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tintingz:
Was that really the reason U.S sent troops to Iraq?

That's the point. If the US want to invade any nation, all they need is sell a pretext that people'll fall for. For Iraq, it was Weapon of Mass Destruction, for Afghanistan it was 9/11.

The ethnic and cultural replacement of Europeans by Muslims and non-Europeans is taking place today, and in my next post I'll cite mainstream sources proving that this replacement is carefully orchestrated or at least facilitated by sinister forces under the pretext of diversity, tolerance or taking in 'refugees'/'asylee'.

I don't know, maybe helped them with their economy growth.

See? There is not enough job for the locals, yet you think they need immigrants to come boost their economy?

If the immigrants are not offering anything positive to the society, UK or France would have stop them from entering their country.

Oh come on, If the west is being destroyed from within, you don't think its governments could've been infiltrated so that self destructive policies will be enforced?

So?

So, a rift is building, a point may be reached where in some of these countries bloody conflict will ensue over territory and rule. Just wait till Muslims make up as much as 40-50% of population.

How will they alter their culture? Most cultures were altered in history through conquest/invasion. Has the French culture altered, has the English culture altered? Each country protect their culture, they are not dummies.

Already, I've cited demolition of churches to build mosques. Some of these churches are centuries old tourist sites and their architecture are rarities and that reflect the history of ancient Europe or Europeans.

Another thing is limiting freedom of speech. Criticism of Muslims and Islam is increasingly censored now. Freedom of speech is increasingly cut back on to appeal to Muslims. I could go on.

In as much as I don't like the Islamic culture, everyone have the rights to adopt any culture as long as it's a positive one. Cultures are man-made.

I have no issue with people having their culture. But if they are immigrants to a place with different culture, they should respect that culture. But this is not about Muslims expressing their culture. It is about mass migration of Muslims to the west to overshadow western culture with Muslim culture. You got it?

tintingz:
How is this a societal problem?

And you think adultery always cause these things?

Most of the time. Once one spouse commit adultery, even if their partner did not find out, the marriage begin to suffer. And this leads to all the problems I've cited.

How?

Ignorance is one reason why people commit adultery. For instance, a man may cheat because he ignorantly believes it is unnatural for men to stick with one partner. A woman may cheat because she she thinks of her husband not endowned enough to satisfy a woman.

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tintingz:
Invading another nation is under criminal act signed by all nations in the UN.

Oh, and you think UN criminal acts are perfect? Why then did US invade Iraq in 2003?

Immigration has it positive and negativity, mass immigration can crumble an economy if the immigrants have nothing positive to offer to the society.

You still didn't answer the question. How have mass immigration of Muslims helped UK or France?

You have some valid points in your article while some points are conspiracies, you believe immigrants agenda is to take over a nation these same ideology is what causes xenophobia in South Africa.

I don't believe the average Muslim immigrant in the west want Muslims to overthrow native westerners. Regardless of what the Muslim immigrants intend, they are occupying European territories, no different from the Jews occupying Arab territories till 1948.

The government of a nation have the power to send immigrants back to their countries, stop immigrants from entering their country, so why do you think immigrants can just take over a country?

Because the governments stopped putting their nation first. Do you think the common Europeans agreed to let in influx of Muslims that could potentially out number them and alter their culture in a few decades?

tintingz:


Give me reasons why two adults having consensual relationship is a problem in the society?

You're asking me why adultery is problem to society?

Divorce, broken homes, single mothers. Shall I go on?

budaatum:

And while he's at it, he should also state if it is a greater problem than ignorance caused by religious dogmatism.

Well, I don't think we should look at adultery and ignorance separately. Ignorance beget adultery and promiscuity.

tintingz:
In human history, conquest are used.

Yeah, but I thought we've moved beyond that. It is a bad side of human history that we refused to continue. Else what stops powerful nations like the US from invading Nigeria?

There are positive impact of migration in the society.

What is the positive impact of mass immigration of Muslims to the west? Ask the average westerner or Europeans what positive impact Muslim immigrants have created that Europeans themselves cannot.

tintingz:


So why do you think the rest should be criminalized?

I don't. Here is what I mean; Liberalism has excused adultery, alcohol, pornography and all kinds of vices. And this is not good. Should people be punished for adultery or drinking, perhaps not. But when the society begin to turn a blind eye and pretend that drinking can be cool and adultery is not the business of the society, then there is a problem.

tintingz:


You're the one creating this conspiracies to suit your fantasy, that's why it's a delusion.

Where did Christianity become abnormal in the west or murder become normal in the west? How's is LGBT affecting the west?

The last time I checked, Christianity is still the majority in the west, so where is your claim coming from? The Christianity morality is not an healthy morality just like Islamic morality, they have caused damages in history.

Kindly stop this conspiracies, it's delusional.

It is not conspiracy theory at this point. Mass immigration is a form of warfare. This is fact. All through human history migration has been used to ethnically cleanse/displace populations.

tintingz:


I disagree.

You need to define what morality is and what standard of morality do you propose and why that morality?

Adultery, pornography, alcohol consumption etc why do you think it should be criminalized and immoral?

Mention a perfect moral society, past and present?

Excuse my lack of better term, I don't necessarily mean 'decriminalize', I mean 'condone' or 'excuse'. And I mean it in reference to only adultery.

true2god:
I think there is an attempt by some political elements (the atheist left and the liberals) in the US and Europe to destroy the west.

You didn't mention the Zionists or Jewish supremacists. The primary enemies of Christians are not liberal atheists. They are Jewish, of course not all Jews, but Talmudic Jews, Jewish supremacists. It is time for Christians to stop speaking of Judea-Christian values and supporting Israel.

In 2019, Ilhan Omar became the second Muslim and first Muslim female member of US house of Rep., of Minnesota. Ilhan Omar of the democratic party is from Somalia. Her fellow democrat, Obama and his administration launched airstrikes and military raids in Somalia.

Obama administration led the manhunt and killing of Osama bin Laden, a man whom a lot of Muslims see as an hero. Muslims voted Obama because they hated the republican George Bush for attacking Afghanistan and Iraq, but Obama despite promising peace continued the war legacy of Bush.

Summary:

Muslims in the west support the left and thus the liberal anarchists in order to further their selfish goals. They will vote the liberal parties even if such parties protect harams like homosexuality, transsexualism or late term abortion in exchange for tolerance and special privileges for Muslims. This is just one of the means by which Muslims help destroy the west. I will deal with other means in future.

To most Muslims the conservative parties that want to keep Islam and its archaic laws at least from overthrow of secular democracy and laws, is the enemy. Trump, of the conservative party, the republicans, has no support in the Muslim community because he promised to end migration from Muslim countries, while Hilary who wanted to increase immigration from Muslim countries is the friend of Muslims or at least, the lesser of the two evils.

Trump is the enemy of Muslims because he moved the US embassy to Jerusalem but Obama is the friend of Muslims because he refused to use the term 'Radical Islam', even though he bombed 7 Muslim countries. Obama, the democrat became the first US president to legalize homosexual marriage, a union that majority of Muslims abhor. In near future, another democrat president will legalize child marriage and he will be elected by Muslims.

How the American Muslims serve the Liberal anarchists

Liberalism is a good thing, but like every good thing, too much of it is bad. For instance, liberals pushed for minority rights, freedom of belief and expression, secularism and other human rights values. But it is liberal that also pushed for decriminalizing adultery, alcohol consumption, pornography, promotion of all kinds of materialism and hedonism that eventually bring moral decay to society.

Like in any western country, Muslims vote overwhelmingly for the liberal party in US - the democrats. In 2008 and 2012, Muslims voted for Barack Obama. In 2016, Muslims voted for Hilary Clinton. The democrats often court the Muslims by cracking down on alleged Islamophobia, permitting headscarf or face veil in public space, increasing immigration for Muslims or increasing Muslim representatives in their party.

5. Earth Shape

Miracle

Qur'an mentions that the night is merged into day and day is merged into night in 31:29. It also mentioned in 39:5 that the night overlaps/coils into the night and the night into the day. Merging/coiling/overlap of day into night and night into day is not possible on a flat earth. In 79:30, the Qur'an states;

And the earth after that dahaha.

Dahaha mean to make something like an egg, an ostrich egg. So the full translation of the verse is "And the earth after that is made like an egg". It was only in the 1500s the earth was proven spherical with slightly flattened poles like an egg.

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Fact:

First, it is not true that merging/coiling/overlapping of day and night is impossible on a flat earth. This reasoning is flawed. To say the night merges into the day is to state something very obvious. And to state the night coils into the day does not confer any idea about the earth shape. It is in fact a misleading statement because the verb 'coil' is inappropriate for intangible objects like the 'night' or 'day'.

Finally, does dahaha mean 'to be made like an egg'? The answer might surprise you, but is No. Dahaha means to spread something, it is not related to ostrich egg. Most of the translators of the verse translate it as;

"And the earth after that was spread". See translations - http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=79&verse=30

Dahaha means 'to spread' something, not 'to round' it. This is more descriptive of a flat earth than a spherical earth.

Lastly, the earth is not shaped like an ostrich egg. An ostrich egg is oval shaped. The earth looks more like a sphere, being flattened at its north and south poles. An orange would be more adequate description of its shape than an egg.

It has been long postulated that Islam is the future of Europe. We did not know what this meant at the time, but from the mass migration of Muslims into Europe, the rapid population boom of Muslims in Europe, to the criminalization of 'Islamophobia', and to the maligning of Christian and European identity and history, we are in the last days of western civilization.

The enemies of the west at this point have taken Muslims as allies to help displace Christianity with Islam and replace Europeans with non Europeans. Which is why we have the White house hosting Iftaar every Ramadan, politicians condoning niqab & female genital mutilation in the name of freedom of religious expression; while same politicians prefer to say 'Happy holiday' instead of 'Happy Christmas', or refers to the victims of Sri Lankan bombings as 'Easter worshippers', rather than 'Christians'.

Now this unholy alliance of the enemies of the west - the far Left- and Muslims is built upon a shared goal to destroy the west. The far Left and the Muslims have nothing else in common. Once the west has fallen, the Left and the Muslims will immediately turn against each other.

Muslims as tools of the western far Leftists

When we think of warfare, we think of bullets, airstrikes, bomb blasts, bloodshed, property damage, and death. We think of Palestine, Iraq or Syria. But there is a certain type of war going on in the west and its weapon is mass immigration of non-Europeans to European regions in the name of diversity, multiculturalism, or supplementation the declining birthrate of ethnic Europeans.

Many Muslims today would not pass an offer to migrate to the west. To these Muslims, moving to the west is securing a better future for themselves or their families. I was one of such Muslim in the past but I changed my mind because I have seen a demographic/cultural war has been set off in the west by Zionists and Communists to destroy the west from within, and their chosen weapon this time are Muslims and non-Europeans.

Introduction - A brief look at Christchurch Mosque shooter.

Who still remember the Christchurch mosque massacre early this year, where a Caucasian youth open fire and laid to waste 50 Muslims on a Friday Jumaah service in New Zealand?

Although the Muslims bemoaned Islamophobia, this white shooter admit in his manifesto that he had nothing against Islam, but was concerned about the demographic shift threatening to replace whites in New Zealand with South Asians and African migrants, many of whom turned out to be Muslims. In other words, he wants New Zealand to remain predominantly white, just as Pakistan is predominantly brown and Somali is predominantly black.

Consider the Christchurch mosque. This was formerly a church, that had been demolished and a mosque was now built in its place. In the middle ages, when Muslims conquered a Christian territory, they demolished churches or sacred sites of Christians and built mosques in their place. The most famous case of this is Masjid al aqsa in Jerusalem.

Today Muslims don't even need to conquer New Zealand or Germany, Muslim governments like the Wahhabis of Saudi or the neo-ottomans of Turkey can just fund the purchase of sites and erect any mosque in almost anywhere in the western world. Destruction of sacred Christian sites to build Muslim sites is in fact erosion of a significant relics and history of the west, Christianity. It is an aggressive and insulting act associated with invasion.

So, this Rashduct4luv guy created a thread filled with misinformation on the spread of Islam. I'm forced to create this thread because as I've explained in the past, there is no future for Islam. In the 21st century, the only reason Islam still thrives is because unlike Christianity today, it is protected by law from any kind of intellectual attack.

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Content
Introduction - A brief look at Christchurch Mosque shooter
Muslims as tools of the western far Leftists

4. Worker Bee's gender and chromosome number

There is something intriguing about number 16 and bees in Qur'an.

Miracle

Chapter 16 is titled - The Bees
Chapter 16 has 128 verses. 128 is a multiple of 16.
The only verse that mentions 'bees' is 16 words long.
The only verse that mention 'bees' has 16 different letters.

The verses describe the action of worker bees - building and eating nectar- with feminine verbs.

Qur'an 16:68
And your Lord revealed to the bees; "Build your hives in mountains, trees, and in what they build. Then eat from every tree and follow your Lord's path".

Scientists have found out worker bees are females and have 16 chromosome pairs. People in ancient times didn't know this. Only God could've known the significance of number 16 to bees and the gender of worker bees.

Fact

Fun fact - The number of days it takes the queen bee to develop from egg to adult is about 16 days. People in ancient times knew this, and it is probable that the association of number 16 with bees in the Qur'an has to do with this well known fact, rather than chromosome number of bees.

Also, before the Qur'an, the ancient Greeks like Aristotle determined that worker bees were females.

Thus, nothing is intriguing about number 16 and bees in Qur'an.

3. Speed of Light:

Miracle

The angels take affairs of the earth back to God in one day, 23hrs 56 minutes and 4 seconds, and this duration to man is equal to 1000 years(32:5).

Calculate the speed of the angels by determining the distance the moon covers in 1000 years and dividing the value by the number of seconds in a day. 

In one lunar month, the moon completes an orbit. 
In one lunar year, the moon completes 12 orbits. 
Orbit of the moon/distance travelled by the moon per month is estimated to be 2,152,612.27km.
In one lunar year, the moon travels 2,152, 612.27 x 12 = 25, 831, 347km

In 1000 lunar years, the moon travels 25,831,347 * 1000
Number of seconds in a day = 86140

Speed at which affairs return to God = 25,813,347 * 1000/86140 = 299792km/s

299792km/s is the speed of light. The angels are in charge of returning the affairs to God in a day. And in Islam, angels are made of light, and can thus travel at light speed.

Fact

The moon completes 12.9 orbits in a lunar year, not 12. This is because although one lunar month is 29.5 days, the moon actually completes one orbit in 27.3 days. So the calculation is way off.

There is no basis for the assumption that the distance covered by the moon in 1000 years is the same distance it takes for the affairs to return to God in a day.

If the affairs cover roughly 25 billion kilometers to return to God, then then God's throne must be located nearer to earth than the nearest star. This can't be true as the Qur'an implies that Allah's throne is above the heavens, beyond the stars.

Why do Muslims Push Miracles of Qur'an?

If you do a Google search, you won't find shortage of Muslim websites devoted to 'scientific and numerical miracles of Qur'an'. Now, pushing scientific miracles of scriptures is not unique to Muslims. But, it is only Muslims that still adamantly pursue such fallacy with much fervor and conviction.

In another variation of this miracle, they counted all the occurrences of both nouns; land - 13, sea - 32, total = 45. They calculate the percentage of land count from the total count and the sea count from the total count, and obtain the values - 28.888% land, 71.1111 sea. And compare these values
with the values for the percentage of earth that is water(71) and land(29).

If you haven't noticed, the count of land is 13 here, not 12. And the count of sea is 32, rather than 33. This is because the rule for counting here is different. Here all the nouns are counted regardless of article. And then they opted to not to count the 'sea' in verse 20:77 as sea, but as 'land', for some flimsy reason.

Thus, they say "Look! Before modern science, the Qur'an revealed the percentage of earth surface covered with land and water with high precision."

2. Land to Sea ratio:

Miracle:

The word " the land" and "the sea" is used in the Qur'an 12 and 32 times respectively. If we look at the ratio of "the land" to "the sea", we find 12/32 = 0.375. The surface of the earth is 510 million square kilometers. Approximately 135 million kilometer square is land and 360 million kilometers is water. The ratio of land surface area to water surface area = 135/360 = 0.375.

Fact:

Sure, these counts are accurate. Still, a reasonable objection though is, why count only "the land" or "the sea"? If we count these nouns with or without the definite article "the", the overall count would be different. "Sea", with and without "the" occur 33 times in the Qur'an.

This rule of counting only the nouns proceeded with "the" did not apply when counting "day(s)" in the previous miracle. Why should it apply now?

1. 'Day(s)' count miracle of Qur'an

Miracle:

There are 365 appearances of the singular and unmodified word 'day' in the Qur'an. The solar years is 365 days. There are 475 appearances of all derivatives of 'day' in the Qur'an. The sun completes 475 rotations about its axis every Metonic cycle.

Fact:

Ancient Egyptians and Greeks already knew before Islam that the solar year is approximately 365.2 days. The Julian calendar before Islam had 365.25 days per year. If men already determined 365 days as solar year, nothing is impressive about the Qur'an mentioning 'day' 365 times.

And while it's true that all the derivatives of day occur 475 times in the Qur'an, the sun does not complete 475 rotations in a metonic cycle. Depending on the spot of the sun, it may take 24 to 30 days to complete one rotation. One metonic cycle is 19 years. In one metonic cycle the sun rotates any where from 230 to 290 times.

Introduction & Contents

For me the scientific and numerical miracle of the Qur'an were the Qur'an's selling point. And for this, I formed the habit of coming to defense of the Qur'an even when I found it lacking. Because, once you're convinced that scientific facts and numeric patterns far beyond human capacity in the 7th century are borne in the Qur'an, your faith in it is cemented. So, you will pull every trick, every linguistic or grammatical acrobatic to justify any verse.

The Qur'an is definitely a thoroughly penned text. The frequency of certain words in the Qur'an seem not at all random but an intelligent design with hidden scientific connotations as I'll show. This erroneously leads Muslims to jump at these findings as subtle hints that the Qur'an is definitely divine, after all, who other than God could have been behind these?

I will share some of these so called miracles here, purposing to highlight the misunderstandings behind them.

Empiree:
You no get work..i have helped you found a job. This subject you are dealing is not your area of expertise

Thanks but no thanks. I'm not a fan of working abroad. Our distinguished graduates should remain and serve our nation, instead of Denmark or America.

Rashduct4luv:










Continuing from where you stopped:

The Christians at the time of the Prophet objected to this verse on the grounds that it was meant literally, but the Prophet answered their question.

Mughira ibn Shu’ba reported: When I came to Najran, the Christian monks asked me, “You recite the verse: O sister of Aaron (19:28), whereas Moses was born long before Jesus by such-and-such years.” When I came back to the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, I asked him about it and he said:

إِنَّهُمْ كَانُوا يُسَمُّونَ بِأَنْبِيَائِهِمْ وَالصَّالِحِينَ قَبْلَهُمْ

Verily, they would name people with the names of prophets and righteous people who had gone before them.

Source: Sahih Muslim 2135, Grade: Sahih

Ibn Kathir reported:

Alli ibn Abu Talha and As-Suddi said: It was said to her: O sister of Aaron (19:28), meaning the brother of Moses because she was from among his descendants.

Ibn Kathir added:

This is like saying to somebody from the Tamimi tribe: O brother of at-Tamim, or to somebody from the al-Mudari tribe: O brother of Mudar.

Source: Tafseer Ibn Kathir, verse 19:28

Muhammad Asad comments on the verse, saying:

In ancient Semitic usage, a person’s name was often linked with that of a renowned ancestor or founder of the tribal line. Thus, for instance, a man of the tribe of Banu Tamim was sometimes addressed as “son of Tamim” or “brother of Tamim.” Since Mary belonged to the priestly caste, and hence descended from Aaron, the brother of Moses, she was called a “sister of Aaron,” in the same way as her cousin Elizabeth, the wife of Zachariah, is spoken of in Luke 1:5 as one of “the daughters of Aaron.”

Source: Message of the Quran

Therefore, the verse is not a historical mistake, but rather it is in perfect agreement with the Semitic languages and ancient custom.

First, I didn't say it is historical mistake. I haven't used the word "mistake, error, contradiction" or anything critical of the Qur'an in this post. You, and especially the nosy guy suffer from intense paranoia that even the though the aim of this is to cite Muslims' misunderstanding of Qur'an, you still see it as direct attack on Islam or Qur'an. Grow up.

Second, in any language at all, "sister of" only describes the relationship between blood relatives or individuals that have met and united for a course. In this case, unless Mary is the blood sister of Aaron or met and pursue a common course with Aaron, it is not suitable to describe her as his sister.

Descendants are described as 'son/daughter/children of' ancestor(s). For instance, Jesus - son of David, Mankind - children of Adam. Descendants are not described as brother or sister of their ancestors.

sino:


Brother mane, after we have congratulated you that "o da bo o" you have left the Ummah, you come show again?! I know you are at liberty to post anywhere, I had thought you wouldn't have anything to do with us again, but I see you are looking for validation or you are proselytizing your new found (lack of) faith?!

I don't need your validation and I don't need to proselytize. I just love to write, especially on interesting ideas pertaining to Islam.

Anyways, let me just say that seven heavens, the meaning and understanding can rightly be understood from the Qur'an! But I know you just like taking one verse, and find a way to suite your opinion regardless of what other verses might suggest. Please also note that the Qur'an had made mention of creations which cannot be SEEN by our naked eyes! Today a lot has been said about multiverse, dark matter, black hole etc. by scientists, but can we see them?!

If the verse states that "Do you not see how Allah has created the seven heavens, one above another", if you can't see the remaining six, at least you can see the one you look up to, does it look like something that anyone could have done except for the Creator?!

Bro mane, have you forgotten this verse of the Qur'an?

"O company of jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority [from Allah ]." (Qur'an 55:33)

Hello! Jinn are also creations of Allah (SWT) and they are amongst us, and we can't see them! Again, Allah (SWT) has given permission to explore the heavens, knowing fully well that man would definitely venture into space, and we are "SEEING" things that are mind blowing! Giving credence to the truth that Allah (SWT) is indeed the creator, because there isn't any better explanation for all these!

Finally, Allah (SWT) states in the Qur'an:

"It is Allah who has created seven heavens and of the earth, the like of them. [His] command descends among them so you may know that Allah is over all things competent and that Allah has encompassed all things in knowledge." (Qur'an 65:12)

The 7th century Muslims understood that there are creations of Allah (SWT) that cannot be seen by the naked eyes except by permission of Allah, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and if they explained it the way they understood it, using analogy of a tower with dome layers doesn't mean they were wrong and that we can't use our own analogy from modern science to explain this!

All in all, if you want to see the seven heavens, you should look at the one you can see! Do you have better explanations for how it came to be?!

Their analogy is misleading. Especially if you know that the seven heavens originally represented the 7 concentric celestial spheres of the geocentric universe model, along which the sun, moon and 5 visible planets where thought to orbit the earth.

Again, the Qur'an asks, "Do you not see?", if it is unseen creation, why ask the readers if they see it? "Do you not see" is an inquiry for whether one witnessed something.

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budaatum:

You clearly have no understanding of Christianity. If you did, you'd know Jesus himself is this so called injeel you are seeking.

Not according to Qur'an.

5. Iblis

Most Muslims would say that Iblis was a Jinn. Because an angel would never disobey God(16:49-50), and because Iblis himself admitted his creation from fire(7:12) - the source element for Jinns(55:15).

If any were to question this, they could point out that the directive to prostrate was meant for the angels and if Iblis was not an angel, there would be no requirement for him to prostrate.

2:34 And We said to the angels, “Bow down to Adam.” They bowed down, except for Satan. He refused, was arrogant, and was one of the disbelievers.

Couple that with the fact that there was no mention in the Qur'an exactly what what the angels have been created from. For all we know, they could've as well been fire creatures. That is unless otherwise we hold in regard the hadith which states the angels were created from light.

It thus remain unclear as to the type of creature Iblis is, a Jinn or a fallen angel.