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Demmzy15

I need your input here

true2god:
I never quoted ibn ishaq or al-tabari, what I quoted is sahih bukhari concerning the mohammed sahabas who all concured to the fact that apostates should be killed, in lines with the instructions (or approval) of the islamic prophet. And of course saudi arabia, iran, pakistan understand this hadiths perfectly and are applying it, so I am not blanketly condemning anyone\group.

Can you please provide the list of 'authentic' hadiths we can quote so that we dont misunderstand islam\muslims any more?

You are a wise man.
Muslims when cornered will claim we are quoting discredited sources or scholars. So I asked this one for a list of authentic hadiths but I got none. They will wait till you point some other primitivity of foolishness out of a Hadith and then claim it is discredited. They won't give you a list BEFORE lest you point out some stupidity and corner them

Demmzy15:
This Christians are pervert, must everything be about sex?! Whenever you mention marriage to Christians their minds automatically translates sex, when you mention pole strippers pole is what their brain translates. Na Wa for you o!

You are brain damaged
Am quoting Islamic sources and practices and you think am the pervert?

https://www.nairaland.com/2746875/prophet-mohammed-practised-thighing-child#40168799

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKHewLgVUBk

Demmzy15:
He-goat see for yourself!

... the apocryphal literature is full of details, the non-admittance of these works into the Canon of the Sacred Books casts a strong suspicion upon their contents; and, even granted that some of the facts recorded by them may be founded on trustworthy traditions, it is in most instances next to impossible to discern and sift these particles of true history from the fancies with which they are associated....

Also

These dreams, as St. Jerome styles them, from which many a Christian artist has drawn his inspiration (see, for instance, Raphael's "Espousals of the Virgin", are void of authority; they nevertheless acquired in the course of ages some popularity; in them some ecclesiastical writers sought the answer to the well-known difficulty arising from the mention in the Gospel of "the Lord's brothers"; from them also popular credulity has, contrary to all probability, as well as to the tradition witnessed by old works of art, retained the belief that St. Joseph was an old man at the time of marriage with the Mother of God.

So Mr man just like the hadith in which some are untrue, the same goes to the apocryphal. I'll appreciate it if you can prove specifically that the ages of Mary and Joseph are fabricated or untrue. Please do that rather than pouring spit on my phone screen!

Neanderthal
First rule of logic: you can't prove a negative
I can't prove that Mary and Joseph age WERE NOT X and Y respectively; the burden of proof is on you to prove your own claims. If you claim they were x and y, you prove it. Making claims and then ordering me to disprove them is asinine. Substantiate your claim.

Is it in doubt that Aisha was married off at 6 and Mohammed raped her at least officially from the age of 9?

frank317:
1. Purpose and ominipotence are incompatible because purpose is a human attribute and omnipotence is not a human attribute. (Dont repeat this question again. If u think its wrong tell)

2. Its a human attribute because its in our vocabulary. It is what guides us as humans to achieve something. We use the word to explain what we know about our environment in terms of achievement.

3.Purpose is a reason for which something done or created. It is also a person's sense of resolved determination.

Do u see how questions are answered. Because I will soon be asking u mine, I expect to answer this way.

Think through your definition. If purpose is the reason for doing something, dont you think God who created man did it for a PURPOSE?

If I make a knife, the purpose of he knife is cutting. I the knife maker most certainly had a purpose behind making a knife. Do you see purpose is not incompatible with creation/God? The knife as my creation has a specific purpose and I as its creator have a specific purpose for making it.

Once again, how is purpose a human attribute? Purpose is a REASON and any intelligent being can have purpose. God is intelligent, He is full of wisdom. So how is reason incompatible with Him

MrPresident1:
This is meat for the children, it is not for dogs.

Every ret@rd I ran into claims so

Homosexuality, what does it allegorize

HaneefahRN:
Typical Christian with their arguments, I stopped reading ur stories when I saw the insults. U knw u can make an intelligent reply without insulting right?

Do you know how ret@rded it is to claim that a six year old never resisted marriage?
The least I expect from you is intelligent answers not nitwit canned responses.

Question, if there was no law against marrying six year olds and if a six year old consented to you marrying her, would you marry one and masturbate on her thighs?

frank317:
Actually, they are not compatible.

Purpose is a human attribute.
Omnipotence is not.

Being omnipotent should make him way way way above purpose. Being omnipotent should make him beyond what our brain can comprehend. This is why I always attack u religious folk. You claim your God is beyond human comprehension but then try to use human brain to comprehend him, how is that not foolishness?
You think if what ever created this world is conscious and wants to us to know him, I and you will be here making up stories about him? How ordinary u guys think your God is.

1. Why is PURPOSE and OMNIPOTENCE incompatible?
2. What makes PURPOSE a human attribute?
3. What is PURPOSE?

yazach:
Tony Anenih,81, with his new bride of 23. Where are the child/girl abuse wailers. They are suddenly silent. Theirs is only hypocrisy and double standard. 21 century

Fool, do you know the difference between 23 and 6?
Do you know how detestable marrying a toddler and waiting for her organs to mature enough to bear your joystick? Do you know how primitive it is to masturbate on a baby girl's thighs as you await for her to 'mature'?

yazach:
Who has your time? I just have to show you a dented part in your skull

It's not my fault that you can't think. IQ is largely static but am certain you can learn something. Stick around.

Now, would you kill your own mother if she apostasized, or would you entrust that 'noble' act to somebody else?

yazach:
If you are still ranting nonsense after all explanation he has given you, then you must be from another planet.

At least, Mother of your God (Marry) married a 90 years Old Joseph when she was 12. that one is enough for your to stop comparing events of thousands of years with 21 century

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm

That is concentrated idiocy and I regret responding to it.

Now, if you have at least half a neuron between your ears you would not have missed he highlighted

It will not be without interest to recall here, unreliable though they are, the lengthy stories concerning St. Joseph's marriage contained in the apocryphal writings. When forty years of age, Joseph married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others; they lived forty-nine years together and had six children, two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom was James (the Less, "the Lord's brother". A year after his wife's death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age. Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old

Demmzy15:
You see your life, when I was trashing you guys in that thread, you rats didn't show face o. But outside the forum you make nonsense mouth. Everything you ask for is on that thread, lemme just give you d link you asked for http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm The final note is Mary married 90years old Joseph when she was 12

M0ron are you literate?

It will not be without interest to recall here, unreliable though they are, the lengthy stories concerning St. Joseph's marriage contained in the apocryphal writings. When forty years of age, Joseph married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others; they lived forty-nine years together and had six children, two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom was James (the Less, "the Lord's brother". A year after his wife's death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age. Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old

HaneefahRN:
why do u pple keep shouting over an issue that happened 1400 years ago. Times av change and so av pple.

But Truth is constant, else if it changes across culture and time then it is worthless

U can't compare women back then to now.

Very true, but we are not comparing women but DOCTRINE. Do you think DOCTRINE should change with time?

U guys shld stop being hypocritical. Go back in history, About 200 yrs ago in US, the normal marriage ago for female was abt 7-12 yrs , let's compare this to 1400 yrs ago.

You are an idiot. If whatever Mohammed did 1400 years ago is inapplicable today, is it possible that Islam invented 1400 years ago is outdated?

Back then it was no big deal to see women marrying at age 9- 12 and boys at 14 becos the rate of growth and development might av been higher then. Back then u cld see a 16 yrs old as a commander of an army. But times av changed now a 12 yrs old wld probably still be struggling with JSS1 or 2, and babyish.

Aisha still had her dolls when she was married

The Prophet married Aisha at age 6 and she was brought into his household by age 9.

Question is whether this is worthy emulating. Is it or was Mohammed primitive

Aisha wasn't forced into the marriage as u all like to paint, neither was she maltreated in marriage.

What an slowpoke! So would you gladly marry a 6 year old if she 'consented' and there was no law against that?

She might or might not av been 9yr old but what stood out about her was her maturity, Intelligence, knowledge and contributions during and after the lifetime of the Prophet and She was reffered to as the 'Mother of the faithfuls'. She was one of the major contributors to the hadith of the Prophet and a teacher to both young and old, male and female.
So tell me if She hadn't been both physically and mentally mature but a wimpy, weepy, helpless, 9yr old like u all like to paint her, do u think she wld av made such impart?

She was very mature and that's why she had dolls when she was married.

HaneefahRN:
Thru the chain of narrators (Isnad)

Get me a list of genuine hadiths

madjnr:
you still haven't answered my question... I can't recall any point in the bible were Jesus said that law has an expiry date.

Jesus said
Jesus orders Christians to follow the Law of Moses in the Old Testament: "Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18) " It is quite clear from these verses from the New Testament that Jesus peace be upon him did honor the Old Testament and did say that every single "letter" of it has to be honored, followed and fulfilled.

FULFILL. Study that.

Now,the subject is Islam

Now will you answer my question

madjnr:
am saying some hadith are valid and some as are not. am only raising a point that some Christians use hadith that are not valid to put raise crazy claim

How does one determine which are valid and which are not?
Does Allah give guidelines for this or a list of the 'valid' ones?

madjnr:
lol expiry date? so when it's the expiry date? God law now has Nafdac no and expiry date

Your m0ronic gods perhaps but YHWH Laws have a purpose and once accomplished, they are no longer in effect.

Now, answer this simple question
Since apostasy is a capital crime, would you kill your mother if she apostasized?

HaneefahRN:
I will overlook all d other stories in ur write up since I'av given my reply.
But I need to change a notion wc actually shows how ignorant u are of Islam. Ibn Ishaq and Al- Tabari, are know to be very unreliable, with narration of very weak and fabricated hadiths, and stories abt the Prophet. Muslims take the Sira of Ibn Ishaq wt a pinch of salt, since it is well known for falsehood and gathering narations with unreliable sources or even fabricated ones. The Muslim critics are always quick to pick up his and Tabaris work thinking they av points, but we don't take them serious.

When I hear this I usually ask a Muslim, whose works are reliable, and is there OBJECTIVE consensus to this or the answer is as varied as fingerprints?

frank317:
Errm u are actually the clueless one here...

You call ur God almighty, so much bigger than me that my little brain cannot comprehend, then u talk about him like an ordinary human who, like us, has a purpose he has been working on and is pursuing.
I guess ur brain is too big that's why you can easily phantom that your God is also a project coordinator.

How is PURPOSE incompatible with OMNIPOTENCE?

Purpose is original intent. A knife was made to cut. You don't drink water with a knife because that is not its purpose. Comprende?

madjnr:
they don't cos they do not follow the bible... but it is mentioned in their book

It is mentioned and so is circumcision and abstinence from pork. It is included in the Torah which had an expiry date; the death of Jesus Christ. Also mentioned is animal sacrifices as well as no planting of two different crops on the same field.

Now, after digression and an asinine attempt to insinuate that Holy Bible is just as bad as Quran, tell us; would you marry a two year old and masturbate on her thighs till she is old enough for penetration?

madjnr:
[b]was the prophet age and that of Aisha stated in the Quran? [/b]but you guys don't apply this logic when it comes to issues relating to Islam... you're all hypocrite

You are silly, are you saying that you only follow Quran and no hadiths? Would you then agree that the hadiths are corruption of the true faith of Islam and their followers are in danger of your version of hell?

Soulprovider:
immaturity and insecurity at its peak. If you're not interested in what he's saying simply keep shut and ignore rather than spew rubbish

Touched a raw nerve I see.

Garbage is garbage my broda ooo

pneumaticos:
Vooks it important to know that God is beyound human understanding.
the working of the spirit in each man is different hence the reasons why christianity seems to be confusing,to the extent you have bible believing pastors attacking each other...and yes I saw his mistake through his teachings...some churches even believe he is one of the end time prophecy as seen in revelation...but one thing I cannot dispute is that he was called by God....big mistake out of his spoken word massages, but all together called by God, so I leave him till the day come when I can fully understand why he said those things he said

God is beyond human understanding but He calls us to JUDGE prophecies and prophets. If a 'prophet' insisted on marathon sex with say your wife, you would not just 'leave him till the day come when I fully understand...'

We have the scriptures which are a yardstick we are supposed to measure doctrines. Perish personal revelations that contradict the revealed Word of God.

Am a Pentecostal or at least as close to one as you can get but this movement downplays scriptures and instead elevates experiences and revelations. I don't care if you can split Pacific Ocean or crack the moon into two, I need your doctrine right or I will rebuke you right away.
You can't dispute he was called of God? May I ask on what basis you arrive at this conclusion?

missKiffy:
I didn't make the rules

According to scriptures, the first day of the week is Sunday. Saturday is the seventh day. The very word sabbath means SEVEN, seventh day

KelvinKelt:
Is there anything like obsolete in God's works? Should de sabbath day be ignored completely?

Yes there plenty of obsolete stuff. For instance, the Jewish Feasts.
Don't ignore the Sabbath, Scriptures tell us it is a shadow. Focus on the reality of Sabbath which is Christ.

Colossians 2:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Another one is circumcision

ogahlouiskid18:
Any time i get to church During prayer session.
Out pastor ask us to lift our Hands Up.

Does it really mean that angel only give people that Raises Their Hands Up blessings.

Since it is not commanded in the bible,
It time we stop, because it is punishment
Or
If you have Any contribution please comment

Why do you go to church in the first place kid?

mikewonder:
As much as we re in a technological age is it right to chose Ur smartphone over ur bible when going to church
lalasticlala a little help pls..

It is very wrong just as is driving to church whereas you should walk or ride on donkeys instead

KelvinKelt:
Well I did thought that way, but I'm okay by ur explanation. If u wish to further educate me, u're free. Thanks so much

Jews had holy days designated so by God Himself but not Christians. But there are some Christians who mistakenly imagine that Sunday substituted Saturday as the sabbath day. This is wrong. Sabbath is Saturday and is long obsolete.

pneumaticos:
How

Read that book

paulGrundy:
Yes he did make mistakes, and grevious ones too, but the supernatural signs he carried were unmistakeable.

Cc lalasticala

There is not a SINGLE supernatural sign he ever performed. And even if he did, we test doctrine not signs.

For starters he lied about the halo, the cloud,cooked ALL his prophecies and staged their fulfilment just like TB Joshua.

Read that book. It is the most detailed account of a former Branhamite who hanged out with Branham.

KelvinKelt:
U're right(consensus). Lets leave it there.

Do you still think it was 'chosen as a sacred day'?

Branham was a charlatan and a blasphemer

http://www.banner.org.uk/media/books/William%20Branham.pdf