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madjnr:
lol very convenient... So once Jesus came you can now throw the law out of the window.... That's funny Coz Jesus never asked you to throw and trample on the law... He said he's not here to abolish the law but I see Christian of today ignoring the law...

He did not toss it out, he fulfilled all the requirements of the Law. Which other language can I use?

Anas09:
@vooks.
Sonoflucifer is doing the work of his father lucifer. It'll be strange if he refrains from it. Why won't he spit on Yahwey's throne? His father Lucifer thought he could get it, now his doomed to HELL, him and his boyscouts.
Blasphemy is Lucifer's L1.

Satanists are taught to blaspheme so as to distance them from the glory of God

sylvalord:
[color=grey]We shall see!! Keep quoting me puppet, please show the world how stupid and how addicted to me you are by quoting me again. If you ever stop quoting me, then you are a never-do- well and you hail from a family of bastards. Incorrigible swine!![/color]

You are a hopeless troll, and unfortunately you won't distract nobody with your antics

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Annunaki:
From: Did You Know Japan Bans Islam and ALL Muslims?

NEVER KNEW THIS ABOUT JAPAN

Have you ever read in the newspaper that a political leader or a prime minister from an Islamic nation has visited Japan? Have you ever come across news that the Ayatollah of Iran or the King of Saudi Arabia or even a Saudi Prince has visited Japan? Japan is a country keeping Islam at bay. Japan has put strict restrictions on Islam and ALL Muslims.

The reasons are :

1) Japan is the only nation that does not give citizenship to Muslims.

2) In Japan permanent residency is not given to Muslims.

3) There is a strong ban on the propagation of Islam in Japan.

4) In the University of Japan, Arabic or any Islamic language is not taught.

5) One cannot import a 'Koran' published in the Arabic language.

6) According to data published by the Japanese government, it has given temporary residency to only 2 lakhs, Muslims, who must follow the Japanese Law of the Land. These Muslims should speak Japanese and carry their religious rituals in their homes.

7) Japan is the only country in the world that has a negligible number of embassies in Islamic countries.

Japanese people are not attracted to Islam at all.

9) Muslims residing in Japan are the employees of foreign companies.

10) Even today, visas are not granted to Muslim doctors, engineers or managers sent by foreign companies.

11) In the majority of companies it is stated in their regulations that no Muslims should apply for a job.

12) The Japanese government is of the opinion that Muslims are fundamentalist and even in the era of globalization they are not willing to change their Muslim laws.

13) Muslims cannot even think about renting a house in Japan .

14) If anyone comes to know that his neighbor is a Muslim then the whole neighborhood stays alert.

15) No one can start an Islamic cell or Arabic 'Madrasa' in Japan.

There is no Sharia law in Japan .

16) If a Japanese woman marries a Muslim then she is considered an outcast forever.

17) According to Mr. Kumiko Yagi, Professor of Arab/Islamic Studies at Tokyo University of Foreign Studies, "There is a mind frame in Japan that Islam is a very narrow minded religion and one should stay away from it."

VERY SMART PEOPLE, THESE JAPANESE !

Source: https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t974911/

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Please desist from propagating lies
https://www.truthorfiction.com/japan-muslim/

madjnr:
you still haven't explicitly said what the law accomplished and why is not being use by you guys

You need to get used to brains not rote.
How else do you want me to put it?
The accomplished pointing Israel to the Messiah. Once the Messiah was come, there was no more need for the Law. Henceforth it is Christ we look to. Think through that slowly and in the mean time remember no amount of digression changes the fact that Islam is a primitive religion that is so disgusting and insecure that it uses FORCE to and intimidation to suppress free thought

sylvalord:
[color=grey] Pissing your pants? Stay off my path for your own good. Why are you so obsessed with me? Must you quote me? Fvck off!![/color]

I want you to make good your silly threats

madjnr:
lol you just made that up... You can't even back it up..

Nope, am educating you so you can flee from primitivity and ignorance. Jesus Christ the Son of God fulfilled the Law

Demmzy15:
The same source also claimed the it was retained tradition that Joseph was an old man during his marriage with mother of god. Concerning the apocrypha, scholars said this:

“Apocrypha is a plural word (singular: apocryphan) that originally denoted hidden or secret writings, to be read only by initiates into a given Christian group.”
The Meaning of the Dead Sea Scrolls By James VanderKam, Peter Flint chapter 8

“The term apocryphan signifies “that which is hidden” or “concealed”– some intimate secret shared only by the chosen few.”
Poetics of the Gnostic Universe: Narrative And Cosmology in the Apocryphon of John By Zlatko Plese page 7

No reasonable person would say the apocrypha are UNRELIABLE, people making this claim are Christian apologetic who knows this document has opened their yansh. So my friend give me an age, if you can't, then I'm correct!

Don't disappoint your fans here, they're looking up to you.

Cc Annunaki!

Neanderthal, what part of these supports you. If they are so hidden, has it occurred to your puny brains that Joseph was an allegory or a poem?

But most importantly, how does the supposed age difference between Mary and Joseph salvage your primitive prophet who masturbated off a 6 year old as her organs matured enough to handle his wrinkled joystick?

sonOfLucifer:
What does he survive on?

Christian brains?

He is Jesus Christ King of Kings the Creator of all. What makes you think he must survive on something?

Demmzy15:
The same source also claimed the it was retained tradition that Joseph was an old man during his marriage with mother of god. Concerning the apocrypha, scholars said this:

“Apocrypha is a plural word (singular: apocryphan) that originally denoted hidden or secret writings, to be read only by initiates into a given Christian group.”
The Meaning of the Dead Sea Scrolls By James VanderKam, Peter Flint chapter 8

“The term apocryphan signifies “that which is hidden” or “concealed”– some intimate secret shared only by the chosen few.”
Poetics of the Gnostic Universe: Narrative And Cosmology in the Apocryphon of John By Zlatko Plese page 7

No reasonable person would say the apocrypha are UNRELIABLE, people making this claim are Christian apologetic who knows this document has opened their yansh. So my friend give me an age, if you can't, then I'm correct!

Don't disappoint your fans here, they're looking up to you.

Cc Annunaki!

M0ron you are beyond help

sonOfLucifer:
Stop spreading lies in the name of the Holie Spirit. I curse you and your dead Jew Jesus. I spit on Yahweh's throne.

My Negro you blaspheme. Stop it

sylvalord:
[color=grey]If you ever mention my moniker in any of your baseless writeups again, you will regret ever coming across sylvalord. I am warning you and i am calling anyone that remotely knows you to warn you because by the time i am through with you, noone will want to associate with you. TO BE FORE WARNED IS TO BE FORE HARMED[/color]

Silly threats

mahdino:
OK PLEASE DEFEND THESE YOUR BARBARIC ACTS




1. All 70,000 inhabitants of Jerusalem, mostly Muslims, were massacred by the European Crusaders on July 15, 1099, "the blood was ankle-deep".

2. After the massacre of Antioch by the European Crusaders in June 1098 "no Muslims was alive". Massacres of Muslims happen also in Asklan (1099), Aka (1104), Antioch (1098), Beruit (1110) and Tropolie (1102).

3. During the Inquisition, in Spain and Portugal the choice for Muslims were to "leave, convert or be burnt at the stake". The decree was only suppressed on July 15, 1834 after all Muslims were killed or left. Massacres of Muslims happened in Toledo (1085), Lisbon (1147), Cordoba (1236), Seville (1248), Maria (1266) and Granada (1492), "Promises of religious toleration were not kept".

4. The Mongols slaughtered millions of Muslims (1219-1260) in India, Persia, Iraq and central Asia including the Abbasia Caliph and his officials. The sack of Baghdad (Feb. 13, 1258) and the massacred of its population lasted more than 17 days and an estimated two million Muslims were massacred in Baghdad alone.

5. In Bosnia, Kosovo and Chechnya (1992-present) over than 200,000 Muslims were massacred and over 1.5 million Muslims were wounded, become homeless or exiled. Over 50,000 Muslim women and girls were raped.

6. Some 15 million Africans were taken as slaves to the Americans. More than half were Muslims. More than 3 million perished at sea, more than half were Muslims.

7. Following Deir Yassin massacre, Palestine, April 9-10, 1948, where 250 were killed by armed Jewish settlers, 100's of thousands left their homes in fear. Today there are over 3 million Palestinians refuges and exiles.

8. Israeli Lieutenant Dunhan reported to the command officer, after the October 29, 1956 massacre of Kafr Qasem, where 43 were shot by the army, "minus 15 Arabs ... it is difficult to count ... "

9. During September 15-18, 1982, Israeli-backed Phalagist militia massacred an estimated 50,000 Palestinians in Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Lebanon.

10. During 1932-1957, at Russia's Arctic Vorkuta concentration camps a total of 6 million died, more than one third were Muslims.

11. On February 25, 1994 a Jewish settler shot dead in cold blood 60 Muslim worshipers at the Ibrahimi mosque, Hebron. Thirty more died when they demonstrated against the massacre.

12. On March 16, 1988, the Kurdish town of Halabja (population 45,000), Iraq, was bombarded with chemical weapons. An estimated 5,000 died and 1,000's seriously wounded.

13. For the last 8 years, the entire population of Iraq has been subjected to brutal sanctions. As a result over 1 million died including 575,000 children.

14. Several thousand Muslims were massacred in Philippines, Kashmir and Thailand (1970's-present).

15. On April 18, 1996, over 100 Muslims were massacred in the UN compound in Qana, Lebanon by the Israeli army.

16. Millions of Muslims civilians were massacred by the imperial powers of Europe in Africa and Asia (1500's to 1900's).

17. Hundreds of thousands of Muslims were massacred during and prior to the partition of India in the 1940's.

18. Thousands of Muslim civilians were victims of Israeli bombings and shelling in South Lebanon for the last 26 years. Hundreds of thousands were displaced.

19.Thousands of Muslims killed by USA in Iraq and Afghanistan.

What a religion! Despite their wars against Muslim civilians, against Hijab, despite their relentless efforts to tarnish its reputation, their intimidations by labeling Muslims as terrorists and fundamentalists, despite all of this, Islam remains the number one religion in terms of being practiced and accepted by the people in the whole world. It is the only religion that addresses your intellect as well as your soul. I wonder what would happen if the enemies of Islam gave it a fair chance to connect to the people without any intervention from the media. It always brings me Joy to be part of this great religion; Islam. All praise be to Allah almighty !!!

" He (Allah almighty) it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the unbelievers detest."
(Qur'an 9:33)

"So, be patient. Surely Allah’s promise is true, and let not the disbelievers shake your firmness ."
(Qur'an 30:60)

Pedophile!
You are a genius in foolishness. Why did you omit 1994 Rwanda genocide where 1.1M lost their lives in under 100 days?

smarthG:
If Islam and Sharia permits killing those they claim has blasphemed against Mohamed, then Boko Haram is judged right killing perceived Enemies of God.
That mean Boko even Exalts God far more than Mohammed while those that claim to be doing it right (Ordinary practising muslim) are grossly WRONG. Islam is not a good religion.
jooooor.

There is always a defence for every babaric act

The important question would be, WHO is supposed to kill the apostates? Is it the government or is it the duty of every Muslim?

MrPresident1:
This thread is for people who want to be able to open their Bibles and be able to comprehend what is written therein. It is not very easy to understand the prophets because they did not speak plainly, they spoke most times figuratively. Your literal Bibles are all fake.

I am showing the people who are interested in the Bible how to read it and understand it.

I am only here to provide guidance and help to the willing and ready.

You want to understand God's mind more? Those rules are for you.

You are satisfied with what you know? Just move on.

M0ron, you are the one who is fake and you can't see it.

MrPresident1:

What about beastiality?
And before I forget what about the dude who was slain for interuptus? What is hat allegorizing?

madjnr:
what purpose is that please

Pointing Israel to Christ

Demmzy15:
I didn't concoct the ages from my head, they're present in the apocryphal in which were written the same time with the Canonical Gospels. I need an age, these are humans not myth, so find me their ages.



You're the uncivilized person here, I wanted an age so I searched the bible. I didn't find, I then found it in a material which is close to the bible. The evidence is there, you haven't disprove anything. If I'm lying then give me an age, I'm interested!



Why can't you use Jesus?! It's an established fact that biblical jesus never married and probably didn't have a crush on anyone so he's likely to be a gay! If there's a document that states the above assertion, it's my duty to disprove but it doesn't exist. But the ages of both are found in documents which were written around the same time the Canon gospel.



These dreams, as St. Jerome styles them, from which many a Christian artist has drawn his inspiration (see, for instance, Raphael's "Espousals of the Virgin", are void of authority; they nevertheless acquired in the course of ages some popularity; in them some ecclesiastical writers sought the answer to the well-known difficulty arising from the mention in the Gospel of "the Lord's brothers"; from them also popular credulity has, contrary to all probability, as well as to the tradition witnessed by old works of art, retained the belief that St. Joseph was an old man at the time of marriage with the Mother of God

Now disprove that this is a lie, Muslims never wrote this. In fact they were written hundreds oof years before the birth of Prophet Muhammad. If I'm lying give me their ages!



I copied my info from a Christian site which shows Christians believe in it, if they didn't, the article wouldn't be in the first place. So you're not making any sense here.

Are you telling me that the since the biblical god told us to cure leprosy by twisting neck of birds mixed with eggs, Christians still do it today?! I think you're beginning to run mad!



OK that's your business, no wonder we have over 10,000 Christian sects all claiming to be the rightful follower of Christ. Spot on!



Pervert, already showing how unmannered you're. Very irrelevant, sha give me their ages. No one would forget how your pedophile god told his jihadists to keep young virgins for him, one wonders what he uses them for.



I can see you're frustrated, sha find me their ages. Shikena!

Now, thinking is a skill you would do well to practice.

The same source tells you the apocrypha are UNRELIABLE.

madjnr:
what do you mean by realized in Christ? and how does that stop you from following the law the way Jesus told you

Accomplished means exactly that bro. The Law had served its purpose

Annunaki:
Naaa I am sure she will find it revolting but she can't admit it here since she has been brain washed from birth the mohamed is islam's best and that he is not to be criticised no matter how vile what he does is.

If she can part her 2 year old daughter thighs so a 90 year old can jerk off on them then I'd give her an ear

madjnr:
lol do you understand English at all? fulfilled means to accomplish something not to put an expiry date to something

What does 'accomplishing the Law' mean?
It means every purpose of Torah is realized in Christ.

Now, you may digress all your life but the truth is Islam is primitive and ret@rded and no amount of fingerpointing can change that

madjnr:
if you're any wiser.. you will notice he said he's not here to abolish the law or put an end to it but to fulfilled it... so you must also follow the law

What is FULFILL?

Demmzy15:
You no get work abi, give me the authentic original video of the sheikh speaking. I can't waste my time listening and translating, show me the hadith of the supposed thighing!

Much as I hope and pray you are delivered from stupidity, I can't think for you

true2god:
Although the quran didnt specifically asked muslims to kill apostates, just as the quran did not ask muslims to pray 5 times a day, the hadith (which forms 90% of islamic laws and which act as interpreter for the quran) recommended death for apostates. The scholars who are opposed to death for apostates are in the minority and irrelevant in islamic authority and most are secular muslims who do not hold a conservative view of certain islam doctrines. Some of them grew up in the west, hence the change in orientations about life.

All the 5 schools of islamic jurispundence cant be wrong on this matter, unless you are tacitly telling me that islam is false.

Have you noticed they are just regurgitating Islam apologetic sites without quoting specifically the dissenting jurists?

You need to appreciate that the very term apostasy had evolved significantly over the years and was the cause of some intra-Muslim wars.

Read this
http://www.worldhistory.biz/sundries/30595-apostasy.html

Annunaki:
The poor boy is too thoroughly ashamed of his paedophile prophet to comment here, I am sure he will cursing his ancestors now for accepting islam.

Am certain HaneefahRN would not mind a 90 year old jerking off on her thighs at the age of two or her 6 months old daughter because she did not object to it

HaneefahRN:
Notable scholars that do not support the death penalty and compulsion in religion are Maliki jurist Abul- Walid Al-Baji, Hanbali Jurist Ibn Taymiyyah, Ibn Kathir, Ibn Qayyim, Shalbut, Tantawi. Who agreed death penalty is unwarranted unless the apostasy is accompanied by rebellion against the community

Questions you may want to ponder
1. Is there consensus in Hanbali or Maliki school on punishment if at all for apostasy?
2. Define 'rebellion against community'

HaneefahRN:
If throwing insults like a toddler throwing tantrums is ur idea of common sense, I don't want to know what ur stupidity wld entail

I said you are excused but since you opted to stay, I will proceed and learn. I don't insult, am just firm in instilling knowledge

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HaneefahRN:
I never said u quoted their works, but u made mention that Muslims depend a lot on their works.
U av to know that to consider an hadith authentic, the chain of narrators must be strong.
Although these hadiths seemingly seem strong due to the credibility of Sahih Bukhari bt they actually aren't due to faults in their chains of transmission.
First and most important the Quran has no backing for killing apostates and made it clear there is no compulsion in religion.
It is also shown that the authentic words of the prophet prescribes no punishment for apostasy, 'refer to former post'. The hadiths wt prescribed punishment are queried.
Weak links are:
- If the prophet had wanted to give a law concerning apostasy prescribing such serious punishment as death he wld av made it known to a large no of companions and pple who wld then pass it to successors. These hadiths wld av been widely reported by many companions not just one.
- Most of the early Muslim scholars seem to be unaware of the penalty. Notable are Ibrahim Al-Nakha'i (a teacher to imam Abu-Hanifah) and also Sufyan Al-Thawri who ruled that apostates shld be invited into Islam as long as they repent. These were leading hadith experts and wld av followed the penalty if it had been prescribed
- These hadiths aren't as strong as an hadith prescribing death shld. Considering the chain of transmission. The hadith is narrated only by Ayyub Al-Sakhitiyani in 3rd generation, only Ikrimah in 2nd generation and Ibn Abbas in 1st generation. In addition there are some of these narrations wt no companion in the isnad. This means only few pple narrated in the 2nd and 3rd generation, and only one wt Ibn Abass is quoted.
Worthy of note is Ibn Abass was just a boy of 13yrs at the death of the Prophet, so it's inconceivable tht the Prophet will give a law prescribing death to only a 13yrs old to transmit.
- the reliability of Ikrimah is questioned and has been seen as not trustworthy by notable hadith scholars. He was known to attribute false traditions to Ibn Abass. Notable hadith collectors like Muslim and Malik disliked mentioning him as a narrator unless supported by more trustworthy narrators to strengthen the chain. And this is why none of these hadiths can be found in Muslim. He was known to be a khawarij, who blive and practised killing Muslims considered apostates and opponents of Ali. He was reported to av once said 'he wished he had a spear to kill all that had come for hajj this yr'
'They are all apostates'
- Many of the narrations av several differences from each other
The narrations I-III abt burning
I- we are not told whether Ali came to know Ibn Abass rejection.
II-Woe to Ibn Abass or some said 'Woe to Ibn Abass mother'
III- Ibn Abass said the truth
The word used to describe the pple 'burnt'
I- zanadiqah- atheists
II- apostate
III- pple who worshipped idols
We can see the hadith suffered changes and can't be trusted enof to base a law on.
- The hadith requires us to know Ali (a companion who had been wt d prophet for abt 23yrs) did nt knw d prophet's prohibition abt burning pple or ignored it, while Ibn Abass who only spent 3 yrs (10-13yrs) knew abt it. Even if this had supposedly happened the other companions wld av called Ali to order, and certainly such acts wld av been widely known by a lot of pple then and passed on to successors. But apart from this report, no other person reported such, and it was never seen in any book of Islamic history.
- 'Whoever changed his religion, kill him' appears rather careless in it's formulation and wasn't clarified nor elaborated in other hadiths. Usually laws were given in context and difficult to blive it came from the prophet
- These hadiths are mostly related to 3rd generation narrators like Ayyub, Qatadah, Zayh bn Aslam.
Zayd didn't give any source for the hadith while Qatadah narrated from a) Al-Hasanb) Al-Anas
This is however unlikely since they av a large no of studts bt only Qatadah narrated it, wc makes d isnad doubtful.
Conclusion- there is no basis for killing apostates in the Quran and the Prophet never killed any apostate. The hadiths claiming the penalty av weakness in their chains bt were gradually widely accepted by the 3rd generation was the appealing nature of loyalty to one's grp wc was founded in cultures and traditions then, the Jewish tradition for death to apostates,the Romans and later Christians who killed heretics and witches.

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Hadiths are the bedrock for Islam and usually when defensive Muslims claim that a practice is derived from Hadith and not Quran, my first question is which hadiths hey consider genuine(sahih). This question has been side stepped for obvious reasons; you don't want to name a reliable Hadith only to find a detestable practice in it. Very smart of you.

If it helps, Quran is grossly incomplete religious text and you have to resort to non-Islamic texts to make sense of your religion. It for instance is totally silent on prayers. You have to resort to hadiths to pray 5 times facing Mecca.

In short, it is disingenuous and hypocritical to downplay hadiths and to set them against Quran when it suits you.


The other lame excuse is that Islam was not the only religion that killed apostates. The fact of the matter is this is a red herring. Islam PRESENTLY is the only religion that is doing it. Little wonder many countries that pretend to follow sharia have death sentence for apostates be it Sudan,Iran, Saudi Arabia....I wish you would name any Islamic country where apostasy is not a crime or a punishable crime.

Back to hadiths and history
1. Do you have reliable hadiths that don't prescribe death for apostates?
2. Do you consider these to be reliable historical sources, the Sirat Rasulallahand Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir?
3. The Four main schools of Sunni jurisprudence-Maliki,Hannali.. are unanimous on this. Are they wrong?
4. Would you say that the Muslims who killed apostates were cold blooded murderers who had no clue what Islam was? This includes Ali and Abu Bakr the so called 'Guided Caliphs'. If such highly esteemed figures totally missed it despite their proximity to 'true Islam'/Mohammed, what hope do you have?

Demmzy15:
Look here, I have no time for bullsh't! What were their ages in the Bible, I need an age. Don't speculate. No one said the apocryphal is totally false, a Christian like you said you can't look into the apocryphal for issues concerning your faith and the ages of mary and Joseph is definitely not about faith. So find me their ages! If you can't then stfu and learn, Mary and Joseph married at far age gaps.



I didn't start a discussion about Prophet Muhammad and Aisha with you but Mary and Joseph, give me their ages from the bible. Are they not human?! I'm interested in their ages!

These dreams, as St. Jerome styles them, from which many a Christian artist has drawn his inspiration (see, for instance, Raphael's "Espousals of the Virgin", are void of authority; they nevertheless acquired in the course of ages some popularity; in them some ecclesiastical writers sought the answer to the well-known difficulty arising from the mention in the Gospel of "the Lord's brothers"; from them also popular credulity has, contrary to all probability, [size=18pt]as well as to the tradition witnessed by old works of art, retained the belief that St. Joseph was an old man at the time of marriage with the Mother of God[/size]

The Bible is silent on their age, but that is not to mean that any wild claim of their age will hold.

Civilized thinking demands if you make a claim you back it up with evidence first instead of challenging others to disprove you.

For instance, if I claim Mohammed was gay and he loved Jewish men stuffing his rectum and then I dared you to prove it was not so, that is insane.

So PROVE Mary was 12 year old and Joseph 90.

The other thing is even if it were so, Christians are under no obligation to follow after Joseph and Mary unlike you primitive fools who drink camel piss because Mohamed prescribed it. Jesus ate fish and no Christian makes silly rules out of that. Jesus spoke Hebrew and Aramaic and nobody is interested in these languages. You on the other hand hold Mohammed actions as the highest standards a human should strive for and that's why you have no qualms jerking off a 6 year old.

Finally you buffoon, the age difference between Mohammed and Aisha is not the problem, it is the age of Aisha that outs Mohammed as a deranged sex pest. How do you jerk off on thighs of an infant as you await her organs to mature to handle your dick?

Demmzy15:
I didn't abuse, so I'll like you respect that fact. Firstly, ask parisbookaddict I don't accept translations from MEMRI TV, so I'll appreciate you give me the original video. Don't think I'm a fool.

Secondly, I clicked the nonsense link and I found none of the above assertion, so make it more clear and glaring. I appreciate in future!

Then study Arabic your god's language and show any point you think they mistranslated

Start from 30:00. And make sure you have no hearing problems

HaneefahRN:
Abi jare my sister. I'm tired sef, I'av got to sleep soon. They wld keep asking questions bt when answered wld refuse it or start imagining faults.
Tht was why I ignored the Vooks guy, I dislike pple who can't chat or discuss in a mature, intelligent and civil manner, becos I can't be forced to come down to their lvls.
I just gave this guy a chance, if he bleeps up too, I'm out.
Av a gud nyt sis, may Allah protect us.

You just can't stand common sense and reason. You are excused

frank317:
Dont I think? Am I omnipotent? Are u omnipotent? Can u phantom the mindset of an u knowable God? Its not even possible to think this except u are omnipotent.


What if God tells u today that his realm in the omnipotent world is purposeless what will u say. The knife example u gave is still according to ur understanding of human. And you can't do more than that because that's the limit your brain can go. Now attributing this to God, who your minute brain cannot understand is a pure insult to God, dont u think?



Oga...purpose is a human attribute... I have already answered this question. U didn't even pick it to show the floor it has, u just keep on repeating the question.
You can't tell me Gid is an intelligent being... Again intelligence is a human attribute. Stop belittling your God with human attribute. Its only ominiptence among everything u said that is not a human attribute and I accept that.
What you call God's intelligence might have a whole different meaning you may never understand in his realm. You really err when u say God is intelligent. Intelligence is a function of the brain... Do you think your creator has a brain?

You are confused.
It seems like every attribute I share of God is contested. Since you are so sure God does not possess them, what is your idea of God?

God is the creator. Creation has a purpose which means the creator has a purpose. Creation oozes with design and sophistry. It means the creator is intelligent. So all I need to understand the nature of the Creator is the creation. Is this too much for your head to process?