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 Islam for Muslims / Re: Islam's Position On Homosexuality by usermane(m): 4:36am On Jun 25, 2019 |
JeromeBlack: Muhammad Hijab, Muslim philosopher? Man, you must have really low expectation of Muslims or poor appreciation for philosophy. Debating ignorant people about Islam on the street and publishing a book for God's existence, doesn't make you a philosopher. Is this not the man that justify wife hitting (Qur'an 4:34) with moral relativism? The man that can't see how hitting wives even with a tooth pick can provoke domestic violence even in the 7th century? Only thing one can learn from Hijab is a bit of diplomacy in discourse. Respect for your opponents. But nothing else. At the heart of it, this man is just a social media celebrity to Muslims. He, Ali Dawah, Dawah Man, these are cookie cutter Muslims who regurgitate the same flawed arguments by past scholars. Bunch of overzealous Muslims that live in the land of fasad, despite their religion prohibition against doing so, and seeking to make a name for themselves. 1 Like |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Philosophical Questions: Where Did Theism Get It Wrong? by usermane(m): 6:10pm On Jun 24, 2019 |
Salaam sino: Let's go by your interpretation that running for an appointed term mean running on a path or an orbit. Let's also forget about the heavens. And let's turn to 'night and day' which are subjects of the verb "running" in this verse. Now, how can running on an orbit be explained for night and day? In light of this reasoning, I'm inclined to believe 'running for an appointed term' most likely refers to 'serving their purposes for an appointed term'.
I could get into the flaw in this point but I'd risk provoking you more than I already did. I do not deal with assumptions on issues of my beliefs! I don't hold assumptions as facts, and would not base my interpretations on assumptions. You are the one that came up with the assumption of "verifying" the resting place for the Sun! Fair enough.
Yes, but it has always been subjected to individual bias. Even with the science of hadith, one hadith may be accepted by one scholar while at the same time rejected by another scholar. If you reject an hadith for a reason, just understand that other Muslims may accept the same hadith for different reason. Let's take the verses in question as an example, so some scholars held the opinion of geocentric model, while others held to the heliocentric model, but are these models the basis of faith in Islam?! The answer is NO! I'm not aware of any Qur'anic scholar of antiquity holding opinion of heliocentric model. There were Muslim scientists about the 10th century opposed to geocentric model, but there is no clear indication that this opposition was borne out of deducing heliocentric model from the Qur'an. Are these models the basis of faith? Yes. If the Qur'an implies one model and we determine that model is not the model of the solar system, then it is time to question the divinity or infallibility of Qur'an. I can summarize what the verses in question states thus:
Here, the verse 5 of chapter 39 states; "He wraps the night over the day and wraps the day over the night." The night and day are wrapping over themselves here, not over the earth. I could say this is problematic as the Qur'an speaks of night and day as if they are tangible objects, capable of wrapping like clothes. In common language we can say "the night has come", "the day has break", even though "come" and "break" are often used for tangible objects. But to say "the night wraps over the day" or "the day wraps over the night" is uncommon. Also, I still hold that resting place of the sun according to 36:38, refers to a place the sun goes at sunset. I've explained it cannot mean the place the sun comes to rest at the end of the world because the context of the passage (36:37-40) addresses daily events - day and night(36:37, 40), phases of the moon(36:39). There are numerous verses in the Qur'an addressing the end time. If resting place of the sun refers to where the sun comes to rest at end time, then the Qur'an would've mentioned the phrase among verses speaking of end times, rather than daily phenomena. Also, the hadith of Abu Dharr supports my interpretation. I'm really not convinced otherwise. But I chose not to continue to drag it. Lastly, Quran states night and day float in orbit(36:40) as the sun and moon. This does imply night and day are tangible objects rather than phenomena. You can say this is erroneous, unless of course you chose not to interpret 'falak' as literal orbit. Well, aforementioned verses are clear, and what are important to Muslims are also clear! The Qur'an is a book of guidance, to guide the sincere heart to acknowledging the truth! No deviation of heart here. The evidence of the differences among scholars on fundamental issues are all there as yardstick to measure the clarity of the Qur'an. Aside the Qur'an claim that it is clear, you have no external evidence to support your position that the Qur'an is clear. |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 4:21pm On Jun 24, 2019 |
najib632: Peace. I wonder the response you had in mind especially concerning my critique on Islam or traditional Islam to be precise. The tables have completely turned. The days of concealing the weakness or darkness in Islam died with the birth of internet. Thank God at least for these websites; sunnah.com quranx.com/Tafsirs/ corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp? Anyone lies about Islam now is easily exposed. The days of scholars concealing the facts from the public is long gone. |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 3:56pm On Jun 24, 2019 |
koonbey: Peace. I didn't concede anything. I admitted that I found out long ago that bin Laden denied a hand in 9/11. Muslim terrorists always admit if they are behind a terror attack. If bin Laden did not admit involvement, then I strongly feel he is not behind it. But none of this is relevant to the question of bin Laden as a terrorist. 9/11 or no 9/11, bin Laden was part of Mullah Omar's Talibans. And the Talibans were oppressors, if not terrorists. |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 3:29am On Jun 24, 2019 |
Hey! Look who shows up. najib632: Which bitter truth? When I told you the Qur'an was wrong to read, "He came to the setting (place) of the sun. He found it setting in a spring of muddy water. He found near it a people", what did you say? When I point the Qur'an and classic scholars were wrong to teach man is created from clot and sex fluid or garmetes come out from between the ribs and the back bones, what did you say? Go back to that thread and read your rude and disrespectful but poor attempt to defend the bitter truth. although you're even a bit soft on him Soft on me? I've dealt with Empyree and his overbearance and tactlessness since 2014. Nowadays, unlike you, Empyree rarely throws insults like "rascal" or "jaheel". What he employs is toxic mind games, psychological manipulation, and I'll cite more examples as I expose his ignorance on this thread.
You may call it slander if you please. But I've presented evidences to back my analysis of his psyche. I've ceased conversing with Empyree long ago due to his attitude. But since he continued to haunt me, have a go at me, using words for me that I too consider slanderous, I decide to have a party for him, just as I had a party for you earlier on. I have nothing against him, I wished him well in my last post to him last October, but truth must be told and I'd recommend an attitude adjustment for him. Taking delight in trolling, taunting, guilt tripping and intimidating people you disagree with, and living in the land of fasad even though your religion frowns upon it is not normal.
Abu Bakr as Sadik's jihad against the Persians was state terrorism as US war against Iraq. There are many hadith where Muhammad is commanded to fight the people untill they embrace Islam, this is terrorism. All the Imams of fiqh agreed that offensive jihad to expand the caliphate and spread sharia is responsibility of the caliphate. Offensive jihad is basically state terrorism. All what ISIS have done is supported by Muslim texts or traditions. Please, be honest. Don't lie or feign ignorance.
Every Muslim mock the Hadith of the messenger when they decide to cherry pick among Hadith. The Hadith said alcohol is not a medicine, but a disease. The prophet would not permit it use as medicine. But Muslims today make and consume medicine with alcohol, is this not mockery of the prophet's Hadith?
You are the joker here. Ever since you said mountains prevent earthquake and two sea waters or salt and fresh waters do not mix, and you twist and distort apparently flawed verses to make them seem right, I knew you to be another ignorant and arrogant Muslim like Empyree. |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Question! by usermane(m): 4:21pm On Jun 23, 2019 |
Peace It's more about things that didn't make sense than things that were hard. Things like; 1. Prohibition of drawing and painting animals or humans. Figure and portrait drawing are some of the most popular form of art. I had to give up both of them. 2. Prohibition of music. I didn't quit music for good. I recall promising to quit several times, deleting all my tracks, but only to re-download them months later. 3. Lunar Islamic calendar. Why are we using a lunar calendar? We've ditched this calendar in every other area of our lives because it is just too out of sync with seasonal rhythm. I don't know how many Muslims mark their birthday or how many Muslim countries mark their national day every 354 days. One of the most obvious flaw in the Islamic lunar calendar is how Ramadan sometimes fall in the period of midnight sun in the earth poles, so that fasting in such areas is not possible according to the Qurán specification, unless the Muslims at the poles relocate elsewhere. An option which isn't really practical for a religion that is meant for all place and time. 4. Muhammad's marriage to a 6 years old and consummation of the marriage after 3 years. I get that this was normal during the time. But Muhammad as a man of God should've known better. Which 6 years old is ready for the romance and sex associated with marriage, especially with a man of over 50? Yet, even with this Muslims shamelessly parrot, "Muhammad is the best example for all mankind." Which obviously cement child marriage in Islam, a practice we all hate to love. 5. Prohibition against dating or courtship: It never made sense to me that Islam forbid dating or courtship before marriage, but permits men to purchase unmarried slave women to serve as lovers or concubines. 6. Hudud; Amputating thieves, stoning adulterers, throwing homosexuals off rooftops or cliffs, killing apostates. Obviously, if you've been reading my works for the past months or years, you can see I never really came to terms with these areas of Islam. I've in fact recognized them for what they are - Man made. And have stopped struggling to come to terms with them. 2 Likes |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 3:51pm On Jun 23, 2019 |
The Muslim community is a joke The west knows of Muslim grievances against the them, and they know the narratives in support of terrorism in reaction to such grievances exist in Muslim sacred texts, so all they need to set off turmoil in the Muslim world is to help create and fund a terrorist group. And devoted, jihad loving Muslims would flock. As twisted as the west plan may be, it work so well that you can't help but wonder at the genius. For example, it was them who supported the creation of Hamas and funded it in the 1990s. It is possible, you know, that US supplies Hamas with rockets, Hamas launches at Israel without any damage, and Israel get an excuse to launch her own rocket at Palestine, causing significant damage. Do not think this is unlikely. Back in the Iraq-Iran war(1980s), the US covertly supplied Iraqis with weapons and training, while Israel supplied the same to Iranians. So, basically you have two Muslim countries manipulated by the same west, like chess pieces on a chess board. So, continue to blame the west for funding ISIS, Empyree. And keep undermining the seeds for terrorism in Muslim sacred texts. |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 3:50pm On Jun 23, 2019 |
Empyree on Judeo-Christian Terrorism Empyree: Yea, yea. Let's start from the 18th century, when the Christians became superpowers and abused their military might. Forget everything from the 7th century when Muslims were superpowers and abused their military might. How convenient. We all know isis and co are covert operations. Therefore, they can't be solely muslim vs others. We? You're alone in this illusion. ISIS combatants plundering, raping, slave trafficking and killing are Muslims. The covert support of western governments only changes little. It is Muslims who are leaving their bedrooms to go join ISIS, and apart from grievances against western colonialism, Islam is a very major driving factor for their choice. |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 3:49pm On Jun 23, 2019 |
Empyree's habitual damage control for Islam and Muslims Empyree: Yea, Saudi people no longer represent Islam. Everything good about Saudis is Islam, everything bad about them is not Islam. And anything good in the westerners is not Christianity, but anything bad about them is Christianity. We have hadith which speaks about SCUMS prevailing in the Arabia. It says when scums prevailing, wait for the destruction of Arabs. We are seeing scums now. The are basically going from one extreme to another. I know, right? Wait for the destruction of Arabs after they host Mariah Carey and WWE, and what else? Opened cinemas, and ...let women drive? What a load of damage control! |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Islam's Position On Homosexuality by usermane(m): 12:39pm On Jun 22, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv: Hahaha. Is it not the same prophetic medicine that point to fever as coming from hell and recommend exorcism for scorpion sting? |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Philosophical Questions: Where Did Theism Get It Wrong? by usermane(m): 3:55pm On Jun 19, 2019 |
sino: I didn't say "all running for a specific term" is limited to sun and moon. I said it is limited to sun, moon, night and day. You can't include earth, or you'll have to include heavens. And if you include the heavens then obviously "running for a specific term" is not referring to orbital motion. But there is nothing in the Qur'an or authentic hadiths that indicates this! If there is none, then it remains your assumptions! I don't deal with such! Well, I made this assumption apparently because I wanted you to see how a 7th century folk could understand this verse. Just put yourself in the shoes of the 7th century folks. "Resting place for the sun" could remind them of such pre-Islamic myths about the sun. We learn by association. We all deal with assumptions when reading any document. You also have assumed so far. For instance, you assumed that if resting place is implying the place the sun goes at sunset, then resting place has to be a point that the sun will also rise from, rather than rise from the east or west. I believe this is why you disagree the sahih hadith by Abu Dharr supports my interpretation. I also do not use unclassified hadiths to form major opinions about my faith! There are important reasons why there is an aspect of Islamic knowledge known as science of hadiths... Fair enough. Please, note. This unclassified hadith was accepted by earlier Muslims. There is no such thing as classified or unclassified hadith, hadith is hadith, and whether a hadith is classified or authentic vary from Muslim to Muslim, scholar to scholar, era to era. No! I said the message of the Qur'an is clear to every generation, the advancement in knowledge only helps buttress the understanding of this message, and this doesn't suggest that the message was never understood, but to buttress the message as the truth form Allah (SWT)! Those who were in the time of the Prophet (SAW) saw the Prophet and witness the truth of the message of the Prophet (SAW), they do not need the heliocentric model to believe this truth, neither do they need the the anatomic view of the embryo's developmental stages in the womb! OK. If that's what you say, then Houston we still have a problem. If the message is clear to every generation, why do scholars differ on numerous verses? The verse we discuss alone, has two differing understanding among the scholars, why? Also, I don't get how advancement of knowledge buttress the understanding of the message. It basically changes the understanding of the message. On reading the tafsir of earlier scholars on verses pertaining to astronomy, anatomy or embryology, I find that earlier Muslims understood the Qur'an quite differently from modern Muslims. The question you need to ask yourself is, what is the message of the Qur'an?! Qur'an is a clarification of everything important on; "Spirituality, Laws and Ethics, History, Afterlife and Natural sciences." Whatever you wish to consider isn't the problem of the Qur'an, afterall, there are those who even take verses of the Qur'an out of context, erroneously (and sometimes on purpose) to justify their hate, terrorism, corruption, etc...The truth is always clear, and with a little bit of open-minded reasoning and reflection coupled with sincerity (or as Buda puts it, diligence and perseverance), you would always see the truth in the Qur'an, a clear book! When you say a book is clear, everyone should be able to read it without even moderate differences in understanding. This is not the case with Qur'an, unfortunately. For instance, scholars disagree on essential issues; Abrogated verses of the Qur'an Permissibility for Offensive jihad Fasting & Salat timing in the Arctic and Antarctic circles during the periods of midnight sun. Permissibility of slavery etc. I believe you understand this disagreements are not trivial. Here are other areas the Qur'an is not clear; What are the 7 heavens? Who was Dhul Qarnayn and where are the walls he built to hold back Gog and Magog till the Armageddon? Why does the Qur'an sometimes reads like the speech of other than God? You can see there are issues with Qur'anic text. You can say the Qur'an is clear because it states it is clear, but it doesn't change reality. 1 Like |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 2:29pm On Jun 19, 2019 |
Empyree sees all these evidences to his hypocrisy and he resort to psychologically manipulate us to forget his fault - his fault of living in the land of fasad and associating with the people of fasad. And he does so by constantly reminding us that it is Christians that are to blame for these fasad, not Muslims like him. Overzealous Muslims like Empyree in the west internally deal with guilt, for living in the land of fasad(west). And to sublimate their guilt they have to project their guilt upon people they deem as encouraging or engaging in the fasad, as if to remind their God that they are not in support of this fasad, even though they've overlooked their God's requirement for them to avoid dwelling in the land of fasad. |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 2:28pm On Jun 19, 2019 |
Empyree knows these well; Empyree: |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 2:28pm On Jun 19, 2019 |
If you're a Muslim and you can't stand 'fasad', there is absolutely no reason to remain in the west. You recall what God asked Lot to do in Sodom, the city of fasad? He asked Lot to leave with his family and believers. That's right, the mere immigration of traditional Muslims to the west is a violation of traditional Islam itself. And guess what, hadith reports that Muhammad; - disowned Muslims who settle with the kufars - warned Muslims who remain with the people of fasad that when Allah's punishment comes upon the land, even the pious Muslims in the land will bear it. - requested even Muslim converts from outside Islamic state to emigrate to the Islamic state. |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 2:27pm On Jun 19, 2019 |
But hypocritically, Empyree is an immigrant to US, the land that permit all the fasad, everything that he despises. He is not a Caucasian or African American, he has no reason to remain in US if he truly hates the fasad. He chose to remain there. To what? To cry and bitch. Why not emigrate from the US? After all, the westerners themselves are tired of Muslim migrants, even though they continue to be politically correct. So if the fasad is too much, what keeps Empyree from emigrating elsewhere? Why not move to Brunei? Don't like there?; What about Saudi A? Too strict?; Iran? Too Shiite? Pakistan, Egypt, Indonesia, Qatar? There are 57 Muslim countries that don't condone fasad, surely they'll be happy to have Empyree and his family. |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 2:26pm On Jun 19, 2019 |
Empyree: Guilt of a Muslim migrant to the land of 'fasad'(mischief) Another defining trait of Empyree is his vocal hate for the western culture of 'fasad' - homosexuality, nudity, blasphemy, anti-Islam, alcohol, promiscuity. He hates that the western regimes fund wars against or among Muslims. All of this is laid out in his guilt tripping of tru2god as I analyzed in my last post: Empyree: |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 4:15pm On Jun 16, 2019 |
Now, he could've stopped there. Every sincere theist will have doubts. As Empyree fails to understand, there is no such thing as perfect ideology or perfect book. And doubts will arise among co-religionists, even among the most devoted. That is provided they are sincere. Empyree: Is this not guilt-tripping? I stand to be corrected. What's this meant for. To push Abdulbasit into questioning his his sincerity rather than his faith? Classic psychological manipulation at play here, if you ask me. Now, this is a valid question as far as perfect and all intelligent creator of human is concerned. It is one that no theist could respond to. Albaqr's attempt was nothing more than "Rhesus factor shouldn't be considered flaw in design because we just might be yet to understand its importance." Anyway, I've dealt with blood groups and how the incompatibilities between the blood groups and severe reaction when they mix, poses a crucial challenge to theists. See my post; |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 4:14pm On Jun 16, 2019 |
Abdulbasit: Empyree attempt to provide an answer, but never does. His answer strongly implies he did not even understand the question. Empyree: 1 Like |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 4:13pm On Jun 16, 2019 |
Empyree V Abdulbasit Here a Muslim arrives with an intelligent question. Why does Allah create Rhesus factor, which in fetal blood stimulates maternal blood antibodies that crosses blood-placenta barrier and cause hemolytic disease of newborn. https://www.nairaland.com/5155136/why-did-allah-create-rhesus#77872404 |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 3:45pm On Jun 16, 2019 |
This is Empyree at his finest. He first psychologically manipulates a man and guilt trip the man into apology for his co-religionists. And then he psychologically manipulates the man by liking and re-posting the man's comments - opposing another man, obviously of course to make the man feel good again. |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 3:44pm On Jun 16, 2019 |
As a gentleman, Empyree should've just let it go after tru2god at first criticized the sermon. But Empyree is no gentleman, he lacks tact, he instead loses his temper and unleash his rage in his reply to tru2god. Empyree tries to get under his opponent's skin, he tries to get int their head. Shortly after, when I posted for homosexuality, Empyree did not hesistate to like and re-post tru2god's post and commending tru2god for opposing me against homosexuality. So that the two of them together, gladly opposed me like they had not just been fighting. https://www.nairaland.com/5144263/25-sharia-laws-breaching-human/2#78102705 https://www.nairaland.com/5144263/25-sharia-laws-breaching-human/3#78105791 https://www.nairaland.com/5144263/25-sharia-laws-breaching-human/3#78109463 |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 3:44pm On Jun 16, 2019 |
tru2god not only falls into apology for his coreligionists, but he plunges into Empyree's blame game and mudslinging at this point; tru2god: |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 3:43pm On Jun 16, 2019 |
And this guilt-tripping might have succeeded this time. Because we can see in tru2god's following post that he is forced to come to apology for his Christian brothers and deny any of those "evils" Empyree blames on Christian are really encouraged by Christians. tru2god: |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 3:42pm On Jun 16, 2019 |
Now, tru2god's final paragraph further provoked Empyree, and the latter returns with more guilt-tripping, blame game & mudslinging. He blames all what he he deems "evil" on the tru2god's religious brothers - the Christian west. All evil comes from the Christian west, including the Muslim terrorists reciting Qur'an and shouting Allahu Akbar as they amputate a pilferer. Empyree: |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 3:39pm On Jun 16, 2019 |
So, what Empyree has done so far is guilt-tripping. He's guilt tripping tru2god of polytheism and non-cooperation for peace. Empyree's guilt-triping did not succeed at first. When tru2god returns, tru2god merely restated and defended his position on the sermon. But you can tell he was a little ticked off in his final paragragh which he devoted to slamming Islam and Muslims' poor history of co-existence with other faiths and believers. tru2god: |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 3:38pm On Jun 16, 2019 |
Some how, this triggered Empyree, and he latched on the underlined words of tru2god, in accusing the fellow of knowing Christianity is polytheism all along. Of course, this was a ruse. Empyree knows fully well that tru2god was simply making a case. No Christian regard the trinity as 3 Gods or polytheism. Empyree: Still, Empyree posts this to hurt or provoke tru2god, knowing fully well that Christians won't take such accusation lightly. He even posts that tru2god & his co-Christians don't want peace. He recount so may other anecdotes & de-contextualized events from the distant past till present to support this. Empyree: |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 3:37pm On Jun 16, 2019 |
Any way, enters tru2god. Who state his distrust in this imam for condemning killing of innocent people but later on declaring polytheism as the greatest crime. Please, note the underlined. tru2god: |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 3:36pm On Jun 16, 2019 |
Empyree's emotional/phycological manipulation: Case study Let's go to my thread on Sharia laws breaching Human rights, page 2 - https://www.nairaland.com/5144263/25-sharia-laws-breaching-human/2#77992885 It starts with Empyree uploading a video, where an Imam condemn Sri Lanka shooting. I could not for my life understand the relevance to my thread. As usual, I ignored Empyree's post - Empyree: |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: 10 Sharia Laws Retarding Scientific Growth by usermane(m): 2:15pm On Jun 16, 2019 |
How Not Leaving or Not Entering areas with Disease Outbreak detract from scientific growth If there is a disease outbreak in a place. It is safer and better to LEAVE if you've been CONFIRMED negative to the known pathogen. Because if the disease is spread by contaminated food or airborne droplets, remaining in the area will predispose you to the disease. Also, medical experts may need to ENTER areas with disease outbreak to run tests necessary to identify pathogens, understand the disease and develop cures. Especially if this is a rare outbreak, like Ebola. |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: 10 Sharia Laws Retarding Scientific Growth by usermane(m): 2:15pm On Jun 16, 2019 |
10. Do not Leave or Enter an area with Disease Outbreak Sahih al-Bukhari » Book of Medicine: |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Philosophical Questions: Where Did Theism Get It Wrong? by usermane(m): 5:03pm On Jun 12, 2019 |
sino: Thank you. OK, It seem I misunderstood you. I guess what you're saying is that this verse(39:5) implies an orbit the earth runs for a specified term. But I don't see this! The phrase, "all running for a specified term" is referring to the sun, moon, night and day. If you want to refer the phrase to the earth as well, then you'll have to include the heavens - space. This won't make sense. I've not seen any tafsir supporting it either. Besides, "term appointed" is not necessarily implying "orbit". There are two verses where "orbit" is directly mentioned in reference to celestial bodies; 21:33 and 36:40, the earth is never mentioned in any of them. And in both, day and night is mentioned! I would agree it is indeed straight forward, only issue here is your interpretation...At least, it seems 'resting place' wouldn't mean place of prostration, for that does not imply rest or does it?! It could imply a place of prostration if it is taken to be where the sun basically takes a break from the earth horizon. Your last statement here, makes all the above assumptions null! But how? See, the sun's resting place is not necessarily a point, a dead end. It could be a space. For instance, the ancient civilizations like the Sumerians believed this. To them, the sun enters a gate in the west(sunset), and travels through the underworld at night, and emerges through the gates in the east(sunrise). It is not improbable that the resting place for the sun in the Qur'an could be a reference or allusion to the underworld for the sun in the Sumerian religion. Except you do have another narration that states the path of the Sun to rise from the east! I have another narration. Not a classified hadith, but an hadith nonetheless. In The History of Al Tabari: General Introduction from the Creation to the Flood, vol 1, pg 234/235.. - Al Tabari reports a story relayed from the prophet by Ibn Abbas; For the sun and the moon, He created easts and wests (positions to rise and set) on the two sides of the earth and the two rims of heaven, 180 springs in the west of black clay — this is (meant by) God's word: "He found it setting in a muddy spring," 442 meaning by "muddy (hami’ah)” black clay — and 180 springs in the east likewise of black clay, bubbling and boiling like a pot when it boils furiously. He continued. Every day and night, [65] the sun has a new place where it rises and a new place where it sets. The interval between them from beginning to end is longest for the day in summer and shortest in winter. This is (meant by) God's word: "The Lord of the two easts and the Lord of the two wests," The resting place of the sun is between the points of sunset and sunrise. Scholars views are not cast in stone, and are not binding! This is one of your faulty reasoning, I have read the tafsir of the same verse in tafsir Tabari, and there are different opinions, including the one I am presenting here! I have indicated earlier the importance of applying critical thinking in understanding the Qur'an, and the limitations of available knowledge! I gather what you're saying here is that certain verses were revealed before human knowledge advanced enough to fully understand them. And that these verses are to be better understood in future generations as human knowledge expanded. I held this view previously, but gave it away for two reasons. 1. This would mean the early Muslims could not verify some verses of the Qur'an, since human knowledge was not advanced enough to understand these verses in order to verify their accuracy. 2. This would also mean we can never be sure if we fully understand some of these verses. Our understanding today may in fact be wrong and later generation of Muslims with more advanced knowledge will look back and correct our interpretation. As I have indicated earlier, the Qur'an isn't a book of astronomy or geography, and Allah (SWT) calls these celestial bodies and the night and day as signs for those who reflect! Yes, but those are not just signs. Those are also intended to teach man a bit of astronomy. Religion is science + spirituality. The Qur'an defines itself a clarification for everything. I have addressed this above, but the problem with you is that you want to use a single opinion of some scholars to validate your own prejudicial views of the Qur'an, its interpretations and Islam in general! When I first replied you, notice I did not mention anything about scholars or even hadith. I have no doubt that your interpretation of the verse is considerable, but mine is just as considerable, even if not more considerable. And this in itself is a problem with the Qur'an. There should not be the slightest chance that an erroneous view of reality be deducible from the Qur'an, especially among scholars so close to the days of Muhammad. The Qur'an defines itself as a clear book. 1 Like |
| Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 4:17pm On Jun 12, 2019 |
There is another thing, however, that separate Empyree from najib. Something that caused me to realize this fellow can be very toxic to deal with. And that is Emotional/Psychological manipulation. In the past, I've explained that he employs abusive tactics often employed by narcissists, sociopaths and psychopaths. He often intimidates his opponents, he would troll and taunt them, guilt trip them in order to have the last word or laugh. One moment, he's approving them, and the next moment he is demonizing them. And soon enough, he is loling with them again. This is not normal behavior. |
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