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galeiiTNA:
Who told you 5% means Igbo alone


Congrats to 5%. 2 sons made the top 5 on the list

He is a northerner from Kaduna.

UmuEri:
must you disturb the peace of other people with those pics? Or are you programmed?

That thing is obviously a badly programmed bot.
Is there any human you know who operates like that.

TruthisGOD:
Listen, I don't know when you started listening to his sermon but I can bet you didn't start before me. You don't even know the qualities of a good leader. NK has it all, since he can attract millions of people to him, that is no small feat me friend. Even Bishop Kukah attested to that. None of Nigeria leaders today can accomplish such feat. Just be realistic, NK commands respect and FG knows. Try yours like see how far you can attract people to you

No more Kanu talk from me. Just advise that guy to quit dancing on a dead man's grave.
It is neither cool nor smart.
If he is ranting on a different topic, you wont hear pim from me and I am sure all the other Igbo guys advising him.

TruthisGOD:
May I ask you whom do think is your Igbo leader that has your interest? That is willing to sacrifice his life for a cause? Is it these your political job hustlers? My friend swerve!

If there is any Igbo person willing to sacrifice his life for igbo cause, that person definitely not Nnnamdi Kanu. If you have any proof to support your claim, tender it.
See, I started listening to RB long before most of you guys and if you were listening to him earlier and you are objective enough you will understand that he is a man that is nothing close to most people believe he is today.
I wont start going into details because it will appear as if I also support that he is being detained illegally or some empty brained non Igbo bigots will start dancing here that Igbo people are on self destruct and it wont lend any help to the message I am trying to pass. It is simply the cluelessness of FG that shot him to the fame he is enjoying today.
But lemme remind you that there is a reason it is said that "Igbo anaghi enwe eze".
Ikemba did not take his position by himself and from nowhere make himself a "Director".
Eastern paliament actually sat and gave him that position to lead the Igbos to fight the killings across the country and after the war even with all respect his name command in Igbo land no one still regarded him as a leader. This is a man Kanu cannot untie his sandals.

Whenever people take positions on their own and start asking for "facilities" to enable them to their job, ol boy, if you are trully a full bred nwafo you should know better.
Abeg make we end that talk for here.

BenBruce4Presdt:
Are you serious!

Stop your this nonsense ..
You think people just make decisions without reasons..

I don't care about your sentiments and I certainly don't care about any other individual or tribes' position about Igbos..

Please, Igbos aren't expecting sympathy from anyone or group in Nigeria..

This tribal cards has long been played on Igbos and until recently we started turning and toying with the same card which they have used in colonizing all govt institutions to their favor and to our detriment..

I refuse to play this cowardly game you are proposing and must at all times tell those who secretly sees me as their enemy of their intentions to avoid surprises..

The only problem here is me playing the same tribal card they have always flashed at me..

From your write up, it's obvious you are very young or you are yet to truly deepen your association with all these wicked people or best, you are one of them pretending as usual to score cheaply..

I don't need to stress myself telling you things about myself, reason I wear this tribal card close to my chest..

Please, it's not my intention to interfere with your beliefs and I advise you quit trying to be reasonable with me on issues of bigotry and tribalism as it relates to Nigeria scene..

People like you could mull over your pains and shake hands with your oppressors.. But the oppressor should never think everyone was gonna end his tyranny with the shake of hands which (cowardice) is the difference between you and I..
I respect your views but, I promise you that this country has been cooking dangerously and it will sooner or later boil out..

On Nnamdi Kanu, I'm surprised at the unwarranted mention.. What's his business here?

if you are not the miscreant, I don't see reason why you should on a faceless forum tag someone who could feed your entire village a miscreant..

Before you take this dance of shame too far digest the information below..

You should get a life... If I say you expect sympathy from others, that can NEVER translate to the whole of Igbo people expecting sympathy.
It is YOU I am talking about and you or any other single individual is nothing when Igbo nation is being discussed because it is something bigger than any single person.
Now when you take what non Igbo bigots spew on newspapers or what few of them do in government as their tribe's position then I can only say dp you blame them? I say that because somebody will come here and read your senseless utterances on a topic eulogizing a dead man and draw his conclusion that IGBOS are so callous because IGBO PEOPLE are desecreating a dead heroic soldiers memory.
They will be fools to draw such conclusions but so are you.
Like I said earlier I believe their is a systemic marginalization of Igbos and there are countless proofs to support that but still it is not something other families go to their families and plan how to execute. It is ridiculous to even think that is possible.
Is just like in US where I believe there is a systemic racism but do that stop black and white people from inter marrying? Did that system prevent a black president when its time wqs due?
Guy, people have more serious problems bothering them in their households to waste on planning how to hate somebody from another tribe. Only people who actually do that are people who earn their living from doing it.
Now on Kanu and Biafra, you and some of your fellow bigots brought it up and I really needed say my position on that.

BenBruce4Presdt:
Forget this old rants..

Why don't you also say, because Igbos own the world they should continue to enjoy the rotten egg being fed to them by this dead nation..

I don't have anything personal with the dead soldier , the same way I don't give a hutt that he died...

Nigeria Army is also guilty of atrocious acts against me and he is a member of NA..
Anything that made them die is of no concern to me..
You all cheered them when the killed innocent protesters just because they were Igbos and expect me to understand one Nigeria simply because you all over the years think Igbos are fools..

He died, he died.. I don't bloody care!

Note; Pls suck-up ur sermon of what Igbos stand to loose if the contraption contracts completely..
Igbos have lost much more being here..

NOTHING CAN BE COMPARED.. NOTHING!!!

If you expect sympathy from people who hurt you by dancing on the grave of their dead comrade then you will only get more hatred.
This is not what Igbo is or stand for.
It is miscreants and mildly learned Igbo folks like you that pass half truths, mere conjectures and lies about other tribes to illiterate ones back home and the hate keep growing. The soldiers that killed Ipob guys can also kill their mothers if they are instructed to do so so the blame goes to whoever gives the orders and certainly that is not this dead lt. Colonel.
In our villages in Igboland no one will allow you to intimidate an Hausa or Yoruba man because he is not Igbo. Likewise while serving in Nasarawa State, a village leader almost ostracized a thug for ganging up with his friends for during to come to my residence at night to threaten me. Things are not just black or white as you guys paint it in Nigeria.
Sure there is hatred from across tribes but only few unlettered and less traveled guys practice it.
It is only here in nairaland that jobless bigots from across Nigeria sees enough privacy to air their bigotry.
The OP (if that is him in military attires) himself looks like an Igbo folk and that will tell you alot of things and assuming the Lt. Col is still alive and you say all this your nonsense in his face, he wont mind shooting you because friendship comes first before tribe or race.

Is there a systemic marginalization of Igbos in Nigerian Government? I believe so.
Is biafra the solution? I dont believe so. Why?

Biafra experience wont be different from the current Nigeria experience because nepotism, tribalism (yea!) and corruption will not just vanish because of re-demarcation of borders and someone will start feeding someone else with the same rotten egg you just complained about.

Is Nnamdi kanu an Igbo leader? Hell No!!!!

DropShot:
Thank God for Buhari.

The modest success we've recorded in the fight against corruption is an indication of bigger success we could have had if the Judiciary, legislature and other other sectors of the economy support this genuine man.

Unfortunately, we have the usual suspects to always cry of witch hunt and rule of law each time a criminal is being dealt with. They will support anyone and anything having corruption hanging on their neck.

The lost tribe of Yisreal they are.

Except if it is Amaechi, Buaratai, Sylva, Tinubu or Fasola.
In these cases you will be the one shouting witch hunt. How funny.

Sibrah:
What has been recovered is different from recovered loots that has been cleared for spending . . . . Did you know this before making you statement?

its you who is not reasoning properly because fg claimed they recovered loots. Not seized or investigating so where does your "clearing" grammar come from? People whose "loots" are being contested in the courts are public knowledge.
So is your "clearing" word from FG? If the fg used that word please show us where.
While you are it you should also tell us if they also clearing TSA, Abacha loot etc because that could be d only reason why they arr planning what they are planning.

Sibrah:
To do what jonathan did with the debt he left us . . .



Please tell me, Was there no Abacha loot when Jonathan .

but even today the abacha loot is still coming and we are still selling crude though cheaper.
Now when you add the trillions recovered from looters plus TSA recovery, how on earth can you explain more borrowing that surpasses anything jonathan and his predecessors altogether ever borrowed?
Did you consider all these things before making your statement.

guru01:
How do you mean?

I mean like another example where I will win hands down. I think I won this one with just a slight margin and I didnt feel so good about it...

guru01:
Wetin they worry this flat head botti, how can it do me strong thing buy posting an ordinary link.
Seun pls teach your botti how to be intelligent.

Here is the web link jare. https://jsfiddle.net/jguru/d7qu2zc4/18/

14 lines is pretty impressive.

Meanwhile, I would have thought the botti should be cone-headed since

Ok, back to angular/jquery can we do one more examples ie take it up a notch?

dhtml18:
Una still dey fight for here? elsewhere, people are sharing Nigerian LOOT.

I been think say u wan see code. Code don come ooo.

But joke aside, do you still think I dont know what I am saying?

Olumyco:
Ok that's good.... I got the message and thanks

Both do DOM Manipulation but differently with different aim and the result and the behaviour on the view is quite different too...

Well I can say I have problem with the statement 'the pry function of Angular is DOM Manipulation.... which to me looks somehow'...
And the issue of jquery and angular actually made to want to separate concerns based on purpose.

Well with this having got the idea, to me it's not all the time that data binding result to DOM Manipulation especially when view change will lead to Model change or when u r doing filtering and other stuffs.... so to me I don't think it is right to say the pry function of Angular is DOM Manipulation.... and if Angular does all types of DOM Manipulation in the name of its pry function then there wouldn't av been need for jqlite or for someone to still be using jquery with other MV* frameworks...

Thanks....

Please attempt to quote me correctly and then after that I dont think your admissions and are clear enough.
You should make it clear that you previously got the understanding of what DOM manipulation is wrongly.
You posted more than 5 links to prove it and some of your posts are still up here.
Now as for jqlite, it is for people who wants to use jquery with angular. I dont see what that has got to do with definition of DOM manipulation.

jidez007:
The guy na learner jare. I will just advise him to take his time, I was also like that some years ago when I started.

LOL.
Shebi you see how I conveniently chose to ignore all your misyarns.
Kontinuu!

guru01:
That fiddle can be written in jq.

Agreed. Completely!
Then do it in 10 lines with the html in 9.

Olumyco:
Well d way I see what's happening there might be different from urs so no problem and if I av offended u accept my apology....

Shalom

P.S
Even though i neednt click on the links you sent, I still did.
You are not making a lot of sense here and i mean it in a most repectful manner. I think your understanding of DOM manipulation is completely warped.
Whether you did data binding like in angular or you called an element selector like in jquery to alter the DOM it remains DOM manipulation.
Lets say you binded the class of a <p> element to an input box ng-model and typing something like "true" for example inside the input box alters the class of the <p> element, please tell me, what did you just achieve. Again , what is the result of ng-repeat within the <ol> in the fiddle example i posted earlier called? Arent they all DOM manipulation?

I dont even know how to follow this your argument sef.

dhtml18:
Even if you explain sef, i no go fit understand, recession don catch up with me. Even my laptop screen don dim - recession don catch am.

If recession do you wetin e de do me you no go even get anything wey dem de call laptop

dhtml18:
Ahan, e be like say we wan start war for this thread, FYI, i no sabi how to code o - my coding skills are DEPRECATED. In short, I am no better than SEUN-THOMAS at the moment, the only thing I can run is my mouth.

@vancaid, make i talk true, i no even fit understand this your JS fiddle.

Na waa oo.. lol

why naa?
Abi make I explain am?

jidez007:
Thank you my brother!

Data binding ooo, directives oo, dependency injection oooo... all ends up with dependency injection

Simples!

Sorry, I meant it all ends up with DOM manipulation.

dhtml18:
Nay, i beg to differ, only one person seems to know what he is talking about on this thread (not me mind you). I don't like getting too involved on these matters - i prefer talking with codes.

LOL.. Please I would like to know hwere you think I do not know what I am talking about. We are all here to learn.
Meanwhile I completely understand why you say what you say and I decided to come up with a simple code that displays posts returned from a remote rest call.
You can also search the posts with live results all accomplished with just few lines of html and js.
My html is 9 lines while angularjs is 10. This is one of the most basic angularjs demo and when we take it up a step further one can see many reasons why dont start comparing the two mainly because they are not built alike. These lines can be even reduced to like 6 if i wasnt looking for legibility.
Note that you can still do the same thing with jquery BUT I challenge anyone to come up with this same page with just 10 lines of jquery code. If need be, I will aslo demonstrate some part of angular functionality which will prove near impossibility in jquery. We can take it up a notch as this progresses. Lets spice up this board a bit!
The link is here: https://jsfiddle.net/5n2jxwyz/2/


Meanwhile my aim of posting the code is because I am sure many people are following and someone who (like me a few months ago) doesnt want to get caught up in the madness of JavaScript frameworks and libraries might find a reason why he will port a project to angular.

I did so myself and even though not all projects are meant for js frameworks, many are exactly what they should be built on.

guru01:
Whether they call it data binding, it still boils down to Dom manipulation.
Thank you my brother!

Data binding ooo, directives oo, dependency injection oooo... all ends up with dependency injection.

Simples!!

Thank you my brother!

Data binding ooo, directives oo, dependency injection oooo... all ends up with dependency injection.

Simples!!

Olumyco:
@ Vankaid U could have attempted the questions.....

We are here to learn and it is a fact that jquery does DOM Manipulation and Angular does Data binding and by extension DOM Manipulation thru jqlite.

U could check out these sites.... It will help U

https://www.sitepoint.com/top-javascript-frameworks-libraries-tools-use/

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-key-differences-between-jQuery-and-AngularJS

http://alexbachuk.com/difference-jquery-angular-js/

http://engineering.paiza.io/entry/2015/03/12/145216

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3934826/what-do-people-mean-by-dom-manipulation-and-how-would-i-do-that

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_binding

Why will I be attempting your question when you are suposed to be defending your view point.
You dont explain your position by throwing five questions on matter you are supposedly explaining to the other party.
The burden of clearing or explaining anything here is on you unless the question is for a statement I made myself.
I didnt expect it will be easier to send me links than explain what you mean by the things you submitted.
If the links can "help" me why not start by explaining them yourself.

Olumyco:
5. What Is the difference btw this codes:

i. <p> Hi </p>

ii. <p id='p'></p>

(function() {
document.querySelector('#p').innerHTML = 'Hi';
})();

Ok you added one more important item to your question.
Please tell me the difference between the two markups and relevance of your answer to the argument you are making.

Olumyco:
Guy I think it is the nomenclature that is the problem.... but U can do ur research very well, DOM Manipulation has its own niche in Web programming and many here knows how it works..... View change and Model change is not DOM Manipulation.... go and get this right..

We don't need to argue just answer the following questions... We are all here to learn, probably U will get me or I get U....

1. What is the work of jqlite library in Angular Framework?
2. What is the meaning of MV architecture of Angular and how is it related to DOM Manipulation since U said the primary function of Angular is DOM Manipulation?
3. What is the difference between a DOM driven app and a Data driven app?
4. Some frameworks like backbone, Vue etc are strictly data binding frameworks so tell me how I can hide, show, slide in, slide out, create an element, add css, animate an element with these frameworks?

Na waa ooo... I dont even know where to start.
Can we even start from finding out what DOM is? then DOM manipulation before anything else.
Your angle of debate left me completely short of words.

To help to redirect, lets both see this link: https://css-tricks.com/dom/
It breaks this issue of DOM down to a kindergarten level. Maybe after going through it you might have more to say to me.
Phew!!!

jidez007:
I still prefer having jquery in my project, due to it's numerous plugins and it is still used in most templates.

I really liked Angularjs, but drop it on a page with jquery and all the jquery plugins stops working, except you write custom directives to reimpliment them. As if jquery and angularjs on a page is not bloated enough.

Backbonejs is really light and works well with jquery, but you need to write more code to accomplish something Angular does easily.

As a Laravel person I had to take a look at Vuejs and I really liked it, it's somewhat between Angular and Backbone. If you are building a SPA with it and still concerned about SEO and old browsers, then you can setup Server-Side Rendering with nodejs for that http://vuejs.org/guide/ssr.html how cool is that?

So, currently I will be sticking with Vuejs + JQuery.

Angular was not built to just be dropped on a page with jquery or page with anything
Its a framework!
You dont finish your mark up and then factor angular into it, you plan your application on angular first and then you start your markups.

asalimpo:
You withdraw your comment so as not to "hurt anyone's feelings", what about those who'll then get upset with you for withdrawing your comment?

You are better off sticking with your conviction -within boundaries of civility.

That person might perhaps be smart enough to also read the veiled meaning in this:

That however does bot change the essence of the information I am passing there.

See, I know nairaland well enough to understand how easily people can get offended for nothing. Even with all the sugarcoating someone is already throwing punches and I simply have no time for that now.
Admittedly as true as it might be? "JQuery is weak" is a little bit in the extreme and it sounded as something that is lifted off the original post of this thread.
So bro, my convictions are where they were but I dont have to get into a physical or verbal fights to pass them along; afterall I no even see trophy wey we de drag for this oyibo business sef.

Olumyco:
jquery and Angular are two different thing especially based on the purpose for which they were developed. jquery is a library "mainly" for DOM Manipulation. Angular is a framework mainly for Data Binding. Pls note i used the word "mainly".

DOM Manipulation and Data Binding are two different thing in web programming.

Anyway as Google would have it, is like they want their framework to be able to do all things that concerns front end development. At the beginning of the development of Angular it was mainly for Data binding but today Google has gone ahead to include jqlite a library for DOM Manipulation to be part of Angular Framework. So today Angular can do almost what jquery will do. To me I see it as expansion of framework and the eyeopener in the area of DOM Manipulation still remain jquery. I know if jquery wants to compete with these new frameworks... then jquery team can go ahead and build their framework that will perform Data binding. So it a function of purpose... but jquery might not want to loose focus and it is the Boss of DOM manipulation in web programming.

I can see many of the Data binding frameworks are now including DOM Manipulation library into their frameworks.
Like React too has added React DOM to React for DOM Manipulation. Framework 7 a Mobile Application Framework too comes with is own DOM Manipulation called DOM 7 (though it is embedded into the framework).
Infact in terms of addition of many things to avoid external usage... Facebook React is the ring leader. Facebook ensured that React is used for anything development on the client side.... its only server side they are yet to touch.... imagine this

React Ecosystem
*React = Data Binding
*React DOM = DOM Manipulation
*React Native = Mobile Application Framework
*JSX = Client Side Template Engine

So in all if we really want to do any comparison based on strength we can simply compare based on what they do mainly...

Like for DOM Manipulation - jquery, prototype, mootools, Dojo, yui, modernizr etc

For Data Binding - Angular, React, Backbone, Ember, Knockout, Vue, Aurelia etc

There is still Mobile Application Frameworks to,template engine etc but as of today React is the most robust of them all..

To me with the invasion of these Data binding frameworks especially the ones have added DOM Manipulation into their frameworks, the lives of other strictly DOM Manipulation libraries are at stake - jquery in particular...

But I want to say that no matter how powerful that Data binding framework may be... it cannot and can never be a substitute for DOM Manipulation.

I completely disagree with you. I dont really know what your definition of DOM manipulation is but Angular and infact all the new frameworks primary function is focused on DOM manipulation.
Infact its all about DOM manipulation!
Data binding is simply a route to DOM manipulation.
Data binding, directives and all the functionalities are all activities that end up with DOM manipulation so I find it difficult to even follow your submissions.

dhtml18:
And I am sorry, all the stuffs you have said above have still not proven why jQuery is weak.

My "jquery is weak" statement which turns out to be the focus cricticism is for a comparism with frameworks earlier made by guru01.
I was specifically comparing it with jquery which he specifically said are all doing the same thing. Which I was trying to disprove.
However, in my most recent post I also made it clear JQuery is a life saver when it didnt have newer stuffs competing with it.
If the offense being taken here is the weak statement, I withdraw it so as not to hurt the feelings of anyone who might believe I am trying to look down on his favourite tool. That however does bot change the essence of the information I am passing there.

guru01:
When you say jquery is weak can you point out the weak spot.
Jq

First of all I am not trying to talk down jquery or its users because I am (or was) a user. JQuery makes your life very easy if you were previously working with native javascript and html alone.
Now a new stuff like Angular (which is the only one I care about for now) takes it up a notch.
Architecturally you dont even begin to compare the two because while JQuery is a library, Angular is a framework. Therein lies the huge difference. While the makers of JQuery gave us some magic when we were helpless with just native javascript, the guys from google brought something that not only makes html smarter but practically lets you make your own html on the fly.
While DOM manipulation in jquery for e.g is cool but done with lots of spaghetti codes, with angular however, DOM manipulation is registered in the DOM itself. The functions are tied to html through html attributes and so for DOM manipulations u dont have to query it via selectors like you do with jquery and the result is a faster and cleaner application.
MVC framework, Data binding feature and Custom Directives lets you manufacture your own reusable codes due to the fact that you are not limited with what html and its attributes offer you. There are other things like routing for single page apps, templating MVC...
My brother the difference is just too much and I am not saying all these as an authority in anything but from an experience after I attempted building a mobile app with Jquery mobile and later somehow landing myself in angular. I have never looked back after just watching a 55 minute video tutorial.
Anything you can do with jquery, you can also do smarter and with faster result with angular and then theres so much more you can do with angular.

P.S: I am not an expert in angular. Heck I am still a learner and they and they already have angular2.

spikesC:
Your post is too hostile so I don't think you're actually open to a mature conversation. I think I'll just pass on it.

On a friendly note, becareful on how easily aggressive you get as words, mostly online, often misinterpret emotions

hmmm!

SeunLanLege:
You haven't used c++ or Java, or have you?
Javascript actually makes things simpler by going with functional programming and not object oriented.

Newer frameworks like angular2 are basically OOP

spikesC:
Are you sure you know what your tools are for?

I am not here for knowledge show off nor do I have any plans for arguments like you guys do here all the time so if anything in my post didnt make sense why not point it out.

Highlighting words doesn't do that job.