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Cum4me:
why must all your explanation be biblical no single prove scientifically

You are funny op asked about Isreal for bible, I use the same Isreal for bible answer am, you dey complain

Abeg, no enter wetin you no know dey show yourself haba!

Antichristian2:
If God need to earmark something for a later date then he could forgot things! That is not a befitting attribute of an all-powerful God!

That is not true.

Earmarked even means it is not forgotten and you shall not be forgetting it. It is pinned on your calendar for the D day. And on the appointed day, you do that which you had set for that day.

So you are completely wrong.

Antichristian2:
If God can recall something then he is no more God!

God should be above forgeting anything to later recall!

You are funny. So He has no right to earmarked a thing for a later date which is what recall is eh?

See how wike you are? Thank God you are not God ooo. People for hear am eh and yet here you are trying to condemn Him for something as simple as recall again.

Ha, Wike full your soul eissh!

btoks:
There's no change of post. There is rationale for my method. You're just evading. If you're serious, go back and read what I posted.

Funny guy, you thought you could use diversion and change of post to evade your worship of images

You can keep lamenting. I am done

btoks:
Do you know you've not actually engaged the points raised. I've challenged you to come back with an intellectual response.
It's not worth debating you as all you do is refute with no valid points. So using your stlye, this is over!

Ha, what is there to respond to your change of post? So you expect a response to change of post? You must be joking.

Dtruthspeaker:
Oh eedot.

Haba, this is extreme in this case. I know that it is because of his past threads is why you are angry but we have to try and be fair and reasonable (I know say e hard but we gas do am) and see each thread on it its own force. Anyone could have asked this

If anyone asked, that is reasonable but not when he is everywhere putting up threads of this nature, ah ah. This crosses the line of reasonability ooo

Dtruthspeaker:
I know naaa! With all that you have gone through you gas be different

Na even the difference cause am ooo

Dtruthspeaker:
Make I no lie, I no understand

Fill in the missing "i".

Dtruthspeaker:
But this one is a little better and a normal person will say it's reasonable so I think it should be addressed

He spoke to me on the issue of his fear. So that is what I am responding to

truespeak:
1) Who does not know to ask for forgiveness when they have wronged a person?

Adam rather than ask, chose to blame God thereby saying he has done no wrong to be forgiven for.

So not God's fault but Adam's.

And you are doing as Adam did, so nothing for you.

2) People have kept the Laws so your excuse of struggle holds no water for your failures.

So no hope there.

3) Saving takes place before anyone is thrown into the fire.

Fire is proof of condemnation.

So your hope that Jesus will not throw anyone in fire so he doesn't have to endure the fire, is quashed.

So you see you are in deeeeep trouble.

Better hot one.

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you see Him teach Adam anything?
No!
Because Adam already knew.

Secondly, there is nothing to forgive if no offence is given. And no offence was given.

3) Stop Wishing! You cannot change the past. So this is pointless and your silent blasphemy did not unnoted by heaven



Now you are doing Ananias and sapphira thinking you can deceive God and still blaspheme Him and you wonder why you are afraid of judgement Day

Surely, you would pay for your jots and idle thoughts of blasphemy. Especially as you stu.. ly choose to forget that God knows that you can even keep The Laws even when He did not Write them down just like Abel, Seth, Enoch, Noah, Abraham... did and has seen you keep it.

So, you have no excuse and God has already been loving and just even when you do not deserve it and I would tell Him to put yew in the fire lake body and soul even while you are still on earth.



Condemned people can

Imagine nonsense ooo

Goodmarlian:
If I may ask what about the millions going to church every Sunday? What about the millions going to mosque every Friday who are they praying to, who are the serving, and do you want to say God is not in support of human government did he not choose kings for Israel? Was David not chose by God? Say something else.

It is not going to church or wherever. Anyone can go anywhere but rather the heart, which is what God looks at.

Are you not going to church or wherever for yourself? If it's for God, He knows. He can not be deceived. So if He doesn't answer you, you have your answer.

And as for kings, did God not warn Isreal that their Kings shall enslave them and even take their possessions? Yet they said they wanted a King.

What did God say to Samuel? "It is me they have rejected". Meaning they have rejected Him and rather chose to have a king who will be wicked to them than be under God's sweet and good rule.

So clearly man has chosen his own way and is reaping the fruits of his choice. Shikena!

Dtruthspeaker:
Na so God take make me my brother I don't like injustice and unfairness at all especially from that gender.

But, dem beat me tire

Ah, I am like that too and I am female.

I so hate it eh, that I will stand in line and wait my turn even when everyone was expecting me to ask for favours and even offering it to me from even when I was little.

It used to shock people to their bone marrow

Still do it till this day that when girls/women are around me, they know to behave themselves and wait their turn.

Has man not said he wants to do his things his own way?

Has he not set up his own government to rule him whom he has said is its duty to take care of him?

Has he not thrown God aside?

Has he not made things and even said Science does everything for him, therefore he does not need nor want God?

So wetin concern God again na? You are getting what you asked for.

ekeneokwologu:
I have been dating this girl for 2 months now. But I noticed she doesn’t like kissing and we are also planning marriage. I need ur advice on this thanks. Pls move it to front page.

It's either of 2 things for a woman.

She doesn't like kissing you or somebody don kiss wetin no good comot for her body.

Dtruthspeaker:
All the examples you gave were properly and reasonably proven with no reasonable doubt remaining.

But this your assertion is begging for proof.

And only proof you are giving is begging for more proof.

For, form and formlessness and property and infinite always refer to things you can see.

And yet you admit that you never saw any of this things, so how can you be said to have spoken the Truth when in fact you have not seen the things you claim, which have to be seen before you can testify of the Truth of them.

That is the meaning of a dot and that is what dots do.

Theawakensoul:
@Dtruthspeaker,
You asked, “How do you describe a truth when you never saw it?”
But that question itself shows the misunderstanding.

Not everything real is visible.
You don’t see gravity, consciousness, emotions, or even thoughts, yet they shape reality every second.
Truth isn’t limited to eyesight; it’s recognized through experience, logic, and insight.

So what I’m describing isn’t a “shape” of God, it’s an understanding of the nature of Source:
Formless, not because I saw it, but because form is a property of matter, not of the infinite.

@vdestro,
You say I’m “afraid,” but fear isn’t what makes someone ask deeper questions.
Fear makes people avoid them.
If anything, real fear is when someone refuses to examine their beliefs because they worry they might crumble.

I’m simply discussing ideas openly.
No fear, no attack, just clarity.

Peace and awareness to you both.
TheAwakenSoul

Oh, your post reeks of desperation and fear no matter how much you deny it. It leaks like a suckaway full of .....

btoks:
I shall overlook your insult! You could make your point without insults


You stated above in your earlier post and I responded with proof (which you ignored) that the church exercised real authority to settle a doctrinal dispute about circumcision, even though circumcision had been explicitly commanded in the OT.
That shows from the same bible that the Church has authority to interpret and rule on contested matters and t is the foundation of the discussion and not a change in topic.

In likewise manner there had been a brewing controversy about the use of images in the 5th/6th Centuries, the church came together in council to declare on the matter. It examined scriptures and tradition and formally ruled at the 2nd Council of Nicaea in 787 that images may be used and venerated, while worship belongs to God alone. I shared the decree earlier.

Also, the commandment against graven images did not mean a total ban on all images, because God Himself commanded images to be made in the Ark, the temple and the bronze serpent. What it forbids is idolatry, not every physical representation.



You are free to disagree with catholic/orthodox conclusion and dismiss what I wrote but please answer below:
- Did Jesus establish a Church with teaching authority? What did he mean when he said whoever hears you, hears me?
- Did the Church have authority to rule on the judaizer issue in Acts 15?
- Does scripture truly teach an absolute ban on all images?

The bible is not the total sum of church history - you may need to research how doctrine was guarded and disputes settled

You have not said anything in counter to your worship of images!

Rather you are repeating your change of Post.

So clearly this is over!

btoks:
Can't you engage without abuse? I challenge you to be intellectual in your response. Respond to what I wrote. Did the church have the authority to declare on the judaizer issue in Acts 15? Did Jesus set up a church that has authority? Before you make uninformed assumptions about sola scriptura, try to think about how the christianity has been run from day 1. Howhave disputes been dealt with.

Re. Images, Please read about the iconoclast controversy. Then you can come back and debate with knowledge.
By the way, images are not worshipped- you can clearly see in the decree from 787AD council that I posted.

Wiser people have debated these things for centuries. You need to engage the rationale not spew some novel sola scriptura interpretation in 2025.

It is not abuse to say a thing as it is. You truly sound that way.

Then you are changing post from worshipping images which is the issue to judaizer then to set up church, which is not in issue.

It is clear proof that you cannot defend your worship of images and that you are still obviously in breach of the No 1 Commandment.

So there is nothing further to say!

Another spam thread from the deadsoul moniker.

Ah, I love the sound of Judgment when I hear it.

Dtruthspeaker:
Only criminals hate to be reminded of their fears!

"Fear follows crime and is its punishment." - Voltaire (On the inevitable dread after wrongdoing).

Em fear plenty ooo. See as his thread just dey spam everywhere.

Another useless thread by this deadenthesoul moniker.

Dtruthspeaker:
Rage bait.

It's obvious you think you are the first to talk about all these issues
https://www.nairaland.com/2568236/religious-people-driven-fear#37554810

https://www.nairaland.com/274918/im-tired-frightening-prayers-sermons#3902085

And unfortunately for you, all of these have been since settled, which is only criminals hate to be reminded of their fears!

"Fear follows crime and is its punishment." - Voltaire (On the inevitable dread after wrongdoing).

You dey mind them. Person go just wake up dey post rubbish up and down. You think you are the first? His befores have all been cut down and so shall he be.

Dtruthspeaker:
People usually do not love themselves so, no hope

Nobody dey beg them. If they like let them continue in disobedience. They shall surely see!

btoks:
Didn't the OT also clearly state that circumcision was required to become part of the covenant with God. What was then decided by the church in Acts 15 against the judaizer controversy?

The fact is sola scriptura limits knowledge of christian history and the church established to bind and loose.

Re images-There was the iconoclast controversy and the church clearly defined at the 2nd Nicaea council (787 AD)that images of could be displayed in churces and homes . See link and summary of decree. This same church declared what the canon of the bible is and many doctrines you take for granted.
https://share.google/poNPYCsA2AMzT6JWe


We define with all certitude and accuracy that, just as the figure of the precious and life-giving Cross, so also the venerable and holy images, whether painted or made of mosaic or of any other suitable material, are to be set forth in the holy churches of God, on sacred vessels and vestments, on walls and panels, in houses and by the wayside, namely, the image of our Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ, of our spotless Lady the holy Mother of God, of the honorable angels, and of all saints and righteous men.

For the more frequently they are seen in pictorial representation, the more those who behold them are lifted up to the memory and desire of the originals, and are led to give them greeting and reverent veneration, not indeed the true worship of faith which pertains to the divine nature alone, but such honor as is shown to the figure of the precious and life-giving Cross, to the holy Gospels, and to other sacred objects, with the offering of incense and lights, according to ancient pious custom.

For the honor paid to the image passes to the prototype, and whoever venerates an image venerates in it the person represented.

Thus the teaching of our holy Fathers is strengthened, that is, the tradition of the Catholic Church, which from one end of the earth to the other has received the Gospel.

Therefore, those who dare to think or teach otherwise, or who reject the traditions of the Church, or who attempt to do away with any ecclesiastical tradition, whether written or unwritten, or who devise innovations against the holy images, or the churches, or the sacred vessels, or the venerable Cross, or who introduce evil heresies, we subject to anathema.

I am sure you do not see that you sound like a mar_/d person. For with all your plenty talk you have said nothing.

Nothing can defend your worship of images and even your empty attempt to use circumcision to cover your open disobedience of Commandment No 1 is so horrible and only goes to show how openly desperate you definitely are.

Guy continue to disobey eh, nobody dey beg you to commot.

Una go learn!

Dtruthspeaker:
I tremble for them ooo. Anyway, if someone can put smoke in his own body, it will not be far fetched that they shall see faya and not enter it

That place eh, hmmm. Anybody that loves himself would run far far away from that shrine.

Aizenosa:
No wonder nobody even took the energy to teach una self.

Unfortunately for you, what you people do is indefensible and can never stand.

You need to teach yourself truth and only trying to justify wrongs will only bring you pain and more pain.

Repent from paganism and idolatry.

Aizenosa:
Una true true nor dey read una bible at all yet you attribute your failures and put it on someone else, study your bible and be wise.

see who dey worship Mary in full chested disobedience to God's word as contained in the same Bible dey talk of study and wise

O boy, na you need that study and wise for you are lacking in both.

Aizenosa:
There is really no helping you people walai, the bible verses are there for you to read and learn, nor be hear say them dem take dey argue.

And the Bible verses have told you clearly to not make images whether of anything in the heavens since una say Mary dey heaven, yet you open eyedly disobey the word of God Himself.

Una go learn!

Aizenosa:
Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy,
our life, our sweetness and our hope.
To you do we cry,
poor banished children of Eve.
To you do we send up our sighs,
mourning and weeping in this valley of tears
Turn then, most gracious advocate,
your eyes of mercy toward us,
and after this exile
show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb,
Jesus.
O clement, O loving,
O sweet Virgin Mary.

If your understanding of this prayer is not Mary showing people to Jesus then you are here to just condemn and not understand.

See all the sweet praises to one human called Mary.

Even God no get all this kind of sweet praises in that una place.

Then why would you need Mary to show you Jesus when Jesus Himself is not in hiding.

He even says come unto me.

Ah, I thank God for saving me from that una paganism and idolatry place.