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Islam for Muslims / Re: Philosophical Questions: Where Did Theism Get It Wrong? by usermane(m): 1:02pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
Ibn Kathir agrees as well. They both understood this verse to mean Dhul Qarnayn reached the specific place where the sun literally rises, ascends the horizon. As you can read, the people living at this place felt the heat as the sun rose in proximity than when the sun is at its zenith. https://quranx.com/Tafsirs/18.90 1 Like |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Philosophical Questions: Where Did Theism Get It Wrong? by usermane(m): 1:01pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
This re-interpretation bias on the Muslim's part is clear when we return to the interpretation of the scholars of antiquity. Here is what Tafsir Al Jalalayn has on the issue. The commentary is underlined to distinguish from the verse itself; Until, when he reached the rising of the sun, the place where it rises, he found it rising on a folk, namely Negroes, for whom we have not provided against it, that is the sun, any cover, in the way of clothing or roofing, as their land could not support any structures; [u]they had underground tunnels into which they would disappear at the rising of the sun and out of which they would emerge when the sun was at its highest point in the sky. 1 Like |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Philosophical Questions: Where Did Theism Get It Wrong? by usermane(m): 1:00pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
Funny enough some Muslims read further; "he found it rising over a people for whom we have made no cover from her". They say this refer to the midnight sun. And derive a modern interpretation of the entire verse as Dhul Qarnayn travel to North Pole to find the midnight sun. This of course is unconvincing, because there is no sunrise during midnight sun. The sun never leaves the horizon. Whereas, Dhul Qarnayn saw the sun rising in the verse. |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Philosophical Questions: Where Did Theism Get It Wrong? by usermane(m): 12:59pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
Over the years, Muslims & their scholars have offered varying interpretations of this verse. For some, this verse mean Dhul Qarnayn traveled till he reached a place during sunrise. Such interpretation would've been more credible if the verse reads, "So, he followed a way till rising of the sun. He then found .......". "Till rising of the sun" is different from "Till when he reached rising of the sun", the Qur'anic reading. The phrase, "when he reached", leave the apologists in a very precarious position. |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Philosophical Questions: Where Did Theism Get It Wrong? by usermane(m): 12:58pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
3. Dhul Qarnayn traveled till when he reached rising (place) of the sun The Qur'an narration of Dhul Qarnayn have puzzled many for long. Chapter 18v90 report that Dhul Qarnayn traveled till when he reached the rising (place) of the sun. We have not verified that anyone can travel till when they reach such a destination - rising (place) of the sun. |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 12:52pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
support the attrocities on Yemenies and, turn a blind eye to the massacre of the Rohingiyans, sponsor IS and install CIA agents and freemasons as Presidents of a country, while they steal and prepare the world for the coming of the anti-christ. Hmm .... Typical Muslim apologists, always blaming everyone else for Muslim problems. Never willing to shoulder responsibility. Which do you lose sleep over? That some Muslims are oppressed and persecuted or that some human beings are oppressed and persecuted? I mean I'm confused. It didn't seem to matter to you earlier that Nigerians were killed in a riot that sparked from alleged blasphemy against Islam, so why does it matter that people in Burma are victimized by the government. Didn't you defend Wahhabis for their massacres of hundreds of Muslims for shirk in the early last century? Please, be honest and stop discrimination. Oppose all oppressions, not only oppressions against Muslims by non-Muslims. |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 12:52pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
They let Palestinians die like insects everyday This is not entirely true. US has been funding the international aid for Palestinians until last year. Look, there are 1.6 million Palestinians in Israel. I do not seek to absolve US of all blame, but can we be realistic in our judgments? |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 12:51pm On Jun 09, 2019 |
Najib's Chronic Ignorance & Pathological Bias najib: All of these are half-truth that spread among ignorant Muslims by hearsay, rather than rational inquiries. US trained bin Laden, a fighter among the Mujahideen to help the Afghans resist the Soviet invasion. May be the US had selfish reasons for doing so, but I'm sure without their help, Afghanistan won't even stand a chance against the Soviets. Whatever terror bin Laden put his acquired training to, after the war, cannot be blamed on the US. As for the Taliban, they are not on the US list of terrorist organizations. |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Philosophical Questions: Where Did Theism Get It Wrong? by usermane(m): 4:06pm On Jun 08, 2019 |
sino: Salaam. Here are the problems; 1. We have not verified any 'resting place' for the sun. Context is important. Note, 'resting place' here most likely has to do with diurnal cycle than end of the world. 036.037 Also problematic is that these verses do not seem to correlate night and day with earth rotation. For instance, verse 37; "We strip it of the day, and lo they are in darkness." This sounds to you like earth surface rotating from sun light to result in night? 2. Also, using the verb "overtake" for 'night' in verse 40 is problematic since the night is not a physical object, but an occurrence. |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Philosophical Questions: Where Did Theism Get It Wrong? by usermane(m): 3:46pm On Jun 08, 2019 |
budaatum: As far as Qur'an is concerned, it is a self explained book. Ideally, every man is his own interpreter of the Qur'an. No clergy. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Philosophical Questions: Where Did Theism Get It Wrong? by usermane(m): 3:44pm On Jun 08, 2019 |
2. Fever comes from heat of hell The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Fever is from the heat of the (Hell) Fire; so abate fever with water." This is also unverifiable. Fever as we know comes from body response to pyrogens. Water won't help fever patient. That is why we've developed NSAIDs like Asprin or Paracetamol. |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Philosophical Questions: Where Did Theism Get It Wrong? by usermane(m): 3:42pm On Jun 08, 2019 |
Also solar apex can't be revealed for 7th century folks because it was beyond their observation and comprehension. It may just confuse them and cause misinterpretation. Here is how the scholars of Qur'an understood the verse, nothing like solar apex; https://quranx.com/tafsirs/36.38 In ancient times, people didn't understand earth rotation and time zone. They thought all the earth did not see the sun at night, and that the sun goes to its resting place after sunset, outside the physical realm of the universe. It is suspicious that this verse resembles such myths on the sun. |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Philosophical Questions: Where Did Theism Get It Wrong? by usermane(m): 3:42pm On Jun 08, 2019 |
Some Muslims re-interpret limustaqarrin to mean solar apex, & they say this verse is even a scientific miracle. I'm skeptical of that because we cannot overlook the context of this verse - day-night cycle. Solar apex have nothing to do with day and night. Solar apex is a direction the entire the entire solar system, not just the sun, is traveling relative to the fixed stars. Solar apex is not confirmed as the resting place of the sun. It is a direction, rather than a resting place for the sun. |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Philosophical Questions: Where Did Theism Get It Wrong? by usermane(m): 3:41pm On Jun 08, 2019 |
1. The Sun runs to 'resting place/dwelling' for her - Wal shamsu tajri limustaqarri laha (36:38) Reading from Qur'an 36:37 - 40, it is strongly implied that the context of this verse is the diurnal cycle. This sun's resting place at night is supposed to be a sign, but our understanding of the sun thus far confirms no resting place for it. Some Muslim translate the phrase 'limustaqarin haha' to 'the term appointed for it', instead of 'the resting place for it.' This is not convincing translation, because when ever the Qur'an uses 'limustaqarin' for physical object, it implies a physical location. Not a term. |
Islam for Muslims / Re: 10 Sharia Laws Retarding Scientific Growth by usermane(m): 2:40pm On Jun 08, 2019 |
Another thing, burial delay is necessity for postmortem examination which can help in determining cause of death, useful for solving crimes or unraveling the pathology behind deadly diseases. The idea of postmortem exams and autopsy would never even be conceived in a society that strongly insist on immediate burial of corpses. 1 Like |
Islam for Muslims / Re: 10 Sharia Laws Retarding Scientific Growth by usermane(m): 2:39pm On Jun 08, 2019 |
How Quick or Immediate Burial Can Retards Scientific Growth Our modern understanding of human anatomy and physiology heavily owe to cadavers(corpse) studies. Cringy as it sounds, medical universities still rely upon cadaver dissection to educate students - potential health care providers- on how the human body is structured and functions. If all of humanity immediately buried their corpses, how far could we have come on human anatomy and physiology? We'd most likely still rely on the teachings of Aristotle or Galen, and so many illnesses would not be understood to develop their cures. |
Islam for Muslims / Re: 10 Sharia Laws Retarding Scientific Growth by usermane(m): 2:37pm On Jun 08, 2019 |
7. Corpse Should BE Buried QUICKLY Sahih al-Bukhari » Book of Funerals: |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 2:26pm On Jun 08, 2019 |
A scorpion tail belongs to a scorpion. Muhammad does not belong to anyone. He was a public figure and every member of the public have a right to express their opinion about him. Please see my thread on Qur'an and Human Right; https://www.nairaland.com/4789914/quran-human-rights-freedom-equity#72569170 |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 2:23pm On Jun 08, 2019 |
I also support the boycott of Denmark why will they draw the messenger of Allah S.A.W? Did the Muslims ask them? Or do they love the messenger of Allah S.A.W more than us? If you know that when you try to touch a scorpion and it will sting and you go ahead to touch will you blame it? Sorry, but Muhammad was an historical figure, just like Ceaser, Alexander the great. Muslims have no copyright protection over Muhammad. Non-Muslims have every right to draw Muhammad. Non-Muslims are not bound by sharia law, especially in secular countries. Also, see the silly analogy with scorpions he makes here. Nigeria educational system is a failure, it graduate uneducated literates. There is more focus on grades and passing exams than understanding concepts, and that's why we produce graduates that can't think for themselves but rather prefer to live by the thinking of their ancestors. |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 2:23pm On Jun 08, 2019 |
And, No. I'm no fan of beauty peagent, I believe women should not be judged based on their looks. Speaking of looks, that includes hijab or headscarf. I believe women without headscarf and hijab should not be treated with any less respect than women with them. |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 2:22pm On Jun 08, 2019 |
Najib would defend the honor of Muhammad at the cost of human lives najib: So what!? Does that give any Muslim any right to pick melee weapons and start wounding and killing? What nonsense is this? This riot shed so much blood and destroyed so much property, yet what matters to you most is the 'honor' of your prophet? Also, see how he refers to the participants of the beauty peagent as 'unchaste', as if he knows all these women in their private life. I've said it days ago, we have to be careful exposing our females to fanatic Muslims because these Muslims are very sick and perverted minded folks who look down upon at non-hijab wearing women. |
Islam for Muslims / Re: 10 Sharia Laws Retarding Scientific Growth by usermane(m): 5:12pm On Jun 05, 2019 |
tintingz: Oh, I haven't found any info relating blood ties between Khadija and Muhammad. I learnt about his children's death long ago. Quite striking. I don't know how common it was for parents to lose so much of their kids to illnesses or natural death at that time. |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 4:55pm On Jun 05, 2019 |
Jesus will die naturally and be buried by Muslims. What's more interesting is that, Muslims have reserved an empty grave for Jesus beside Muhammad's grave in Medina. I'm trying hard not to laugh here. Because when you read further you find that Muslims have expanded the Medina mosque to incorporate Muhammad's grave and far beyond, to make room for more worshippers. So, if there is an empty grave there, Muslims built concrete over it. Does this make sense? And so Muslim built their temple over the grave of their prophet(s) despite their prophet cursing Jews and Christians for building temples over graves of their prophets. The hypocrisy. https://sunnah.com/muslim/5/26 |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 4:55pm On Jun 05, 2019 |
Jesus will kill all the pigs This reminds me of the hadith on Muhammad ordering the killing of all dogs, or black dogs. Obviously, Jesus isn't killing the pigs for food. So, why kill the pigs? Isn't this animal abuse? Doesn't Islam forbid this? |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 4:54pm On Jun 05, 2019 |
Jesus will rule according to sunnah of Muhammad I don't know how this works. We know that Muhammad's supposed sunnah have not aged well. If Jesus return, it'll be more practical to adopt a new sunnah. Sunnah like banning music and pictures of human/animals are too antiquated to work in our time. Muhammad's supposed sunnah is riddled with flaws and no messiah for mankind will live by it. |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 4:54pm On Jun 05, 2019 |
Jesus on his return will embrace the Muslim ummah. But Christians believe Jesus will join them. Muslims may say, "Christians have gone astray". But this is subjective reasoning. Christians believe Muslims are astray as well. Also, even if Christians are astray, can we really be certain that Muslims have not also gone astray? There are several hadith implying that Muslims will eventually fall astray as Jews and Christians; https://sunnah.com/muslim/47/7 Some Muslims think that they can save themselves by adhering to the 'sunnah of the prophet as understood by the companions'. Still, there is no guarantee in this. Because the prophet is reported to have told his closest companions that he cannot guarantee their fate after his death; Muwatta Malik, Book of Jihad, Hadith 32. |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Mariah Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah): Thread Commentary by usermane(m): 4:53pm On Jun 05, 2019 |
Najib invokes the return of Jesus Let them rejoice it is but a little while that ibn Maryam A.S will come. Next, najib believes in the return of Jesus. Which is fine. I don't believe Qur'an spells this, but to each their own interpretation. Now, what I challenge are the traditional Muslim beliefs concerning the return of Jesus, which obviously najib holds. Some of them includes; |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Philosophical Questions: Where Did Theism Get It Wrong? by usermane(m): 4:34pm On Jun 05, 2019 |
Unfortunately, as Muslims we can be susceptible to 're-interpretation bias' when we find these hadith and verses. It is not enough to mention them without explaining their apparent flaws. Reinterpretation bias is when we reject the straight forward and often traditionally established interpretation of a verse or hadith, in order to derive an interpretation that suit our personal or cultural convictions. I confess I've been guilty of this in the past, but so are most Muslims. Next time, we'll analyze the above verses and hadith in detail to express their apparent faults. |
Islam for Muslims / Re: Philosophical Questions: Where Did Theism Get It Wrong? by usermane(m): 4:33pm On Jun 05, 2019 |
Why the unverified claims in the scriptures? Theism can't explain the presence of unverified claims in the scriptures purported to be the word of infallible God. The Abrahamic religious texts are burdened with these claims. As am posting in Islam For Muslim section, I'll stick to Qur'an and Hadith. I usually don't like critiquing Qur'an verses as Hadith, but I'm afraid I have to be honest here. Here are 6 unverified claims from Qur'an & Hadith; 1. The Sun runs to her 'resting/dwelling place' - Wal shamsu tajri limustaqarri laha (Qur'an 36:38) 2. Fever comes from the heat of hell. Abate it with cold water. (Sahih al-Bukhari » Book of Beginning of Creation) 3. Dhul Qarnayn traveled till when he reached the rising (place) of the sun. (Qur'an 18:90) 4. Summer heat and winter cold is due to breathing of the hell fire. (Sahih al-Bukhari » Book of Times of the Prayers) 5. As for those women whom you fear unfaithfulness; admonish them, and separate from their beds, and strike them. (Qur'an 4:34) 6. Allah descends to the lower heaven in the third part of the night to listen to His servants. ( Sahih Muslim » The Book of Prayer - Travellers) |
Islam for Muslims / Re: 10 Sharia Laws Retarding Scientific Growth by usermane(m): 4:03pm On Jun 05, 2019 |
A valid Muslim argument is that sharia does not mandate or recommend consanguineous marriages, it only permit it. This is true, but consanguineous marriage need to be discouraged. And anything permitted under sharia cannot be discouraged. Especially, if practiced by Muhammad and his companions. This is why in parts of the Muslim world, this kind of marriage remain common and preferable to marrying outside the family, despite scientifically proven risks. 1 Like |
Islam for Muslims / Re: 10 Sharia Laws Retarding Scientific Growth by usermane(m): 4:03pm On Jun 05, 2019 |
In a family, these unexpressed recessive alleles may already be present among most members. Marrying among themselves increases the risk of homozygous recessive genes after fertilization, creating babies with genetic disorders. |
Islam for Muslims / Re: 10 Sharia Laws Retarding Scientific Growth by usermane(m): 4:03pm On Jun 05, 2019 |
How Consanguineous marriage detract from scientific growth Consanguineous marriages prevent the diversification of family genes. This mean that desirable genes may be retained within the family, and this seem good. But there is also the cost of retaining undesirable genes within the family gene pool. The human genome consist of undesirable recessive alleles for genetic disorders like thalassemia or albinism, usually expressed in homozygous recessive gene. The recessive alleles for such disorders may be present in our genes but not expressed due to suppression by the dominant allele in heterozygous gene. |
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