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DeathStroke007:
What is this one saying... What you saying is not part of islam.. In fact mi o gbo ri..



Be like say this na una new lie about Islam...

just show me from hadith or koran where it is allowed to abrogate the words of allahh and under what condition is such done? then we will know if the status of hasan is a standard and have met the above requirements for abrogation of the op hadith as either weak or unauthentic. please share so that our muslim apologist will help you

lexiconkabir:
unphilaz, stop trolling! Every Muslim knows that the Hadith is not 100% perfect, because it was narrated by people claiming they heard this from the prophet, they heard that from the prophet, so one of the ways to detect if the narration is authentic is to check the Quran if it coincides with it, if it does, then it is graded sahih(authentic). Muhammad pbuh cant contradict his Lord, but because the hadith were compiled years after the prophet's death, then they are bound to be lies ascribed to him, and one the ways to detect these lies is to check the Quran, last time i checked, the only book under the guidance of Allah, is the Quran, so the Quran is used to check the authenticity of other books.

facheux:
True =Diarrhea of the mouth; constipation of the ideas

facheux:
SHOW WHERE I SPOKE GLOWINGLY OF THIS PARTICULAR HADITH


I respect how honest you appear while lying!

ok let me do you a small favor.... all the life and times of the prophet are not captured in the koran but the hadith - including the weak and unauthentic - which we know that allahh the all knowing and knows the best, would have guided the writers of the hadith.

So you agree?

facheux:
Show me where I spoke glowingly of THIS particular hadith.


I’m not upset that you lied to me. I’m upset from now on I can’t believe you

ok let me do you a small favor.... all the life and times of the prophet are not captured in the koran but the hadith - including the weak and unauthentic - which we know that allahh the all knowing and knows the best, would have guided the writers of the hadith.

So you agree?

unphilaz:
facheux just show me from hadith or koran where it is allowed to abrogate the words of allahh and under what condition is such done? then we will know if the status of hasan is a standard and have met the above requirements for abrogation of the op hadith as either weak or unauthentic. please share so that our muslim apologist will help you

facheux:
Ya ' all clowns. I exposing you all as liars. I've shown you to be a liar. Anal Alice I exposed as a liar. olaadegbu I exposed as a garbage mouth.

facheux:
Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics.

facheux:
YOU ARE A LIAR. SHOW ME WHERE I SPOKE GLOWINGLY THIS PARTICULAR HADITH

facheux:
Grade : Da'if (Al-Albani)
Reference : Sunan Abi Dawud 2131
In-book reference : Book 12, Hadith 86
English translation : Book 11, Hadith 2126
The hadeeth is unauthentic

facheux:
The hadith is weak. : Vous ne comprenez pas?

yazach:
If with all those explanations, you still say this then:
Receive brain
Receive brain
Receive brain

facheux:
Hadith is verified weak. Take your loss and move on.

MUHAMMAD (peace and blessings be upon him).

He was by far the most remarkable man that ever set foot on this earth. He preached a religion, founded a state, built a nation, laid down a moral code, initiated numerous social and political reforms, established a powerful and dynamic society to practice and represent his teachings and completely revolutionized the worlds of human thought and behavior for all times to come.

He was born in Arabia in the year 570 C.E. (Common Era), started his mission of preaching the religion of Truth, Islam (submission to One God at the age of forty and departed from this world at the age of sixty-three.

During this short period of 23 years of his prophethood, he changed the complete Arabian Peninsula from paganism and idolatry to worship of One God, from tribal quarrels and wars to national solidarity and cohesion, from drunkenness and debauchery to sobriety and piety, from lawlessness and anarchy to disciplined living, from utter bankruptcy to the highest standards of moral excellence. Human history has never known such a complete transformation of a people or a place before or since - and IMAGINE all these unbelievable wonders in JUST OVER TWO DECADES.

The world has had its share of great personalities. But these were one sided figures who distinguished themselves in but one or two field, such as religious thought or military leadership. The lives and teachings of these great personalities of the world are shrouded in the mist of time. There is so much speculation about the time and place their birth, the mode and style of their life, the nature and detail of their teachings and the degree and measure of their success or failure that is impossible for humanity to reconstruct accurately the lives and teachings of these men.

[s]Not so this man. Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) accomplished so much in such diverse fields of human thought and behavior in the fullest blaze of human history. Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics.
[/s]

Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was a religious teacher, a social reformer, a moral guide, an administrative colossus, a faithful friend, a wonderful companion, a devoted husband, a loving father - all in one. No other man in history ever excelled or equaled him in any of these different aspects of life - but it was only for the selfless personality of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to achieve such incredible perfection.

Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was nothing more or less than a human being. but he was a man with a noble mission, which was to unite humanity on the worship of ONE and ONLY ONE GOD and to teach them the way to honest and upright living based on the commands of God. He always described himself as, 'A Servant and Messenger of God' and so indeed every action of his proclaimed to be.

facheux:
Weak hadith deal with it

Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been [b]accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics.

[s]Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been [b]accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics.[/s]

facheux:
Unphilaz you getting enough fibre in your diet ?

Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been [b]accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics.

facheux:
Take your loss and move on

Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers [b]but even by his prejudiced critics.

Demmzy15:
You're a miserable man, did you care to check the authenticity of this hadeeth?! Here is it:

Grade : Da'if  (Al-Albani)
Reference  : Sunan Abi Dawud 2131
In-book reference  : Book 12, Hadith 86
English translation  : Book 11, Hadith 2126
The hadeeth is unauthentic!

Da`if -weak hadeeth:

A hadith which fails to reach the status of Hasan is Da`if. Usually, the weakness is one of discontinuity in the isnad, in which case the hadith could be Mursal, Mu`allaq, Mudallas, Munqati` or Mu`dal, according to the precise nature of the discontinuity, or one of a reporter having a disparaged character, such as due to his telling lies, excessive mistakes, opposition to the narration of more reliable sources, involvement in innovation, or ambiguity surrounding his person.

The smaller the number and importance of defects, the less severe the weakness. The more the defects in number and severity, the closer the hadith will be to being Maudu` (fabricated).

Some ahadith, according to the variation in the nature of the weakness associated with its reporters, rank at the bottom of the Hasan grade or at the top of the Da`if grade. Reporters such as `Abdullah b. Lahi'ah (a famous judge from Egypt), `Abd al-Rahman b. Zaid b. Aslam, Abu Bakr b. Abi Maryam al-Himsi, Faraj b. Fadalah, and Rishdin b. Sa'd attract such types of varying ranks as they are neither extremely good preservers nor totally abandoned by the traditionists.

O ye Christians change, as for the inbred animals making noise, continue o!!! Your deception has been exposed once again, next?!!

Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been [b]accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics.

Demmzy15:
This people are humans and they're prone to mistakes. No one is perfect, if you christians can be careful as Muslims, then all the nasty stories of your would be filtered out!

Blackfire:
how far my brother?

@facheux did Allah wrote the quran with his hand and drop it for mohamed... Or a spirit dictate it for mohamed who dictate it to his mujahadins .... Or they were things he heard from other religion viz Hindus, Christians, Jews, zoroastans,in mecca and when he used to go on a business trip for khadijat to Syria , which he fine tuned to suit his own personal agenda? .

@deathstroke007 am still waiting for the bible verse that says the mark on mohamed's shoulder proves his prophethood... Do i need to wait till next year?.
Blackfire is here.

facheux:
MUHAMMAD (peace and blessings be upon him).

He was by far the most remarkable man that ever set foot on this earth. He preached a religion, founded a state, built a nation, laid down a moral code, initiated numerous social and political reforms, established a powerful and dynamic society to practice and represent his teachings and completely revolutionized the worlds of human thought and behavior for all times to come.

He was born in Arabia in the year 570 C.E. (Common Era), started his mission of preaching the religion of Truth, Islam (submission to One God at the age of forty and departed from this world at the age of sixty-three.

During this short period of 23 years of his prophethood, he changed the complete Arabian Peninsula from paganism and idolatry to worship of One God, from tribal quarrels and wars to national solidarity and cohesion, from drunkenness and debauchery to sobriety and piety, from lawlessness and anarchy to disciplined living, from utter bankruptcy to the highest standards of moral excellence. Human history has never known such a complete transformation of a people or a place before or since - and IMAGINE all these unbelievable wonders in JUST OVER TWO DECADES.

The world has had its share of great personalities. But these were one sided figures who distinguished themselves in but one or two field, such as religious thought or military leadership. The lives and teachings of these great personalities of the world are shrouded in the mist of time. There is so much speculation about the time and place their birth, the mode and style of their life, the nature and detail of their teachings and the degree and measure of their success or failure that is impossible for humanity to reconstruct accurately the lives and teachings of these men.

Not so this man. Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) accomplished so much in such diverse fields of human thought and behavior in the fullest blaze of human history. Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics.

Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was a religious teacher, a social reformer, a moral guide, an administrative colossus, a faithful friend, a wonderful companion, a devoted husband, a loving father - all in one. No other man in history ever excelled or equaled him in any of these different aspects of life - but it was only for the selfless personality of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to achieve such incredible perfection.

Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was nothing more or less than a human being. but he was a man with a noble mission, which was to unite humanity on the worship of ONE and ONLY ONE GOD and to teach them the way to honest and upright living based on the commands of God. He always described himself as, 'A Servant and Messenger of God' and so indeed every action of his proclaimed to be.

facheux:
MUHAMMAD (peace and blessings be upon him).


Not so this man. Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) accomplished so much in such diverse fields of human thought and behavior in the fullest blaze of human history. Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics.

analice107:
The atheists don't believe in God's existence. Let them call the wrath of God upon them. Funny enough, you may think nothing happened, but when it happens will they come publicly and publish it?
For you right now. Challenge God by calling blindness on youself and watch yourself.

CoolUsername:
Because we're all made up of the same stuff, DNA.

plaetton:
No one is here on NL religious section to teach you the theory of evolution.

It is just common sense that before you criticize a scientific theory or anything else for that matter, you do yourself a big favor by carefully studying the subject matter.

Coming here with a Sunday school mindset, and then expecting to be taught here what other smart people learn in science class, is just silliness.

plaetton:
Your questions simply means that you still don't get it.
You read, but failed to understand the op.

I don't blame you through.
Because you have very little idea of what she is talking about.
We have a very poor science education in Nigeria, so most Nigerians are scientifically illiterate or semiliterate.

Now, if you are sincere in your questions, then go ahead and take time to study the subject.

Nairaland religious section might not be the ideal place to start your scientific education.

cloudgoddess:
However evolution is directly observed with fruit flies (usually drosophila melanogaster) and bacteria (usually e. coli) in biology labs across the world; since those species have short generation times (20 minutes for e.coli, 7 days for drosophila) and their DNA is easy to sequence (simplier organisms = less DNA). The organisms are allowed to reproduce for many, many generations, then their DNA is examined for the expected changes.

analice107:
^^^And, what were the last species to evolve? From what did they evolve to?
What species are undergoing evolution right now, who is observing this process?

- Over many, many generations this process slowly creates new species - members of a population become so far removed genetically, that they can no longer reproduce with one another.

mustymatic:
I keep telling you...son of God is not God . and in the bible there are numerous sons of God. For the sake of argument, show me where he's God .

Now, to put forth a standard which we will agree upon...

1. The Jesus Christ in the Scripture is same as the Isa in the koran...
2. You agree that the Scripture in circulation is the BOOK that the Koran spoke of and its same as when mohammed met christians... if you have any objection... please give us the BOOK refered in this Surah, if you have none, then it means the current Scripture is the Book.

First of all WHAT Allah has SPOKEN in the KORAN, CANNOT be abrogated by NO ONE?

Secondly, YOU agree that Mohammed and ALL muslims are servants/SLAVE of Allah!

update: Does Allah need ears to hear, mouth to speak like man? (please add this as part of my question, thanks)

now you can ask your question but on the following conditions
1- we stay on one topic at a time, this will prevent dodging tactics that some Christians use

2- To avoid copy paste and lengthy sentences, let us limit our response to 10 lines at a time

3- You will not abuse whom I hold esteem and vice versa

you can as well add your own rules

you can also create another thread to avoid disturbances

Peace on the follower of guidance

From your post, I don't think you have ask any question!!! So please what is the question and also, can you please state the verse of Qura'an you are quoting from.
Thanks

mustymatic:
Brother, for the bible to have numerous versions only goes to show how unreliable it is...even amongst you Christians. Corrupted
Peace!

I will convert and believe that Jesus is Son of God if unphilaz will show me in the bible

Now, to put forth a standard which we will agree upon...

1. The Jesus Christ in the Scripture is same as the Isa in the koran...
2. You agree that the Scripture in circulation is the BOOK that the Koran spoke of and its same as when mohammed met christians... if you have any objection... please give us the BOOK refered in this Surah, if you have none, then it means the current Scripture is the Book.

nasiayam:
+1 amazing post

I will convert and believe that Jesus is Son of God if unphilaz will show me in the bible