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dmandy:
I love the way you behave now... surely the Lord is doing a marvelous work here. I am not wasting my time afterall. I hope you are still in the forward mode? Good. Now read v 5: And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne. You want to know whom this son who is to rule all nations with rod of iron is? Read Psalm 2:9, still confused? Don't worry the lord will help you. Now go to, Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

You want to know who the son that was caught up to God in his throne is? Read mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Still don't get it? Let me know your confusion.

That son is Jesus.

Ok.
Psalms 2:9 (ESV)
9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.”

Revelation 2:25-27 (ESV)
25 Only hold fast what you have until I come. 26 The one who conquers and who keeps my works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations, 27 and he will rule them with a rod of iron, as when earthen pots are broken in pieces, even as I myself have received authority from my Father.

The catchphrase is 'rule the nations with an iron rod', right?
This is what IDs the woman's son as Jesus. Is this what you are saying?

plaetton:
Hard item to find, especially if the vehicle is not very common.

If you're in Lagos, you might try Ladipo market or Owode in Ogun State, after Ikorodu.

Many thanks

dmandy:
Lolx... and the cycle begins again but it's okay. I know it's not easy to let go of all the trash your GO has told you about Catholic church. That might mean that all your tithes and seeds are gone with the winds.

I did not digress. I will refer you to https://www.nairaland.com/2761616/does-adeboye-now-believe-canonization/7#41239655

Am looking for a claim that Mary never fed Jesus and I can't find it. You made this up, right?

No, Jesus did not raise himself. Mary and Joseph and his relatives did.

I thought so and am looking for anybody who claims otherwise as you insist. I need to see these claims for myself else I will dismiss them as baseless sideshows

No religion invented Mary's perpetual virginity and sinlessness, the bible explained it in details.

If it is not too much, could you show me where the 'bible explained it in details' ?

Thank you and God bless you

I should try quoting bible... you don't read? Okay I will quote KJV, do you like that? Okay Jn 2:3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine. Try reading the passage and see what happened later whether He listened or not? It won't take anything from you.

I have gone through John 2 and I can't find Mary counseling Jesus. Please point to me where she counseled/advised Jesus Christ. I don't want to guess but let me ask, is Mary informing Jesus that they have no wine the 'counsel'?

Mary offered a counsel (recommended a course of action) to Jesus at the wedding at Cana. I said it before and I will say it again. I did not redefine any term, you can get a dictionary, look up the meaning of the verb 'counsel'.

All I seek is Mary 'recommending a course of action to Jesus' from John 2 or anywhere seeing she is the queen mother.

Once again, thank you and God bless you.

I will tell you what I practice... it is true religion (James 1:27)

My mum, I worship and adore her always. My dad, I am his son, his own son if you know what that means.

And you pray to them to possess you?

God need not apologize to you for anything. My God is not an author of confusion.

No He is not and that's why I was sent to call you out of paganism and satanism

Revelation 14:4-5 (ESV)
Come out of her, my people,
lest you take part in her sins,
lest you share in her plagues;
5 for her sins are heaped high as heaven,
and God has remembered her iniquities.

dmandy:
You are welcome.

The woman is called Mary (Luke 1:27). You want to change her name?

The vision said the woman gave birth to son. If you believe that that son is Jesus, then forget the lies your GO told you. The only woman that gave birth to Jesus is Mary.

What makes that son Jesus as nowhere are we told that son is Jesus?

dmandy:
There is no or there. You don't like reading.

I said in my post that the woman in rev. 12 is Mary.

The woman is not called Mary, what in that vision makes you conclude that she is Mary?


Thanks

plaetton:
My week is relaxed.
Soaking up the harmattan breeze and lots of palm wine.

Great. Am looking for this, visiting a few junk yards before I ship it from UK/ Japan

tartar9:
you're truly a goat.just say you don't know the meaning of prescription

Your m0ronic pedophile who thighed 6 year olds prescribed camel piss not me. Did they grow weed in Arabia coz I can't think of anything else that propelled him, or was he just a natural ret@rd suffering from dementia and depression like you?

dmandy:
I did not digress, I am still within the context of our discourse. I only wanted to show you that I agreed with your idea that Mary fed Jesus unlike most protestants I know.

You care share ANY statement to this effect or are you not simply deflecting?
So Jesus raised himself?

No, religion is not dangerous, it's people who don't understand religion that are dangerous. Look up James 1:27 to see what religion is. No religion invented Mary, try reading the bible, it helps. God chose Mary. I only believe what the scripture says and the scripture says Mary is full of grace. I know you don't like reading that part of the bible, but it is well. Embrace true religion my brother.

Religion invented PERPETUAL virginity and Sinlessness for Mary not Mary. You need more brains to play around

Mary offered a counsel (recommended a course of action) to Jesus at the wedding at Cana. I said it before and I will say it again. I did not redefine any term, you can get a dictionary, look up the meaning of the verb 'counsel'.

What counsel did Mary offer to Jesus at the wedding in Cana?

Try and quote scriptures for once. You can use Rheims your sectarian (per)version

Oh yes, necromancy is sin and God hates it. I hate it, the church hates it and every true lover of God should.

And you practice it but christen it something else

You think I deify Mary, No. I am only obeying the commandment of God. " All generations will call her blessed" and "Love your Father and your Mother".

When last did you worship your mother or father and pray them to possess you?

God need not apologize to anybody for punishing idolaters but will surely not punish anyone for obeying his decrees.

He'd apologize for inconsistency in meting punishment to necromancers while sparing some.

Jadonjack:
I'v have never had any issue with my parents, not even when our beliefs are antithetic. They will just call me, sit me down, preach and advice me on how wonderful it is to serve god. They wanted me to be going to church buh they at d same tym respected my decisions. They just hoped that I'm gonna accept god one day

And it seems yu care to knw, I grew up with my parents until I secured a job few yrs back.

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dmandy:
Good, I believe you have taken my advice. But show some love, appreciate me.

Now, let me give you a clue.

Rom 12 talks about a woman who gave birth to a savior being seen in heaven. Try reading that passage and this time around don't read backwards. You hear? Good boy.

God talked through the prophets of old that a woman will conceive and give birth to a savior. Sounds strange to you. Pick up a bible and read the same way as you did above.

Well, this savior is no other than Jesus and this woman cannot be any other person other than Mary who is the mother of Jesus. Now, God has revealed this to St. John. He can do same if you ask Him.

If you are still confused after reading the passage (forward), and still feel reluctant to pray to God, drop your comments here I will address them when I come back from Christmas break.

Gob bless you abundantly and savor the truth that you have been told so far. Do well to spread this good news to all that cares to listen.

Thanks for your time.

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Ok, so this woman in Revelation 12 is Mary or what?

plaetton:
Lol.

You mean, where was he grazing or Herding ?


And if you don't me asking, where do you graze ?

Negro, you are funny and you make me laugh without trying.

That's classified

How is your week coming?
Mine is bad, I can't get a vehicle part nowhere, a fuel tank door flap

dmandy:
Indeed, it may be a figure of speech. But I don't think it is a bad advise that you should learn to read forwards instead of backwards.

BTW, I am from Imo State.

Where is Mary in Revelation 12?

tartar9:
was I the one it was prescribed for?

Nope, he prescribed it to monkeys, desert monkeys

Jadonjack:
There, you go again. Just like frank suggested. Your children, for there sake shld live far away from you.

You are a bad example of a father and a christian.

I'm really happy you are displaying this on a public forum

A Negro must have lost their marbles before insulting their old man in public

dmandy:
Thank you for the compliments.

At least, I have seen some protestant that agreed that Mary fed Jesus, you colleagues will say Mary was only a surrogate mother and never did anything after Jesus was born. God bless you for this.

I don't know the exact argument you came across, don't digress

The truth is hitting you gradually, and I pray the Lord will help you let go of pride and accept the truth wholly.

Religion is dangerous; it invented Mary's sinlessness and perpetual virginity while dismissing the inspired scriptures. May religious scales fall off your eyes as I perceive they are. With God nothing is impossible

Lolx, you actually reason like this? No, that's poo. You are wiser than that. Jesus and His dear mother will never stop attending any events to which they are invited. Just send them the IV and watch them show. Oh! what a glorious and blissful event you will have.

Satanism

Now, that you have agreed that Mary actually offered some form of counsel to Jesus. I will go on and treat your next point of confusion with the divine help of the holy spirit.

What counsel did Mary offer Christ? When and where?
Religion redefines terms to suit them. Lucifer is sure as hell creative

Nobody stops you from going straight to Jesus. Asking the Mother of Jesus to help you talk to his son is no different from asking your pastor or senior prophet or GO to help you talk to Jesus. The only different is that asking Mary makes it more effective if you remember that Mary is in heaven with Jesus and He who listened to her even when 'his time is not yet come' will listen to her now that his time is here.

Yeah right, necromancy is sin and God hates it. And satanists sure do love what God hates

Well, if you ever imagine that what matters is what Jesus asked them to do, not whom he sent to tell them. The same way He has sent me to declare His good news to you. 'Will the disciples refuse to do what Jesus said because He told somebody to tell them?

Think about it.

Think hard about this. You deify Mary, and with that all your prayers are idolatry. God would have to apologize to Caananites for driving them out and entertaining modern pagans and necromancers

dmandy:
I guess you have the taken your corrections.

Now, don't hallucinate ask Jesus to reveal to you where His mother is. He said 'ask and you shall receive'. Just obey, ask. It costs you nothing, you don't need to sow a seed or pay tithe, just ask.

The wise men from the east (yes east) found Jesus with His Mother, Wise men of Today still find Jesus with his mother. Are you a wise man?

God bless you

He told me Catholicism is Satanism and Paganism disguised as Christianity.

dmandy:
That is the problem.

Stop reading the bible backwards. Try reading forward with open mind. God will help you in Jesus Name. Amen.

Now mention me when you stop reading the bible backwards and upside-down.

It's a figure of speech, duh, what part of Nigeria do you hail from?

ayoku777:
Departed saints did not pray for men under the old covenant, and they don't pray for us now under the new. There is not a single scripture upon which to base the assumption that they did then or do now.



Absolutely not! It doesn't. Someone praying for you doesn't automatically equal you praying to them.



There is no scriptural account (that I know of) of men praying to angels, even under the Old covenant.

Men conversed with angels in the bible, but they didn't pray to them. Abraham, Moses, Joshua, Gideon, Daniel, Zechariah, Mary, Peter, John etc; all talked to and coversed with angels, but they didn't pray to them.

Conversing with someone is not the same as praying to someone. People only prayed to God.



Two people praying for the same thing does not in anyway imply they're praying to eachother. They are both praying to God, just for the same thing.



Praying to departed saints or even asking departed saints to pray for you; is an extra-scriptural doctrine.

Its not a practise found in the bible or a doctrine admonished by the apostles. Only Jesus Christ our High priest prays for us from heaven. And believers on earth are only told to ask for the prayers of fellow believers on earth.

There is nowhere in scripture departed saints where mentioned as praying for saints on earth. And there is no account of where we are told to solicit for the prayers of heavenly saints.

Anything else is going above what is written. Necromancy and praying to saints in heaven are both wrong.

Shalom

God bless you sir

Jadonjack:
I can quote as many as possible for you, buh I'm not here to fight any religionist.

And btw broda, if you can't take responsibilities for your mistakes, I really dnt know you can stand and make decisions.

Make my day, quote just ONE.

dmandy:
Try reading the book of Revelations Chapter 12. Read with open mind and cross reference with the prophecy of Isaiah and that of Prophet Micah in chapter 5

If you are not convinced, try asking God where Mary is and don't assume that nobody knows again. You hear?

Now, Go and sin no more.

Happy Xmas.

I can recite Revelation backwards.
Where is Mary?

dmandy:
I learnt from someone I respect so much that it is childish to ignore questions but foolish to answer questions with question. Next, time when you are asked a question to which you don't know the answer, instead of throwing tantrums, simply say I don't know. It's more honorable.

For your question, the death of Apollos, Barnabas and Matthew were not recorded in the bible. At least no where that I know of.

Does the fact that they are not recorded give me license to hallucinate about them being assumed to heaven?

tartar9:
that same camel urine from the demons was what cured their illness you goat!

So, do you take camel piss?

dmandy:
I thank God that He has been able to open your eyes to accept the other attributes of a queen mother which the Virgin mother of Jesus possess. The good God who had started this good work in you will surely bring it to perfection through the Name of Jesus Christ our lord and Savior. Amen.

You have problem with The King receiving some form of counsel from the queen Mother, I will do my best to explain that to you and pray the Holy Spirit completes the work of explanation.

To counsel may mean to give advice or to recommend a course of action, If you go by the later definition, you will see that this role was perfectly played by the virgin queen at the wedding at Cana. When the wine was finished, the loving mother walked to Her King and suggested he do something about it knowing that Her King is able and capable. The one who commanded you and I to honor our parents did not disobey his own command, he did not throw the counsel (suggestion) of his mother to the dust.The Virgin mother also went to advice the disciples "do whatever He tells you." The best counsel of all times!!!

This is very intelligent of you.
Mary also fed Jesus Christ so she is still feeding him in heaven and attending wedding bashes in heaven and Jesus is still turning water into wine up there, right?

That counsel is the best and this is why I don't pray to demons to pray for me, I go straight to Jesus Christ!

Imagine those men going back to Mary to ask her to ask Jesus what to do AFTER this counsel!

Catholicism Satanism can't help but blow away its feet

AllNaijaBlogger:
Thanks. Your comment is inspirational.

If you don't mind me asking, where were you fellowshipping?

dmandy:
You can speak for yourself on that one. I also hate not just the putrid smell but the entirety of Satanism and paganism.

I hate what God hates and what God hates is sin not Mary.

You think Nobody knows? God knows and has revealed it to St. John the Apostle and every other person who care to ask Him 'Mary is heaven'.

If indeed you are a Christian, then you are also called to lead people from all ends of the earth to Christ.

Show me where John says Mary is in heaven.

Thanks

Jadonjack:
Why won't you think its a fabricated story when you probably havn't experience such

The reason it sounds fabricated is not because the experience is exotic in any way sir, I can assure you you are not the first. Caring for sick folks, I have done it, my friend recently buried his old man.

It sounds fabricated because nobody especially a warm blooded Negro so viciously attacks his own father in public in front of strangers. Made me doubt whether you had issues with your father before the illness.

Describe your relationship with your father right up to the illness and be honest.
1. Were you raised by both your parents?
2. Was your relationship strained in any way?
3. How often did you meet up your mother and father?

Jadonjack:
The kinda person you are shows ryt from the moment you start commenting on this thread, your life is full of insults.

Naturally, I shld be angry with you buh I'm not, you knw why? Because I knw you are a christian and I really dnt expect less

You have contradicted yourself severally in your tale but one thing you have maintained is anger against your old man.

You have some suppressed anger against your old man for whatever reasons and you won't hesitate to tell us how foolish he is. Negro, he is still your dad and you carry half of his genes.

Jadonjack:
Now I see you have a problem that is beyond ordinary. How does believing in james 5 equate with reciting james 5?!

It will do yu well to quote whr I said he was reciting d bible anywaiz

Merry Christmas my broda,
Did you indicate that he is presently stuck on James 5?

Am sorry for anybody who has exploited your misfortune in the name of prayer and swindled you money. Jesus commanded his disciples to FREELY give what they had received. Nobody should collect a single cent in exchange for prayers whether they work. These are charlatans who give Christianity a bad name.

frank317:
Oh pls shut up.

You have repeated that the Op call his dad a Fool so many times when the op never said so. Read ur words below



The call the man names and accuse the op of doing so.

It's just like saying "I would have called you stupid if I didn't love you"

What do you stand to gain by acting like you lost ur self control?

I have not insulted his dad sir,
He said his dad is dumb,lost power of speech.

I know dumb also means idiot but I qualified that by indicating he lost his power of speech.

If you really have to criticize me, be truthful. Am all for honoring parents and covering their unclothedness.

AllNaijaBlogger:
Vooks, is this you?

Sir, you raised reasonable questions and objections. I'm surprised but happy at these things you have said.


1. Some of the things I mentioned have added a new dimension in these times. Materialism has gone mad- atm machines and POS inside church?!!!

2. Very true

3. It is a very good idea, you have put forward

4. Frankly, I do not know. Maybe because of cultural relevance and that Jesus is still an interesting figure?

Sir this is vooks not Vooks

I don't recall the last time I listened to TD Jakes but one memorable thing he said was,'sometimes your purpose is wrapped in the things that annoy you the most..' He went on to give examples. You come to church and the music is just atrocious to your eardrums or the sitting arrangements and God may be calling you to reform these.

I think that's a good point. Martin Luther was disgusted by the rot that Catholicism had become and that is how Reformation was born.

About materialism, I think you have a point although I won't be quick to dismiss technology as materialism. In the 80s I recall all we had was a tray passing around. Nowadays we have mobile wallets and debit cards and checks. Why should we shun from these? We had scrolls and books hundreds of years ago, now we have ebooks and tablets and tv and satellite not to mention Internet.

The reason I mentioned hindsight excuses is because naturally we tend to shift responsibility onto something or somebody else for our fail. If you have lost your faith and only cling to Christianity for formality, you don't have to blame everything but yourself. I'd think you being innocent of all these things you accuse other Christians, you ought to have been the salt, affecting them for better, pulling them up. Anyway, regardless of who/what is responsible for your loss of faith,to God you stand alone, else Judas may as well have blamed his poverty for itchy fingers that led him to betray his Master

Think about a church hard my friend. Let me borrow a cliche I think from Mandela, 'be the change you want'

And finally, I don't know if it is really a good idea to hold on to bits of Christianity. One atheist told me he is all for Christian values minus the supernatural 'hullabaloo'. I think there are some tenets of Christianity you drop and you cease being a Christian regardless of how good you are.

I strongly believe the best cure for whatever ails Christianity is INTERNAL criticism. When as a born again Christian I speak against materialism,or idolizing ministers am more likely to be heard than Richard Dawkins

God bless you for your candidness.

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AllNaijaBlogger:
First of all, I will like to make it clear that I am a christian but I have become less religious. I was a strong christian when I came to Nairaland but I started losing some faith after spending about a year on the religion section. I still write about religion but I'm not as prolific as I used to be. http://allnaijablog.com/religion

Here are the things I believe causes people to lose faith in the religion section-


1) Excessive materialism;
Some Christians act as if God is Oprah Winfrey- a celebrity that just gives money and free gifts to adoring fans. Worshipping God is much more than reaping materialistic rewards. God does not owe you a government contract, a house or a sports car. So much time and testimonies are spend on preaching and praying for materialistic rewards that some people are turned off religion. What about the enrichment of the soul? The fruits of the spirits? Another dimension of this materialism is the worship of pastors' spending- when pastors buy luxury items (eg porche/ferrari), we see church members jumping and shouting. This brings me to my next point......


2) Worship of pastors instead of God
Some church members are slaves to their pastors. A man old enough to be the father of a young pastor, will be calling his pastor "daddy"! When pastors do wrong things, rather than correcting them, some of their church members on nairaland will be defending them. For instance, we have had people defending pastors who have slapped church members, pastors who have wasted money on luxury items and pastors who have told outright lies.


3) Christians arguing about things they don't know;
Many christians do not know their bible. Many christians do not understand science. This a huge problem on the religion section that atheists are happy to exploit. For instance, we see some christians arguing about evolution being false or claiming that Jesus was a rich man in the bible- both these things are false. Please, we should learn before we criticise


4) Badmouthing and blaspheming against other faiths;
Islam, atheism and paganism. None of the mentioned faiths or beliefs are devil worshipers but some christians treat them as such. Some people turn christianity into identity politics- just because someone is not a christian, they act as if christianity gives them the moral superiority.


5) Tithing;
While this is related to the materialism point, this deserves its own space. Tithing is one of the most single annoying thing that puts one off religion. God does not need a percentage of your money. Why ten percent? Is God now a numerologist? Why not 11 or 25 percent? why is it exactly 10 percent? The tithing issue has become so polarizing that it has caused a great division within christianity.
I personally do not mind giving offering to a church but two conditions must be adherred to- first is to understand that the money is going to the church (and not God) and secondly, it should never be forced on me or anyone. I prefer to give out of my heart than to give a forced percentage.







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Well sir,
1. All these things you mention are nothing new, in fact they are as old as Christianity

2. For everything you do, you can always fish for 1001 reasons for doing it once you've done it. They call it justifying your actions in some quarters

3. I once worked for a mean boss who never brooked problems. He required any problem identified to be accompanied by a solution. I don't know what solutions you have in mind but I can suggest one; why not start a movement/fellowship/church of yours that is FREE of these things so that once in it, your followers' faith will soar instead of depreciating?

4. Why are you still clinging to Christianity?

Thank you

KingEbukasBlog:
Vooks

I think we should these guys should wallow in their folly . Its a trick , the more we post the more its shown on Religion section's front page . The more innocent christians would be reading lies and having double thoughts .

They have a whatsapp group . Who knows the kind of lies they cogitate and spew here . See , non of the atheists are offering help instead its all about mocking the Christianity's beliefs .

Ok. Am unfollowing this thread asap