₦airaland Forum

tensor777: Well now you are being real for a start which is just cool.
However every organization has rules which the members have to abide by.
You don't know what the pastor or General Overseer saw or heard before he introduced those rules.
We can't just assume that he was just being mean or rigid. Besides every ministry is different. I would imagine that teaching ministries and Deliverance would be much more strict in their interpretation of the word of God compared to the conventional Orthodox churches in Nigeria.

It is not about what my GO said don't you get it. It is what the Word of God says.
And I don't go there cause I want to. It's cause I m compelled to.

frosbel: Even on nairaland they are trying to control you and tell you what you should DO.

I advice you to REFUSE to be intimidated by these religious Pharisees.

They operate through bullying , fear , control and manipulating the word of GOD.

Thank you jare.

tensor777: That is where you've got it wrong.God operates the headship principle. Meaning for example that if God has geneal information and instructions to the congregation,His message is relayed to the Pastor.
But the post was directed at vicky so don't quote me so we don't derail again.

The early church in the Bible was based solely on Christ's teaching and through the Holy Spirit and there was unity.
There's no more unity cause many people have been brain washed by the doctrines of men.

My God is not an author of confusion, why should He tell Pastor A, B and tell Pastor B, A on the same issue?
Think for yourself, read the scriptures, pray to God and renew your mind in accordance with the Bible.
If you do this, the truth will locate you.

tensor777: The thing is Vicky we all need to guard against arrogance ,complacency and having an unteachable spirit I can see a spirit of pride and rebellion running through this thread.
Its not enough to quote sciptures and say the Holy Spirit should be the guide. Fine but you also need to listen and obey constituted authority in the household of God.

How have I acted unteachable??
Haven't you seen my posts thanking people for their explanation and views?
Rebellion and pride is far from me.
I attend a church wear you must tie your hair, remove your jewelries and wear skirts. I obey the rules but I am not blinded by it.
I am just anti hypocrites.
I do no like hypocrisy.
Not all Churches ban trouser wearing, in fact only few ban it.
And they go about thinking that they are the true churches available.
Deception upon deception.

[quote author=Dux-01]Vicko i beg you in the name of Jesus christ pray on this trouser issue.evrione defendn u nw will nt be able to talk on that day.it will just be you and God. if your dressing is sentencing souls to hell know that you have already made all your eternal reservations in hell- pst E A adeboye.if your dressing is causing lust and you know and can do sumtin abt it but choose nt to,do u really tink u will make it to heaven?if you have done your best by dressing decently and the lust still persists then God will know that it is not your fault but if a girl is wearing a cloth that will accentuate her curves and she says the men who lust after her r sinners well she r ryt but that will not cause God's judgement not to come upon her pls think abt this deeply.[/quote]Thank you for being sensible in your post to me.

No one has ever, I repeat ever come to tell me that my dressing seduces them.
Girls who are endowed heavily can't hide their body attributes. even if they wear the largest shirts.
So it's a matter you men should look into.
Lust of the heart is what is killing Christians especially the male.
Trouser is not a sin.
If God had stipulated a certain dress type for us, then I might have had a rethink.
But He didn't.
And since we have male shirts, trousers, hats, shoes, e.t.c.
And women also have theirs, it ain't a big deal.
Some clothing are unisex.
Have you ever seen woman on trousers and thought she was a man. Maybe tomboys.

I am 100% sure about this issue on trousers, I've prayed about it and the answer was revealed to me in the Word.

Logicboy03: Who are the true followers?

Why are they hard to find?

The true followers are those terrorists living in Iraq who when shown on CNN said, the best way to please Allah is by killing all unbelievers.
Muslims who do not support killings of non Muslims are false Muslims....They need to be schooled.

I did History in secondary school so I know a substantial truth about Prophet Mohammed and his cohort.
And I have read books on Islam.

..........

POPE II: Who like her lame post, come on people ....
@ Vicky I did not see you around for a while? Have you abandoned your crusade against the mother church?

I've got better things to do than to strain my fingers for unyielding souls.
[quote author=lana_Vello]seems somebody has learned some lessons [/quote]Yeah, I have.

texanomaly: we both have...right Vicky?

Yes o.........

Any message you want to pass across to me Pope II, post it in the Christian chat box.......
I don't want to get a second ban.
see ya.

POPE II: Humm , anyway how is your muslim friend doing?

He is not my friend. I don't know him.
And why are you stalking me ehn, Pope.
I stole something from you?

If fashion changes, and men start dressing like the Scottish all over the World and is seen as normal. If a man of God as you call them wears one, it's fine. Once they make it for men. Fashion is not static, it changes
If a man of this age goes back to the 7th century, they'll consider him strange. Why?
Answer that yourselves.

spencerwilliams: ur coment alone shows me dat u nid taming of d tongue,now wat waranted all these ungodly words,u even refer 2 someone as a chronic sinner,even ur reaction shows u lack d fruits of d spirit,nd dis is d same spirit dat tels u dat trousas ar normal 4 women 2 wear.how many of u doubtas has fasted nd ask d Holy Spirit 2 reveal 2 u d misery behind dis whole isue.Just simply pray nd ask him us jeremiah 33:3 nd u wil know d truth about dis,its nt time 2 argue because arguements can also lead 2 sin dat is what even made someone 2 label anoda person as a siner,which is nt supose 2 b so.if u want 2 corect someone don't insult him/her no body is beta dan anybody.So pray nd ask God.He will surely speak.God Bless U

Hi Spencer, your friend said I was carnal minded. Don't you think he also needs tongue taming?
He called me what I'm not.
I called him what he is a Chronic sinner. why? cause trousers on females makes him lust.

And tell me where in the Bible, we are told to call black, white or white black. I call things as they are. Check my posts.
So stop being sentimental and face the issue on ground. Hypocrite.

The Holy Spirit is in me, and I am a voracious believer.

And please mention the ungodly words.
Some people ehn........... nawa o.

POPE II: why ?
Do you have whatsapp?

Stop derailing....
I don't have.
Cause you did to my apology.

POPE II: ^

May you get banned.

Yeah........

@HBG
Sorry for stressing you out... You mods have a lot on your hands already.

We are not more serious with this.
Why na??
I want to beat Fhemmy na.

deledels: Tensor77,,,u r seriously talking off point,,,
Seems u r confused abt dis issue,,,so u r trying to manipulate ur way out,,,,
For your info,,,,christianity ddnt start in Nigeria,,,, & dose dat brought d religion do nt condemn women wearing trouser,,,so y u proving what is not,,,,u r saying its a sin 2 wear trouser,,,,,so dat invariably makes "women of faith" sinners,,,yet u sing dia song,,,,u listen 2 dia msgs,,,,,or u want 2tell us dat its right 4 white women 2 wear trousers bt wrng 4 Nigerian women,,,,,my broda,,plss set ursef free 4rm d shackles of religious fanatism!,,,wen d bible ws written,,,,eveybody ws putting on robe as at den,,,,,,bt dia were female robes & men robes,,(gown),,,so wen d bible says women shld nt put on what pertains to a man simply means - women,,do not wear a man's robe,,,bt now d robes are gone bt d law still stands in dis regard - women,, do not wear men's trouser,,men's shoe,,men's wristwatch,,,men's perfume,,,men's persume",,,I don't knw why you are particular abt trouser & yet you see notin wrong with a woman that wear a boxer short,,,,you really need to knw the truth,,,,
There is notin wrong in a woman puttin on a trouser provided its a female trouser!
Haibe,,,you are doing a good job!!

Thank you!!!!!!!
May God keep increasing you in knowledge, wisdom and understanding.

Timijo: The carnal mind cannot understand the things of the Spirit.
Keep on following the multitudes.

Shut up your mouth!!!!!!!
Who do you think you're talking to?
Your hearts have been padlocked by the doctrines of men and you dare call me follow follow.
You refuse to reason with the little sense God has giving you.
Talk of carnal mindedness.
Are you not the one saying A woman on trousers seduces you?
Isn't that being carnal?
Jesus said if you look at a woman lustfully, you are guilty of sin.
Chronic sinners telling me that I'm carnal.
Jesus didn't give conditions, e.g. naked women, half cladded women, fully clothed women, he said women, gbam! no conditions...
Don't you ever in your stay on NL, refer to me as a carnal minded person.
Chronic hypocrites.

The law they say has been abolished.
Jesus even said loving God, your neighbours and yourselves fulfills the law.
You hypocrites a re disobeying Christ.
If the law was capable of saving us, why should God bring Christ in the equation?
God at times changes his views about things. read^^^^
So who are you sandy bodied human to be so rigid in totally wrong issues?
The OT shows us life before Christ, NT shows life with Christ and in Christ and I tell you it is devoid of those insufficient laws.
I am no more under the law. And we Christians are no longer under the law.
Don't drag us back, God has moved on, and We must.
I doubt if you all are Christians, Judaism is your religion.
A big SMH for all of you.

haibe: Do you obey Deuteronomy 22:11? Isn't it a moral law too?

do you approve of planting different seeds in a farm?

Ask her to quote where the Bible says, so so so law is a moral law and all Christians must obey it.
The Bible says if you can't keep all then you're cursed.
And the verse she's clinging on to has no mention of trousers.
I keep wondering why some people choose chains (the laws) over fredom (grace).

SisterMe: Deut 22:[s][/s]5 refers to cross dressing male to female and female to male. The scripture did not mention trousers by name, however, as at 1920ish, EVERYBODY under English culture Could identify English trousers of whatever design as a male garment. The same with dresses and skirts. At that time a gale of women wearing trousers began, encouraged by the two world wars and lack of garments. Note however that godly women found a way around the problem without resorting to wearing trousers. IT WAS HERE THE ERROR COULD HAVE BEEN CLIPPED BUT WAS NOT BECAUSE IT HAD TO HAPPEN TO FULFILL THE SCRIPTURES ABOUT THE END TIMES. IF IT WAS WRONG THEN, AND THAT ERROR HAS PROPAGATED FOR almost 100 years , doesn't change the fact that it is still wrong now because God does not change, He never becomes "modern". He is the Ancient of Days, the same yesterday, today and forever.


Refer to my answer in 1) above. Plus the following. Lexicon encyclopaedia Volume 3 gives a pictorial evolution of male and female dressing over the ages. It states there that trousers were originally tights, worn by Italian and Spanish military men. They were designed for agility in war. Over years it loosened up into what we call trousers today, while female ball dresses which went down to the feet evolved into dresses and skirts today.


If I want to deceive you, I have to do something to make you think I am telling the truth. Satan's preparation of knicker -buggas for women and curving the trousers to highlight female curves is designed to fool you. To find out the truth, always go back to the beginning. That's the reason the book of Genesis was written.


It should not be done. Just because everyone is doing it does not make it right. Shirts with buttons in front, if you have never noticed, allows bossoms and bras to be visible from an angle through the shirt flap. Any woman conscious of God's Word that a man that looks at her lust fully is guilty of adultery, does not want to do anything that will encourage that because she knows that it takes TWO people to commit adultery...in order words if she encouraged it by her dressing, she is guilty too.



I have told you before, Deut 22:1-5 are moral laws that still apply today. Not everything written within the 5 books of Moses can be termed as "the law". Stealing is still a sin today, it was in the 10 commandments, the very epitome of the mosaic law.


Refer to my answer in 6) above.


Weather is no excuse. Even in the temperate regions, those who believe this do not wear trousers, even when the temperature is below zero. They pad up with long socks , thick hoses or leggings or tights underneath their dresses or skirts.


Well a disobedient daughter is a candidate of hell. I will worry, knowing what I know, if I were in their shoes. I can not tell you they are going to hell. Only God knows who will end up in hell, however, all things being equal, they are in prime position to land in hell.



Not true , at least for me. I know precisely what I believe and the truth of it.


Just because we know that God will judge the world by His Word and are trying to make sure we line up with His Word so we can pass Hs judgement doesn't make m a legalistic. I am only being careful and wise not to take God for granted. He will not respect me, nor your or anyone. He will only respect His Word. If His Word is truly made manifest in my life, then He will respect His Word in me.


I do not judge anyone, I only judge sin wherever I see it.


I am sure this does not apply to me. I know the relationship between dressing and culture and God, having studied this matter in detail years ago.


You do not want to go into this...we will derail the thread. Preaching against cross dressing is no a man made doctrine.




Check ou my comments too.

From your post, I can deduce that you believe button down shirts are inappropriate.
Hmmmmmmmm....

The Bible says, My people perish for lack of Knowledge.

Image123: Hmmm, you doubt that you insulted anyone, that's serious. What is your interpretation of Deut 22:5? -i do not recall calling you illogical though., i never mentioned a thing about hell or judgement, i wonder why you bring that up. i have no doctine. Kindly keep your understanding to yourself too and do not let it affect your emotions negatively with people not on the same page with you.

I never said you mentioned hell.
Point noted.

Image123: No, i did not misinteprete it. The interpretation is lmost straight forward. Folks like you are tryin to nullify it by bringing up other passages and calling others names like deluded, brainwashed, old etc. What is the/your interprettion of Deut 22:5?
how can you claim that i insulted others and say that you are not. Who did i insult and what was the insult na?

Trousers wasn't mentioned in that verse. You guys were trying to fit it into your notion.
Did I insult anyone? I doubt that.
You called me illogical at a point, it happens during arguments so I let it pass.
Well, let bygones be bygones.

You stick to your doctrine but please don't go about judging those who do not hold your views. They will not go to hell, why? cause the Bible never said trouser wearers won't inherit the Kingdom of God.
Keep your doctrine to yourself, preach the message of Christ, live a holy life and live in peace with all men. God bless you.

SisterMe: It won't be long now. You will find out. The coming of Christ will be in your lifetime ceteris paribus. It's quite sad that if you find out too late , it will be too bad. I wish you the best.

I'll love to see your face on that day also.
When you see me wearing my glorious crown.

And before It gets too late let me deal with the issue of revelation.

If God revealed something to you, note that it is just for you.
E.g. God told Abraham to go kill His son. He obeyed without telling anyone.
If he had told Sarah she'd have called him a mad man and discouraged him
If he had told his friends, they'd have discouraged him.
Does that makes Sarah a sinner? Nope.
He told no one, and God blessed him more due to his obedience.
Does this now mean Abraham should go about preaching that
the only way to get God's blessing is by trying to sacrifice your son?
No. that's why I said God deals with everyone according to their level of faith.
So if God tells you not to wear trousers, don't tell others about, carry your cross, obey him and he'll bless you just as he did Abraham.
Develop a personal relationship with God.
God tells some people not to marry, not to own properties, not to settle in a place, e.t.c
Does it mean people who do the opposite of the above are sinners? No, it doesn't...............

I'm quite tired and I hope you understand my little write up.

Trouser, skirt and other clothing aren't the sin, the flesh is.
Let's deal with the flesh and move on.

aManFromMars: Lol, don't visit the sexuality and ethnic/tribal section then.

I need to go there and cause a little trouble.
*zooms off*

[quote author=lana_Vello]getting banned seriously sucks..[/quote]Eyah, sorry.
It's good to have you back.



I waka go that romance section , the perverts wey full there, almost make person mental.

aManFromMars: Lmao. *massages neck with engine oil*

Make sure the engine oil reaches your Blue buttocks.....

haibe: lol, another funny assumption. . if Jesus was a girl?

A better assumption would be if Jesus was living in this age, will he condemn born again christians ladies who wear trousers to hell?

Abi...........

They do not have any thing to say jare.
Even the Deut. 22:5 they quote they lack knowledge explaining it.
The scripture doesn't relate to the topic still they hang on it.
I wonder where they saw trouser in that verse.

When you call them the name they deserve, they become defensive.
Bunch of hypocrites.

aManFromMars:

en eh, I see *nods head slowly*

aManFromMars: Indeed. You do your best to smother us with illogical thinking. YOU know how much we worship reason and logic.

Abeg no let my face turn green with laughter.

Joshthefirst: I hit them where it hurts.

Hmmm, I'm not so sure about that.

obadiah777: makes no difference if she wears scarf or not. the head covering in the bible is symbolism

I agree with Obadiah

aManFromMars: I'm beginning to like you.

You hated me before?

aManFromMars: Good thing he can't tell you.

Welcome back, outcast. This section was dull without you.

I've noticed guys in here pick on Josh a lot, why?