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jl115:
yeah... But also in the realms of the real world as confirmed by the WB, WEF and others

WB/WEF for the umpteenth is trash. This things are naked eye test and obviously the US is having a hard time competing.

jl115:
- firstly this is not a serious thread, so stop crying when I call you a ret@rd because you are being a ret@rd, secondly the point of a debate is not to accept the other person's opinion but to do the exact opposite otherwise its not even a debate.

- China has more homeless people by % and a higher number of people % wise and in totality that live in slums compared to the US.... Also again, the US ranks higher in terms of infrastructure than China.... This is a statistical fact, not an opinion

- I've provided you several sources that support every one of my arguments

U can make ur point without sounding so
Uncivilized.

The rest is drivel. I will give u facts and links if you can provide a single US city with a high speed train(Atleast lets start from there) otherwise zip it.

jl115:
you can screem it at the top of your lungs bru!!! Still doesn't change the fact that the US is still ahead of China in terms of infrastructure

That only exists in the realms of your imaginations.Even the west doesn’t believe their lies. U my friend is just a hopeless piece of lost trash. So incorrigible and hostile to reality.

Just30:
He still doesn't want to believe that China has overtaken US in all this infrastructure...

The US is sitting on a crumbling infrastructure with all it highways filled with crack and potholes, some filled with bitumen and asphalt on concrete...

It subways are refuge for destitutes and human shit

Exactly. U tools the words right outta my mouth

jl115:
if you can't understand what I meant by that then it's your own problem.....but let me make it simple... More population more infrastructure needed, less population less infrastructure needed. The US already has infrastructure in place that can cater for the majority of its citizens, yes they will also continue to build infrastructure, however they don't need to build infrastructure at the rate China does

You mean the ones that have deteriorated and continues deteriorate.

Mkenya2019:
Hunter, US infrastructure was great but it's crumbled due to disrepair - it very likely to find potholes in some US inner roads than even in RSA, water pipes are leaking, sewage system broken, the railway is more a relic, name it, it's old and crumbling. Infrastructure need to be maintained and or even replaced. For instance most roads have 20yr life span. That is why the idea that country cannot overtake another is ridiculous.

US infrastructures was the standard in late 20th century but Chinese infrastructures are the ones championing 21st century infrastructures standard.

jl115:
yeah great excuse for not having any facts to refute the fact that the US is 13th and China is still only 36th

WEF/WB is not fact just western denial. By the time they are done deluding themselves they would be struggling to compete with the like of Malaysia,Indonesia and the likes. Tell ur facts to show me a single high speed train in the supposed most developed nation on the earth. Let them also use that energy to show us their inner city road and families camping on the ground due to la k of affordable shelter.

jl115:
- Did I say you've called me names?? again maybe start reading properly if you can.....I said you've called people names on this thread several times before, I wasn't specifically talking about this single debate we are having, also if im uncultured and unmannered then you are the same so well done on that!!

Secondly there is no such thing as a naked I test, it's a ret@rded argument made by ret@rded people. China needs to develop it's infrastructure to keep up with its population the US doesn't, there infrastructure is already in place, and it works!! that's the point....hence all indexes prove that the US has better infrastructure quality than China. Nice building, nice trains ect ect doesn't always = better infrastructure

-We are talking about China....Nigeria on the other hand is still a sh1thole and will be a sh1thole for the foreseeable future

I told u to quit the name calling and in the same context you went ahead to say I have had my own share of name calling.is this just me or can’t I see how dumb you sound. Btw I was talking based on our conversation.u have no right to refer to my past altercation with other as you are not aware of what must of transpired between me and this other people. U inability to debate and accept people’s opinions in an argument switch out resorting to name calling speaks badly about ur upbringing and personality. Now that the crux of the matter.


Now back to our argument. US infrastructures keeps deteriorating whilst that of china keeps getting better. Perhaps u should inform US to try combating homelessness and useless tents all over their downtown cities or should we talk about the pungent smelling deteriorating subway stations with crappy archaic trains or the pf at that most inner cities is filled with flying trash and human poops on sidewalks. Heck what of the terrible roads. U must know this her things Chima has tried over the years to combat as their rural to urban migration is strictly control to avoid overwhelming urban infrastructures.

Nope Nigeria is getting better and once we hit a stable economic growth of atleast 5% annually which I envisage then SA will probably see dust as we would be moving Chinese kind or transformation. That way our economic growth can surpass our population growth which will see a ripple effect in our infrastructure.


3 days down the line and u are still struggling to provide any link from ur western propaganda butts to back your spurious claim that we would remain behind SA in infrastructure. Must be exhausting for u.

jl115:
Yeah typical.. can't even understand your own source!!

@0.42 of the video he states that the US is 13th in terms of infrastructure..........he was referring to this BTW:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/264753/ranking-of-countries-according-to-the-general-quality-of-infrastructure/

China are 36th.............

More western b.s publication. Perphaps you missed the part where he stated that the US transport sector plays second fiddle to that of china. Or the part where 2/3 of the world speed train emanates from china. Let go on how our knees in anticipation of the day the US will achieve half of that feat.

jl115:
- Listen bru, I ain't here to make friends....you've done your fair share of name calling so don't get on your high horse and act all mighty.....The fact is you have no evidence hence you resort to ridiculously calling the WEF and WB nonsense organizations.

Perhaps u can point me in the direction I called u name.
For starters I don’t your friendship,I was just hoping you’re be civilized. I guess I was mistaken ,as it’s evident in how uncultured and unmannered you are.
And yes WEF and WB are trash. Like I said earlier this things are naked eye test. Until
U can get me a single high speed train in the US or any airports that can compete with those new one in china,same with expressway and the likes then only will I take u and that western organizations seriously. The fact that New York,LA and most America first tier city looks rundown compared to 5th tier of her counterpart should tell u a lot. Like I said earlier,this things are naked eye test.
Like I told you several times before, get me evidence in the form of actual research and/or any other indexes that prove that China has over taken the US in terms of infrastructure.

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And if you read the sources you would of seen that population growth is the main cause of infrastructure challenges in the future, SA unlike many other African countries won't have that problem since our population growth is slowing...a lot!! Do you have any idea what Nigeria's population is going to be in 2050 and 2100?? So yeah that's 100% why Nigeria will never catch SA which is already light years ahead.

And I am saying those western reports probably said thesame thing about china’s pop and her infrastructures but fast forward today and china has pulled itself by the bootstrap and turned the table. Most be really hurtful.

jl115:
-You just as ret@rded as some of the Kenyans on this thread that wanted to compare Joburg and Nairobi based on photos alone...........unfortunately it doesn't work that way. Now you can cry as much as you like claiming China has better infrastructure however the facts on the ground prove otherwise, WEF, WB and all other research point the US being way above China. If you want to disprove this fact then bring me actual research!!! Not "it looks better in photos"

-It's not damage control, its the fact that you can't read!!

Funnily enough one of the reports I read was in fact a PWC report "PwC’s 2014 Trends, Challenges and Future Outlook: Capital Projects & Infrastructure in East, South & West Africa”

Building the future: infrastructure in Nigeria until 2040
"Nigeria’s basic physical infrastructure deficit severely undermines the country’s prospects
for economic growth and development. Looking to the future, rapid population growth will
compound the challenge of inadequate levels of access to basic infrastructure. On average,
Nigeria’s African and global income peers have more extensive and better road networks,
and better access to electricity, clean water and improved sanitation"

Maybe u might learn from the U.S secretary of transportation since u are quite incorrigible.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYOnRtuEpys

jl115:
-You just as ret@rded as some of the Kenyans on this thread that wanted to compare Joburg and Nairobi based on photos alone...........unfortunately it doesn't work that way. Now you can cry as much as you like claiming China has better infrastructure however the facts on the ground prove otherwise, WEF, WB and all other research point the US being way above China. If you want to disprove this fact then bring me actual research!!! Not "it looks better in photos"

I have tried my best to maintain civility while engaging u but for some reason you can’t tame that arrogant and gutter character in u as it is evident in the amount of name calling you keep oozing out which by the way speak lowly of your personality,be rest assured I can reciprocate back to put u in your place. Anyway that’s by the way . WEF and WB nonsense are organizations orchestrated and controlled by the west. Surely you don’t expect them to put the same china they once manipulated above them. Same way they have been living in den
.ial for close to a decade that china hasn’t surpassed them in economy (GDP nominal)

-It's not damage control, its the fact that you can't read!!

Funnily enough one of the reports I read was in fact a PWC report "PwC’s 2014 Trends, Challenges and Future Outlook: Capital Projects & Infrastructure in East, South & West Africa”

Building the future: infrastructure in Nigeria until 2040
"Nigeria’s basic physical infrastructure deficit severely undermines the country’s prospects
for economic growth and development. Looking to the future, rapid population growth will
compound the challenge of inadequate levels of access to basic infrastructure. On average,
Nigeria’s African and global income peers have more extensive and better road networks,
and better access to electricity, clean water and improved sanitation"

Again ur report did not say Nigeria’s infrastructure will forever e behind SA’s as u claimed’ .perhaps you need to book ur next eye section ASAP.
Btw I am pretty sure they were numerous reports like this making headlines on some newspapers and magazines about china but fast forward till today and the tables have changed.

jl115:
[b]- naked eye test? You dumb bro?..... Besides unlike you I've actually been to both the US and China and I can confirm the US has better quality infrastructure.

The u are not being honest or maybe u visited china 4 fracases back.I may have not been to china but I have been to the US and what I have seen there in comparison to videos of china I can tell without doubt that the US infrastructures is rather a baby joke. A look at downtown LA or New York and borough and testify to what I am saying. Don’t get me started on the terrible roads all over US cities even in their.

- I said my conclusion was based of reports like that of PWC..... Not once did j claim pwc said what u are accusing me of, hell the pwc report is about gdp and not even infrastructure, secondly there are many reports that predict massive Infrastructure problems in Africa due to population growth

Ignoring ur drivel an your attempt to play damage control,pls can you a provide a report that backs your spurious prediction on Nigeria’s infrastructure .

Address the elephant in the room. Pop is not the problem. If china could do it then we would as well. I hope this sink in this time.

jl115:
Every index that ranks infrastructure puts the US way above China......its not even close in fact. Now you can call it western propaganda or whatever but I don't give a fvck about your conspiracy theories.... Give me sources not your delusional opinions.

It’s common sense. This things are naked eye test. U do t expect the West to rate china above them, they’ve prefer to live in denial like the GDP THINGY. A look at America and then her counterpart and u can tell the US is miles behind. While u are observing let me know when the US will be getting a modern train,let say the like of hyperloop,high speed train,bullet train and all that.

And yes there are many reports stating how Nigeria's(and the rest of Africa for that matter) infrastructure will not keep up with its population growth in the future.... SA does not have that problem since our population growth is actually very slow.

If china with her ridiculous population could do it and get to where they are today so would we.
Btw I asked fir that pwc report that specifically said “Nigeria’s infrastructure will forever be behind SA’s”. Those were ur exact words,so pls follow through by kindly providing evidence otherwise eff the fvck up.
Thanks in advance.

Gichwawa254:
what do mean bruh by shma2020 sounds like your Yoruba deity you sure you ain't using juju on me, just let it go we both know what is what in lasgidi find time to fly a drone or I send you mine so you can see the chaos in ur streets ,you want to compare this n that mess I saw in that video scammer

This is definitely shma2020. U sound just like him and I am 1000000% sure u are him.

Gichwawa254:
wont say more than what Chinua Achebe said there was a country chai Naija even wheelbarrows on busy roads ,fellow Kenyans maybe this is what Ruto means by bottoms up wheelbarrow economics hahaha damn

@shma2020 can u see wheelbarrow in Mombasa

jl115:
USA ranks much higher than China in terms of infrastructure...........don't kid yourself.

Maybe I would have taken u seriously if newyork isn’t playing second fiddle to 4th tier Chinese cities. Don’t churn out western media propaganda borne out of living in denial.
Btw I am still waiting for that PWC report that said “Nigeria’s infrastructure will FOREVER be behind SA’s.

Gichwawa254:
Mr Abuja is developed than Mombasa n Accra know this know peace even me am telling you Abidjan is developed than Lagos n Abuja know this know peace Lagos n abuja is not your father's property

Lol I should have known earlier that this is you shma2020 ,albeit When I first saw this moniker on this thread an infinitesimal part of me felt that it was u but I casually brushed that thought off. Lol I can’t believe that all it took was one verbal ass whooping by rvp to send back into ur cave.
Save urself some energy and come out of ur hiding u pathetic little punk.

jl115:
nope I just base my posts of research from the likes of PWC and such

Pic told u Nigeria’s infrastructure will forever be behind SA. I guess that’s thesame thing they said about china and US .but see today despite china’s population US infrastructures is a joke compared to their. Pls check ur head sir.

Mkenya2019:
Why doesnt Mauritus or Rwanda pain me? I telling your the truth you do not want to hear. Your country is dealing with serious structural and systemic issues that wont be easy to solve.
1) Income Inequality - the World Worst - by far.
2) Poor education - poorer than even Ghana!
3) Immigration - 10M illegal immigrants from mostly Zim that doesnt look likely to fix their mess.
All that is manifesting in xenophobias, riots and crime - and of course out migration of skilled labour -

Focus on now and leave the future alone. Even imf/wb predictions fail most times. U my friend is just bitter to see that those country’s u expected to be doomed is picking up faster economically there widening the margin and make it even more harder to play catch up.

Gichwawa254:
OK if you say so coz haven't been to any of those cities in west Africa but the videos n pictures of 2021 say otherwise bruh Abidjan is good on the eyes than lasgidi n Acrra

Abuja vs Abidjan is a no-no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc-HegmFEIQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT0C7URG6-Q

Gichwawa254:
OK if you say so coz haven't been to any of those cities in west Africa but the videos n pictures of 2021 say otherwise bruh Abidjan is good on the eyes than lasgidi n Acrra

Pls Don’t make me laugh.Abidjan is dope but it has nothing on Lagos or Abuja.

This videos are just sneek peeks of a single street in Ikoyi cbd. “Alfred reward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K3Od8K5Kzs

Forget this guy’s analysis.some of it are false and screams laziness to reasearch. Enjoy the video tho.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op3_jFl_f2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj9wQKXdDXY

Some parts of banana island

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsRVqzzpvKI

jl115:
just posting the facts bru if it wasn't apparent to you before maybe it is now...... I don't kiss a$$ I don't give a fvck if its Kenya, Nigeria, Ghana or who ever.... I tell it like it is!!

My bad I forgot u are a prophet.
U must have really had a strong vision into the future.

jl115:
Kenya will overtake SA in about 100 years.... Not in terms of per capita but yes eventually in terms of sheer size of your economy driven by your population growth..... Just like Nigeria

But just like Nigeria, Kenya will forever be behind SA in terms of the things that actually matter, like infrastructure, wealth per capita, gdp per capita, hdi, technology ect ect

Such a douchebag

Just30:
SA had been stagnant for 20 years and your country didn't catch up to them but now that they are growing, you thing your country will catch up?

Lol can u imagine

rvp2018:
Studies like this have been done
https://www.wider.unu.edu/publication/policy-co-ordination-and-growth-traps-middle-income-country-setting#:~:text=South%20Africa%20has%20exhibited%20tepid,middle%20income%20country%20growth%20trap.&text=The%20paper%20concludes%20discussing%20the,to%20participate%20in%20the%20economy.

South Africa has exhibited tepid economic growth over the past twenty years as well as high levels of income inequality characteristic of a middle income country growth trap. ... The paper concludes discussing the welfare outcomes on the vast majority of South Africans who are unable to participate in the economy.

U are wasting ur bloody time. Nobody is asking u for a study or thesis. We are talking about now. And now says the supposed stagnated SA is growing. Keep praying for drip in commodity price if that will make ur zoo achieve Her goal.

rvp2018:
Again, stop hunting, Kenya population is projected at 49.8m now. We did a census in 2019 - just 2 yrs ago - it was 47.5m.
https://www.imf.org/en/Countries/KEN


2021 Projected Real GDP (% Change) : 5.6
2021 Projected Consumer Prices (% Change): 6.0
Country Population: 49.801 million

U mean to say kenyan population is 58m. The only thing I will be surpassing SA soon is population,otherwise forget it

.. This is savage.

Looooooooooooolllll I can’t laugh ; after all the insults and stern warning he issued u this is what u came up with. Lol who is this pvssy ass feeble nigga u are so pathetic and shameful. Bury your head in a heap of sand.

I didn't go hard on you. I don't know why you're hyperventilating.

Lol shma trying to take the high road. U must be scared of this Man U weakling

rvp2018:
I havent stopped anybody from commenting; I choose when to come here; which posts to reply to; which one to ignore; I am not going to wait for you to tell me what to do or not do. I know enough of ivory coast - because if you're inquisitive - you wont wait for this thread to learn stuff - you got the internet.

I believe I have not told you or anybody else what to do with your time or post here or elsewhere

Come in when you want, comment on stuff you want, and leave when you want.

That’s a lie. I believe you have done that countless times.

rvp2018:
If the kitchen is too hot for you; step out; this thread is comparasion reason; Just run your life the best way you know; why on earth would you imagine you can even advice me? Like really

Lmao @shma2020 I can’t control my laughter i long told u no one on this thread,I repeat no one take you serious not even ur country men. Everyone sees u as a fool no different from that sufferingnsmilin dude. It’s a shame you walk around thinking u are smart and worth even a droplet of spit. See ur life now u see what I have been telling u all this years. Lol u had to log off ur account to deal with this shame

Shma2020:
Seems I've reduced you to a one word phrase. Outside that word(I can't mention it because it's too boring) you have nothing to offer. You're just an empty headed mor0n trying to seek relevance in Nairaland

I don't see why a normal human can be bothered by somebody's wealth. unless the guy is a witch doctor(green with envy) you have nothing to say that's why you're bringing old things? Smh

Lol rich man. U must be dangote’s relative
Abeg make i no laugh.