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malvisguy212:
what is the main purpose of revealing the hadith ? Or is the quran not enough ? I thought allah say in the quran, "his word is completed" ? Why will you call some hadith false and some authentic ?

lexiconkabir:
I have always known you, in particular to be very irrational, how many times do i have to say this? Allah told we muslims that we should take the Quran as a criterion over all other things, be it books, acts, etc that has to do with the religion, check chapter 25 of the Quran to see this. Hadith was written years after the noble prophet pbuh, there are bound to be lies and errors in it, thats why hadith normally starts with "i heard from the prophet" meaning it should be scrutinized, it might be a lie ascribed to Muhammad pbuh, thats where the Quran comes in, if it contradicts the quran, then it is discarded, thats what it is.

analice107:
And little wonder you muslims claim that the promised comforter, who is the Holy Spirit, who happens to be the third person in the trinity, is Muhammed. If you shd agree that the comforter is Muhammed, we will belive that Muhammed is in the trinity.
The bible is corrupt, mutilated, beyond recognition. Yet you recognise it enough to insert your Muhammed into it, why is that? Why do you want your glorious Muhammed inside such a corrupt book? Imao. Satan is a biggg liar.

Mologi:
Her short ,her body,her rape

AlMuflihah:
If by islamic text you meant the Qur'an or an authentic hadith YES it can't be lifted or removed. but if by islamic text you meant weak or fabricated ahadith, then you know the answer to that already because it's not even from Muhammad(Peace be upon him)

AlMuflihah:
Wallahi I don't understand your question.
but I think I said everything still remains where they were recorded and we still find them in books knowing they're authentic, weak or fabricated.
So we strive to ascertain the authenticity of an hadith we read through the science before attributing it to Muhammad(Peace be upon him) or working with them.

AlMuflihah:
YES the Qur'an can no longer be abrogated... but while it was being revealed, some verses came to abrogate some... the abrogated verses are called 'mansukh' while the abrogating ones are called 'naasikh'.

Abrogation Naskh means lifting or removing, but in islamic terminology it means lifting the ruling indicated by an islamic text on the basis of another evidence from the Qur'an or Sunnah.
any other question after this?

AlMuflihah:
YES the Qur'an can no longer be abrogated

AlMuflihah:
Wallahi I don't understand you o. Do you know what is jarh wa tadeel?
First of all why do you keep remixing the samething that has been answered over and over again haba.

It has been said; the lies have been separated from the truth through a very well developed study of the science of hadith.

So to your call of doing away with the hadith...

Quote me on this, any Muslim who intentionally neglects working with an authentic Hadith of the Prophet has indeed disbelieved in the Qur'an hence in Allah... for Allah said...

مَّآ أَفَآءَ ٱللَّهُ عَلَىٰ رَسُولِهِۦ مِنْ أَهْلِ ٱلْقُرَىٰ فَلِلَّهِ وَلِلرَّسُولِ وَلِذِى ٱلْقُرْبَىٰ وَٱلْيَتَٰمَىٰ وَٱلْمَسَٰكِينِ وَٱبْنِ ٱلسَّبِيلِ كَىْ لَا يَكُونَ دُولَةًۢ بَيْنَ ٱلْأَغْنِيَآءِ مِنكُمْ ۚ وَمَآ ءَاتَىٰكُمُ ٱلرَّسُولُ فَخُذُوهُ وَمَا نَهَىٰكُمْ عَنْهُ فَٱنتَهُوا۟ ۚ وَٱتَّقُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ ۖ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ شَدِيدُ ٱلْعِقَابِ
"... And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it), and fear Allah. Verily, Allah is Severe in punishment."
59:7

Although there exist several other verses that shows the importance of hadith to muslims... hence why we expend every bit of our strength to protect it from falsehood.

I hope this piece is sufficient to make you shhh...

AlMuflihah:
The revelation is the Qur'an...

And your answer to my initial questions would determine the definition of abrogation I will give...

AlMuflihah:
First of all your analogy of the drink is not applicable, for unlike a drink inside one cup, the ahadith are very numerous and you could easily separate the lies from the truth if you are disciplined enough to learn. Mind you, this field you guys are lamenting on, is one of the most intellectually demanding fields in the studies of the religion... you can't stop liars from lying but you can separate their lies from the truth with the very well developed science of the study of hadith. Not any idiot like true2god, annunaki, blackfire or analice can just chuck mouth.

AlMuflihah:
I will answer but your question might be interpreted in many ways, so for further clarification; are you referring to abrogation after the Revelation is COMPLETED or while it is still being revealed.

And note if what you meant by Allah's words is the ahadith, then don't bother answering for your case is very serious for I have explained the ahadith are generally not Allah's words...

DeathStroke007:
No offense.. How old are you?

Your comprehension of explanation is zero

lexiconkabir:
My friend, you are holding a feable straw, find some strong points then quote me.

DeathStroke007:
OLODO ni e.. You are daft...


It's the content and chain of narration that will determine it's authenticity

lexiconkabir:
this has been answered by Almuflihah, her answer is sufficient for the wise, go and read her first post.

1)if it is fabricated, why is it still in Islamic libraries?
Ans: unlike Christians, we don't add or remove to islamic
literatures as it soothes us. it is even a thing of benefit to
us that it is in our books because it proves that every other
book apart from the Qur'an can be subjected to human errors.
Do you even know how these hadiths are recorded? It is recorded
through a chain of transmitters before it gets to the one who wrote
it down. So in the process, there might be corruptions or people like
you might pretend to be Muslims and fabricate lies against Islam
and report it as though it is an hadith and the one who recorded
it might be unaware and will just record it without knowing it's
from the enemy of Islam because he fears if he doesn't he is
hiding a knowledge which highly prohibited to us.

2)why do you use it as teaching materials in some madrasahs?
Simple it's to teach people who are ready to use their intellects
(not people like you) how to recognise lies told against Islam from the truth.

3) why can't Muslims burn in?
Answered from one above, because we aren't permitted to just
remove anything or hide anything. And so we can learn how to
recognise lies from truth by using those fabricated hadiths as examples.

4) why don't Muslims do official fatwas that it is fabricated?
Is the fatwa of shaykh Al-albani quoted for you by my brother
demzy not okay for you or until I quote Poo Francis?

AlMuflihah:
Thank for you at least requesting to get issues clarified. I had answered this questions before. And my brother lexiconkabir had told you that the only book Allah promised to protect is the Qur'an not Bukhari, Muslim or Abu Dawud.

lexiconkabir:
Guy, you dont have any point, when you have something reasonable to say, quote me.

yazach:
The major problem of you guys is behaving like a zombie, you keep on repeating same-thing

Were your not informed in the explanation that they are human being and all creature can make mistake except the creator.

receive brain

lexiconkabir:
not half truths and half lies, but some truths and some lies, hope you know the difference? IFF it doesnt contradict the Quran like i said earlier, then yes! if it does, then its thrown out of the window.

DeathStroke007:
It's in the hadith itself you will see the Chain of narration.. The hadith you posted is weak hadith..


And if you wanna say its strong hadith... Then the Moses law justified what the hadith is saying as right...



Let's forget maybe weak hadith or not..



What that hadith is saying is supported by mosaic law..the commandments from God... The law about adultery... Go read it's explanation

lexiconkabir:
you have a long way to go, you dont even know anything, abu dawood and bukhari, close to the prophet?

lexiconkabir:
That question has been answered, so i wont waste my time with it, go and read.

Dont ask me silly questions, Allah promised to guard the Quran only, period! bukhari and abu dawud are not the narrators, they are just recorders.

DeathStroke007:
Some hadith were written by [b]kufars, unbeliever's, some are lies.....[/b]and some are truth...


That's why we classified it into weak and strong hadith..



Olodo

true2god:
If the narration is weak why is there no fatwa to condemn the hadith? If I publish thing against your prophet, in a public magazine, wont your mufti and ayatollas issue a fatwa for me to be killed for blasphemy against your prophet? Is there any official rejection of this hadith, by the council of islamic scholars, aside from classifying it as a weak hadith by some unkown and irrelevant muslims like you?

Take a chill pill, there are thousands of hadiths, without chain of narrators, which spoke well of your prophet and were all clasified sahih (original), why the inconsistency anytime the hadith place your prophet in a bad light? You muslims cant just cherry-pick what you want in the hadith, it is either you accept all hadiths that had been in circulation for hundreds of years or you discard the hadiths altogether.

Some muslims have already discarded the hadith and call themselves 'quran only' muslims. Why are you deceiving yourselve ignorantly?

AlMuflihah:
Ode...ahadith words of Allah u see,u are so empty when it comes to islam...ahadith are d sayings and doings of the prophet sallallahu alahi wasallam recorded by men! Get that? And d glorious qur'an is d revelation from Allah to the prophet conveyed by angel Jubril (gabriel) the angel responsible for conveying messages...the angel that conveyed the messages of Allah to other prophets(moses,jesus,abraham,joseph,zachariyyah etc) and non-prohets (e.g mary)...but because it was recorded from men...it's bound to contain fabrication,and lies,intentional and unintentional (wch may be due to forgetfulness)...I have bursted ur lies sha... lo mu omi si

AlMuflihah:
The scholars of hadith (rahimahumullahu a'laihim aj'ma'in)...gathered millions of ahadith, everything they collected and
recorded them...dats part 1,then they took up d 2nd part wch is filtering those ahadith...to remove sand from garri...may Allah reward them... it's very normal if news reporters gather information on diff events from diff ppu...u'll see some will resemble the other, while some would just be almost opposite, some would not even resemble or make any sense to a particular event...they use. diff criteria to get the authentic news... as for the scholars of ahadith, they travelled across cities, countries and even across continents to confirm the authenticities of ahadith. Under the study of the science of hadith,there is d study of the art and science of transmission of ahadith.they'll trace d chain of transmission to the original eye witness... from the son of so, the father of so and neighbour of so, to the brother of so, the grandchild of so...to d origin itself...if along d line... 2 transistors contradict, they'll av to ascertain who is wrong and gave false information...and other methods being employed in Arabia is judging by the transmitters memory power,if someone is known to be a liar or of low memory power amongst other poor qualities, his ahadith will be rejected and would be graded daif (weak) or even fabricated... even till dis day... history is compiled this way...but I know with this little non-complex explanation...some block headed dustbin filled and heart darkened imbeciles would not comprehend...

lexiconkabir:
Unphilaz The only book that Allah promised to guard is the Quran, so they are bound to be lies in the hadith, this is not some book, where some anonymous writers wrote a book claiming to be inspired by some "holy spirit" sh!t.

DeathStroke007:
Hadith is the saying and deeds of prophet Muhammad(saw) written by other people. And we Muslims are told to allow and accept hadith with strong chain of narration from people close to prophet Muhammad (saw)..


This hadith is either weak or it's fake hadith..

facheux:
The deeper you dig your lying deceit hole, the farther your lying backside will have to climb out of it

facheux just show me from hadith or koran where it is allowed to abrogate the words of allahh and under what condition is such done? then we will know if the status of hasan is a standard and have met the above requirements for abrogation of the op hadith as either weak or unauthentic. please share so that our muslim apologist will help you

facheux:
Kuffar missionary tricks.

facheux just show me from hadith or koran where it is allowed to abrogate the words of allahh and under what condition is such done? then we will know if the status of hasan is a standard and have met the above requirements for abrogation of the op hadith as either weak or unauthentic. please share so that our muslim apologist will help you

facheux:
He can't help it his face just spews garbage.




So far I've nailed 3 of them as liars.

facheux just show me from hadith or koran where it is allowed to abrogate the words of allahh and under what condition is such done? then we will know if the status of hasan is a standard and have met the above requirements for abrogation of the op hadith as either weak or unauthentic. please share so that our muslim apologist will help you