₦airaland Forum

Lord Nicvuitton: Let's seperate facts from fiction.. D igbo civilians were d main casualties of d war, ask wole soyinka, col banjo and many other unbiased yoruba men and they'll tell u it's d truth but let bygone be bygone. I'm an Igbo guy frm Anambra & i want us 2 embrace love, pls my igbo brodas, 4giv and 4get d past, GOD has already consoled igbos. My 9ja delta brodas who lost their loved ones, pls 4give d igbos yorubas, hausa/fulanis & mid beltans that eva killed ur loved ones.. Yorubas, hausa/fulani, mid belt, pls 4give d igbos/9ja deltans that eva killed ur loved ones.. No tribe is superior, we r all humans, we r all brodas, let's nat let d hatred planted years ago by our british colonial mastas continue 2 grow.. If d world hates nigeria, must we also hate ourselves? Let's all cum 2geda & change d face of nairaland, preach oneness, shun tribalism, love and respect our neighbours & speak peace always.. Our real enemies r evil thoughts & evil spirits, nat our fellow humans.. Let's ask ourselves if we'll prefer 2 live alone in this country wit out any oda ethnic group? There is beauty in diversity.. Pls ponder on these and remain blessed my brodas..

Save your preaching for another thread, these people are still bitter about your progress today as they were in 1966. If they can get away with it, they will wipe you away, they believe you are too pompous and arrogant just because of your drive and industrious disposition. They believe you are too fast and will stop at nothing to paint you as a greedy criminal if you try to make more money than them. The will always subvert your ideas, block your suggestions and deflate your energy just because of your surname.

The ground is still not level, learn to walk with caution as the people that killed your father will not hesitate to kill you.

Aigbofa: If you are a Nigerian whether home or abroad and you are not bitter that a country quite capable of being a first world country is one of the poorest, then you are brain dead.

The problem with Nigeria is tribalism, and you are one of the most famous tribalists in this world. Why will you be bitter when you are the source of the problem?. Look in the mirror son

ochukoccna: I believe the op who started this post is deluded
Is it every Nigerian abroad that is embittered about the nation?
Yet coming from an attack dog of the FG [check his pro Ebele background], 1 isn't surprised
Look at Nigeria and tell me how many,even from those in the country] not be bitter
Is it the slight improvement in public electricity supply, the improvement of economic indices on paper [at what cost?] that is fueling optimism
Face it, most Nigerians are optimistic [even as the country's hinges are creaking] because they have no country to run to [and Nigerians are ever optimistic of things changing for good thus their e go better prayers]
Also because they lay their hands on something instead of moping
It isn't because they are not bitter @ Nigeria
Get that into your cranium if you have one

Get your facts right, the bitterness is not even about their genuine concern for the state of affairs in naija, its their frustration that some Nigerians in Nigeria may be living better lives than them.

The problem with Nigeria is our penchant for attacking the truth. Achebe has said the truth and the same enemies of Nigeria are getting uncomfortable about it. The truth will always prevail.

ajileko: Nothing works in this country. Absolutely nothing. It's like whole bunch of animals living in the bush, anything goes.
And please when you travel, please hide your passport.

If anything was working in your brain, then you will stay in Nigeria and survive. Most of the people who leave are cowards. I said 'most'

Godogwu: LOL, I see your point but it's only a fool that will have the opportunity to get gold for free and would rather settle for plastic. What I'm trying to say is my parents know that by having a better quality of education you stand a better chance to survive in Nigeria hence their sending me here. I will always tell people that the only thing the US Can offer me is a better education, nothing else....like c'mon the majority of the top 400 universities in the world are in the US...aside that, I have no business here. Two more years and I'm done with the place.

WHEN ARE YOU COMING BACK TO SETTLE IN NAIJA?

Nigerians in the diaspora are so unreal.

Chinua Achebe is a god to the yoruba race. Everything he says should be taken as their gospel.

This thing called Nigeria is the biggest mistake made in this world since Titanic, the country should please sink!

Bliss4Lyfe: It's time to revisit the Biafran Genocide and perpetuators persecuted for crimes against humanity. Compensation a must. Awolowo is now dead and buried, justice for Biafran victim is the anthem.

This is totally unnecessary, justice is happening now, in case you cannot see it, check out what the ibo people has won in peace times than in war times. I think the west and north won the war and lost the peace.

Andro Blaze: This is why I hate idolising that generation of Africans, the saboteurs who brought us to where we are now. What I hate so much about that generation is how hypocritical they were, most of them wouldn't admit they were tribal supremacists and practically all of them were. What I still can't get is that, in my opinion they had less reason to be tribalist than we do.

I can't express how disappointed I am with him after reading that biased garbage.

You!

Yes, you. What have you done in your life to think you are better that those historical names?

pazienza: Why is yorubaland and northern nigeria poverty stricken 42yrs after winning the war and ruling one nigeria,why is the supposedly conquered people/region fairing better?

Maybe the answer to this question would help us to understand why one nigeria have been a failure.

Because they chose to ignore the truths, and now it is biting them in the butts ask Danjuma and Gowon.

Rossikk: How are things worse now than pre Biafra?

Sorry I don't accept that urban myth.

In Pre-Biafra Nigeria, the sign that one had 'arrived' was ownership of a brand new bicycle, most Nigerians walked around barefoot and in rags, illiteracy rate stood at 92% courtesy of 70 years of British misrule. (27% today), and infant mortality rate was 259 per 1000 (88 per 1000 today). So spare us the nostalgia for the (imaginary) good ol' days of Pre-Biafra.

1) Now people kidnap monarchs just for the fun of it
2) people bomb churches and schools to prove a point
3) the leadership is much more confused
4) educated folks are most stupvid and are bigots
5) your daughters turn to ashewo just to secure a degree
6) 419 is accepted as a legitimate business
7) hemp smoking is no longer a serious matter in teenage kids
if you dont cheat, you are a fuul
9) the political class is made up of thugs and criminals
10) the church and mosque is used as a major source of lies, bitterness and misinformation

Except of course you are benefiting from the malaise called 'one naijiria'

Dede1: It is laughable to read the craps you post on this forum. I had waited for long time to read a post from you where the delegates of so-called National Conciliation Committee (Committee) led by Awolowo visited Gowon in Kaduna, no my bad I meant to write Lagos. Gowon made home and command post in western region yet Awolowo was busy fooling himself about National Conciliation Committee. Again, easterners were no fools.

......and Gowon was sitting his dry azz at (wait for it) dodan barracks?

Katsumoto: This guy is a comedian.

a) by choosing to remain in the East, legally they would have lost their investments in other regions??

b) So they couldn't make business trips if Nigeria had 4 confederations?

If I don't respond to any of your posts, don't think its because you are making good points.

Please, stop responding, your responses are starting to sound like gibberish, do you understand yourself at all? because I am looking for a toddler to show your drivel, they are the only people who can understand your kindergarten reasoning.

Katsumoto: Stop debating like a ninny.

You were insinuating that Ojukwu was a genius because he saw issues with the unitary system which exists in Nigeria today. And I corrected you by telling you that Ojukwu was there when his kinsman destroyed confederationism and gave Nigeria a unitary system. Rather than Ojukwu pointing out the issues with decree 34, he saw the opportunity presented by decree 34 and declared publicly his support for decree 34 by stating that the Igbo would export civil servants to other parts of Nigeria. Think for a minute

I think you are the one that needs to close your eyes for a minute and think.......
My premise of calling Ojukwu a genius was on his foresight to have seen that this whole contraption will not work, not on decree 34. And I was telling you that events of the aftermath of the war, and the issues till day present still suggests the west backed the wrong horse. That was my point. Now, what has this got to do with the price of g****[s][/s] decree 34

So, is there any other reason why we should not believe the verdict of the Prof, that Awolowo was a power hungry, over ambitious bigot?

Katsumoto: And secession guaranteed
a) their investments were safe?
b) ensured that they could travel freely through Nigeria?

Stop throwing stones because they are being returned to you.

a) The new Biafran govt. can legally do something about their investments in a govt vs govt negotiation process
b) What can stop citizens of a new nation from traveling to their neighboring country on business trips?

Katsumoto: I know more about the army than you would know in 100 lifetimes.

If Ekpo, Katsina, and Gowon, who were all junior to Ironsi, could advise against decree 34 and removing hausa as a testing language in the North, then why couldn't Ojukwu? Did Ironsi kill Ekpo, Katsina, and Gowon?

BTW, you tried to dodge the questions I posed to you with regards to Ojukwu being a genius.

Supposing, just supposing Ojukwu suggested and Ironsi refused, (like he refused Madiebo's advice) then what? Ojukwu will slap him?

Ojukwu will always be a world class genius irrespective of you wishing it away. It is already carved in stone and you are impotent about that fact.

Katsumoto: Quit being an annoying pedant. You were expecting a Northerner to go to Enugu? ? ? If Ojukwu couldn't go to Lagos, let alone Kano/Kaduna, why are you expecting a Northerner to go to Enugu? Please use your brain.

Then, which idiott called it NATIONAL....

Katsumoto: Ojukwu went to war because Gowon refused to implement the only provision from Aburi which would removed the power to appoint the Eastern governor from the head of state. Basically, Gowon wouldn't have been able to replace Ojukwu and Ojukwu knew that as soon as agreements are in place, he would have been replaced.

Did the East need to secede to safeguard Eastern lives? They just needed to remain in their region. The war wasn't prosecuted to rescue Easterners that were trapped outside the East.

You are going crazy sloooowly........
If not, you would have seen that secession was a better alternative that pinning the ibos back home, a people popular for their travel and enterprise and doing exploits in other lands. Their life may be safe in the east, but did they need to be imprisoned at home? What about their investments outside? I said you are shallow and you are proving me right.

Katsumoto: What is wrong with this one? What are you talking about? Please make your point intelligently, if you are possible of such, or sod off.

Of what relevance is 8 months to the month I made?

Katsina, Ekpo, and Gowon were senior officers to Ironsi? ? ? You can respectfully put your objections to your boss. Its like saying a CEO doesn't receive advise from his subordinates.

I dont think you know anything about the army as to compare it to a civil setting with CEO and subordinates. What happened to Diya when he tried to advice Abacha?

Katsumoto: So Ojukwu was a genius because he wanted to secede, whether rightly or wrongly, in 1967 after the pogroms in 1966!!!!!

But was he a genius when he stated openly that the Igbo would export civil servants to the rest of Nigeria after Ironsi promulgated decree 34, 'blessing' Nigeria with a unitary system of government and after Ironsi simultaneously cancelled tests in Hausa to give Igbo civil servants an advantage?

Why did Ojukwu not caution Ironsi against that like Gowon, Ekpo, and Katsina did? Why didn't Ojukwu say, 'my General, this unitary system of government will lead to chaos'? But no, they all saw the opportunities in front of them after benefiting from a coup executed by Igbo sons.

If you are not a compound fuul, you would have known that 8 months was a very short time in the then world of no telecomms and limited literacy to reach such agreements with the people.

And telling Ojukwu to caution Ironsi, his superior officer shows how shallow you are.

ACM10: Pls can you provide evidence for your first and second assertion? I'm waiting . . .

You should not bother yourself, no such thing happened. Awolowo supported the split and promised Zik to do same with the west, but turned back and betrayed the east, that was the version I heard.

Aigbofa: Silly army boys happenened to be mainly ibos, and all ibo leaders happened to escape without a scratch.

Fine, go after the silly army boys and kill them, or kill the ibo leaders in retaliation, what has the eleven year old girl rapped done to deserve her fate, maybe she shot the sarduana?

OH! REASON, WHERE ART THOU?

dayokanu: One of the jokes I have heard is that your enemy at war should care about your feeding

If not for your senility which is now common knowledge, I would have schooled you on the point that the Biafra was fighting a war of survival only, and never considered the Nigerians 'enemies' in the real sense of it. The fact that you called them enemies for asking to be left alone sums up the hopeless contraption called Nigeria.

asha 80: not interested in being in the army let alone being a general.your statement here does not controvert the fact that nigeria is in a big mess and all the noise about break nigeria,restructure nigeria bla bla bla would never happen until someone who has balls can enforce any of the two or the whole citizens of the country would continue to wait for eternity for a great crises in the mold of pre-67 or june 12 to happen.

It will surely happen, only that ibo people should stand aside and look, this time around the yoruba should tackle the hausa. If they are not interested, then we are not either, afterall ibo people are doing great in their world.

[quote author=reporter?]Only a fool will embark on a war and expects to be fed by his enemy. I do not expect Achebe to apportion blame to Ojukwu and his incompetent
generals since he was an ambassador for Biafra.

The truth is that Ojukwu was hell bent on going to war, there was nothing anyone could do to dissuade him.
Awolowo warned him against going to war, but he was filled with too much testerone to listen to the old sage.

Why Biafrans cannot comprehend this simple fact is beyone me.[/quote]Now consider this...........

Ojukwu was hell bent for going to war, after seeing women rapped, small girls abused, whole populations killed, travelers beheaded, old men slaughtered, just because of the stupid army boys that killed a few northern leaders.

Now, Look at yourself in the mirror and tell yourself that you will not fight to remove your people from such blood sucking vampires? and if you truly think you will not fight a war about this, then you have no soul.

shymexx: You can never be a 5-star general... Ojukwu was wrong to go to war ill-prepared an without due consultation with the other "neutral" stakeholders(ethnic groups/tribes) in the South...

Art of War by Sun Tzu

- The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.

- The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand.
(Something Ojukwu never did)...


I'm out...

Ojukwu was a genius, I mean, how else can you describe forsight, what he saw 45 years ago (that we can never be one nation) is still as correct today as it was since 1914 mistake. We only pulled him back because of our tribal hatred, not because his cause lacked merit. But we shall all suffer the consequences of the mistake by Awolowo and co, who were busy licking the yansh of hausa people. In the end, its the wider Nigerians that are paying for that stupidvity and not even the ibo people.

Aigbofa: I am sure you don't consider this a statemnt of fact:

It is my impression that Awolowo was driven by an overriding ambition for power, for himself and for his Yoruba people. There is, on the surface at least, nothing wrong with those aspirations. However, Awolowo saw the dominant Igbos at the time as the obstacles to that goal, and when the opportunity arose – the Nigeria-Biafra war

It is my impression that Achebe was out to slander Awo just like any ibo spare part dealer. Objectivity and facts be damned.

The man was diplomatically stating what he felt/feels and there is nothing slanderous in that. He provided reasons to substantiate his claims. Those spare parts dealers you are so trying to insult are much better than you, but your bigotry may have clouded your reasoning.

T9ksy: That my dear, is your own bloody opinion but fortunately we yorubas don't give a rat's arse about what

you or any other ibo thinks of Awo. Your opinion of Awo is inconsequential to us.

Honestly, I think you do, you wouldn't be sweating and swearing like drunken sailors trying to save the guys skin since morning if you don't care to launder the image of your choice ancestor.