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ayoku777: This is why i don't reply most posts. This is what scripture calls 'gainsaying'. When it suits you, you say a passage or word in scripture is literal, when it doesn't suit you, you call it a 'hyperbole' or 'figurative' expression

So paul was talking about REAL bread and REAL wine, but he meant 'hungry' and 'drunken' figuratively

So the disciples were 'figuratively' drunk during communion?

When christians begin to interprete scriptures this way, its called gainsaying.

Was it not the same fruit of the vine that Jesus drank that Noah also drank and got drunk?

Gen 9v20-21 ...and Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a VINEYARD. And he drank of the wine and was DRUNKEN.

Or drunken here is also figurative? Or his own was not new like that of Jesus? Vine wine is alcoholic old or new. And it will get you drunk if you take it without discretion.

Stop gainsaying - saying passages are figurative or literal as it suits your view. Thats trying to make scriptures say what you want it to say.

You so badly want to say the wine Jesus and the disciples drank is not alcoholic, and you're willing to gainsay to do that. But vine wine is alcoholic, whether its old or new. Thats why on the day of pentecost, when they were mocking the believers, they said in acts 2v13 ...others mocking said, These men are full of NEW wine.

u said it all. Allow those hypocrite to be fooling themselves. Moderation is the key thing here. As 4 me i dnt drink alcohol because it does not augur well with me. bt dos wu can drink and nt be drunk hv no problem. But a wise christian will nt want to even taste it let alone drinking it like me because it can lead to drunkenness. Like they say 'prevention is better than cure'.

lynpetra: A 35 yr old married a 16 yr old....which means he married her when she is like 13When I was 13 I was still packing sand inside my bombom.
Rip to the dead man,killed by his toddler wife.

ur bombom. Dnt make me laugh abeg.

[quote author=Demain_man]Why all the tithe recycling? All of those questions have already been answered by the same guys you call out and more. It is obvious that you are a pro-tither hence you want to start the argument all over again! SMH

Those guys have given us 1 Million and one reasons why tithing is not for Christians. If you want to continue.. Na your money! the choice is yours.

Next thread please![/quote]do u think i have time to read those arguments in d other threads? This is my own thread where i want answer to questions without any interferance of those for tithing. This is where i can get clear and lucid answers to my questions on tithe so let it be ok. I ve to see their own side of the debate first and write down some information. Dat is what pastor kun has just done though he just rushed it without breaking down the scripture verse by verse. Anyway i hv picked something from what he wrote up there. The others can add to what he has said.

Goshen360: ^ Any of us can attend to your questions when ready.

i wud be glad to know the totality of this tithe thing that is preached every sunday in church. I need to be convinced first b4 i join ur crusade . I nid answers to those basic questions.

Definitely it is nt proper 4 church to build hotels. Dat is nt d mission of d church.

Seems Anti-tithers are nt in d house again o

It is a sin cos it can lead to sex. Imagine a boy touching ur breast, kissing ur lips and caressing ur ......, what do u think wil happen. Abeg reason.

Andyblaze: na when i take aba made weed, i dey misbehave

serious thing

Jesus never instruct his disciple to pray that way. He did nt teach them to pray holyghost fire consume my enemies kind of pray.

Some questions @chukwudi. Did God say that we should bow b4 graven images or not?
Did God at anytime instruct d israelite to to pull down graven images or not.
How can u explain ' thou shall not make' in that book of exodus u quoted.?

Did d israelite bow b4 the cherubim in the temple or not?

chukwudi44: Bros you can do better than this naa.quoting ancient roman emperors SMH.I can also quote your protestant father martin luther who wrote the worst anti-semitic piece of literature in human history.Martin Luther in his book "on the jews and their lies" advocated genocide against the jews .His work later served as motivation for adolf hitler during the nazi atrocities

we dnt follow Marthin luther or what have u. We follow Jesus the author and finisher of our faith. (HEBREW 12:2).

chukwudi44: Olodo where in the scriptures were christians asked not to defend themselves? So in the boko haram example I gave you above what line of action would you have taken as a xtian security agent deployed to protect the lives of people? Will you open up dialogue with them? Is it feasible in that situation? You really think terrosrists ready for to kill for their 72 virgins will listen to you?

u see d reason why i say ur church is a pagan cult

@chukwudi. I have seen ur lack of understanding displayed in ur post since. I ve some question for u in reply 2 ur post but i am busy now. When i am free i will do dat? Meanwhile is like u need enligtenment because of ur display of ignorance in ur post. U absolutely did nt understand the bible. It is a shame. See u later.

Jesus definitely did nt pray that way

RationalDude: Have you been to all churches in the world before making such a bogus claim? Well, in my church, ladies don't open their head because it's impossible to do that without surgery.

ok opening their hair. Are u ok now

Issue of tithe everyday na wao!

I think this is a new trend cos in those days when u see a lady goin to church with her hair covered decently and well dressed u see the glory of God around her but now things have changed.

fubara H: just go to church if you don't have better things to discuss

so it is not better thing abi. Anyway, U lacked understanding of it sha.

Why are some churches(christians) praying holyghost fire on their enemies? Is it right? Did Jesus ask us to do so? Did Jesus pray like that? Your view on this pls.

What about cece winas, yolanda Adams, is it dat much people dnt like their music?

But i cant do without my favorite like Michael smith, youthful praise, don moen, darwin hobbs what about Marvin sapp, Eben, the wonderful Sinach, let me not forget kirk franklin(order my steps) and my Oga T.D JAKES and more.

From the scripture, it is not right 4 ladies to open their head in church. They ought to cover their hair with a scarf or head tie

chukwudi44: Why do you want to force me to use the King James version?

use ur version and explain it to us.

chukwudi44: Bros I am typing with my 4one and do not have time to tyoe all this biblical chapters or verses.You can go ahead and paste them let us discuss

sought them out urself. Or is it a way to avoid it?

chukwudi44: Yes of course we made tose images just like Moses,josua,solomon ,david and so many other biblical figures made and used images.We prayed in front of those images just like the people of God prayed in front of the cherubims and yes it is not worship.Even God was pleased with them as he is with us.To your last question idols are images that are worshiped.images that are not worshipped like the cherubims,bronze serpent ,catholic images are not idols

show me the verse pls.

Deuteronomy 4:23.
Take heed to yourselves, lest you forget the covenant of the lord your God which he made with you, and make you a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, which the lord has forbidden you.

adsonstone: I trust Italo. I'm sure He'll say the same thing he has been saying over and over which is 'The Catholic Church compiled the Bible'.

dnt mind him. He did nt even know the bible himself and his crew claimed they compiled, that was why he has been talking history that he knows nothing about since. It is only the ignorant he can deceive. I have nt even started with him. I am just doing an introduction and he has failed woefully. Pity.

italo: So Joshua worshipped the images in Joshua 7 when he prostrated before them abi?

show me d verse or is it d full chapter?

Read these scripture and explain it to me one after the other.
Leviticus 19:4.
Leviticus 26:1.
Leviticus 26:30.
2kings 23:24.
2kings 17:9-20.
Revelation 21:8.
1corinthians 12:2.
Psalm 115:4-9.
Isaiah 2:8.
Isaiah 45:16.
Exodus 20:1-6.
Deuteronomy 4:14-19.
Ezekiel 14:6.
Acts 19:21-28, 33-41.
Deuteronomy 5:6-10.
Micah 5:12-13.
Habakuk 2:18-20.
Judges 2:11-15.
Exodus 32:1-26.
Matthew 4:10.
1 John 5:21.
Psalm 78:58.
Romans 1:22-25.
Leviticus 18:21.
Jeremiah 7:8.

Explan those passages and verses of the scripture and let me see ur lack of bible knowledge displayed in the forum b4 i bring more.

U hv been talking history dat u know nothing about since, now let us face the word of God now. Or u want to say the bible is not d written word of God again?

Now u can begin.@italo and his crew.

chukwudi44: Olodo God never said do not use images,he said do not make idols(images that are worshipped).that's why God directed,Moses,joshua,solomon and others to make images.God's temple in Jerusalem even had images of cherubims on them yet God was pleased to dwell in their midst

ignorance is ur problem. How can u use image without first making or fashioning it. Who told u dat God commanded us to make image or use them for worship as u people do with mary's image erected in your church. Hv u nt seen ur members praying and bowing down to that dumb thing? So, that is nt worship abi. U must be a joker i think. What is image and what is idol? Tell me.

chukwudi44: Exodus 20:4⁠ "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5⁠ You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

Where does that contradict the catholic teaching? Do catholics make idols? Go and google the definition of idols(images that are worshiped) God did not say do not make images that was why he directed Joshua,Moses,Solomon etc to make images.Are you saying God directed this men to commiy sin?

so the dumb image of mary erected in ur church is erected by who? Can u explain the scripture u just quoted? GOD did say we can make images and d scripture u quoted says otherwise. Who is deceiving who now. So God is contradicting himself abi?
Anyway, i want to see the scripture where God says that we can make images right nw.

2kings 18:4.
He removed the high places and broke the images, and cut down the groves, and broke in pieces the brazen serpent that moses had made, for to those days the children of israel did burn incense to it, and he called it Nebushtan.

Jeremiah 7:8.
The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

Catholic are simply practicing idolatory and they call it church. It is their goddess they are worshipping. Dnt be deceived.

Matthew 15:8-9.
This people draw near to me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
9. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.