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lawani:
You miss the point. One culture is dominant in the USA. State funded education is English based. Their ties are with the UK. They were a post of Britain and majority of them descended from Britain and Ireland. In your Biafra will be Yoruba people. Infact the Obi Onitsha is a Yoruba descent man but now Igbo and etc. That is how it is. Dominate your sphere!

Now, this restructuring you mentioned, what about police and soldiers? The main thing is let non Yoruba soldiers and police leave Yoruba land as part of your restructuring. Do you like that? If you dont, you must be evil.

Majority of Americans did not descend from Britain stop spreading falsehood, What will you say about the Germans and the French.

Remember, as at the time America gained independence, they were just 13 rebellious States, now they are 50, so the remaining 37 were not under Britain at all, but instead came from former French prooerty (Louisiana) Mexico (Texas, California AZ and NM) and even Russia (Alaska) so your point is not valid in America's case.

These aee loveky citues indeed.
Africa is not all negative.

Duru1:
Do not be deceived with the alleged diversity in USA. There must be a dominate culture for nation states to survive. In the case of USA, it is English. As you have alluded with the case of Sarkozy and Hungary, yet the dominate culture is French and the language is the unit of measure.
It is not out of ordinary to request the existence of Republic of Igbo land or even Biafra where a dominate culture can consolidated all the elements of progressives.

And besides, the American culture today is a mixture of several cultures, that is why it is called the "melting pot of cultures" Fine the language many speak is English, but it all surprise to know that America has no official language at the federal level, so there are dozens of Languages spoken in America too, like French is Louisiana, German in ND and Spanish in California/New Mexico.


If you have proposed a confederation of ethnic nationality under the Nigeria umbrella, where each nationality handles it's issues and do not need to run to Abuja to beg, !then contribute for federal infrastructure army and foreign policy, that would have made more sense, but disintegration?

That is a lazy argument

Duru1:
Do not be deceived with the alleged diversity in USA. There must be a dominate culture for nation states to survive. In the case of USA, it is English. As you have alluded with the case of Sarkozy and Hungary, yet the dominate culture is French and the language is the unit of measure.
It is not out of ordinary to request the existence of Republic of Igbo land or even Biafra where a dominate culture can consolidated all the elements of progressives.

What is the dominant culture in Belgium?
Switzerland? even say Canada? are these countries not working and developed?

Find another excuse.

Daboomb:
That is the mentality that the WEST is pushing into our children and women of today!

Kick your husband out of the house, poison the mind of your children and let the children moan that their father is a bad person, despite working his socks-off to provide for all their needs!

That is exactly the life of people in the Western countries.
That is why they raise children that become "psychologically unbalanced" adult!

"Family Chaos" is the end-result.
May God help us.

Yea right.

But many Fathers in Nigeria should quit being assholes.

Many of them believe being an asshole is their God given right, and the result of that is seen in many suffering and unbalanced kids on the streets today.
The problem is a two way thing, and for us ti save our society from collapsing, we have to fix it

Duru1:
The Europeans were wise and decided to make sure that culture and tradition should be cornerstone of nation building. Germans and French could not live together in one country. Most of the wars fought in Europe have come as a result of maltreatment of certain minority ethnic group in one country while their brethren are heterogeneously majority in neighboring country. The tribal nations in Nigeria are growing large and wide with stronger embrace to culture and tradition. In future, there must be a need to have a distinct nation for ethnicity. Besides, there is an unforeseen power in vernacular when used as language of education.

If Africa follows that line and divide based on ethic lines, we will have more than 1000 countries in Africa, and how viable can they be?
The reason why the Europeans overran us in the first place is that clannish proposition you have for Nigeria to divide based on ethnic lines.
With more than 250 tribes in Nigeria, should Nigeria now split into 250?

Duru1:
The Europeans were wise and decided to make sure that culture and tradition should be cornerstone of nation building. Germans and French could not live together in one country. Most of the wars fought in Europe have come as a result of maltreatment of certain minority ethnic group in one country while brethren are heterogeneously in majority in neighboring country. The tribal nations in Nigeria are growing large and wide with stronger embrace to culture and tradition. In future, there must be a need to have a distinct nation for ethnicity. Besides, there is an unforeseen power in vernacular when used as language of education.

The French are a mixture of different tribes and countries out together and unified by the French language.
heck, Sarkozy's father was from Hungary and many other French politicians and people come from many other places, but because their skin is white, you will not know.

The Italians came together as a country, but there are not the same people in the real sense of it when you check from 200 -300 years back.

The Spaniards the same thing, even the United Kingdom, they are not the same people at all, but in most cases, they decided to forge a common Destiny.
Why can't Africans do the same?

Are United States the same people?
What of Belgium? Canada? even India?

What do you have to say about my point?

Duru1:
This is one among many reasons we should not allow the January 15, 1966 coup to slide into political weapon of tribal hatred. If Nigerian armed forces of the northern region indigenes were not involved in 1966 riot, we would not have this discussion.

Yea right.

If Nigeria gets over its tribal acrimony, Nigeria will be a great country indeed.
Disintegrating Nigeria will be too bad, and the damage will be felt across Africa indeed, as the armed forces will have to be disintegrated too; and you know what that means for many African countries

Duru1:
You are dead wrong as usual. There was 1953 Kano massacre. Again, do not try to create fans on inaccuracies.

It was more of a riot than a massacre.

Serious casualties were suffered on both sides.
And what sparked the Kano riots started in Lagos

Duru1:
You are dead wrong as usual. There was 1953 Kano massacre. Again, do not try to create fans on inaccuracies.

Sorry, I got the date wrong.

Duru1:
In a public arena like this forum, try to measure your words and be mindful of your characterization. A person who can read and write cannot be classified as an illiterate by person who claimed be literate. Besides, the most of the kids had Grade 1 or 2 in WASC hence were able to attend the British West Africa Officers Cadet Academy in Tasha, Ghana and onward to Sandhurst Military Academy, UK.

I was referring to the riff raffs that were killing Igbo on the streets in the north, not the officers. You obviously did not understand who I was referring to.

pazienza:
Igbos were already dominant in the Army and civil service before Nzeogwu coup. Their dominance in those sectors were not fall outs of Nzeogwu coup, they were earned through hard word and adventurism prior to Nigerian independence, when the British were in charge and competence trumped mediocrity.

The coup plotters killed many Igbo soldiers out of hate, resentment, revenge, etc.

Igbo dominance in the civil service was earned. The colonial employed the best hands, Igbos were the best hands, and were adventurous enough to leave their enclaves to take up employment in any remote part of Nigeria their services were needed.

I agree with this your post now our dominance in the army and the civil service was worked for and earned, and if course was not because of nepotism.
I thought you wanted to deny that fact, then I would have known for sure that you are mischievous if you did that.

blues2022:
Your post lack one vital thing, substance. Its base on hypothesis. As far as we know, the Igbos were lynched by mobs led by Police and Army officers during the progrom. That was clear state sponsored killing. Read one of Wole Soyinka's book (and the man died) to get more details.
There is no guarantee that the death of Nnamdi Kanu will lead to the massacre of Northerners in the East. That is pure baseless assumptions...

Then you have not been to the east lately.

pazienza:
Really? How many Igbo people has to be murdered for it to serve as massacre to you? 1 million?
https://www.nairaland.com/2791382/history-igbo-massacre-across-northern

Col Arthur Unegbe was killed in the coup.
Zik was not in the country during the coup, Okpara was entertaining a foreign leader during the coup.

Ademoyega was a major part of the core coup plotters, some only you know what you meant by to a lesser extent.

How exactly did the Igbo have the Army in their pocket Post Nzeogwu coup?
How exactly did they have the civil service in their pockets Post Nzeogwu coup?
I eagerly await your statistical substantiation of the above questions with credible sources.

No, the Akenzua Igbophobic article was written before the war, Ahmadu Bello Igbophobic footage was made before the coup , the details of the Northern house of Assembly meeting to curb what they termed "Igbo dominance", was made before the coup.

You will be a mischievous character, to chalk up the Igbophobic stench emanating from Arewa-Oduanistan to the fall out of the Nzeogwu coup.

And besides, it is common knowledge that the Igbo were dominant in the civil service prior to the civil war, denial of this will be mischievous.

And besides, if the Igbis did not have the army in their pocket, why did the coup plotters have to kill many Igbo Officers to curtail their influence in the army

It was the Igbo dominance in the civil service that made Ahmadu Bello voice out his fear about Igbo domination.

For you to be talking like this, well sha, I reserve my remark

pazienza:
Really? How many Igbo people has to be murdered for it to serve as massacre to you? 1 million?
https://www.nairaland.com/2791382/history-igbo-massacre-across-northern

Col Arthur Unegbe was killed in the coup.
Zik was not in the country during the coup, Okpara was entertaining a foreign leader during the coup.

Ademoyega was a major part of the core coup plotters, some only you know what you meant by to a lesser extent.

How exactly did the Igbo have the Army in their pocket Post Nzeogwu coup?
How exactly did they have the civil service in their pockets Post Nzeogwu coup?
I eagerly await your statistical substantiation of the above questions with credible sources.

No, the Akenzua Igbophobic article was written before the war, Ahmadu Bello Igbophobic footage was made before the coup , the details of the Northern house of Assembly meeting to curb what they termed "Igbo dominance", was made before the coup.

You will be a mischievous character, to chalk up the Igbophobic stench emanating from Arewa-Oduanistan to the fall out of the Nzeogwu coup.

I was referring to the 1957 squabble in Kano state.
What happened in 1966 was clearly a massacre, so don't twist my words.

blues2022:
Politically, you may be correct, but what about the civilians that were massacred. where they also part of the coup? Are they part of the government? After the counter coup that saw many Igbo officers dead, why not halt the killing? Why extend it to innocent civilians? Please, whats your take on it. Wokem?

The illiterates who went on killing rampage (their judgement is waiting for them, the ones that are not already dead) were sold the idea that we killed their leaders and want to dominate them etc. that was bad and I will never justify badness.
the massacre of the civilians were wrong on many levels (my grand father lost cousins aplenty) but there was a motivation (that is my point) the motivation was not enough justification for what happened, but we cannot just wish it away.


I asked the other guy if he knows the consequences of Nnamdi Kanu dying in jail and he was just beating about the Bush.

Nnamdi Many dying in jail will lead to the death of many innocent Hausa people in the east, you and I know that.

Are the Hausa people who will be butchered not innocent too?
Did they send DSS or Buhari to Kill him? what is their concern with Nnamdi Kanu's matter Yet in the heat of the moment, nobody will remember all that, and those guys will be dead meat.

why do the Hausa peeps in Anambra flee to the barracks after election? or whenthe atmosphere is hot there?

And this is Nnamdi Kanu that is one riff raff somewhere o.
Now Imagine an Igbo president killed and the Igbo governors killed too, what do you think will happen?

pazienza:
Was Ironsi and countless Igbo military officers not killed too?
Was an Igbo not killed during Nzeogwu coup?
Were their not non Igbos that were Integral part of the coup?
Was the 1966 massacre of Ndiigbo the first first time such Igbo massacre occurred in the North?

If Nnamdi be killed today. Then he would have been killed by an elected Northern president who has northern support and mandate. His murder would have been an institutionized one, that occurred under Arewa-Oduanistan rulership with active online and offline support of Arewa-Oduanistans.
Was this the same scenario surrounding the Nzeogwu coup?

Before 1966, list another massacre of such magnitude that happened?

The one that happened in Kano in 1957/8 was not a massacre, it was a fight gone bad that left casualty on both sides in Sabongari, so before you lie, use another example

And concerning your last paragraph, you are the level of your thinking?

Was Ironsi killed? Yes
was an Igbo killed in the coup Okotie Eboh was not Igbo, so I'll say no.
were there other tribes involved? To a lesser degree yes.

Let's now go to the results of the coup....
Igbos were the highest beneficiary of that coup.
They now had the army, civil service and the presidency in their pocket.
in a multiethinic country, that is not a good sign.

It is because of this indeed that many Hausa people and Yoruba people who lived then consider us as domineering people.

Let us look at this without sentiment please.

pazienza:
Seriously? You are testing my patience here.
Are you saying that it was Igbo people that carried out the Nzeogwu coup? Was Nzeogwu an elected Igbo politician?
Are you by anyway justifying the massacre of Ndiigbo all over the North post counter coup?

Oga I am not justifying anything....
I lost family aplenty because of what happened....
Of course it was not all Igbo that killed Tafa and Ahmadu, but it was cause and effect, and you cannot deny that.

Whether it was right or wrong (of course it was wrong) is another thing, but what happened will not have happened if their leaders were not killed in such manner, and if you deny this, you are not a sincere person.

Besides, you have not answered the question I raised about nnamdi kanu.
his blind followers will shed blood if Nnamdi Kanu does in detention, (I have heard many of his followers threaten that) So what are you saying?

Alariwo2:
This is just the sad truth most of them fail to see

Their lands are so bad that it can hardly grow crops well, poor roads amongst other calamities

igbos should just look for somewhere to sit their asses abeg.. dem no get mouth atal

So the oil palm that grows in abundance in the SE grows in the sky right?

Dumbass

Ecosystem4u:
I keep wandering why Yoruba ppl 're always afraid of Igbos!!!!!!........I work with Yorubas n its always touching to hear them complain of Igbo dominance in Lagos.

Lol...
In school it was the same thing.
You can achieve anything if you put in the work, that is what I tell everyone I meet.
The world don't like the jews, not even the Caucasians, but hey, they put in the work, and that is what got them to where they are today.

pazienza:
People like you were the ones that died more during the counter coup and war proper.
My grandfather was the Eze ndi Igbo in Bauchi before the war, well loved by the Northerners there, yet he was a very perceptive mind, he knew what laid behind those friendly laughter and camaraderie from the Northerners, before the counter coup even broke out, he already had left the North with his entire family and was safe at home.

Where as non discerning Igbos like you stayed behind, deceived by friendly vibes they were getting from Northerners, they were all slaughtered by their Northern friends.
Few of them that were lucky enough to make it to Benue from far North were ambushed and massacred by Tivs, Idomas, and their Hausa friends in Markurdi and it's surroundings.

Same happened in Benin and in Yorubaland.

Those stupid Igbos died, and nothing happened, their families replaced them, and the Igbo race continued to exist.

When the chips are down, it's the hateful ones, the bad eggs, the bitter ones that will lead the mob. The apparent good ones you are counting on will go missing or even join them after little persuasion .

So by inference, you have indirectky referred to me as a Stupid Igbo.. smh
you see the problem with people like you?

Okay, assuming the 1966 coup did not happen that led to the death of Tafa Balewa and Ahmadu Bello did not happen, will our people have been killed like that?

you guys reason zigzag, sorry to say.
Okay, let me give you an example that will be easily understood by you.
Nnamdi Kanu is in prison as we speak, if for any reason Nnamdi Kanu dies there, with tge allegation that he was poisoned by the government, you think there will be no revolt and bloodshed from his followers (Aboki men in Onitsha will be endangered specie)

As dumb as Buhari is, he will not try such a thing because he knows the consequence of that will blow this country.

pazienza:
You are living in denial.

There can be no unity with people who hate the very things that make you who you are.

The things that make the Igbo who we are, the ambitious spirit, the entrepreneur spirit that is always searching for opportunities to make money out of nothing, the aggressive drive for success at all cost, in any endeavour he puts his mind to, the independent rebellious spirit that bows to no traditional or political figure head, the colonial spirit that will always seek out to dominate any place he finds himself through sheer hardwork and communal joint effort that makes him to invite kinsmen to help him establish control in a new area, driven by the core values of "Onye aghana nwanne ya".

These are things that drive the non Igbo Nigerians mad,
They can never be comfortable with it and Ndiigbo are never going to stop those traits, cos those are our cultural imprints, they are things that make us who we are. We have an impasse with OduaArewanistans and their allies.

Hmmm....

Have you lived among Yoruba people in Lagos, or Hausa people to know that they ALL hate us.

I have done so, and to tell you the truth, many of my Yoruba peeps tell me that indeed, they admire the hustle spirit of the Igbo man.
The bad eggs are the ones causing trouble upandan, the unemployed touts, agbero etc. those ones are miserable and of course, miserable people don't like when people are successful.

And as someone rightly said, the hatred is two ways, there are some Igbo people who don't like Yoruba people or Hausa people at all, calling them all sorts of derogatory names and stuff.

I got some clips from Nnamdi Kanu, and his choice of words, smh...

well, every one with his opinion, and life goes on.

blues2022:
That is a concrete example... he is not even ashamed to admit it right here. Imagine the countless numbers of them Nigerians that parade along with that notion. It tells you something is not right. I have never been an advocate of Biafra, but with what I'm seeing, I'm subscribing to the movement. Biafra will cure a lot of ills. #truth

well, I don't subscribe to Biafra tho, not now, not ever...
But many people misunderstand Igbo peeps, and that is where the dislike, or hatred comes from.

ademasta:
Yes sir. Na just seat partition and preferential demarcation.

Safe flight...
Same arrival time...


First class is just like being on the high table in a ceremony.... They will always be receiving first class treatment.

Economy class is for common man.

Exactly...

Why do I smell sarcasm in that guy's post sef?

[quote author=basadenet post=51412080][/quote]Hope you know that it is not all Igbo people that are like this, And that these traits can be found in good measure in other tribes right
I know what I suffered in the hands of Yoruba peeps in my life, but that does not make me tag all of them wicked tribalist.....

judge people based on their character not tgeue tribe or origin, that is what black man has failed to get.

Ojisik:
It's not really an official survey that will need a model and statistical analysis of answers. It's an open ended question for Nigerians to express their views on the above subject matter.

I don't really want to tread the 'like & share' road because I want us to write how we feel.

tell us your honest answer to the original post my

This question does not really apply to me because.......

I don pack out already

But it's on a shift basis tho....
More like shuttling. lol
But as the years go by, I spend even less time in Nigeria.

mcemmy0z:
Nigeria and copy cat

Assuming this is true. what should now happen

It was worth it Abroad , but in Nigeria, because of our greedy nature, it was not really worth it.

blues2022:
The root problem is simply because you are Igbo and tagged overly ambitious.... somebody said it right here on this thread. But is it a pain if someone decides to shoot for the best? They hate us simply because we strive to be best, irrespective of the terrain we find our-selves. whether its friendly or not. But this is what defines the Igbo man; hard work. Shear hard work. You can't take it away from us.
For example, I've been in the office since on Friday working without touching home. If I become successful today, one idiot will start hating, without considering the fact that countless working hours have been sacrificed. I don't just get it. Its pathetic.

Yes you may be right...

It's the same thing the Ivorian peeps tell me here "Toi, tu travaille toujours toujours"

But the Ivorians are not xenophobic like some people (I no call name o, so if you mention me, that is admission of guilt)

I saw the Ahmadu Bello video on his opinion of Igbo peeps and I just shook my head.
I don't blame him tho, it's cultural differences and misunderstanding that caused it then..

But what can we do na, hustle is embedded in our DNA nwanne m nwoke.

Ojisik:
My dear Nigerians,

We all know the present state of the nation, there is no need for me to start a treatise on this. My question to you is very simple: If the opportunity to legally leave Nigeria and legally be accepted into another country presents itself on the condition that you'll start from scratch all over again , will you take it? .

If yes, what country will you choose and why that country.

I'm positive that people of influence read or get to know about Nairaland topics , let us be honest in our answers, maybe....just maybe they will see how tired the youth are

So how do you intend conducting this survey?

Okay I'll help you,

Like the post if you will leave at the slightest opportunity..
Share if you would rather remain In Nigeria....

So for those who hate Igbo people here, can you just give two sensible reasons why

Or the hatred is based on what your father/mother or whomever told you about Igbos

@MeAboki

blues2022:
Brother, if you think other tribe don't hate Igbos, you are living in self-denial. Go through history, government policies and the response of the average man on the street towards the Igbos and you'll confirm what I'm saying. This is real. I was once denied an appointment because my name is Emeka, and I happende to come from the East.. a private firm for that matter, this was in Warri Delta. So what are you saying.
The Igbos who keep denying this facts are living in fool paradise.

Well I have experienced some discrimination myself because I'm Igbo (mine was house rent back then) and sometimes I try to think on what is the root of all these "dislike" for my people....
But you have to know too that it's not "everybody" that hate Igbo peeps tho...
I got Yoruba family and we are cool.
.