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Croixxx1739:
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Basalt:
Oga na you Sabi wetin you dey type because to me it's gibberish.

Anything against exam rules is examination malpractice.
Trying to term it misconduct is just trying to be euphemistic

You're obviously not informed. Go look up the definition of both words and see the difference. If you're yet to figure out that merely side talking in an exam hall is an example of exam misconduct and not mal practice then you still have a long way ahead of you.

Stark illiterate.

dauddy97:
Op, you have been doing a great job. But,it a while you posted and update your topic "python". For thoes asking for contact or the other. Pls,discard their comments and focus on this thread. Many have benefited and will still be benefited. Pls,continue and i wish all python programmers out there the very best.

Bros relax.


The reason why I asked for his contact is this.

I have zero knowledge of programming, hence, I need someone who can explain from the basics. I stumbled upon this thread while searching for tutorials on how to learn programming for beginners. I read half way but I'm still confused. I have a friend who knows how to code but he doesn't have time.

He just leaves me with his laptop with a bunch of tutorials as guide through. Like right now I'm just staring at it. It's all Greek to me.

Please kindly forward your contact to Arshraaf@gmail
com.

adebayoabigeal:
Please i really wish to learn python programming language, i would appreciate it if you can send your WhatSapp contact to: ayoadejohnk@gmail.com. Thanks

Same here. I tried learning with Java c ++ but it wasn't sinking in.

stealthtiger:
Hi to everyone who opens this thread.
I'm Emmanuel Olatunde Bashorun and I'm 19 years also an undergraduate of the Univerisity of Lagos, and I love coding.
I'm so glad you're here and I'm assuming you're here to get a basic understanding about Python.

For those asking what language should I learn first let me give it to you bluntly and authoritatively learn Python if you want your life to be easier as you brave through the jungle of coding. I say Python because that's the best way to learn programming
Thank me later

What's Python;
Python is a high level language created by Guido Von Rossum in the late 1980's.
It has an efficient high level data structure and a simple but effective approach to object oriented programming. Python's elegant syntax and dynamic typing together with its interpreter makes it an ideal language for scripting and rapid application development in many areas and on most platforms.

Python is used in big multi organizations for software development and data management, Artificial Intelligence(on which lies my intrest). Its popular in companies and gorvernment organizations like CIA, disney, Google, Yahoo, Instagram, NASA, CERN etc.

Why learn programming: Programming is a skill which would determine your employability in the future in whatever field you're in. This is due to the increasing complexity of machines that'd be built and task's that needs to be solved. Let's say a sociologist is doing a Social computing test on Facebook and needs to know the most used words in a series of posts. Let's say 1million posts. It'd be so difficult but not impossible for the Sociologist to carry out that manually. It'd take a lifetime to get the required info from that task.
So if the person had a basic idea of programming say Python, within a couple of minutes the Sociologist would have written a program that solved that task elegantly.
In essence, you don't have to be a computer scientist to learn programming. After all the purpose of this tutorial is not to make you an accomplished Python developer but give you the required knowledge in getting started with python and doing some really incredible stuffs. At least it'd be a launch pad to lift your self into levels that will make you an accomplished Python developer.

The version of Python that would be used in this tutorial is version 3.4.5.
You can download and install Python on your PC as www.python.org.
CPython is the flavor of Python we'd be coding with.

Interpreter: Computers don't understand the normal language we speak so we have to communicate to them in a way they understand which is zero and ones called machine language which is represented by the switching on and off of the electrical circuits in the computer's memory. But it's difficult to write a string of zeros and ones telling a machine to get data from a user, process it and send it to the server which then gives any one who requests for it. Only a few people can do that now.
So how do we go round this problem. A high-level language is needed of which we understand .
High level languages are good because they require a shorter amount of time to write a program, they're portable, meaning they can run on different computers without modifications unlike machine language written on an Intel x84 based PC which has to be rewritten to run on an Intel x64 based PC.

Two programs process high level languages into machine language. 1. Interpreter 2. Compiler
The interpreter reads a high level language and executes it. It processes a program little at a time. Alternatively reads the code line by line and performing computations.

The compiler reads the whole program and translate everything before it starts running. In context the high-level program code is called SOURCE CODE and the translated code is called OBJECT OR EXECUTABLE CODE.

What is a program: [/b]A program is a series of instructions that tells a computer how to perform a computation.

[b]Tutorial Outline:
1. Variables, expressions and statements
2. Numerical Operations
3. Conditional statements
4. Functions
5. Loops
6. Strings
7. Dictionaries
8. Tuples
9. Files
10. Exception handling


PLEASE AND PLEASE NOTHING SHOULD BE POSTED ON THIS THREAD THAT IS OUT OF CONTEXT OF IT'S CONTENT AND THAT HAS THE ABILITY TO DERAIL THIS THREAD OF IT'S PURPOSE OTHERWISE A BAN WOULD BE GIVEN TO SUCH INDIVIDUAL.

Contextual and related contributions are welcome.

I'd be pleased if my errors can be pointed out during the cause of this tutorial since no one is perfect.

Every example that'd be given here has been tested. But self testing the examples is highly encouraged to see if it truly works and also to increase the rate of learning.

Before we get started let me leave you with one of my favorite quotes 'every skill you acquire doubles your odd of success' Scot Adams.

So at least we have a basic idea of what python is. So it's time to start getting our hands dirty in code.

1. Variables, Expressions and Statements
Let's hink of variables as containers. They hold values.
Variables in python are capable of holding different datatypes. Data types are types of data.
In python there are different data types such as int(integers=>they hold decimal numbers), float(floats=> numbers that contain decimal parts eg 8.76), str'(=> they are characters made up of a string of text eg 'good', 'Hello') there are other datatypes​ but we'd talk about them later

As I said earlier on that variables hold values.
Just like a jug holding some water or juice. Water andjuice are different types of liquid.
You don't have to tell the jug what substance your filling it with. It just holds it for you.

Same way with python. Python is an untyped language meaning you don'thave to specify to Python what type of value you're storing in the variable.

Eg.
>>> python = 'language'
>>>print(python)
>>>language
From the above example you can see that I didn't have to tell python what type of variable language is. Python automatically new that it's a string.

Check this out to confirm my statement above
>>>type('language')
>>>('type str')
So Python's so smart that it knows 'language' is a string. This ability is due to the fact that Python has an in-built function called type[\b]

In programming context storing a value in a variable is called [b]assigning a value to a variable. So we assigned language to python.

Naming variables
In Python a variable name can not start with a number. That's an illegal variable name.
A variable name can contain an underscore, lower case, upper case.
You can't use a key word as a variable name. There are about 31 keywords in python (reserved words)
I strongly advise you to start your variable​ with a small letter.


>>>7_wonders= 'pyramid of Egypt'
SyntaxError: invalid syntax

>>> my_name = 'Bashorun'
>>>

>>> print = 'print is a keyword'
>>> SyntaxError: invalid syntax


Operator's:
These are symbols used to perform numerical operations like addition,subtraction, multiplication, division.

Expressions:
An expression is a combination of values, symbols and variables, operator's
16+2, 18-9 are expressions.

Statements: A statement is a unit of code that a python interpreter can execute.
Eg print statement and assignment statement.
Statements do not contain values while expressions do.

In Python there are different ways in which you can write your code. Either in the interactive mode or script mode.
Interactive: You write directly in the interpreter thereby make the interpreter execute your code line by line.

>>> pizza = 2.0
>>>people = 8.0
>>>shared_pizza = pizza/people
>>>print(shared_pizza)
>>>0.25

So you can see that Python keeps track of every line in the interactive mode

Script: in script mode each computation performed on a line doesn't show but it's actually calculated but doesn't display it's self until you tell Python to.
The final answer would be displayed after running the program written in the editor.
This is unlike the interactive mode where a result would be displayed for every computation performed on a line.
A text-editor is usually used in script mode, and Python comes with that editor which also has a debugger.

pizza = 2
shared = pizza * 8

After you run the code
16 would be printed on the IDLE interpreter.

Order of Operations:
PEMDAS
P: Parentheses
E: Exponentiation
M: Multiplication
D: Division
A: Addition
S: Subtraction
The first Operation takes precedence over the succeeding operation in an expression .

String operation: There are ways to manipulate string's both legal and illegal.
'school'/2 is an illegal operation. You can't divide a string

'school' * 2 is a valid operation which prints=> school school

There's a technique in programming called CONCATENATION. This means you can add two strings together to give the sum of the two strings
'spam' + 'spam' = spamspam

NB=> Anything​ enclosed in a single quote or double quote in python is called a string.

Eg. '32' is a string.
Since it's in a single quote python doesn't regard it as an integer

Comments
As you write complex programs, you'd need to know what a certain function does or what a certain variable stores just to remember. You'd be surprised 6 months later that you wouldn't be able to recognize your own code.
So this is where the comments shines.
A comment is created by using a # sign
#my_name is a comment which stores Bashorun
my_names = 'Bashorun'

When you run the following code, the python interpreter ignores the line that starts with a #

Bro, can we talk on whatsapp?

Basalt:
There is no Nigerian who studied in Nigeria that will claim that he is 100% innocent of exam malpractice, quote me anywhere.

I repeat, NO PERSON IN NIGERIA.

Everybody cheated in either one or all these exams
1. WAEC
2. common entrance
3. Jamb
4. Degree exams
5. Quiz

etc

And remember that even giraffing or asking questions during exam is cheating too

You're conflating terms. Malpractice is different from Misconduct. The former I've never done, but the latter...well

If you know, you know.

pneumaticos:
Hye
That blood sucking demon helps no man
al lah supports no marriage

Sense you no get.

swiz123:


If they couldn't afford taking a nice pre-wedding pics with good clothes, I fear for the marriage itself.


Dude couldn't afford N100 to shave his beards.

This is bad, it really is.

Modified :you can quote me all you want, I am not joining your bandwagon of hypocrites.

To the lady antibrutus, you ain't obliged to endorse my view. If my comment didn't give you an orgasm, then move over to the next.

At times I love playing the devil's advocate but sincerely I have to admit:

You need a brain transplant.

Funnystatus:
Who scored abeg

Don't mind those guys. It's own goal.

Shedrack777:
village boy. see the way he's looking at the steps so that he won't slip down the steps and fall down. typical village boy

Look closely. He is looking at the phone he is pressing. Or do you expect him to look elsewhere?

DavidEsq:
Hell! My argument was that they ain't the same. Drop that joint, pls and drink water. It's messing with u head.

lol weren't you saying God and Jesus had to be the same because they shared similar titles?

No joint. Maybe it's someone else.

Emusan:
Since you don't know Jesus preexisted His earthly mission, then it shows the level you can go to twist the scripture including those one you're quoting.

Humans don't preexist their birth. I was once a modalist and I can assure; I've studied all verses in the scripture which a trinitarian would use when trying to prove literal preexistence.

Figurative preexistence seems plausible judging by the number of times its used in the bible.

DavidEsq:
Wat line of reasoning again. Abeg I go chop. The food over sweet me, I com forget that line of reasoning wey u dey talk about

Arguing two different people must be the same simply because they share the same title.

HMDr:
perfect
so what are your conclusion or does raised up the dead means one is god.

Far from that. Jesus raising Lazarus doesn't make him God more than it makes others who raised people from the dead God too.

Acts 2:22 says it all.

alBHAGDADI:
You just keep saying trash. Why do you think satan can't tempt God? The same satan that has been opposing God?

He can tempt but he can't succeed.

The Bible is clear God cannot tempt and neither can he be tempted by anyone.

DavidEsq:
What type of saviours wr they? Saviours from sin or from the general dangers and pitfalls of life? That they were so named or so described did not mean they were not not same capacity with Jesus, as shown in Acts 4:12.

They're saviours and that's what matters. I'm not comparing them with Jesus. I'm simply pointing out the error in employing that line of reasoning.

Emusan:
Was Jesus started to exist on earth or He existed in heaven before He came to earth?



Was Jesus appointed heir of anything while in heaven or only when He was on earth?

This is the problem you people have with the scripture, inability to distinguish when Bible is talking about The Word of God (Jesus) in heaven and His mission on earth which He achieved through Human nature.



This is how you people always twist the scripture.

Jesus didn't say He 'RECEIVED GLORY' but He 'HAD/SHARED GLORY' with the Father BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN

NOTE: This thing happened even before the WORLD began!

How can a being shared glory with God if the being isn't God?

//Was Jesus started to exist on earth or He existed in heaven before He came to earth?//

His existence began on earth. Humans don't preexist their birth.

//Was Jesus appointed heir of anything while in heaven or only when He was on earth?
This is the problem you people have with the scripture, inability to distinguish when Bible is talking about The Word of God (Jesus) in heaven and His mission on earth which He achieved through Human nature.//

Do you know when? I know. But do you?
Do you know when your god was appointed heir to all things?
That should give you a flash.


//This is how you people always twist the scripture.
Jesus didn't say He 'RECEIVED GLORY' but He 'HAD/SHARED GLORY' with the Father BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN
NOTE: This thing happened even before the WORLD began!
How can a being shared glory with God if the being isn't God?//

I'm not twisting anything. Jesus asked the father to glorify him with the glory he had with him before the world began. This is glory in prospect and that's the coherent way to understand it. Then moving a couple of verses forward he clearly said:


John 17:22
[22]And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

Which glory was he given and which one did he give them?

BlueScholar:
God didn't enter the burning bush, he just use it as a medium to talk with Moses just as we use phones/internet as a medium to talk with each other

Good point. I think the problem with argument these days is because people refuse to accurately define the words they use.

Saying God being manifest through a burning bush implies he had to be physically appear there is a limitation on his power.

Like your analogy above he can simply choose to talk through the burning bush while in heaven.

HMDr:
Jesus was not the only prophet that raised up the dead prophet musa (alayhis salam) did the same thing and this time it was 70 isrealites he brought back to life. only by the will of allah
so if you regard Jesus as god based on the fact that he resurrected on dead person then what should prophet musa (alayhis Salam) be called..... godfather? come on wake up this is 21ST Century

Accounts of people raised from the dead:

1. Elijah raised the son of the Zarephath widow from the dead (1 Kings 17:17-22 ).

2. Elisha raised the son of the Shunammite woman from the dead ( 2 Kings 4:32-35 ).

3. A man was raised from the dead when his body touched Elisha’s bones (2 Kings 13:20, 21).

DavidEsq:
Those person described as "king of kings" are world powers. American government today is one of such. They have strong authority and power to demote, suppress or even destroy oda kings (rulers). Daniel 2:37 clearly describes Nebuchadnezer as such. Besides, sharing title with anoda does not amount to having the same authority as dat oda

This is special pleading. Using proof texting, I can simply deify a bunch of folks in the scripture simply because they share the same title with God.
You realize the bible says God is the only saviour but there are other verses in scriptures where God raises other humans as saviours to accomplish his will.

alBHAGDADI:
The request to be glorified shows that he had cast aside his glory and was on earth walking with humans. He longed for when He will return and wear the glory again.

Mind you, glory is different from glory. If Jesus said all that the Father has are His, then it means if God can control the angels, He can as well. Where did you see the disciples controlling the angels? Can you now see that glory is different from glory?

I assume you have evidence showing he cast his glory aside? Otherwise this is just circular reasoning.
The bible says Jesus was appointed heir of all things.
Flash news: If you're God no one appoints you heir of anything because you own it already. How can you be appointed heir to something you already have?
Appoint means you did not have it before. God has everything before time and space. You see this?
Ask yourself: how does the eternal God who owns everything gets appointed something from God? or from someone else?

As regards your last point there's no argument here at all. Jesus requested for the same glory which he received from the father to be given to the disciples as well.

Using your logic they must be Gods too.

alBHAGDADI:
6. Does God share his glory?

Quran

Sura 57:1
All that is in the heavens and the earth extols the glory of Allah.1 He is the Most Mighty, the Most Wise.

In the old testament, we see God saying He will not give His Glory to another.

Isaiah 42:7
"I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to anyone else, nor share my praise with carved idols.

Clearly, no Prophet will say he will be glorified with God let alone say he had glory with God before the world was created. But that is what Jesus said.

John 17:5
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

Is this the sort of thing prophets say?

WHY DO WE WORSHIP JESUS?

We worship him not only cos he showed us that he is God, but cos he also said that we should honor him just as we honor his Father and that everything that belong to the Father are his. Is that what prophets say?

John 16:15
ALL THAT BELONGS TO THE FATHER IS MINE. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you."

More

John 5:21-23
For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.
Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,
THAT ALL MAY honor THE SON JUST AS THEY HONOR THE FATHER. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

We give him praise and worship since that is one of the ways we honor the Father.

His statements in the verse above show that he demanded worship. That's why his followers worshipped him on numerous occasions.

Mathew 2:11, Mathew 14:33, John 9:38, Mathew 28:17, Luke 24:52

His disciple Thomas even addressed him as My Lord and my God

John 20:28
Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

So, where did Jesus say "I am God worship me"?

As we have seen, he has called himself the forgiver of sins, the resurrection, the truth, the final judge, the one who has glory with God and demanded we honor him the same way we honor the Father.

These are not the claims of a man, not even the claims of a mighty prophet. These are the claims only God can make. And this is why Christians believe that Jesus is God and worship him.

Next week, I will show you How God can die. Stay tuned.

No point here at all.

Firstly you are cherry picking verses out of context. If you read the context of the verses you cited you'd see that it's about God refusing to share his glory with idols and fallen gods.

Jesus requested to be glorified. This negates your argument. You don't request for something you already have and isn't it awkward that this same glory was given to the disciples?

Read it and weep..

John 17:22
[22]And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

alBHAGDADI:
2. Who can forgive sins?

Jews, christians and Muslims all believers that it is only God that can forgive sins. We see that in the Quran verse below

Sura (3:135) These are the ones who, when they commit any indecency and wrong against themselves, instantly remember Allah and implore forgiveness for their sins - for who will forgive sins save Allah? - and who do not wilfully persist in the wrong they did.

Now, if it is only God that can forgive sins, should a mere Prophet claim to forgive sins also? In the Bible verse below, we see the religious leaders startled when Jesus forgave the sins of a crippled man. They were startled cos they knew it is only God that can do such, so they said he was blaspheming. Jesus made it clear to them that a mere human can open his mouth to say I forgive you of your sin, but only a God can forgive you and restore what your sin deprived you of.

Mark 2:5-12
When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, “Son, your sins are forgiven.”
Now some teachers of the law were sitting there, thinking to themselves,
“Why does this fellow talk like that? He’s blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”
Immediately Jesus knew in his spirit that this was what they were thinking in their hearts, and he said to them, “Why are you thinking these things? Which is easier: to say to this paralyzed man, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up, take your mat and walk’? But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.” So he said to the man, “I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home.” He got up, took his mat and walked out in full view of them all. This amazed everyone and they praised God, saying, “We have never seen anything like this!”

You see Jesus forgave sins, something the Quran says only God has the authority to do. Isn't this Jesus showing that he is God?

3. Who is our final judge?

Old Testament

Joel 3:12
"Let the nations be roused; let them advance into the Valley of Jehoshaphat, for there I will sit to judge all the nations on every side.

More

Psalm 9:7-8
The LORD reigns forever; 7
he has established his throne for judgment.
He rules the world in righteousness 8
and judges the peoples with equity.

Quran
22:56) On that Day all sovereignty shall be Allah's and He will judge among them. Then those who believed and acted righteously shall be in Gardens of Bliss.
(22:57) A humiliating chastisement awaits those who disbelieved and denied Our Signs.

If both the Bible and the Quran agree that God is the final judge of humans, should a mere prophet claim to be the final judge? That is what Jesus Christ did in the verse below. He made it clear that he will be the one to judge.

Matthew 25:31-32
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

Proof texting is just unacceptable and it's considered fallacious in debate. Just because two different people are designated with similar traits does not imply they are the same entity.

Jesus admits he received authority from God. The fact that he had to receive authority to do all what he did implies he cannot be on par equal with God.

The almighty has all power and authority. It's already native to him. Jesus also grants that authority to his disciples as well.

To forgive sins:

John 20:23
[23]Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

And to judge:
Matthew 19:27-28
[27]Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
[28]And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

alBHAGDADI:
It is common these days to see people posing a question to Christians on social media and even in debates with the question always in one same manner. The question usually comes from Atheists, Jews, Muslims and even heretic Christians. They wonder why we see Jesus as God and worship him.

So they ask "Show me Where Jesus said "I am God worship me?" in those exact words.

You might become confused at this moment if you are not smart. Yes, you know you can't find anywhere in the Bible where Jesus said such in those exact words, so you might be quick to quote some classical verses that show Jesus Christ is God.

Well, the person asking that question has been trained in such a way that no matter the amount of verses you quote, he won't believe you unless you show him where Jesus said "I am God worship me" in those exact words. Now he has boxed you in the "exact words" corner. The only way you can get out is to pull him into the corner to make him see how stupid it is dealing with exact words. I bet you, he will be the one to open the door for the both of you to leave the corner once he realises how stupid it is. How do you do that? You flip the question back at him. You say...

"I'll be willing to show where Jesus said 'I am God worship me' in those exact words only if you can show me where he said 'I am only a prophet, do not worship me' in those exact same words. At that moment, he will start to realise the error of requesting for exact same words. To stamp it on him, if he's a Muslim that believes according to the Quran that Jesus was born of a virgin, then ask him to show you in the Quran or Bible where Jesus said "I am born of a virgin" in those exact same words. If he can't, then it means his belief that Jesus was born of a virgin is false.

The idea behind the above is to ensure you are not dealing with exact words. If the Jew, atheist, Muslim or heretic Christian can't show you anywhere in the Bible or Quran or any book where Jesus said these exact words "I am only a prophet, do not worship me" or "I am born of a virgin", then it means he shouldn't require of you to show him where Jesus said the exact same words "I am God worship me".

Once you have passed that, you can now ask a more reasonable question.

WHERE AND HOW DID JESUS CLAIM TO BE GOD?

According to the Jews, Christians and Muslims, there are certain claims only God can make. All 3 religious beliefs hold the same view about God in that regard. That is why I am going to use the Old Testament, the New Testament and the Quran to see if Jesus made claims that only God can make.

1. Who is the "First and the Last"?

Let's start by quoting the Quran

Sura 57:3
He is the FIRST and the LAST, and the Outward (His signs appear on all His creatures) and the Inward (Hidden). And He is the All-Knower of everything.

Now let's read from the Old Testament

Isaiah 44:6
New International Version
"This is what the LORD says-- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the FIRST and I am the LAST; apart from me there is no God.

Since both the Quran and the Bible agree that God is the First and the Last, should a prophet refer to himself as such? But that is what Jesus Christ did in the verse below.

Revelations 1:17-18
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the FIRST and the LAST. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

Can you tell us what Jesus meant when he took a title that can only be applied to God and applied it to himself? If he wasn't claiming to be God, then what was he doing?

God shares titles with men. I can mention at least three people in the bible who are designated with the title "King of kings".

Olumyyde:
Hi Vecto, how long does it take to charge fully on the average?

Let's say 4hours.

jiksman3:
Not true.....it takes 1hr 30mins to full

How much did you buy yours?

jiksman3:
Thats how we row.....super battery phone

The phone has battery but it takes too much time to charge. Even with fast chargers.