others had been on for long.

5. For instance, during the regime of Oyinlola, he was approached. His administration granted Muslims female students the right to wear hijab only in Muslim named school but not in Christian-named, community-named or govt named schools despite the fact that they are all owned by government and financed with public fund.

6. The agitation continued under Aregbe who called both Muslim and Christian leaders to meet and resolve the lingering issues amicably. They could not!

7. In 2013, the Muslim community approached the court to seek justice.
Pls note that the Muslim community took govt to court and NOT CAN! But CAN chose to join in the case which was eventually won by the Muslims.

8. The judgement was based on the fact that it's the fundamental human right of the Muslim female students to wear hijab especially since all schools belong to govt and not any religious body!

9. The xtains are unsatisfied with the judgement but instead of approaching the court for stay of execution and appeal, they have resorted to propaganda and blackmail!

10. They've asked their children to wear church garments to schools without recourse to legal approach. But can this be sustained judging from the fact that church garments are not an everyday wear of the xtains whereas hijab is an everyday Muslim female outfit ordained by Islamic injunction.

11. I do not know what is detestable

Laid2001:
This is what one Journalist@ Yemi Adeleke wrote, I am not a big fan of Aregbe but I can confirm to you that his hands are clean in this matter. If anything, his govt has served the interest of Christians than Muslims in terms of appointments and financial assistance. Lemme mention some:
1. His appointments, commissioners and Special advisers were skewed in favour of Christians 75-25%

2. He donated #30million to OSUN Baptist for the construction of their auditorium.

3.Another #35million for the burial of late Obadare.

4. CAC olaiya was valued at #59.7 when government demolished it to pave way for road construction. Aregbe added another #30m to make it #89.7 in spite of the fact that majority of the individual property owners have not been paid.

I just decided to mention these few for you to know that Aregbe has served xtains the more.

Now to the main issue of hijab.

1. All the schools, including missionary schools, were taken over by government in 1975 by the military govt. Govt discovered at that time that the subvensions given to xtian missionaries were not judiciously utilised! This was discovered when govt gave similar subvension to May Flowers school ( a school founded by Tai Solarin, an atheist) and the money was judiciously spent. Govt was surprised that same could not be said of the xtain missionary schools. Govt had to call for a probe and it was discovered that most of the subventions were not used for the purpose they were meant for. Again, the pieces land for the construction of the churches and schools were donated by the community.

This prompted the govt to ask them to value their property and place side by side the subvention they got from govt. It was discovered that most of them were even indebted to govt and govt had to take over the schools. Those who had spent beyond the subvention were compensated.

If govt had changed all d names of the missionary schools, possibly nobody would be laying claim to any name or heritage today.

2. Ever since then, govt has been responsible for the financing and running of the schools but the church still interfere vicariously. For example, in some schools, people of other faith or denomination cannot head a school that is run and funded by govt.

3. Muslim students are subjected to Christian mode of worship on assembly grounds in all schools, whether missionary named, community named or government named schools.

4. The agitation to allow Muslim students practise their faith without being subjected/forced to follow the creed of others had been on for long.

5. For instance, during the regime of Oyinlola, he was approached. His administration granted Muslims female students the right to wear hijab only in Muslim named school but not in Christian-named, community-named or govt named schools despite the fact that they are all owned by government and financed with public fund.

6. The agitation continued under Aregbe who called both Muslim and Christian leaders to meet and resolve the lingering issues amicably. They could not!

7. In 2013, the Muslim community approached the court to seek justice.
Pls note that the Muslim community took govt to court and NOT CAN! But CAN chose to join in the case which was eventually won by the Muslims.

8. The judgement was based on the fact that it's the fundamental human right of the Muslim female students to wear hijab especially since all schools belong to govt and not any religious body!

9. The xtains are unsatisfied with the judgement but instead of approaching the court for stay of execution and appeal, they have resorted to propaganda and blackmail!

10. They've asked their children to wear church garments to schools without recourse to legal approach. But can this be sustained judging from the fact that church garments are not an everyday wear of the xtains whereas hijab is an everyday Muslim female outfit ordained by Islamic injunction.

11. I do not know what is detestable in wearing hijab in a public institution when your children are not forced to wear it.

12. Are we truly tolerant as we make people to believe?! Your guess is as good as mine!

13. As a journalist who practise in the state and is abreast of the situation, I decided to put this across to you (my AGOSA friends) for us to know the true situations of things, instead of the lies and propaganda that fly around.

14. I hope we all read this objectively and pass commen

God bless you and the writer as well as all those who forwarded this

udatso:
Sir, what is the christian garment? Support your answer with biblical verses.

When Sharia law was implemented in some part of the north, you complained. ...
Islamic banks nkor.. ..you screamed islamization, if you have Christianity banking Pls go for it, we dont fight people for seeking for their right... .
When we equally ask for hijab to be allowed, you fight us too.. ..
Incase you haven't noticed, you guys always Oppose anything Islam.

You can pretend not to have seen the bold question before you asked yours.

IYANGBALI:
Sir,let's start this discussion by knowing the definition of the word UNIFORM without attaching religious sentiment. When you answer me we can now talk

If you cant see the hypocrisy in your post when you said Christian garments, you aren't worht my time. Answer my questions, maybe I might find you worthy of my reply

Owliver:
are you comparing the religious awareness of today to that of five years ago.

you shut up

I regret quoting you in the first place. I don't know when you guys are going to face the reality that goodluck lost the election because of his actions and inactions.. ...you can keep playing the religious card all you want. Besides, we all know the party that brought religion into last elections

Bobbywallexino:
they are Islamic blackmailers without evidence sponsor by Israel.

Instead of him to mention what I asked, he is talking about Pakistan.. ...i didn't ask him to mention converts in Pakistan or elsewhere, I requested for Muslim scholars or known imams that left Islam for Christianity. I am still waiting for Anas09 to pass his challenge

Anas09:
I will give you just two names from your most revered Islamic countries.
Ahmed Salman Rusdhi, the Author of the Satanic Verses I the Koran.
Ali Sina.
A Sultans Daughter in Pakistan, the Author of "I Dared to Call Him Father.

Clearly you forgot your challenge you brought up which I passed and have challenged you with but you have failed obviously. ...lets recapitulate
You said :

Anas09:
Hahahahahahahaha. Imaooo. Na wao people. So Islam is such a great religion that's why Bishops and Pastors are reverting to Islam? People leave Christianity and to be come worshippers of Satan in broad day light, so if you think people convert to Islam because Islam is a right religion, then you more stupid than I thought.
Sir, mention how many Pastors in Nigeria have reverted to Islam,

I answered you by giving you two men of God( a reverend and a pastor) In Nigeria who left Christianity for islam as you have challenged.
Unfortunately instead of you to mention Islamic scholars or imams that left Islam for Christianity in Nigeria as you challenged me, you started talking about

Anas09:
I will give you just two names from your most revered Islamic countries.
Ahmed Salman Rusdhi, the Author of the Satanic Verses I the Koran.
Ali Sina.
A Sultans Daughter in Pakistan, the Author of "I Dared to Call Him Father.

Is Ahmed Salman rushdi Or the sultan's daughter a Nigerian?
If you cant admit your dishonesty, you aren't worth my time.

Owliver:
you are blind. religion has always been for politics. wondered why buhari was voted massively by the north? religion was the tool. religion is the greatest tool of politics. look at the middle east. dont you understand whats going on there?

What about his years of failure? Was there no religion then? Just shut up if you have nothing reasonable to say

we in south are quick to lebel Jonathan thief because we are so educated we see too much, how many times have the northerners labelled criminals from their region? even abacha is still worshiped. the north have always reduced education why? to control their people for[politics. open your eyes. religion is politics.

the earlier you people understand that the better.

When did southerners label him thief? Proof

Nbote:
Our so called religious leaders these days are d number one proponents of confusion in our society. From time immemorial d hijab has always been part of a Muslim's culture and beliefs and as Christians our only respect for scarfs and head coverings have always been restricted to the house of God and during prayers. D recent calls for removal of hijab was only necessitated by it's continous use as a disguise in carrying out terror attacks. Our church leaders are simply setting a bad precedence for us to follow considering d hijab neither grants dem any undue advantage over Christian students nor does it intimidate dem in any way. D choir garments are called choir garments for a reason. So long as after school dey simply go and dump d garments and go on their usual routine den it's totally stupid of dem.

Am so happy we still have reasonable people like you who do not allow sentiments to becloud their judgement.
God bless you

kolomax:
who told you this nonsense that turkey was 100% Christians you need to be flogged for this rubbish you posted Christians percentage is just 25% now it has been reduce to 20% (5% accepted Islam) so always get your fact before spewing trash.. Assignment for you check the history of Muslims in Spain and tell me what Christians did to them

You dey mind them? They don't bother to read. They are too lazy. All they do is forward unverified news that was sent to them.

1 like for your comment from me

Adeoba10:
I think dis same issue happened in lag, n d judgment was in favour of d xtian, d muslim appealed or so.... D best tin is to appeal rada dan just dispensing trash... D Muslims are known to wear dia hijab 24hours, to market, party, anywhere, apart from sunday which day do christian put on dia robe. All dos shouting missionary sweat... If it were to be MISSIONARY MARKET will dey stop dos wearing hijab not to patronize dem. Both d governor n d concerned party shld do d needful.

Well said sir

IYANGBALI:
the more reason we should not be sentimental when it comes to official matters. It is called UNIFORM,if muslims chose to dress to school as their religion commands other religions too should be allowed to do same. The only way out is let everyone wear the same school uniform or wear their religious garments to school as the governor wants for his muslim people.

Taliban aregbesola wants trouble in osun state,insha Allah he will get more than he bargained for.

Sir, what is the christian garment? Support your answer with biblical verses.

When Sharia law was implemented in some part of the north, you complained. ...
Islamic banks nkor.. ..you screamed islamization, if you have Christianity banking Pls go for it, we dont fight people for seeking for their right... .
When we equally ask for hijab to be allowed, you fight us too.. ..
Incase you haven't noticed, you guys always Oppose anything Islam.

MKO4ever:
I support this proposal for as long as they can wear the dress and enter plane from Lagos to Abuja
Or for as long as they can dress like that to their friend's wedding ceremony
And same thing is applicable to the church garment too

Unfortunately they can't. A Muslim of 16 years that uses hijab has had Probably many years of experience using it(For some even before they clock a year old). Am glad CAN have exposed their intolerance to the world. We know what they think of us (Muslims) now.

Oladim001:
Won tun gbe tuntun de e. Rilwayne001, demmzy, udatso come and hear ooo. This mumu said not all christains are trinitarians. Wow i didnt know that oo. na 'genetically you used before na why you come change am to 'extremely'. Confused being.

Unfortunately that's true. He is not a trinitarian, and so is ayok.u77 and many others. Not all Christians are. The liKes of malvis.guy212 Olaad.egbu true2go.d truthman.2012 are triniatrians.. ....
Take a look at this thread to know how shameless this Annunaki of a guy can be

https://www.nairaland.com/3086804/annunaki-read-old-testament and

https://www.nairaland.com/3104292/rilwayne-001-say-better-believe
He is best ignored

Scholar8200:
Now since He loved them before they started obeying Him, His call to obedience is because if they did otherwise, He may warn them of the consequences of their choice and delay same but not forever lest it becomes injustice. At such time, He gives them up ,in love, to the consequences of their choices which He had attempted to shield them from. I said HE does that in love because HE expects that will bring them, not to destruction, but to repentance.

And at the end, the disobedient ones would not be rewarded with love. Do you deny this?

The Bible is replete with such examples of Israel's rebellion and repentance. A good example is the quote from 2 Chronicles 34:15 earlier in this thread.

No, it only begets a broken covenant with room for a restoration if there is repentance on the part of the defaulting party. Only God Who initiated the OT had the power to disannull it and He made it clear He would in Jeremiah 31:31.

And when there's no repentance, No love for the unrepentant. That's the conclusion you are avoiding

And those fathers had neither covenant nor laws to obey to earn that love. They simply responded to the overtures (which many rejected Romans 1:21-23) of God's Love and walked with Him by faith.

The point is covenant or no covenant, the unrepentant would earn his wrath in the afterlife. Again, do you disagree with this?

Kindly re-quote them.

No time necessary, I have asked them again in this reply

BetaThings:
Unacceptable to who?
And you think what the Christians are wearing to public schools in Osun is acceptable in Christian private schools?

Don't mind these so called tolerant Christians. I have asked him to give evidence of the school students wearing niqaab.... Still waiting for him though

Anas09:
But you have time to engage me, yet am not a Muslim. What does it matter, he has info about you whether he is a person of faith or not, he has info about you. The least you could have done is let him spill it, oh wait!!!!. You are scared at what he may bring out.
Islam is dying man. Muslims will kill Islam by themselves.

You are religious. He isn't. That's the difference. Besides, would you waste your time explaining to an atheist how Jesus Christ raised the dead? That's an aspect of faith which he lacks.
I challenged you to name ex Muslims scholars in Nigeria that are now pastors. You seem to be quiet on that.

Anas09:
Hear your sense? Be a good lad and point around you where atrocities of the Bible believers. How come we read this same Bible, both Christians and Jews and get loving, caring, forgiving and tolerant, but today muslims read the Koran, and get violent, murderous and heartless?

What a joke @ bold. Betathings and vedaxcool
Can you imagine?

muri4mig:
this is a typical christian which the world want us to believe are more tolerating. Because some yoruba muslims eat puck, eat strangled meat, drink bear just like you, you like them. Any day they give up such practices you called them fanatics. I don't get it with christian. Why is it that they find it so hard to mind their business? If muslim want to hear hijab to school because it is their religion believe, christian will suddenly remember to dress in choir rope to school, even though they don't put that on not even in christian schools. What did you call that if not hypocrisy. you labeled muslim fanatics only when they practice their religion according to tenant of the religion. May God save us from the hypocrites!

Amen poo. Tell them oooo.
And one Mr A will come here and be telling me Christians are tolerant

vedaxcool:
Sad indeed is the condition of these people.

Don't mind them.... In one hand they tell us Muslims are accepting Christianity....(10 thousand in Pakistan, millions yearly in Africa abi no the whole world) yet they say we behead these converts. Yet none of them has shown us this the beheading of this Pakistani converts.
Their case is indeed pathetic... .. .

Anas09:
You chickened out. You know he will spill your guts out. If he lied, why didn't you shout out Lair? Why coward out?

I don't want to engage him because it's a waste of time. Not everyone has the time to waste like you.

Anas09:
Hahahahahahahaha. Imaooo. Na wao people. So Islam is such a great religion that's why Bishops and Pastors are reverting to Islam?

The same can be said about Christianity too

People leave Christianity and to be come worshippers of Satan in broad day light, so if you think people convert to Islam because Islam is a right religion, then you more stupid than I thought.

This doesn't mean that there aren't those who saw the light in Islam.

Sir, mention how many Pastors in Nigeria have reverted to Islam,

http://www.newsexpressngr.com/news/detail.php?news=1533
http://dailypost.ng/2015/08/04/c-s-pastor-dumps-christianity-for-islam-converts-church-to-mosque/

let me mention the ones who came out of Islam and are now global pastors.

Please do, and bear in mind the same law applies to you. The ones you are going to mention should be Islamic scholars just like the above two of Christianity I mentioned above.

And, pls don't go mentioning some obscure names you alone knows and spins out of your imaginations. Mention names everyone knows.

Actually the ones I mentioned made headlines. So before you go about mentioning adeboye and others, you should be very sure they were Muslim scholars before they accepted Christianity and not just born as Muslims and raised in a Muslim home.

No matter how you Christians try to twist this, you will fail. CAN exposed their hatred for Islam, their intolerance and hypocrisy