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HellVictorinho:
Nature shouldn't be praised!!!!
And you shouldn't blame Man entirely for certain things,considering the fact that he is "An Outburst of Nature".
As a matter of fact,Nature should blame itself for anything that happens naturally-including Human Behavior-and if the event is super-natural,Super-Nature should be 'bleeped'.
We have a lot to learn indeed but whatever we learn must be beneficial/made to be beneficial.

Nature doesn't just mean trees and plants. The definition of nature is, the phenomena of the physical world collectively. Humans are a product of nature. So even if we killed everything else. Nature would still live in us. How should nature be bleeped when we are part of what is called nature.

It is clear from observations that the goal of what we called nature is to make creatures that thrive as best as possible. That is the only result of evolution and adaptation, to see which species adapt and thrive. Those that do, grow. Those that don't, die away. It is an eternal competition of survival of the fittest. We are just the "fittest" when it comes to survival. Under the rules of nature, we should actually be killing off all animals that are incapable of surviving. And that is all what we been doing....

gensteejay:
[quotei ]think you're looking at this issue through the lens of religion. Science will do that and more.

i think i am being honest and rational about the topic.

You only need to stay abreast with current progress and research made by scientists in molecular biology, robotics, stem cell transplant, organ transplant, 3D organ replication and printing.

The possibilities of science in the new age are limitless. In the 20th and 21st centuries, surgeons have been able to transplant virtually every organ in the body, including brain, heart, lungs, etc.

And radical scientists have done a lot of research on techniques for head transplant and have conducted tests on dogs. Vladimir Demikhov, a Russian scientist, is one of such doctors who conducted a series of head transplant experiments and created a 2-headed dog in the 1950s.

Dr. Robert White has also done similar experiments with monkeys. And a number of other doctors.

It's only a matter of time before the techniques will become improved so that they can be suitable for man, to give life to a cadaver.

It's only a matter of time before scientists will be able to create man using things from nature.

so messing about with bits of pre-existing living entities like placing nuclei from one cell inside a membrane of another is creation? Nah, That is not creating life. It's merely genetic engineering, which is a different thing altogether.To create life, scientists must use inert organic chemicles and arrange them, from scratch, into a self-replicating molecule......Impossible! Not even a butterfly will scientist be able to create.

Religionists may regard these possibilities as atrocious or heretical but I am an advocate of any technology that will improve human lives, reduce mortality rates across the world, and expand the oeuvres of scientists' research on biological concepts.

And when such milestones are finally made, necessary checks will be put on place to curb any abuse... .

They cannot throw a few chemicals in a test tube and create the most basic forms of life. (IE) create life from nothing. Not from some cloned whatever, not from genetic engineering, from nothing. They say that life started from a few chemicals wallowing around in a pool of amino acid, add sunlight and just like magic, we created life. If it was so easy why can't they do it now. The more they dig, the more they find how complicated even the most basic life is. It is design folks not chance.

HellVictorinho:
"Good"/"Bad" have nothing to do with these.

If you are saying that there is a 'brain' behind the appearance of Man on Earth,you should also accept that all that has been happening,including the questionables ,are elements of the brain's orchestration.
And only a 'cracked' brain would mastermind such nonsense.

You are antropomorphize the universe by saying is a masterminded nonsense. Therefore we need to known which is not a masterminded nonsense. Hence brought the notion of bad and good.

Universe is natural then there can be no nonsense in it. Nature only trys to get back the balance it should have and does so without consulting our morality. Hence, nature only does what is naturally best to sustain existence. One ‘right' in one place might be wrong in another, but that's all in our mind, fashioned by the perspective we decide to view from. Nature made us, we can only learn from nature because it portrays the purest form of what ‘right’ is. So, nature can't be wrong. The further away we adapt from nature, the more we create an imbalance, when nature corrects that, we call it wrong. Oooh! We are the ones who are wrong ‘naturaly' when we tamper with nature.

HellVictorinho:
A lot has been said about a certain and perhaps the most significant possibility- Existence.

And there are some theories that exist in a bid to explain the "reason" for this possibility which include:The Theory of Everything, The Big Bang ,The Intelligent Design and The Supereme Dimensions.
But I would like to point out the FLAWS in them that would make it STUPID for anyone to find them worthy of COMPLETE appreciation.

The most important thing about The Theory of Everything is that it ends with "The Possibility of The All".
This possibility doesn't really explain anything.It only makes explanation(of its meaning)necessary.
"All"here is assumed as we all know that "Existence" doesn't have specified boundaries.
You can't say "all the elements" when you can't discover all of them due to your limited strengths/abilities (not just knowledge) and the "Possibility of the Appearance of naturally occurring elements".
The most terrible aspect of this theory is the attempt of the people behind it to make it sound reasonable when they say "We are part of a whole" , "This whole has a Divine consciousness", "The personification of this can be referred to as the "the Supreme Being".
But that is just stupid!!!!!!
Fine,"GOD/First Cause/Designer/Whatever " can be described in which ever way they choose yet it still doesn't make any sense to describe humans as "parts of a whole" .
We have a beginning that can be described as "funny' considering the "purpose of our existence".
How was the "whole" feeling when we weren't around?
"Aliens/Animals" caused it to express itself ,right?
And I suppose the aliens disappeared after we appeared, right?
Now, this "whole'" keeps our "alien brothers" far from us for reasons best known to it,right?
What else could this crazy "All" do in the next hundred years that is "awe-inspiring" to its "people".?

Now,concerning "the big bang" theory there is one thing it can never explain and that is simply because it should never have bothered to make an attempt to do so in the first place,which is the reason for the appearance of every physical property of matter.
The so-called reason doesn't exist and even if it does,it will be in form of an explanation. Yet,,if anyone should do that,it has to be someone who knows the purpose of every event that has taken place since our universe became existent but that doesn't mean there was someone with "intelligence" or even a "sound mind" before that preceding event ,neither does it mean that "In-Existence" is possible.
The "big bang" theory made this attempt by attributing the events to "Chance".
Unfortunately,"Chance" is not and will never be the right word to even describe "The Possibility of anyone's chance to exist" considering the fact that certain things are bound to happen and that also includes 'biological disasters'.
It would also be unreasonably futile to attempt to find a "reason" why something unreasonable such as "genetic syndromes" would occur.
The "cause" of such misfortunes can never be reasonable.
Rather,they can only explain that Man is an "Expression of Predetermined Absurdities".

The 'Intelligent Design' is overly and pathetically horrible.
It can only EXIST as a concept/theory.
This is because the supposed intelligence is actually 'insanity'.
And the supposed design is actually an 'error'.
But even this 'Insane Error' wouldn't explain anything significant.
How can you describe magnificent absurdities/inexplicably awesome but meaningless events as an 'EFFECT' of 'intelligence?
Does the fact that 'Things' are working in a 'Seemingly Programmed' manner mean there is an 'Intelligent Programmer' behind the scenes considering 'All that has ever happened' since the appearance of Mankind on Earth?
Limitation of knowledge is possible but applied wisdom can neither be limited nor unlimited so I don't find it WISE to assume that there is 'A superior intellectual capacity' that is worth considering simply because 'We haven't discovered everything',which might not be USEFUL.
In summary,'we shouldn't be in awe of anything that 'scares' us,we should only appreciate things that are beneficially useful to us and whatever is superior to us should 'Exist to Happen Reasonably and Understanbly' before it can be described LOGICALLY.
The 'Intelligent Designer' is actually 'The Possible Mastermind of Masterminded Nonsense'.

The last concept/theory I would like to address is that of 'Higher Beings in Higher Dimensions'.
First,The concept of the 'Possibility of the Spirit Realm' is actually a 'declarification'.
And,'the fact that we can't see supposedly more intelligent/powerful beings only proves that we are probably 'scammed' for we find ourselves in a planet that supports life(and death) but not a planet we can actually call 'home'.
Furthermore,there is nothing beneficially significant about discovering this 'Higher Dimensions' where we have 'Incosequentially Super-Complex Beings'.
Their supposed 'Super-Intelligence' has not proven to be worth any sort of consideration
And "Humans shouldn't celebrate any form of 'necessity' to worship any 'anything/anyone'(including GREATLY-POWERFUL-FOR-NOTHING-SUPER-FLOPS).

Lastly,I choose to describe this 'Ever-Existing-Drive',behind the ever-occurring event which I have observed as 'The Forming of Existence', as the 'Existential Constant'.
This 'Constant' allows possibilities to become actualized in different ways.
The manner in which this possibilities are actualized depends on the functional consequences of the possibilities .

And having elaborated on my stand,I would like everyone to know that "'I can't always be what I am and I am always what I can't be."

ofcourse everything regarding the universe as we know it maybe incorrect or false.

Will talk about the big bang.

The expansion of the universe has been cross-checked in many ways and the evidence is fairly compelling.

And be sure everything in science is transient, every prevailing theory is simply “what makes most sense at any given moment according to the present knowledge.

But most often with scientific progress successful theories don’t get to be proven wrong they just become incomplete version of the truth, useful approximations to whatever deeper theory, which most probably has not yet been found, the latest formulations being only more accurate than previous ones but still not yet being the whole truth.

HellVictorinho:
The same thing applies to you as regards my description of those things.
'The Possibility of Masterminded Nonsense' is just a possibility.

Then i ask what is it that will be term not a masterminded nonsense to you? You can't say A is bad when you have not provide what a good A should look like.

gensteejay:
Sure, they will make use of things from nature.

Then that is not creature, that is photocopying from original prototyping. Science may eventually copy the version of the model but will never be able to present their own version of the model.

HellVictorinho:
I have created a topic titled ' The Explanation for Existence' as regards stuff like that.(e.g.creationism).

Nothing/nobody deserves absolute praise when considered logically absolutely.

i will go check but needs to answer the question asked

You only condemn what You have a better version for, you don't condemn what you can't recreate.

gensteejay:
Yes, apart from evolution there were several advanced entities (called gods in religion) that designed and fashioned ancient men, microbes, plants, animals.

Those entities also designed suns, moons, and I think planets (not sure I remember this correctly). All these are claims from those books I made mention of earlier.

I think there are some truths in the claims and believe science of today will still get to the level of creating man, through DNA sequencing and cloning, 3D organ printing, and in vitro fertilisation. In the near future, scientists will also be able to design suns, moons, planets.

Did you read the news story reported last year about the artificial moon designed by scientists in China? I think some German scientists also designed an artificial sun.

DNA sequencing and cloning and in vitro fertilisation have already witnessed great breakthroughs in the modern era.

Of course, if they can create a man, designing animals and plants can also be achieved. Obviously, such scientists will face backlash from ethicists and religionists. But it's only a matter of time before science will sound the death knell on religions and superstitious beliefs. It's a gradual process.

All the technologies and techniques for creating man, animals, plants, and astrological bodies are not new; they are only lost or hidden.

Anything any scientist or god creates, in my opinion, is still created by The Infinite Intelligence (who some call God) as every living thing, planet, universe, etc. lie within it and are its aspects. That's my own philosophy as of now.

will any scientist create a living being either plant or animal without using chemical not produce or the remain of that living entity?

HellVictorinho:
There is nothing logically amazing about the planets/galaxies/universe.

And you shouldn't celebrate the "Possibility of Masterminded Nonsense"

All the stars, planets and galaxies that can be seen today make up just 4 percent of the universe. The other 96 percent is made of stuff astronomers can't see, detect or even comprehend and you say this are not amazing. If i may ask what will you not consider as masterminded nonsense. I mean what will be logically amazing to you?

HappyPagan:
Ah, before Nigerian artists started stealing their beats...

Love it too. Touches me soul.

most of the sound Nigerians musician produce are not originally ours, they are forieng. But we are good at one very thing, commercializing. Without us, their sound will be restricted to their local convene. So kudos to us

Lightangel65:
No one created God, his existence is a mystery

A mystery of discoveries, doubts, argument debates over his existence leading to starting point.

He is infinity, he is existence himself, what a wonderful God.

"God is an intelligible sphere—a sphere known to mind, not to the senses—whose center is everywhere and whose circumference nowhere."

~Joseph Campbell

"At the touch of love everyone becomes a poet."

⭐Plato

MuttleyLaff:
Stout with my nkwobi and no isiewu for me please. Thank you very much.
Happy Birthday vaxx!

why, You don't like isiewu?

Those who are able to see beyond the shadows and lies of their culture will never be understood, let alone believed, by the masses.

⭐Plato

We shall reincarnate ifa


The Yoruba name Ifatunji means "Ifa reincarnates." Ifa reincarnates thru us. This is explained in the Odu, Idi Wori, which states clearly:

"Kosi ti ko le bi awo l'omo.
Kosi ti ko le bi Orunmila.
Baba eni bi o ba bini ni pepe,
Bi o ba pe titi a tun nbi baba eni lomo
Yeye eni bi o ba bini ni pepe,
Bi o ba pe titi a tun nbi yeye eni lomo
A difa fun Orunmila,
Ti o wipe oun maa mu orun bo saye
Oun maa mu aye lo sorun."

"There is no lady who can't give birth to Ifa's wisdom.
There is no lady who cannot birth Orunmila himself.
Our father, who fully brings us into being,
eventually we will bring him into being as well.
Our mother, who fully brings us into being,
eventually we will bring her into being as well.
This was the teaching of Ifa for Orunmila
Who said he would bring heaven to earth,
and that he would also take earth to heaven

Slot ...

Here is a list of the talents/powers of the various Orisa that reveal themselves as your crown.

Obatala: passion of creative visual arts; helping the disabled, peacemaking.

Osun: passion of imagery, especially theatre, film, fashion, etc.

Ayan: passion for musical instruments

Ogun: passion for technology, chemistry, mathematics.

Sango: passion of action; dance; firefighter; military, security, etc.

Oduduwa: passion for community leadership, government, etc.

Oya: passion for marketing; entrepreneurism, activism; etc

Osanyin: passion for holistic healthcare, botany, biology.

Esu: passion for law, judiciary system, justice

Ela: passion for charity

Obba: passion for homemaking, domestic policies, etc.

Yemoja: passion for meditation, yoga, etc

Orunmila: passion for teaching, writing, scholarship

Aye: passion for environmentalism, nature, etc

Oshosi: passion for interacting with wildlife, zoology, strategists, planners.

HellVictorinho:
Do you know what I mean by "Everything"?And when I say "Meaningless",I mean "Not satisfying LOGIC absolutely when considered existentially.

It is a fact that logic can be abused, Sometimes logic go awry when they are reductive in nature.They most certainly do awry when skepticism turns into denialism. We all know what this looks like—when skepticism turns into foot dragging or no by other means.

HellVictorinho:

Everything is Meaningless!!!!!And no philosophy can prove God's existence. If you also subscribe to the "Possibility of Masterminded Nonsense" as regards physical effects,that wouldn't be surprising considering the effects of certain "declarifications" on your mind. I won't bother to ask you "why".I would rather let you know that you can't answer all the questions that must be asked. Yet,"The more you know, the more you need to know".

pls do you have a job or you are still a student?

I ask this becuse the seemingly most meaningless life has purpose, though not always obvious. The baby who lives a few moments after birth still has a lasting impact on those around her or him. IThe universe doesn’t make mistakes. If it does you will not be here.There is meaning in everything and everyone.

I think the philosopher and scientist propagating this negative thought should be arrested. They want to create a saddist world.

LordReed:
Is that what you believe, that direct knowledge of this great intelligence will cause you to transcend the earth?

Now lemme reiterate, cosmology is not part of the atheism so it stands on its own. However as an atheist I lean heavily towards accepting scientific evidence and hypothesis for the origins of our universe.

From what I have learnt so far, the origins of our universe is necessarily shrouded in mystery that science may or may never uncover because of the timescales involved and the physics. As far is known now the universe expanded out from a singularity. What caused the singularity is unknown, what was before the singularity is also unknown.

i have repeated this lines on many times with budaatum. So you share similar idea. Interesting

MuttleyLaff:
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I vehemently wish my above aforementioned neighbours to stop overthinking too much because it's alright not to know all the answers

HAPPY 2019 everyone!

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kkins25:
Happy birthday vaax. May the Universe bring forth good tidings.

Ase edumare

HappyPagan:
Happy Birthday Vaxx... Your parents must have known a lot about proper timing....

i think it was just a coincident

HappyPagan:
#MeToo

i will make yours nkwobi and fresh palm wine. What about that?

kkins25:
'm aware of this and didn't say otherwise. Yes but care to inform me which of these countries posses the infrastructure to process the aforementioned resources? We export raw cocoa, diamond, crude oil, etc and buy the finished goods. Black people are in the fields plucking, mining the raw stuff, then the "cunning" European takes this raw stuff, processes it and sell it back with more profit. That's the message budaatum has been trying to get across.
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There are many issues that cause this issue. these are related to investments in infrastructure, education, access to funds and control of the market by the large company in the production and distribution sectors. So not on the lack of intellectual as we are really made to belive. It is wrong priority from the goverment and society at large.

When we allow the whites to control media, why wouldn't we be the victim of these manipulation. Once again, the message I was trying to get across. Let's run our own documentary, and also white people do very carefully which part of the news to show to the world and what part not to. We Blacks just pour out everything. The necessary and useless ones.

This is not an African problem but a global problem of our economic model, global monopolies in production and distribution prevent new business to get a good hold to survive.

Dstv is a commendable whatever. But enlighten me please, the satellites that transmit this programs; are they still not white?
This Dstv, isn't it still loaded with more foreign channels than indigenous ones? Don't you notice the production difference between CNN and AIT? State of the art tech that we just bought from our gods. Do a negros even manufacture guns like ak47?

i actually don't understand you here. Media is all about what interest people. It is about business. When we begin to campaign for local consumption of our own local product just the way american society did, we will also get there and likewise funds is also a vital factor. How much are you willing to pay for a subscriptions which will in turn be used to financed a world class production. Africa economy model currently does not support such capacity for now. But we can actually get there if government determine.. Egypt, Ethiopia, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Nigeria and Ghana all have their Kalashnikov(ak47) company. Though might not be as sophisticated as the one obtain from Russia yet it is commendable. I agree much works still.need to be done.

yess very true. Religion is not the sole cause but its a curse non the less. No wonder we still have people who believe In blood money.. Those good brains are like gases in container.
Kinetic theory; volume of gases is negligible when compared to the volume of the container.
Modified; That zombie recieve sense isn't addressed to you please. Just want to show our over indulgence in religion

should we stop driving car becuse of the bad road or should we stop conducting examination for student becuse of constant failure. Why dont we tackle the problem therein. There are good things this things brought too. Have you consider that. The solution to headache is not by cutting the headoff.

raptex:
What I actually mean is that I'm free from the mental shackles of religion and the way the Nigerian society has conditioned us to think. I now think for myself.

Religion suppose to free you and not cage you. The moment you allow preacher and his church dictate for you instead of the truth. You submit yourself to slavery..

raptex:
You are still getting me wrong. I'm even more open-minded than I ever was as a Christian.

Then good. I reply you based on your ealier comment. You said, you now live by your own rules and opinion .Not the one society or religion set.

raptex:
You are getting me all wrong. I don't mean it like this.

You wanner be a freethinker without willingness to be open minded. How do you wanner go about it.

Your own opinion or idea is weightless if it is objectively determine to be wrong. You can't be living in your own world. That is psychiatric condition

raptex:
It means I no longer rely on or live by the rules the society has set for me( seeing the woeful failure of our society and the ridiculousness of religion). I now live by my own ideas, rules and opinions.

You can't rely on your rules , ideas and opinion alone if you want to be successful in this life. There is doctor there to provide you with medical advice for your medical condition, likewise , there is a lawyer there to give you legal advice either on your buisness or contract dealing. You can't set your own standard of rules without an expert guiding it. That will be a complete failure. Hopefully you aren't thinking to live in that direction.

budaatum:
Live long and prosper!

Thank you bross. Isewu and big stout for u there

Urahara i think i made a mistake with my earlier link.

This shouild be the right option.

https://www.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/dept/ant/egypt/kemet/virtualkemet/faq/

urahara:
The link you posted proves nothing at all

The link dessement the information a skeptic like you need.

What you are to do is to ridicule the information by pulling out uncontested evidence . Which i strongly await.

Remmeber the articule in the link is issued based on authority and not some road side mechanic historians

urahara:
Evidence please . Post your source

It depends on how far back you go. 1,500 BC Queen Tiye was black with an Afro and all what you can term as African (Negroid) features. There was a report somewhere i read last time that DNA report conduct on her validate that her ancestor hails from Uganda.

But on the links supporting that Egyptians were blacks. This is Cambridge university links below.

https://www.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/dept/ant/egypt/kemet