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budaatum:
Mathematical and statistical? Won't that be complicated? Remember our table discussion?

Just let him hit his head against a wall and come and tell me if the wall or his head or the ache he feels in it does not exist!

i think he is working with some junk of philosophy that he might not properly understand. Well, i might be wrong too. But to be fair, i want to give him the benefit of the doubt. He may not even used any mathematical model. All i need is explanation, even if not compelling. I will take it as knowledge that can be modify.

HellVictorinho:
It is a deduction.
And I want you to answer this question:Can you get to a location where nothing is ?

You don't deduce while sitting on your chair pressing your phone. Deduction is about establishing fact base on what you already know. So what are this things you already know is a fact before coming up with this conclusion. You may provide a working formula to justify your point.

And to answer your question, nothing don't exist, but we know for sure we don't know everything. e.g dark energy. So little is known about it.

okonyia:
They are ignorant, and lack research. Even I agree with you we need a lot of work to build and rebuild our image, it also very important for you to keep telling those of them that want to hear about Nigeria. You can also talk to your lecturer, and tell him he is wrong. For your friend,you can start the campaign with him and his family.

sincerely speaking, Nigeria needs to work on her corruption image. My igbo friend sent me an horrific chart yestarday . He came to the country recently, and from the airport, he took the service of uber car to his hotel where he would take a nap before embarking on his journey to the east. He said on their way to the hotel, he was stopped by the police who took him for an internet fraudster. He said he had to bribe his way with 30k naira before he was allowed to go.

HellVictorinho:
I KNOW they don't exist because In-Existence is Impossible.

Provide a mathematical and physical formula that back up this assertion and justify it with satisfiable explanation.

HellVictorinho:
You are actually diverting.
I am talking about physical limits of 'Existence' which doesn't exist.

Then make your words correlative, when you lumps two different topic together, that is what you get,.

Have you try to check and confirm absolutely it actually doesnt exist. As long as people insist on lingering in the comfort of not knowing and not wanting to progress you are righ. It doeant exist. But progressive mind are justify from that ignorance.

HellVictorinho:
The Plane,on which the 'Forming of Existence' takes place,is un-dimensional.
So,you can't get out of this Plane.
You can only move further.
Have you ever heard of a place where nothing exists ?
The most significant reason why scientists can't discover everything is because there is no 'everything'.

scientific theories are all provisional. They are all potentially refutable given sufficient compelling evidence. So chill, science isn't meant to discover everything,

Newton's mechanics was modify by the observation of the orbit of mercury and now we have to apply Special Relativity to get a more correct answer.

No, science will never have the answer to everything which is good news for researchers!

"" if the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts.”
- Albert Einstein.

HellVictorinho:
Alright, She(Vaxx) must be an interesting lady.
To pacify her,I will stop the argument for she must be a/an wonderful/exciting lady as well.

lady vaxx is not in anyway upset, so no need to pacify her. Just make her honey, by making this discussion impressive . Lets agree what you wrote there was a mistake. Lets start at fresh.

What do you mean when you say this existence doesn't have specify boundary?

kkins25:

Unless those ETs finally formatted his memory cuz he knows too much...

i think his current moniker now is called humanoid.

HellVictorinho:
Really?
I thought you could do better than that.

lol....pls don't purr.

kkins25:
oh now you're insulting billyonaire..

I belt my balls, he can never be billionaire.

HellVictorinho:
I wasn't expecting any reply from someone like you.

You are abolutely right . Afterall, inteligence is a deasese to you..

HellVictorinho:
Why can't you accept that you don't really know how to read?
And do you know what 'complete appreciation' means?

lol, i am laughing it loud. You know it is gabbage in >gabbage out. You put up a mess, and you are expecting a delight reply, You are served with your own tea cup.

HellVictorinho:
You words indicate your daftness!!!!!
What makes you think I am trying to process whatever information you're claiming to have?
My post has nothing to do with your goddamn philosophy or that of the philosophers you admire.
The subject you are proud of is not as significant as your life so don't kill yourself because of it.
I don't really owe you an explanation for using certain words.
So don't prove that you are critically stupid by criticizing me stupidly!!!!!

i know it when my words hit the right place. Eventually my words had hit the vital components of your biological system which is now founding fault in every internal stimuling speeding up in your cells. My words must have done more than damage to your medically diagnosed cognitive impairement. I am sorry, it wasn't my intention, i simply wanted to pass an obvious message.

Let me quicky correct a mistake you made up there, vaxx is not in anyway a follower of any philosophy apart from"" ifa " which vaxx hold in a very high esteem. But common sense tell vaxx that every rational information should be taken seriously regardless of whom may hold it. Even if it is bible.

Your attempt to flew away from the subject suck, it make your writting look like a standard definition of what the World health organization we called epedimic. It need immediate and emergency attention.

ProsperChild:
First of all this is a nice question hope u guys satisfy with my answer there are so many explanations of floating deadbodies in water ….I want explanation to be simple and liable for study ……

Biological reason of floating deadbodies...

Who can crack this mystery.

Anything At all can float on the water if they are less dense than the water (i.e.) they weigh less than the same volume of water.

HellVictorinho:
This has nothing to do with the goddamn philosophy you are talking about.
My use of the word 'Existential' doesn't give you the premise to type nonsense.
I can't subscribe to anyone's writing.
The man and the people behind 'Existentialism' are just like every other people who claim to know the truth.
My post is about 'Existentiality'.
I don't give a damn about what you think and if you are so pleased with the so-called information in 'Existentialism',Fine!!!!!!!!!
Hell is here and he doesn't give a Bleep about brainwashed people like you!!!!!!
The Truth is a lie.
And the 'Actuality of Things' is the 'Ultimate Crap'

Your level of understanding had been tested on the logic explanation in the former thread. Well, it might not be half enough to judge you, but it is quarter enough to assess you. You display a way below standards of reasoning, and your view on the subject was still very much like a baby still struggling on how to grasp or locate the nipple of her mother breast. Same is the issue you raised here, nothing at all shows you understand a bit of information you are trying to process. It is a way above your assessment.

Mantra had been ring to your brainskull, and it is now your own version of vitamin k you absorbed every morning, and anybody who lack this your very version of vitamin k is brainwashed according to your own delusion. Fine by me, it is just the way you see it.

HellVictorinho:
First,I shouldn't be stupidly compared with VAXX.
And my terms are actually simple.
'Ever-occurring' simply means timeless.
'Ever-existing' means ageless/timeless.
'The Forming of Existence' is an activity whereby things happen to exist.
But these things occur/become characterized by acting upon themselves in different ways.
In Summary-TIMELESS Phenomenon (Existential Constant)=Actuality=Forming of Existence=Actualization of Existential Possibilities=Determination of Characterization=Forms of Existence.
We are all Humans.
But Humans are just Existence in Human Form.
We occurred at ANYTIME after the components of NATURE (another Form of Existence) had acted upon the Actualization of our Existential Possibility in the Forming of Existence, which occurred in a manner that was determined by the functional consequences of our Existential Possibility.

Honestly, it is stupid as you said for budaatum to compare you with vaxx. Vaxx is even considering it as an insult, By comparing her to you will be tantamount to intentional mistake. She vaxx, i know will not have come with this hogwash of yours not even when she was drunk.

You want to sound clever on the subject you know little or Notting of, but before an enlightment, if i consider it worth my time to engage you. I recommend you to read “Either/Or” by Soren Kierkegaard. It is a clever pair of books that present an introduction to Existentialism philosophy you are trying to flawed.

You can't just put up any silly statement based on false premises and inaccurate assumptions about subjects you know nothing of, then base your arguments on the premise of this false assumption, then base your question on these false premise, assumption and definition.

And expect people to answer your idiocy, expect people to answer your own misconceptions, lack of proper information, jumper assumptions and personal false premises taken as truth.

budaatum:
Hmm, ok. I guess I just don't have the "critical thinking" and "highly intellectual reasoning" abilities you speak of.

Vaxx, do you know he reminds me of a previous you, lol, with apologies.

shouild i take this as an insult or joke? Previous vaxx doesn't exist, vaxx is still much with the philosophy she propagate on nairaland. Which are, There is probability of God existence, Atheism does not equal inteligence, religion is part of the natural value holding humanity together,Ancient african tradition should be more embrace than foreign traditions etc... These are what vaxx propagate on nairaland. So if you say previous vaxx, you may need to explain it.

HellVictorinho:
The Universe is a 'Form of Existence' and not Existence itself which is a possibility that is actualized by the Existential Constant.
This Constant acts like an ever-existing drive that keeps the ever-occurring activity which is the 'Forming of Existence' in Actuality.
Here,Possibilities get actualized in different forms by occurring in a manner that is determined by their functional consequences.
These occurrences take place at ANYTIME.
The 'Settings',which determine how 'The Possibility of Existence' functions consequently are responsible for the state of The Plane on which 'The Forming of Existence' takes place.
The Plane is un-dimensional so there is nothing like 'Everything',there has never been and there will never be.
Consciousness is just a functional consequence.
And there has never been 'Nothing'
The Existential Constant maintains the Possibility of Existence and it can't be determined by time.
It is the Ever-existing 'Drive' that doesn't require any 'Form'.
It is that which makes In-Existence ever-impossible.
There has never been a 'period' when 'nothing' was happening and there will never be.

The Constant of Existentiality is a phenomenon that cannot be discovered due to its 'Ever-Existing Function'
It can only be deduced.
The manner in which 'The Forms of Existence' are expressed also depends on the functional consequences of their possibilities.
In conclusion,'The Settings' are determined by the functional consequences of 'The Possibility of The Existential Constant'.

Honestly i think you are not making any point, i am finding what you put up here difficult to understand, maybe some do and if that is the case, they should reply you.

budaatum:
That "government and society at large", us, collectively, currently lack the knowledge, vaxx, to not have "wrong priority" and create "the investments in infrastructure, education, access to funds and control of the market by the large company in the production and distribution sectors". And those with knowledge of how to create them, create them and have them. No gods from heaven gave it to those who have those things you listed. At one point they didn't have them, and now they do have them. Just as we too will some day have them when we learn to have the right priorities and learn to create them.

Basically, work for what you want and eventually things will fall into place. Nothing is going to happen if you don’t first apply yourself.

budaatum:
Try applying the scientific method of reasoning too. After all, no one says logic, which is like covering one eye to see, is the only lens of scrutiny!

All sort of reasoning should be required to test a rigorous subject such as this, and rely upon one is ineffective. Abductive, deductive and inductive are all applicable.

HellVictorinho:
We can't rely on Logic when it is considered as a method.(For propositions)
But we can rely on it when it is considered as a mental activity that is independent of uncertainty.
You might choose to call it 'Informed Reasoning' because it involves that which is needed for it to be productively approvable.
The Information here must be testable so that when the results are achieved (produced),they won't have to be disproved in terms of defined accuracy.
In other words, The Standards for Logical Evaluations must be set and the Information must be derived by careful observation of the the circumstances under which the need for such activity arises.

Then you agree and accept that logic is deductive reasoning.

Epistemologicallly its asset of judgements does not require experience (sense data, empirical data) for making up truth. So i ask in another tone, how do you want us take a system of reasoning that do not require experience for their truth seriously especially on a complex issue like life.?

HellVictorinho:
In medical science, what is good for your health can become bad/dangerous (the case of drugs).
In medical science as well,what is good for your health now could be bad for your health later (Lifestyle

).Yet it still doesn't change the application of the word. Medical health is a progressive work, if today paracetamol is detected to be harmful to human consumption, the term bad will be attached to it, if tomorrow, a research indicate that chloroquine is essential to our continuous intake it will be recalled and labelled good. So the words is apply base on how the research is carried out.

Logic shouldn't have to prove.
Logic should be proven.
Truth has to be proved.
And this proof should be logical.
Logic should be satisfactory.But it doesn't have to be right.
We should arrive at LOGIC-the Ultimate Reasoning.
Truth should express LOGIC.
If certain things are distorted/twisted/incompletely explained,we shouldn't be surprised at the results because when something is stated,the first thing to consider about the statement is the knowledge behind the statement.
If the knowledge is verifiable, it will be considered as reasonable.
If the knowledge is confirmed to be accurate by the evaluation and assessment of its source,it will be considered as LOGICAL and expressed as Truth.

I think the diagram i posted there should give you a better veiw.

Logic is deductive, not inductive. Logic is only a method of deriving something which is already established or assumed. The truth of fallacy of something logically derived is completely dependent on what its derived from. The original statement has to be verified by sensory perception. However the scope of sensory perception, even after enhancement by technology, is still much lmited. How then can we rely on logic?

LordReed:
So people should not critic anybody's work simply because they can't reproduce it? Really?

Anything at all should be ridicule even if it is God.. but what is the essence of ridiculing when alternative don't exist.

Your critic can only be better perceived when there is alternative on ground. A Rational thinker will weight it and juxtapose which one is making more sense. You can't tell me my girlfriend noodles is tasteless when i haven't eat your girlfriend noodles.

HellVictorinho:
To some degree?
I hope you are not referring to what should be described as "good"/"bad" because those two words are just words.
And "words" are "declarifications

According to medical science what is useful for human health is known as good and what is harmful for human health is known as bad. So it can't simply be a mere words as we can see clearly why the words is personified.

In my terms,LOGIC is simply the REASONING that satisfies the conditions that require its application absolutely, when you consider all the considerables and perceptibles.

When the premises are false. It doesn’t matter if your logic is perfect if your initially believes are incorrect, and logic can prove NOTHING without initial beliefs.

Human Limitations shouldn't suggest 'Indeterminability of Logic'.
Rational Thinking shouldn't be a choice.
It should be practiced as often as possible.
No one thinks in a certain way all the time unless he or she has serious mental issues.
Under normal circumstances the brain can't function like that because it is affected by what happens on the 'outside'

first logic doesn't establish truth, it only establish consistency. That is not the same as correct. If logic was always right, there would be only one outcome resulting from its application. However that is not the case.

A diagram below explain better.

HellVictorinho:
Is it illogical to act rationally?

All acting/thinking is to some degree illogical and irrational. Actually, in human terms, there is no pure or purely rational thought. There are just different levels of cognitions, speculations, estimations, evaluations, judgments, etc

HellVictorinho:
Possibilities are actualized by the Existential Constant and this can happen at anytime because In-Existence is impossible.

If you truly desire a saner PLANE where the 'Forming of Existence' also takes place,you would have to change/reset the 'Settings' for Existence, which are the functional consequences of the 'Possibility of Existence.’

The 'Possibility of the Existential Constant' represents Existence in different forms.
These 'forms' occur/happen simultaneously to exist and I call this activity the 'The Forming of Existence'
This activity is ever-occurring because the Existential Constant is an ever-existing 'drive' that cannot be determined as regards its form,which is inconsequential.
It doesn't require personification and shouldn't be described as anything other than a 'Constant' which is ever- necessary to keep ''The Possibility of Existence" in Actuality.
The functional consequences of possibilities determine the outcome of actualization.
We shouldn't bother to know 'God'.
"God" is just a word.
'Love,Bad,Good' are just words as well.
And 'WORDS' are 'declarifications'.

in all honesty, i am still trying to wrapped my head around this. Maybe someone else in the house can explain further.

HellVictorinho:
LOGIC is always applicable.
And I won't describe what you are implying as 'ABSOLUTE' LOGIC,which involves the Most Complex (not the highest)Form of Reasoning.

Logic is always logical (by tautological definition), but logic is not always rational hence can't always be applicable . Logic starts from a set of presuppositions and works its way through to a set of conclusions, but rationality involves evaluations of those initial presuppositions on moral, aesthetic, ideological, or other non-logical grounds. If one start with different presumptions, one can logically work one's way through to different conclusions.

HellVictorinho:
"Meaningless" here means 'Not satisfying LOGIC absolutely when considered existentially.'

i just told you earlier, logic can go in awe, it is not dependable as its usefulness has limitation.

HellVictorinho:
What do you think about the Existential Constant, whose possibility represents Existence.
Do you find it amazing?
Anyways, I don't.

i am not sure of what you mean by existential constant. We you be willing to share?

HellVictorinho:
The Totality of Possibilities, known or unknown, caused or uncaused, imaginary or real,testable or untestable, is Meaningless!!!!

This statement as a whole is meaningless when it is not supported by explanation.

HellVictorinho:
Goodness!!!You are only reiterating my points.
I know nature doesn't just mean trees,rivers,etc.
You are the one that first personified nature in the nature of your statements and I followed suit by saying nature should be bleeped.
You also said we have more to learn and I agreed.
Biology is just part of the 'Ultimate Crap'

oh really, you said the universe. Is a masterminded nonsense which i said it is antropomorphize notion you raised. You need to bring forth what is not a masterminded nonsense.

I am only going by your claim. When you produce alternative to what is it. you really called crap. Your postulation will be taken seriously.

gensteejay:
If everyone were religious and had those self-limiting beliefs typically encouraged in religions, we would still be stuck in the Stone Age by now.

Even the phone you type your posts on Nl with was engineered using things from nature.

Historically, religion contribute to the development of technology, the architectural works of cathedral and temple are brain work of religionists architect. What fercilitate technology are two basic things. Food production and religious activities. You need to be abreast with history to invalidate my postulation.

Even physical science refers to a naturalistic approach to the study of the world, which is understood as obeying rules or laws of natural origin. How can science go beyound its subject.