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Whereas, we can see that God gave all reasonable men jurisdiction to hear and determine any matter or dispute which they see or hear, hence the origin and jurisdiction of the jury system of judgment.

For tbe jury system is supposed to be the convening of The Natural Law Courts where all things are judged in accordance with Natural Law and Natural Just is and Procedure by the people of the community themselves.

Which is something which resembles what we have been deceived to call democracy, but it is not democracy for democracy is a scam and a deceit doing exactly what legal did to Law.

And it is from here that communities then created their own local and native "laws' of customs and traditions that is supposed to be good for members of their community. So now we see the origin of our local traditions and custon and the power and right and jurisdiction they had to control our communities, before those white bandits came and scattered everything after they had already perfected their own established unlawfulness, came unlawfully, and unlawfully took over our lands and unlawfully ruled over us and anlawfully taught us their unlawfullness which they called democracy..

Meanwhile, The Law had Said "Action does not arise from an unlawful cause/Fraud, deceit, misrepresentation, violence and duress corrupts all"

So you see why there can never be Law and Just is in government and government institutions like the courts (from the Magistrate to supreme court) or the police or customs, firs, road safety etc?

And this where we see the origin of Natural Law Courts evilly and fearfully tagged by devils as jungle justice/ mob action.

For in that Court, devils and all lawbreakers will be found guilty.and they shall receive their due punishment for every evil they have done.

And that is why they went to create their own courts and their own fake laws called legal, both of which you see today.

Which is why their courts can never fully apply The Law nor can tbey do just is. For if Law is truly apllied, from the president or king to the politician and from the army to the police, all of them shall be declared unlawfull by The Law
"Action does not arise from an unlawful cause/Fraud corrupts all"

So you see, all the actions of.government from 1956 till date are illegal, (as legallers would shout) unlawful and null and void.

Which is everything that both the ruler and the ruled can do.can be rendered and found null and void, and there is no just is there.

oteneaaron:
Thank you for your kind words.

I agree that finding out the truth about Gnosticism is a big blessing.

If only billions of literalist Christians today could study the past and learn about the true origins of Christianity...!

Just like cooking, too many books spoil the knowledge.

Secondly, on The flood, i pointed out that the mere fact Tell magazine is older than this day newspaper does not mean its report is truer than this day's newspaper's report. So, it goes to your ability to.discern Truth, which you are deficient in.

Else you would have known that you are committing a fallacy of "it is true because it was written (hearsay even) by the Sumerians" l like the people of Summeria did not lie and cannot lie.

Truth, is Truth regardless of old age or a day old.

KnownUnknown:
Your views are contraventions of reality so they are nonsense.

Now you show that atheists are also Liars in addition to their other bad and evil qualities for this thread clearly shows i answered you.with realeeyeity and you could not answer. So you are the one who speaks nonsense.

Tourist42:
Or there is an inconsistency somewhere? Someone who always wanted to kill you , all of a sudden wants to save you. Where is d logic in dis? *One must be wrong!, de can't coexist!! One negates the other....

That is what getting played and real eyesing too late means. Is that not what you see in movies when the agent sets up a terrorists while the terrorist thought his plans was going well until he sees too late that his plans is actually the plan of the people trying to catch him?

Movies have shown you and you laugh and marvel at the outsmarting.

As i said, you are trying to blaspheme God by hiding it in questions.

KnownUnknown:
There’s nothing to answer. Your beliefs are nonsense.

You already answered showing you could not answer in showing why my beliefs are nonsense, whereas on the other hsnd you have proven that your belief, against my belief is nonsense, stupid and biased all borne out of your guilt and condemnation.

Tourist42:
This time around Satan doesn't want Christ to die??

That's what i said

"God played Satan and used his kill-kill against him, which Satan only real eyesed too late."

Same thing we see in Cain who simply pleaded The Law of Fair Hearing (Double Jeopardy) that "An accused should not be punished twice for the same offence" since God has already exercised Jurisdiction over his case, so let not man seeing or hearing about his evil act not come and also do Law upon him by killing him because they have seen and heard that he had wickedly killed his brother.

So you see God acting under Law and Procedurei

LordReed:
Story. Quote the Bible verse. LoLz.

Story! You already know the Bible clearly Said that Isreal shall be removed from the Land God gave them and they shall return to it again as we all saw happen in 1947. So, you cannot validly argue.

Tourist42:
If Satan was after Jesus' life, wat was now the wrong of Peter as he was trying to prevent the arrest of Jesus? Why would he be called "*Satan" as he wanted to stop Jesus arrest due to his care for Christ at this point?

On the surface, you see care for Christ, whereas, underneath, it is a thwarting of God's Plan as Satan has always done as i have

Which is why we see The Law in play in Genesis even though it was not Written.

Thus we see The Law of fair hearing, where we see the accused, Adam male and female are presumed innocent until proven"

And then the accused is lnformed of his offence (Hast thou eaten of the fruit which i commanded you not to eat?

Then the accused confesses to his crime (thereby discharging God, The Prosecutor of the need of proving the fact and Truth of Adam's crime) and implicates another who gets her own fair hearing getting a "hast thou done this?"

Then she implicares a known criminal who is known to The Court to be a criminal who goes about getting people to commit crime (Judicial Notice) so presumption of guilt and guilt is immediately.entered especially as the criminal did not object to the accusation (neither could he deny it because nobody can Lie to God's Face) so, criminal is found guilty.

Then judgment on the Truth of the case is entered for God saw that Adam only disobeyed because he wanted to make his wife happy so he listened and obeyed her.

Whereas the wife believed Satan and loved the ideas he sold to her and she.bought it just like an unfathfull wife buys the ideas of her toasters.

So, she committed more crimes of Greed, unfaithfulness, betrayal and rejection/abandonment of God and male Adam in her bid to commit this crime before she found out too late that what her toster, Satan said was a lie.

Then she commits more crimes after that for because of her and by her, the whole human world is killed by death. First world wide mass murderer.

So in addition to her crimes of disobedience and unfaithfulness, she then murdered all of God's children not yet born. Abortion.

That is why God did not conclude her cased but just reeled out some interim judgments case for her.crimes are still loading and have not yet concluded and so He adjourned her case sine die

And that is why we see the phenomenon of what people describe as God hates Women

So, you see, so many rules of Law and procedure and practice we have today were also present and in play at Genesis, even though no Law and procedure was written .

Lawyers trace that the origin of Law and Law practice can be seen even from the beginning in the Garden of Eden.

First, we see Laws are given eg "Night and Day, h "Be fruitful and multiply; earth bring forth grass and living creatures including man.after their kind etc

Then in relation to man "Thou shalt be male and female (not transgender, binary and all those fabrications which man has invented upon himself); be fruitfull, multiply, replenish...

Thou shalt eat every green herb (no flesh at first);

Then the first "Thou shalt not", which is the popular "thou shalt not eat the fruit of the Tree of good and evil"

So, first you see The Laws we all see and have come to kbow were Set by God and even given and in place even before plants and animals and man were even created.

Which is why legallers (lawyers trained to see only the commands and procedure which their kings have given as laws but is fake law) say "everything must be lawed" (whether the orders comes from a ruler who sits lawfully or not eg bandits, invaders aka colonialists, soldiers, ambitious power hungry men aka politicians etc. And this is where the legallers conveniently forget The Law, "Action does not arise from an unlawful cause/Fraud corrupts all/Some thing placed on no thing, does not stand"

Whereas everything has already been Lawed by God even before man was created

Which is why even before Ur and their King Hammurabi fabricated his own adulterated laws (said to be the oldest man made laws and origin/basis of constitutions and codes as made by unlawful rulers/lawful rulers today) Laws regarding Rights, Obligations, Offences Contracts, Marriage, Inheritance, Rights of children, judgment of disputes etc were already being practiced, upheld and respected in areas older than Ur.eg Kish and Uruk.

All practicing Law and Just is without any code or constitution because God has already set The Law and every man born grows to see it and know it and learn it, even though it was not Written.

budaatum:
Those who work in banks are not slaves, and actually beg for their jobs in banks, and wouldn't be hired if they lacked knowledge.

The bankers have already confessed that they are slaves. So end of the road for you.

budaatum:
But this is not about banks, but about a story in a book that does describe the naked ignorant slavery of Adam and Eve and how Eve freed them from it.

And the bible shows us free blessed Adam male and female who female Adam foolishly and fatally believed the lies which a devil like you sold and she killed a whole world because she stole and took what was not given to her.

LordReed:
LoLz! I thought you said Nostradamus ws vague but you know the Bible prophesy is just as vague that's why you won't quote the place. Bwahahahahahaha!

You are just showing you the lying pretensious devil that you are for you already know like everyone else that It is clear and specific enough when someone says Peter Obi shall be president of Nigeria or that Abuja shall be destroyed in an earthquake.

And that it id vague to say like Nostradanus that "a president in nigeria shall be assasinated". You already know that but because you are truly Satan's false prophet (or satan hinsellf) you must lie and pretend not to know that it is clear and specific enough when someone says "Isreal shall return to.her land again"

Tourist42:
The point is Peter(*used by Satan) wanted to stop Christ from going to the Cross, which was against God's plan of Jesus going to the Cross.
Buh in the case of Judas and even Peter(*also used by Satan to betray Christ), you would notice that this action facilitated Christ going to the Cross.

Did Satan change is mind or what? Or are they two different Satan here? Was he taking two sides or what? How do u reconcile this two different workings with the fact that Satan is seen as a transgressor of God's plan?

Did i not explain and show you satan's moves developed to program of kill-kill?

And that he ochestrated.several plans of murdering Christ as proven by Herod's search for the baby, Jesus?

And that God used Satan's kill kill plan to His own advantage which is why we satan trying to use Peter to stop it, hence you rightly observed that he "changed his mind".

But, you did not ask "from what?"

Your comment to the other devil with the name of Satan already reveals that you are planning to say that the bible is contradictory, whereas, it is not and you even know it and. i have just explained this differences/what transpired between the 2 cases.

But the evil in you just like what happened to peter and judas will not let see it and will keep pushing you to do evil as you resist and only stops after you have done.the evil.

We have all experienced this so you ought to.understand the bible if you Truly wanted to understand it.

KnownUnknown:
Lol, try again.

See, you cant answer yet again, stop trying. LLL

KnownUnknown:
More rubbish, especially the word “blasphemy”. Lmao

In description of what you spill

KnownUnknown:
I’m akin to the French from centuries past who took their gunboats and ships to conquer new territories. After conquering the territories, they disposed of the religious institutions and artifacts, and termed those systems of belief “jou jou”, which is French for “plaything”
No arguments were needed and they were right to call those systems “jou jou”. Even the descendants of the conquered now call those systems of belief “juju”.

It’s in the same vein I call the demented Jew shit you believe in “jou jou”, and there is no argument to be had because the Eurocentric Jew “jou jou” you believe in has the same efficacy as the systems the French termed juju.

Rubbish is rubbish, no matter how convinced you are. Even Scientologists are convinced about their religion that was just created in the 1970s but their convictions mean nothing. Just like yours.

The french conquered jou jou with their guns. But i sunk your stupid ships with simple ordinary and common sense which you have not been able to rebuild since.

Which is why.you have been howling and hurling insalts and blasphemies like soldiers whose ships were blown up hanging on the pieces of their blown up ships for life.

Rubbish is rubbish and all rubbish are all fallible yet, you could not fallt ours hence why you have resorted to insalts and abuse forgetting "he who establishes his arguments by insalts and abuse proves his reasons ARE WEAK AND BASELESS".

budaatum:
Now think carefully about what you wrote above.

Would Egyptians not have afflicted their slaves by depriving them of knowledge?

If you had thought it properly, then you would have remembered that your education or lack of it does not prevent a person from being inslaved as proven by those who work in banks and places where they are not even allowed to take calls. And the slaves who work there have knowledge

KnownUnknown:
It being absolute rubbish is the fault with it. For Bleep sake, you believe something called a ghost impregnated a girl who then gave birth to a superhuman who got killed for something called sin, which is an offense against the psychotic god of the Hebrews.

What’s there to argue about?! Lol.

All rubbishes are fallable, yet you could not fallt any to the point now that you are desperately trying.to raised up another set of arguments which have been settled in other threads all because you could not refute the last one, in proof you have nothing reasonable and valid to complain about our stands and most especially because they clearly prove that you are evil and liable to be condemned in whatever punishment that will do just is to all the evils and blasphemies you have done to every eye and tooth and hand you have taken is restored.

Petalss:
What happens to the one on line before the next in line?

Anything, He can relinquish throne or graciously.pass it on to the next or reduce his domain so that the others can rule or add new territories so that the others can rule, and such other possibilities as is possible.

budaatum:
Guess I don't need to listen to those who can't bother to spell my name right, but if you knew anything you'd wonder if the Egyptians owned the garden, and Adam and Eve their slaves, since those keeping them Ignorant already ensured they lack freedom.

If you were sane you would have known that the Egyptians did own gardens and they stood over afflicting their slaves.

KnownUnknown:
Your standings are absolute rubbish.

Yet you could not reasonably and validly fallt it.

Tourist42:
Please someone should help me make sense of this, let's discuss this here, no sentiment,no foul.

Yes, according to Christian belief, the Devil was involved in both the cases of Peter and Judas. It is understood that the Devil played a role in tempting and influencing their actions.

In the case of Peter, as mentioned earlier, Jesus referred to him as "Satan" in Matthew 16:23. This indicates that Peter was influenced by a temptation or a mindset that aligned more with human concerns rather than the concerns of God. While the extent and nature of the Devil's involvement in Peter's specific actions are not clarified in the biblical text, it can be inferred that the Devil may have used his weaknesses and fears to tempt him to act not according to God's will (but the emphasis here is that the Devil used him, in this context didn't want Christ to go to the cross).

Similarly, in the case of Judas, it is stated that Satan entered into him before he betrayed Jesus (Luke 22:3). This suggests a direct involvement of the Devil in influencing Judas' decision to betray Jesus to the religious authorities. The motive behind the Devil's involvement in Judas' actions is not explicitly mentioned, but it can be understood as an a[b]ttempt to "facilitate?" God's plan [/b]and bring about the arrest and crucifixion of Jesus.

Ok i understand you now.

This is where you.see God is a great chess SuperMaster and His moves are the most dynamic and complicated scramble which no man can easily replucate.

What people do not appreciate is that God has been playing chess with satan and therefore knows every move satan must make for he has done them before eg God created Adam male and female holy, but satan comes in and spoils God's Plans and corrupts them especially, the seed processor.(woman) and planted his own evil seeds eg Cain.

Same thing he did again using Sarah's wife to corrupt Abraham's seeds and now mass murderers and bandits are terrorising the whole world.

Now God blocked his his usual move of defilement of women and so satan now had to move to murder and killing of God's children appointed to fulfil His Good Plans of saving man from destruction since he could no defile God's Chosen women ot get them to absorb his seed in themselves as proven by Satan's searching for Moses to murder him and spoil God's Plans as usual.

Same thing he did again to Mary and Jesus. (i can see the several moves Satan would have made to get her to lose her virginity or get her to have sex with one of his evil seeds etc)

So, now, we see God played Satan and used his kill-kill against him, which Satan only real eyesed too late. So in Peter you see him trying to his plan but his plan of murdering Christ was already cast and in motion and irreversible for he had already prepared the murder of Christ and had ready activated and implanted him in Christ's close company to anything that will thwart God's Plans!

KnownUnknown:
I wouldn’t waste time rebutting the existence of mythological characters when summary dismissal of the argument is the only rational response.

You already wasted time trying to rebut but failing everytime we answer back which is why you start insalting as you see you cannot argue as already proven here. So, leave matter, You cannot validly rebut our
standings.

Petalss:
What happens before a new King reigns? Can we have multiple kings in one kingdom?

Is that not why we have "next in line for the throne"?

budaatum:
Adam and Eve were "not already gods". They were naked ignorant slaves who were made to work in the Garden of Eden.

Ref: https://www.nairaland.com/6795272/reeves-pass#106610434

You call people who had no tasks masters like the Egyptians did to the hebrews and were free to even disobey, slaves? Badatom, i have always told you that you have gone mad.

KnownUnknown:
Arguing with you lot is like arguing about the existence of Humpty Dumpty. There’s nothing to argue about. Your beliefs are baseless nonsense regardless of how convinced of it you are.

Yet you are not able to rebut our arguments, clearly proving that you are the ones who are baseless which is why you start insalting when.you.see you cannot argue.

Do you see the imbalanced mind of polyamist and polygamy advocates?

MrBrownJay1:
furthermore, asking polygamous men if they would let their wives have multiple husband is unintelligent. polygamous men look for multiple women to be with ONE husband, just like polyandrous women look for multiple men to be with ONE WIFE.

But they do not allow their own wives to be polyandrous. It is only good if its other people's wives.

KnownUnknown:
I find it hilarious how you demented lot dish out insults but cry when it’s returned to you.

See how you still insult some more even when i did not insult you today, And it is rather you evil lots who start insulting whenever you see that you cannot reasonably argue or ptove your case.

Stiil the same thing that happened to.Sodom and Gomo

GEN. 18. 20, 21. And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me: and if not, I will know.

Tourist42:
Pls how can all this be reconciled with the belief that Satan is "evil"... I guess the Devil was confused?
What are some other implications of this narrative?

If your neighbour takes you to a place where you get kidnapped, what would you.call him?

Or if someome you talk to lies to.you about giving you something you desperately.wanted only.for you to.get into.trouble what do.you you call that person good?