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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(op): 2:38pm On Oct 19, 2013

Had any one in the bible baptised prior to their believing the gospel and message of salvation by the early apostles?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(op): 2:26pm On Oct 19, 2013

italo: Is that all you can count?

i had to pause there first.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(op): 2:23pm On Oct 19, 2013

I believe that when the scales has fallen from italo and his friend's eyes, they would be at the forefront of the crusade against catholic erroneous and fallacious doctrines.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(op): 2:13pm On Oct 19, 2013

italo: But the Bible supported using church money to buy private jets?

is dat the answer to the questions b4 u?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(op): 1:54pm On Oct 19, 2013

woky: is that all

no. What about burning of incense, using of black, white and yellow candle, worshipping dead bodies, worshipping the pope as supreme abeg, i cant count them all, they are too many to enumerate.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(op): 1:40pm On Oct 19, 2013

Matthew 13:15.
For this people's heart is waxed gross and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and i should heal them.

May God hv mercy on them.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(op): 1:27pm On Oct 19, 2013

chukwudi44: He asked you a question and instead of replying him you are asking him to give you a yes/no answer.Do you mean he should answer his own questions

because he did not answer my question which demand yes or no answer rather he was dancing round a circle.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(op): 1:16pm On Oct 19, 2013

[quote author=m.k.o2005]When ever we study the bible(same scripture) either separately or together and and pick up different understanding,it could either be that one studied leaving out the spirit or we both studied carnally but just be rest assured that some one is wrong for us to understand it differently ! The bible says same thing to all who study spiritually ! Even if there is a new revelation therein,it MUST not contradict other part of the scriptures !
Now concerning the scriptures you quoted up there,before i start another futile effort to convince(NOT YOU I GUESS)those who will stumble on this and will be open hearted to study spiritually,let us consider the scriptures you quoted above:
Acts 16:13-15''One of them was Lydia from Thyatira, a merchant of expensive purple cloth, who worshiped God. As she listened to us, the Lord opened her heart, and she accepted what Paul was saying. She was baptized along with other members of her household, and she asked us to be her guests. “If you agree that I am a true believer in the Lord,” she said, “come and stay at my home.” And she urged us until we agreed.''
From the scripture above,we can see that this woman was already worshiping God prior her encounter with Paul. Can you also see that the Lord opened her heart first[/b]to accept the teachings before she was baptized ? Can you see that the bible never mentioned infants as part of her house hold even as it's of a truth that infant can also be part of a house hold. Now to tell you that it was all matured teachable and 'learnable' are the ones that were baptized,see above the criterion(acceptance of the teachings first)for baptizing Lydia ! Had it been that infants were allowed to baptized even before the meeting of Lydia,she would have been baptized long ago as an infant before meeting Paul since the bible recorded in this same account that Lydia was a worshipper before encountering Paul !
Have we also noted that in this very Lydia case that her heart was opened in response to hearing the gospel and [b]she believed and those who heard with her in her house believed. There are no children mentioned. In fact, there’s no husband mentioned, and if there’s no husband mentioned, very possible she didn’t have any children.
Acts 16:33 ! Lets take it back a little;Acts 16:29-33
''The jailer called for lights and ran to the dungeon and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas.Then he brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, along with everyone in your household.” And they shared the word of the Lord with him and with all who lived in his household. Even at that hour of the night, the jailer cared for them and washed their wounds. Then he and everyone in his household were immediately baptized.''
From the above,again we can see why everyone in his house hold were baptized. They were all[/b]instructed to believe in the word and be saved. No man believed for the other but they all believed for themselves !The writer said believe in the lord Jesus along with everyone in ur house hold and you will be saved ! It concluded that and they shared the word with him and ALL IN HIS HOUSE HOLD ! It's synanimus with the teachings of our beloved Peter in Acts 2:38''“[b]Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.'' Peter isn't referring to babies or infants hear but to those who can actually repent becos they have sinned ! Not infants !
1 Corinthians 1:16
In the Stephanas household of 1 Corinthians, all who were baptized, it says, 1 Corinthians 1, all who were baptized were devoted to the ministry of the saints. Compare that in 1 Corinthians 15. They were all helping in the spiritual work of the church as we have in 1 Corinthians 1:16. They were devoted to the ministry of the saints. They were helping in the spiritual work of the church. Therefore they weren’t infants. No infant was mentioned there.Just like the other cases discussed above !

The explanations above should just be okay for those who want to learn,but if you are in for an argument,nothing i put up here will make you believe except God draws you ! For this is another ending case like the Mary Worship !

God help us all[/quote]u are d one wasting time to explain to him cos he will never accept what u say from now till tommorow. He has alreay close his mind to the truth. But dat is nice.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(op): 11:37am On Oct 19, 2013

italo: Have we finished with the issue of intercession?

Have you decided whether it is a sin to ask someone to pray for us or not?

Have you found out what is the pillar and foundation of the truth?

Have you decided when the Bible was compiled, by who and under what authority?

Have you educated yourself about the many books that were excluded from the Bible, by who...and why?

Have you told us if "denominations" is biblical?

These are questions that I have asked you which you dont want to answer truthfully...because the truthful answer will embarass you.

Instead, you prefer to divert the issue and throw all manner of accusations without thrashing anyone thoroughly.

You want to be declared winner? I declare you winner!

You want truth.....?

remember i said ur answer should be yes or no and u are telling me cock and bull story. I throw it to u again, yes or no?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(op): 11:23am On Oct 19, 2013

italo: Have we finished with the issue of intercession?

Have you decided whether it is a sin to ask someone to pray for us or not?

Have you found out what is the pillar and foundation of the truth?

Have you decided when the Bible was compiled, by who and under what authority?

Have you educated yourself about the many books that were excluded from the Bible, by who...and why?

Have you told us if "denominations" is biblical?

These are questions that I have asked you which you dont want to answer truthfully...because the truthful answer will embarass you.

Instead, you prefer to divert the issue and throw all manner of accusations without thrashing anyone thoroughly.

You want to be declared winner? I declare you winner!

You want truth.....?

tell me also the reason u are cleverly avoiding questions posed to u by enigma and not reading the numerous links he gave u? Anyway, is like u dnt hv answers to my questions. No problem.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(op): 11:16am On Oct 19, 2013

calculusx: It is possible for 3 people to read the same book,same text,same passage,word for word but have different meanings. We all cant reason the same way. I hope this answer your question

(Acts 16:15) Lydia was converted by Paul's preaching and baptized with her household

(Acts 16:33) The Philiphian Jailer was baptized along with his household

(1 Cor. 1:16) Stephanas household was baptized

{Matthew 28:19} "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit'' Are children exempted from disciples of all nations?

{Matthew 25:31-32} Also made mention of the same Phrase ''Baptize the whole nations''

So many more passages talks about the whole household been baptized. My question to you is what makes a household,is it just the the father and mother? Your response will be your answer. Good Morning

did it also tells you the ages of those in the household. Did it mention that infants are in the household? Yes or no?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(op): 11:09am On Oct 19, 2013

[quote author=m.k.o2005]No matter what you tell an atheist concerning God,heaven and hell,he will still laugh and laugh at you untill he falls off his seat ! God delivered us from Catholicism and will still deliver many more today,tomorow and in future ! So continue with ur Mary worship for it is God who will eventually draw you to Jesus the author and finisher of our faith !

God help us[/quote]that is just it. Nothin more nothing less.

Education › Re: ASUU Strike Has Increased Prostitution, Group Alleges by Ukutsgp(m): 10:41am On Oct 19, 2013

If men dnt patronise prostitute wud they hv a job?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Pls I Need A True Bornagain Christian To Tell Me What Lev:19:19b Means by Ukutsgp(m): 9:37am On Oct 19, 2013

bizmahn: Can you honestly categorize those two Scriptures you quoted as among the moral laws still in force today.Can putting on garment made of two materials defile your heart or offend your neighbour or be a moral stumbling block to people or make people to sin.Does it grieve God or the spirit?Does it cause Gods spirit to depart from you.Does it lower grace in your life or reduce your prayer life & spiritual stamina?Ask yourself such questions.

and also, hw can putting on trouser by a lady affect her spiritual life?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(op): 9:14am On Oct 19, 2013

@italo and co. What do u hv to say about infant baptism and baptism by sprinkling dat u people practice. Is it biblical or not? If it is, can u show me bible references to that effect? And if it is not, why do u people do it?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Ladies Uncovering Their Heads In Church Nowadays by Ukutsgp(op): 8:26am On Oct 19, 2013

Tobius tobius: Yes, Pastor Holier-than-thou.

must you comment on a thread at all. If u dnt know what to comment dnt just comment. Anyway, i see that u dnt know laws that govern the spirit realm.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(op): 5:44pm On Oct 18, 2013

italo: Your pastor is more dead than Mary. He is still struggling with sin daily.

Mary has moved on to life with God in heaven.

"He who lives and believes in me will never die."--Jesus Christ.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(op): 5:39pm On Oct 18, 2013

italo: Your pastor is more dead than Mary. He is still struggling with sin daily.

Mary has moved on to life with God in heaven.

"He who lives and believes in me will never die."--Jesus Christ.

if those who are dead are already in heaven with God, tell me what's the resurrection of the dead for? Did the verse u quoted tells u that they wud not die physically? Pls read and understand scripture b4 quoting. Ok.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(op): 3:13pm On Oct 18, 2013

Enigma: The Roman Catholic church denomination speaking with two mouths: https://www.nairaland.com/1254965/eastern-orthodox-church-orthodox-catholic#15210206

In the Introduction to Ut Unum Sint, we read;

What is the point of speaking of one Church, when you say there are other "Churches" (capital) and you say yet others are not even Churches at all but merely "ecclessial communities"?

Pointless!

dont u think that those link u provided is a waste of time, as they wud nt even bother to look at it Cos they dnt want to learn and acquire knowledge?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(op): 2:17pm On Oct 18, 2013

[quote author=m.k.o2005]The church of Christ that knows no denomination ! All godly denominations are the church of Christ ! God will pick from all of the churches scattered abroad ! No one will be picked based on his denomination ! The church of Christ was founded By Christ himself and he asked peter then to teach the rest after he has been fully fed ! I laugh sometimes wen i hear people saying peter is the first pope of the rcc and i laugh at much ignorance ! Peter the first pope yet he was married ! Peter the first pope yet he never prayed the rosary one day ! Peter the first pope yet he never baptized any infant ! Peter the first pope yet he never prayed to God through Mary at any time ! Peter the first pope yet he never stopped any one who took bread(body of Christ) from taking the wine(blood of Jesus)! Peter the first pope yet he never said some believing Christians are saint and the rest believers are not. peter the first pope yet he never said some christians are priest and the rest are not ! Peter the first pope yet he never stopped any bishop from getting married ! Peter the first pope yet he never worshiped or bowed down to any image whatsoever ! Peter the first pope yet he never sprinkled any believer and call it baptism ! May be after the death of the 'first pope of the rcc' things drastically changed !
God will continue to help us untill we all leave the roman catholic institution !

God help us[/quote]you see how he is displaying his ignorance on this forum. He simply knows nothing about the bible he and his colleague claimed that they compiled. Pity!

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(op): 2:05pm On Oct 18, 2013

italo: But you said it is ignorance to ask anyone to pray for you.

You said Jesus wants us to come directly.

You said it was a sin.

Why are you continuing in this "sin" and "ignorance?"

i can tell my pastor to pray for me being the servant of God. My pastor will then pray in the name of jesus for me. Now tell me when you say mary should pray for you, is she hearing ur plea? Is she alive? Can a dead person hear you? Or u want to tell me that mary did not die?
By the ways, cant i pray to God on my own? If i want to pray must i call on my pastor who is not there or my dead grandfather to pray for me when he cannot hear me at that time? As u people do always. You need to understand this things.
Pls answer me?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Ladies Uncovering Their Heads In Church Nowadays by Ukutsgp(op): 1:41pm On Oct 18, 2013

rickymartin: I think you meant "leave their hair uncovered". if I see a lady with an open head, in church or anywhere, I would run!

read ur bible it is head cos the hair is part of the head. I mean ladies not putting a covering on their head during worship. Something like veil or scarf.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(op): 1:23pm On Oct 18, 2013

italo: Good. Mary and I believe that you can only go to the Father through Jesus. That is why I say Mother Mary, please let me go with you to JESUS so that I can get to the Father through him.

Mary doesnt take us away from Jesus. She takes us to him.

Ignorance at its peak. Where did jesus say that mary can accompany u to him? Then three of you will then go and meet God. Can you provide scriptural reference to this ur watery claims. Pls dnt make me laugh my ribs out.ok

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(op): 1:09pm On Oct 18, 2013

italo: Jesus Christ wants me to come to him directly abi?

So It means going to him with "Mr Y" is a sin abi.

Okay I want to commit sin right now.

Mufikings, please pray for me.

That is a sin abi?

My friend, you need to look in the mirror before you use the word "ignorance."

so if i am making intercessary prayer for you. What name will i use. My pastor's name or the name of Jesus? Answer me.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(op): 12:59pm On Oct 18, 2013

italo: LOL!!!

So if you are not really sure who or when, how are you sure the compilers didnt include books that were not inspired and exclude inspired books?

I once again put it to you that the Bible was compiled by the Catholic Church in the 4th century. If the Catholic Church wasnt inspired by the Holy Spirit to do this, the Bible cannot be trusted. If you disagree please answer the above question.

now tell me. Are they doing according to the bible that they claim that they compiled? If only that is true.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(op): 12:49pm On Oct 18, 2013

mufikings: (John 14:6) -Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.

The Lord made it clear that you can never ever !!!get to the FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH HIM....WHY IN God's NAME SHOULD I PRAY THROUGH MARY WHEN THE LORD HIMSELF SAID I SHOULD COME TO HIM.....just don't get you Catholics some times.

dont mind him. U dont have to waist ur time with him. He will never learn

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Ladies Uncovering Their Heads In Church Nowadays by Ukutsgp(op): 12:25pm On Oct 18, 2013

Tobius tobius: How does it concern you? Go to church and listen to the Word, not peer about looking at uncovered female heads. Does the covering (or lack thereof) make them more/less faithful or spiritual? Making nountains out of molehills. Misogyny according to Apostle Paul.

you see that your comment doesnt make sense but is a piece of trash?

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Politics › Re: ASUU Rejects N600 Billion Offer by Ukutsgp(m): 12:13pm On Oct 18, 2013

Dont go and learn something be waisting ur life sitting and waiting 4 ASUU. I sori o.

Christianity Etc › Why Are Ladies Uncovering Their Heads In Church Nowadays by Ukutsgp(op): 9:48am On Oct 18, 2013

Why are ladies opening their head in church? Is it to display their new hairstyles or what? Is it proper?

Now, some questions we would be confronted with is as follows:

1. When ladies open their head in church, does it not contradicts paul's teaching in 1corinthians 11:1-16.

2. Are they not usurping men's authority for not putting a covering on their head?

3. Does women in bible days go to church without covering their head with a veil or a scarfs? Or they open it.

4. Is the symbol of authority that paul talks about in 1corinthians 11:10 the woman's long hair or what?

5. If the woman's long hair is her glory does she suppose to display that glory in God's presence? Or cover it up and submit to his glory? Isaiah 42:8.

6. When a lady display her long hair in church is she not competing with God's glory? And that she lacked submission to God's authority and the headship of the man?

7. Is it really true that women's long hair is given to them for a covering?

8. Are ladies suppose to prophesy, pray etc without covering their head or hair?

I want you to drop your comment and provide answers to these questions.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Churches Have Different Doctrines And Denominations? by Ukutsgp(op): 8:21am On Oct 18, 2013

italo: When you opened this thread, you were begging for people to show you the way out of the confusion in Christendom.

We Catholics have offered you the practical solution.

You disagree, yet you have no other solution at hand.

You will continue in your confusion in your 1billion "churches"; we will continue in our certainty in the one true Church.

i just say that to express my amazement. That does not mean that u know the bible more than me. U cant twist scripture to deceive me. I know the history of the bible but u would be adamant to accept d truth. I dnt waist my time for nothing. Ok.

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