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prahcetomi:
Are you one?

I'm a child of the Most High, Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God, Wonderful,Counsellor,Prince of Peace,Everlasting King

Image123:
Joy to the world, the Lord is come. Let earth receive her King. What is pagan in that? dolphinheart, please let earth receive her King, stop weeping more than the bereaved. And vooks, you're indeed caustic in passing across your point. Overall, it's much ado about nothing. Romans is so clear it's a miracle not to see.

My broda,
My epitaph is set; 'End of Construction, Thank you for your Patience'
I'm work-in-progress and I will work on it so help me God

Stay blessed

KingEbukasBlog:
These people never learn

Catholicism Satanism is a CULT. The difference between it and Branch Camp Davidians is size.
The best sign to watch out for a cult is their AUTHORITY. It is always without exception a man/institution and never scriptures.
-For SDAs, their authority is the writings of Ellen G White so nicknamed Spirit of Prophecy
-For Jehovah's Witnesses it is the Watchtower publications
-For Christian Scientists it is the writings of Mary Eddy Baker
-For Mormons, it is the writings of Joseph Smith
-For Scientologists it is Ron Hubbard
-For Catholicism, their authority is Rome

It does not matter how much scriptures they quote, they approach God and His word wearing their respective authority's shades.

Observe total suspension of reason by a Catholic (dmandy) in arguing that Mary is in heaven (note I don't dispute that Mary is in heaven, I merely say We have no proof she is there);

Revelation 12:1-3 (ESV)
1 And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth.

How does this prove that Mary is in heaven? Did Mary travail in birth pangs in heaven?

A second example will suffice;
Hebrews 1:6 (ESV)
6 And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God's angels worship him.”

Is it not clear as daylight that Angels worshipped Jesus when he was born? But a Jehovah's Witness sheeple (dolphinheart) is convinced that angels worshipped Jesus not when He was born but after his ascension and sitting at the right hand of the throne.

Now my broda, we all approach life with some presumptions,but I hope you can see cultists are light years ahead of any of us with presumptions. One thing they can never do is CONTRADICT their authority. Anything or any information they absorb MUST conform to their authority's 'truth' else it is discarded as lies.

Have a good night sir

A summary of the Wisdom of dmandy the Catholic apologist;

1. Mary is the Queen Mother and as such a co-ruler with Jesus Christ the King of Kings
2. As a Queen Mother, she advises/counsels Jesus Christ
3. Counseling is 'recommending a course of action'
4. Proof of Mary counseling Jesus is John 2 at Cana where she TOLD Jesus the wine had ran out
5. When we pray we counsel Jesus and therefore co-rule with Him
6. Mary is in heaven
7. Proof of #6 is Revelation 12:1 where John saw Mary in heaven
8. Mary delivered/gave birth to Jesus in heaven

A summary of The Wisdom of Syncan
1. Mary is a perpetual virgin

2. Evidence of #1 is
Ezekiel 44:2-3 (ESV)
2 And the Lord said to me, “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it, for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it. Therefore it shall remain shut. 3 Only the prince may sit in it to eat bread before the Lord. He shall enter by way of the vestibule of the gate, and shall go out by the same way.”

zeemahn:
It pays to be safe from irrationality

If you can be safe from yourself,mother you have a point. Cheers mate

Syncan:
I'm sure if you search through my posts on NL you'll find what something to help you, but you've got to work, so search my posts, since your cant read your own fathers nor scripture, nothing on a platter of gold for you again.

Thank you for your kindness.

Somalia is very fragile with alshabaab controlling large swathes of the country after over 20 years of civil war/ anarchy.

Right now the biggest enemy of Somalia is al shabaab not political correctness. Let them be. In any case al shabaab may be planning massacre

Aizenosa:
Chai, it's wonderful to watch protestants go against their very foundation, right from inception it seems that dey have designed their thoughts to be upside down, hmm let's wait and see how they will be in the 28th century.

Thank you Jesus Christ for delivering me from the kingdom of darkness and translating me into the kingdom of your light.

Babylon is fallen!

Syncan:
Why is your mind filled with lewd thoughts?

You are digressing
Demonstrate he basis for your perpetual virginity doctrine.

Or just say you can't

Syncan:
Not my fault if you "have eyes but cannot see". Jer.5:21

This is a long way of saying you believe because you were told

Syncan:
You see what I kept telling you, stop breaking my posts, both answers complement each other, I made no claim since I gave you a scriptural quote,I quoted Ezekiel 44:2. With regards to what the gate means, keep your mind pure so that the Holy spirit can guide you, and continue in that line of thought you're on, you'll get there....to the fullness of truth.

How does Ezekiel 44:2 prove perpetual virginity?

Syncan:
That's not good enough vooks, you should read about them and not condemn such men as Satanists, since they are your fathers in Protestantism.

You've not been Charitable with the ones I gave you so far, now Your fathers believed in this one, they have scriptural proof because they were sola scriptura chanters, so assignment for you, go and find out. When you show proof of effort, I will help you more.

My authority is scriptures
A Catholic authority is Rome. So John Wesley may or may not be right and am not bound by his writings

You on the other hand have killed millions by threatening them with hellfire for using condoms but after pressure you flip flop and suddenly condoms can actually save lives

dmandy:
Don't be in a hurry to deny the efficacy of prayer, Just give it a trial.

I love prayers

Someone told me that this merry go round is a walk through space and I think I agree with him.

Am glad you are enjoying yourself

You asked for Mary's offspring, I pointed you to one 'a beloved disciple' all I wanted was affirmation so that I point out the rest. But you won't take it. Do I care? No. Mary's other offspring include the likes of 'the beloved disciple' to whom Christ himself handed to her. Deal with it.

John won't make offsprings, are there other kids she adopted? Scriptures will do.

Until... that's your problem. But at least you don't have a problem with Mary being a virgin before and after the incarnation.

I have a problem with man-made doctrines such as perpetual virginity, sinlessness and Mary being in heaven

The word "until" does not imply that the status quo changed afterwards (as will be evident from the use of the same word in 1Sam 15:35; 2Sam 6:23; Mt 12:20);

We will take Greek and logic at the right time. For now, give me proof of perpetual virginity

If you can't believe the bible, you obviously ain't going to believe me. So, I won't give any proof. I doubt you will believe God even, little wonder you have not asked. You split my post to feed your fancy. John saw Mary in heaven. Believe it or not, it doesn't erase what is written in Rev 12.1.

Now, please, did Mary give birth in heaven or Bethlehem?

I have not claimed anything other than what is written in the bible. Because Muslims pray, you cannot pray again. I have said nothing here outside the scriptures. Nevertheless, there is room for learning you say, yes I learn everyday and I bid you to do same if have not been doing it.

It's fun 'walking through space' with you. Lolx....

I will save my data now for Christmas. May God bless you.

I pray and I believe in prayers but I don't send truth seekers to pray when they come to me, I give answers, BASIS for my faith, scriptural basis that is.

PastorOluT:
Fully agreed with the statement, 'his nature chose him', bt I will want to believe u dont mean his human nature (frailty which we all possess bt his consequent actions) and this exactly is my point all along.

@ vooks, all u said is unnecessary (not that its wrong anyways) cos tho it was prophesied 4 God knows the end from the beginnin, his actions (even before he met Christ) chose him.

Actions don't choose people

dmandy:
clears throat..

I will still engage you, at least for the fun of it.

You are just being childish.... You were the one who asked about other offspring and I have come to show them to you. Now you are throwing your usual tantrums. You should grow up, its not a crime.

I asked who her offsprings were and you point me to John. I reminded you Revelation talks of offsprings. No answer.

Yes, I was waiting for that passage to come, yes he knew her not until she gave birth, and he still knew her NOT. Go back to the thread where you were being educated with the words of your beloved reformers and continue the education on that one. It is out of context here. You can open a thread and let me educate you.

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Moving on,

I don't think Mary is in heaven, I told you that earlier....I know Mary is heaven and I am not alone.

Give me proof so I may know as well.
Don't seek refuge in numbers sir, majority don't make right

St. John knows, She saw her. You too can pray to God to show you where Mary is.

WHERE did John see Mary in heaven?

Of course I can pray, Muslims also pray and conclude Mohammed is a prophet. Scriptures please, no subjective experiences.

It will be difficult to admit that you now agree and I know why, but nevertheless. Mary is heaven.

Take Care.

it will be difficult to respect you as an erstwhile debater and honest truth seeker if you keep on making claims you can't substantiate. Nevertheless, a living dog is better than a dead lion. There is still room for learning on this side of the sun

Syncan:
I am glad you praise the "gallant reformers", it means you hold their teachings as true. Permit me to notify you about their thoughts on Mary's perpetual Virginity.

John Wesley, in 1749-----"I believe that He [Jesus] was made man, joining the human nature with the divine in one person; being conceived by the singular operation of the Holy Ghost, and born of the blessed Virgin Mary, who, as well after as before she brought Him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin." (Letter to a Roman Catholic)

Huldrych Zwingli-----"I firmly believe that Mary, according to the words of the gospel as a pure Virgin brought forth for us the Son of God and in childbirth and after childbirth forever remained a pure, intact Virgin." (Zwingli Opera, Corpus Reformatorum, Berlin, 1905, v. 1, p. 424)

Martin Luther-----"When Matthew says that Joseph did not know Mary carnally until she had brought forth her son, it does not follow that he knew her subsequently; on the contrary, it means that he never did know her . . . This babble . . . is without justification . . . he has neither noticed nor paid any attention to either Scripture or the common idiom." (That Jesus was Born a Jew)


Martin Luther-----"Christ, our Savior, was the real and natural fruit of Mary's virginal womb . . . This was without the cooperation of a man, and she remained a virgin after that. […] Christ . . . was the only Son of Mary, and the Virgin Mary bore no children besides Him . . . I am inclined to agree with those who declare that 'brothers' really mean 'cousins' here, for Holy Writ and the Jews always call cousins brothers." (Sermons on John)


Maybe the onus lies on you now, to find out why your champions, who are sola scriptura chanters, still proclaim the perpetual virginity of Mary. Then you ask yourself, when your pastor and you stopped proclaiming it and why.

They were coming from satanism, old habits die hard you know!

All I need is scriptural proof for perpetual virginity and sinlessness of Mary.

Rich4god:
SMH... Shey you see the kind pple wey una dey argue with....

Troll, keep off or like women, learn in silence

dmandy:
Yes, Mother of the 'beloved disciple'. Take it easy, you will understand. Just acknowledge anyone you get, okay. Now, did you understand how 'Mary' became the mother of 'the beloved disciple', John? If yes, say thank you let's move on.

Yes, 'it talks about the rest of her offspring' who keep His commandment.

No, it can be why not? But, it is not. I am showing you how it happened. If you are with me, thank me and let's move on.

***added***

As I await your appreciation of this great insight before we continue let me tell you about 'the beloved disciple'
Jn 1:35... a former disciple of John
Jn 13:23.... leaned on Jesus at the last supper
Jn 18:15... walked into the court while Peter denied Jesus
Jn 19:25.... became an adopted 'son' of Mary. We are here
Jn 20:2. .. was first to witness the resection
Jn 21:7... first to recognize Jesus in Galilee
21:23.... Jesus refused to predict his end

Am asking how you leaped from Revelation to John's adoption by Mary with scriptures.

I also need scriptural proof of why you rule out further natural children.

In the meantime, ruminate on this

Matthew 1:25 (ESV)
25 but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus..


Once you are done, go back to Revelation and answer the original question I posed; what makes you think Mary is in heaven?
I may not agree with your chapter 12 atrocious exegesis but even if I agreed, all it says is that the woman is the mother of Jesus and that she adopted some offspring who the devil fought.


And no sir, the 'first to witness the resurrection' was the women. Jesus appeared to Peter FIRST not John.

Syncan:
And why can't the rest of her offsprings be natural?

Ans: Because God has decided so.

You make a claim and then ascribe it to God.

Any scripture to support this?

Ans: Yes.

Ezekiel.44:2 "Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut".

The gate in this case is what, Mary's v@gina?

dolphinheart:
Wonder what you will say when you are not polite. Your being polite is still derogatory!

You are free to whine all day and make all manner of sideshows, just don't leave here empty. Learn something

The people that started Christmas state that they do it on Dec 25th cus its the day jesus was born by mary, hence they are celebrating jesus birthday.

Jesus birthday is when the Word became flesh, incarnation.

Now you have bought a new twist into it knowing fully well that the old idea of Christmas is wrong , hence the need to formulate a new one as the world would in no way support the cancellation of the celebration.

'New'? If you never heard of it then I agree it is certainly 'new'.

These new twist is devoid of explanation. For example, did the incarnation occur on Dec 25th?, why do you choose such date for the celebration of these incarnation?

There is no 'new twist', am working hard on your feeble brains. Appreciate knowledge and wisdom seeing ignorance is very expensive!
Nobody can with certainty tell when Jesus was born, the most important thing is that God became flesh at a specific point in time.
Any date I pick and somebody would always wonder why I left the other 364. So it is quite in vain explaining myself for each day I picked. We have national day of prayer and fasting and even private days of prayer. Do I owe nobody an explanation why I picked Wednesday and Monday? No, what matters is what I do on those days. The sanctity of Sunday is in what we do with Sunday not with Sunday itself.

What prompted you to start the celebration since there is no biblical evidence of such celebration?

I will keep on hammering Romans 14:5-6 down your cranium. 'Let everyone be convinced in their hearts'. Are you convinced? Does there need to be any biblical evidence of neckties before you don one? What about bible verses? Did you know these were invented hundreds of years after Pentecost?

How do you perform such celebration that is different from those celebrating the birth of Christ?

I don't understand how it is different from what?
Care to explain?

One is meant to know details about a new celebration before taking part in it, hence the questions I asked.

Very wise of you

I'm talking about the book, not the language.

If Paul talked about the book in RomNs 14:5, then talk about the book.

Rom 14:5,6
5 One person considers one
day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to
God.

Now Bro, since you feel you now have the right to choose a day to observe a celebration you created, what fully convinced you that Dec 25th is special and the date for the celebration of the incarnation.?

No sir, it is not that I 'feel', it is Holy Spirit who gives me LIBERTY.
The incarnation!
I don't care about December 25th, I care about my Lord and my God. I can assure you if nobody celebrated incarnation, I'd have started it myself!

Why did you choose such date if that's the date you choosed, and if its not Dec 25th, which date did you personaly choose.?

Like I said, any date I pick, there are 364 days I never picked. Silly question

Moreover, the specialty of a day does not correspond with the fact that it must be celebrated.

True, but I invoke the Liberty I have of Holy Spirit and celebrate it

Do you know what paul finally said as to this observance, about the celebration?

I am convinced, being fully
persuaded in the Lord Jesus,
that nothing is unclean in itself.
But if anyone regards
something as unclean, then for
that person it is unclean. If
your brother or sister is
distressed because of what
you eat, you are no longer
acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died.
Therefore do not let what
you know is good be spoken
of as evil. For the kingdom
of God is not a matter of eating
and drinking, but of
righteousness, peace and joy
in the Holy Spirit.

We should be sensitive about others whose hearts bleed over Christmas I agree. I have done that and moved a step further, EDUCATING those bleeding of their liberty in Christ. We have bewitched believers here who are still trying to impress God with circumcision and Torah. I pray they will grow up

I do not personaly choose Any day of the year to observe an event cus of these scripture

Never mind, you don't have to choose any, choosing or not choosing all are done unto the Lord as per Romans 14:5-6

Gal 4:10,11
You are observing
special days and months and
seasons and years! 11 I fear for you, that somehow I have
wasted my efforts on you.

Galatians were busy trying to keep the Torah and they even reverted to circumcision. Those guys were clearly bewitched!

I also agree to the statement that the day of ones death is more important than his birth.

So how come angels worshipped Jesus when he was born and not when he died?
Anyway BOTH are important that's why we have Easter as well celebrating His death. What's your point?

The celebration is what I'm talking about and not about the word becoming flesh, why was such event celebrated using the many paganistic customs, rituals and mode of worship?

I don't know what you are onto, as for me, I celebrate Christmas with my family and we have a church service, just like any other Sunday. Those 'paganistic customs,rituals, and mode of worship', please be a watchman and warn them like Ezekiel if you find it necessary

Are you trying to tell us that this event occured when jesus became flesh? To imply that the angels did obeisance to jesus when he was born by mary? If that is ur view, you are totally wrong.

You need to PROVE it and not just claim so

verse 3 and 4 helps us to understand that these event occured after jesus death, not during his birth.
The angels did obeisance to jesus when he was exalted above them, when he sat at the right hand of the most high and inherited a name that is superior to theirs.!
This did not occur when jesus became flesh.

Super concentrated trash. Receive common sense inJesus name!

WHEN HE BRINGS HIS FIRSTBORN INTO THE WORLD.

When did God bring His firstborn into the world? When Jesus ascended?

The ONLY reason reason you make such outrageous and asinine reasoning is because Watchtower tells you so. Please show me any non-Watchtower material that supports this

The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.
After he had provided
purification for sins, he sat
down at the right hand of the
Majesty in heaven. So he
became as much superior to
the angels as the name he has
inherited is superior to theirs.

WHEN HE BRINGS HIS FIRSTBORN INTO THE WORLD.
When was this? When He ascended?

The use of demeaning words or statement, derogatory or abusive words is for politicians and worldly people.

Very true, and I have used none

They use it in discussion so as to look important or superior, and to try to make the other party look inferior or bad, more so when attempting to look meek.

Agreed

They do this expecially when they know that their points lack merit or truthfulness. It is not the way of a worshiper of jehovah.
Let him that think he stands be care he does not fall!

Agreed

Lastly, ill take ur continued use of derogatory terms, either politely or not as a method derived to end the discussion

I haven't used any derogatory word. Care to show me any?

dmandy:
It's not my claim, I am talking the scripture here.

When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, “Mother, here is your son,” and to the disciple, “Son, here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.

Here Mary becomes the mother of yet another.

Mother of John.
She adopted somebody else I missed seeing Revelation talks of offsprings?

And why can't the rest of her offsprings be natural? Any scripture to support this?

dmandy:
Sorry,

John 19: 26/27

Which part of John 19:26/27 supports your claim

dmandy:
Thanks,

Yes, the woman have other offspring v17. Of course, Mary has other 'adopted' offspring as seen in in 19:26/27.

What is 19:26/27?

dmandy:
Lolx,

that passage said a child, a son. Try another gymnastics.

Ok. Fair enough.
Let's move on. The woman has other offsprings yet according to you Mary has no other children

Revelation 12:17 (ESV)
17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.

dmandy:
Lolx... the bible refers to the Church as the bride. That is my reasoning Sir. No, it can't be according to my reasoning and that of the bible.

Sorry, you mean the bible refers to the church as the bride and not man child?

dmandy:
No, it is not. The bible is specific here, it said 'A woman' gave birth to 'a Child'. You see why it cannot be 'those people'? You don't have to change it to suite your G/O's explanation. Stick with what the bible said.

Ok, so it is all about plural and singularity, right?
A male child can't be the church because the church has more than a member. Is this your reasoning dmandy?

dmandy:
Lolz @wild goose chase, Isn't it what we have been doing. Well I don't care

Yes I did, imply that some protestants deny Mary fed Jesus but not specifically as you put it. However, I stand by what I said anyone who could say Mary was just like a surrogate mother and was never called mum by Jesus, clearly implies that Mary didn't fed Jesus. And it is as simple as that. I never made anything up. The post was addressed to me and not someone else.

You should have said those were your insinuations and I'd have let it pass. No need beating about the bush. Did you bother to confirm the context of surrogacy used by the 'protestant'?

Oh yes, I said those. The very time you start reading in context you will understand that sometimes 'go = play = run' depending on the context. My prove that Mary is a queen mother is beyond that. It is much more than semantics, but clearly explained in the bible. Mary is the Mother of a King, who is (King of Kings) as such his mother is a queen. QED.

In short, Revelation 12 'proof' is questionable so you abandon it, how clever!

Could you kindly present where it is 'clearly explained in the bible'?

It does follow that you when you do his will on earth, you will co-reign with him in heaven when you depart here.

Hmmmm
Let's see, the best or the first proof of Mary advising/counseling God which is 'recommending a course of action' is Mary reporting a need at Cana, something Bartimaeus did. Is this all the basis for your co-reigning doctrine sir? If it is not, please give me more scriptures, man lives by EVERY word that proceeds out of the mouth of YHWH. Don't tire

Am not done with you on Revelation 12 sir. Why can't the church, the victorious church that will reign be the man-child? Any specific rationale for eliminating this candidate?

dmandy:
Exactly,

did you remember what the inheritance of those who work with Jesus are? I will tell you. Matt22:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. These will share the inheritance of Jesus Rom 8:17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs--heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light

In the passage you quoted Jesus is telling you that inheritance which he has and which those who keep faith in him will share.

Now this is why Rev 12 talks about Jesus who will rule all the nations.

So, why can't the man-child be all those who will reign with Christ?

dmandy:
I just gave you a link. Well, do wait any longer. I won't oblige you. I may not mind answering your questions over and over again to make you get it, but I will certainly not dwell in trivialness just for the fun of it. If you don't want to read my post, its not my business.

Yes, they did. When they didn't present their sick friends for Jesus to see and go. They had something in mind. They want Jesus to do (that) something. I hate running in circles, but you are my man. If you are still confused ask me. I have never and will never practice any form of idolatry, paganism and devil worshiping. Jesus won't let that and surely Mother Mary won't either.

Amen. Thanks for the prayers.

You should have pointed what part of the link made the claim as am copying and highlighting your posts. Why send me on a wild goose chase.
Specifically you stated that 'some' Protestants deny Mary fed Jesus. I need to see just one who said thus. Just one of the 'many' you have ran into.

According to dmandy,
Presenting a need to Jesus = Counseling Jesus = recommending a course of action TO Jesus= proof that Mary is queen mother co-reigning with her son and advising her?

Does it then not follow that all who pray to Jesus are essentially Counseling him and co-reigning with him?

dmandy, ever read of Blind Bartimaeus counseling Jesus?
Mark 10:46-48 (ESV)
46 And they came to Jericho. And as he was leaving Jericho with his disciples and a great crowd, Bartimaeus, a blind beggar, the son of Timaeus, was sitting by the roadside. 47 And when he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to cry out and say, “Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!” 48 And many rebuked him, telling him to be silent. But he cried out all the more, “Son of David, have mercy on me!”

dmandy:
Okay, thank you.

Back to your question, o yes, it does identify the woman's son as Jesus.

Thank you

Question
Revelation 2:25-27 (ESV)
25 Only hold fast what you have until I come. 26 The one who conquers and who keeps my works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations, 27 and he will rule them with a rod of iron, as when earthen pots are broken in pieces, even as I myself have received authority from my Father.

Chapter 2 promises those who overcome that they shall rule with an iron rod. Why would you settle on Jesus Christ and not these as the man-child?

dmandy:
Well, I did not digress. I will quote exactly what I said to reboot your memory.

All I need is somebody claiming this not you claiming that somebody claimed thus.

Am waiting

Yes, that is a counsel, if you know the meaning of the word. If it was just informing Jesus like you think, Jesus would not have bothered explaining that his time has not yet come. And trust me, she won't bother counseling the disciples. Truth is truth, no matter who says it. O yes brother, recommending a course of action is 'counsel'. Once again, you are welcome. May God bless you too. I can see the hand work of God here.

Your own definition of counsel is 'recommending a course of action'. What course of action did Mary recommend to Jesus?

Mary offered a counsel (recommended a course of action) to Jesus at the wedding at Cana. I said it before and I will say it again. I did not redefine any term, you can get a dictionary, look up the meaning of the verb 'counsel'.

What counsel did Mary offer to Jesus at the wedding in Cana?
Mary presented a need/problem. If this is offering Jesus counsel, would you say the same of those who brought their sick to Jesus as well? Did they counsel Jesus?

Lolx... I am there own. I have confessed that to them and I told you I did. Thank you for so much for your concern, but I am not into paganism and Satanism. There a whole lot of people out there who require that help. I have also joined the world crusade in preaching against paganism and Satanism, and God will help us achieve this in the Name Jesus his son.

Then stop idolatry,paganism and worshipping Devils.

I lend my voice to that of Rev 14:4 too and shout
Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues; for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.

And I add with St James Embrace the "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world" and don't curse the one whom God has called blessed.

God bless you.

Receive healing from blindness in Jesus name

dmandy:
Sorry, your second question is unclear to me. Mind rephrasing? Yes, is my answer to your first.

IDs is abbreviation of identifies.