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I believe this chapter will be best watched on anime, the thing didn't even end well

Tosyn007:
Naruto's


Wack please me with that Panel, how did Kaguya get in between them?

What chapter is that let me check it out

Tosyn007:
You forgot his sennin ability

Whose sennin ability?

Shuoo which ability again Kwa??

I know all the moves Sasuke can pull, it's just maybe how he pulls it but the other half that has been given to Naruto, I don't even know where that is apart from healing people and floating. Naruto has the element of surprise for use viewers.

Nani that part where Sasuke said he already hit it twice was epic!!!

Why I believe Naruto will win:

Sasuke has the rinnegan and we all know what he can do finish.

But I don't think we have seen the full extent to which Naruto can do.
He has not done anything with gurodama..

Apart from his super healing which totally blew my mind, we have not seen him do anything much with the half that sage gave him

Why are people giving this young man hope when there is absolutely None!!

Girls just wanna have fun at that age and in that new environment without a strong will, she is a gunner.

But like I said, don't let the fear of losing her make you to start accusing her when she fails to call or do some certain things.

Keep calm, be supportive, be encouraging, take another girl to keep your mind off things, get a life and be better.

Modified: Don't preach too many long sermons and think that the length of your words will help change anything! Things you say will not have effect. Or that her staying is a direct consequence of your actions.

It will hurt, it will burn, you may be broken but don't remain so and always remember that it's never your fault.

Let us look at the maths

Easily Hypnotized girl + Admission into school = Heartbreak

Bro let no body tell you any different. The girl will leave you or at the very least cheat on you.

She will be in a new environment, with new freedom and new attractions, seeing guys with different flashy things and she will begin to drift to those things. It's unavoidable.


The only thing you can do for yourself now is to build a life, find something profitable doing. Meet other girls get experience.

When dealing with your girlfriend never voice out your fears because she will start knowing how to lie to you and tell you what she wants you to hear that will give you the impression that she is still the same person you used to know.

It's difficult but never let fear control your reactions and your thinking, Fears of losing her, fears of believing that she is in fact drifting, fears of the pain. Reasons things from a logical and rational level so that you will be able to spot the signs and you will not deceive yourself.

You love her, she will leave, it will hurt and burn but you will be better off.

Realise your own worth and learn to be happy on your own.

firestar: Hello WackyJ1...

Seems like you being away has given you battle experience, ne?

How are ya?

Am good firestar Chan just had to come back for these special times.

How are the projects going?

Oh and Feraz,

Don't think Naruto would stand like that, a rigid hokage

The Sage of Six paths shared his power into two between Naruto and Sasuke

One half is his dojutsu and the other half is his physical strength and senjutsu

At this point perhaps they would have both been equal

But the power which he acquired later in life is being the Jinchuuriki of the Juubi that he didn't share, Naruto is the one that has the Chakra of all the tailed beasts inside him

There is nothing I can say for Naruto apart from the fact that he has more battle experience especially against villains like Sasuke.

But basically it's just that strong Gut feeling that Naruto will win

This is one close fight that I am sure of Naruto's Victory.

rapmike: It was twice, first to transfer that nail that Tendo Pain planned to use on him and then to save Chouji from the rocket the other Pain fired at him.

KAKashi had already halfed his chakra at that point with the Lightening Clone he made to test tendo pain's technique

kimco: wat, it well known oro is weak against genjutsu. It's why he sort to gain a sharingan for himself so he cud counter and use one at will. Doesn't matter wat he did the genjutsu with, if he cud just genjutsu anyone he wud have along tym and ended this battle.

kimco: oro has been defeated three times in the manga. Twice by genjutsu and once by sealing in an eternal genjustsu. So forgive me if I come to the conclusion dat his weakness is genjutsu (occular genjutsu I mean) also I myt i have made the wrong conclusion, apologies there. It was nt for genjutsu. ( See wat I did dere, u guys shud try it sometym)

Kimco Kimco.

There is a way things happen in the naruto universe. Why is it that you are the only one in the entire naruto universe that knows that Orochimaru has a GenJutsu weakness.
Hiruzen Sarutobi his sensei never said it or mentioned it. Jiraiya his teamate for a long time never mentioned it. Kakashi did not even try it on him once (abi Kakashi cannot perform Occular Genjutsu?) and even with all his fame no body knew this? Kabuto did not even mention it in passing, tsunade nothing? Does that sound right to you? What you are doing is similar to what you observe Kishi doing and you call it a plot hole.

I will not excuse what you wrongly assumed, it cannot be waved away with just a simple apology because it is something even the most basic fan in naruto knows, and because it is not the end of your wrong assumptions. It was something that was clearly stated in the manga or rather anime, you watched or read it and still came to that conclusion. it means your pe

Let me say this, in the naruto world, there are different levels of ninja, training on how to break free from Genjutsu is basic and is given even at Gennin Level, Orochimaru was a sannin and a kage level ninja in his own right and now you want to tell me that because you saw one Genjutsu case and two specialised Cases that he now has a Genjutsu weakness?

Okay Kakashi has been paralysed by Orochimaru's Killing intent twice in his life. Can we therefore say that Kakashi has a Killing intent weakness?
Jiraiya Put Pain under a genjutsu, a genjutsu that from what i saw, except you are naturally deaf or you have been informed of before hand, you must fall under. Will you say that Pain had a Genjutsu weakness?
Kakashi has been hit with Itachi's genjutsu once and was in bed for a weak. Genjutsu weakness? Asuma's babe had itachi under a Genjutsu and it was reversed on her. Genjutsu weakness? (note the reversal case here I will revisit it later)
Deidera was put under Genjutsu by Itachi once, Genjutsu weakness?? (did he fall for Sasuke's own later? why?)

Okay now you say that Orochimaru fell under Genjutsu thrice, and then you proceeded to call all of them occular Genjutsu
The first was pure occular Genjustu from Itachi and from what i watched, he wasn't even under a hallucinatory justsu just one that paralyses a testament to Itachi's prowess with Genjutsu.

But for the second and third cases,
Sasuke merely used the power of his sharingan to reverse the process of taking over his consciouness on orochimaru, there was no genjutsu back then. Sasuke has already shown an ability to enter a Jincuuriki's consciousness and view the tailed beast within, was that a genjutsu?

Itachi's susanoo merely sealed Orochimaru, because it was said that it seals people in an eternal genjutsu you now concluded that orochimaru is weak against genjutsu. Orochimaru was sealed , defeated by a sealing technique not a genjutsu!

Em,

Harashima at full strength will give Sasuke tough time. Very tough time.

For Kimco to look at what happened between Itachi and Orochimaru and conclude that Orochimaru has a weakness in genjutsu.

A fact that has never been stated anywhere else in the entire manga series. That has never been shown anywhere else apart from those two occasions then I must say Kimco that you are reaching. The annoying fact is that you don't even know your Naruto well. Yet you come to point out plot holes. How won't they seem like plot holes to you when you don't pay attention to detail.

Another dumb assumption is that orochimaru wanted Sasuke for his eyes just to block genjutsu. Where was the stated.?


Why don't you enter Naruto wikia and read about orochimaru. If you need to refresh your memory of the level of ninja that orochimaru is
Why are you pulling facts from your arse??

WackyJ1: We have answered this before Kimco, they are chakra contructs.

Imagine the Ginger bread man, because he is alive does it mean that he is not made of bread again?

Whatever you think is on the body of the bijuus, fur, slim, rock, it's all chakra, when you take that chakra, they reduce in size because they are chakra contructs.

Or have you seen any human shrink (length, breath and height) because their chakra is taken? They just look extremely emanciated and malnourished, but they are still the same they don't shrink into the size of teddy bears

I don't know why Kimco ignored this post of mine and decided to keep arguing with Tosyn.

The Chakra of the ten tails was extracted from it and it's 'Body' was sealed into the moon. It's chakra was then separated into 9 and made in the form of beasts.

What else is the definition of chakra contructs?

kimco: I'm sorry. Calling all naruto fans here now. Please who here apart from wacky doesn't think genjutsu is a weakness to orochimaru? I mean the guy was genjutsued twice by two 16 year olds, using plain paralysis genjustu?

Stop beating around the Bush and say manga chapters at least or anime episodes. Which kids where? Hope you are not talking of fillers?

pickabeau1: if there were no inconsistencies these arguments would not go on and on and on and on and on

Now its sasuke vs hashi

Tomorrow its chakra vs souls

Next its minato making himself a jinchu

its your opinion to see naruto as perfect

It is mine to see it how I see it

PS I saw your post above on sasuke
Someone that barely made the dimension jump from obito's kamui and now can restrain 9 bijuu in one move
That make sense to you?

Pickabeau you are lazy.

Now in your last paragraph, you mentioned in comparison to things that Sasuke did. A dimension jump and restraining 9 bijuus in one move.

Who else in the ninja world have you seen jump dimensions?
You think Sasuke used his legs to walk or run to that portal? He wouldn't have made it. He teleported himself in just enough time to catch Sakura. He then revealed that it was one power that his eyes granted him.
Did he look strained when he appeared?

So I don't understand your comparison with the statement "someone who barely made a dimension jump" as if you have been seeing ninjas do it day in and day out.

You guys just see things that don't make sense to you and you label it inconsistencies.

Abi you think that Sasuke's chakra reservoirs are still the same as his own normally before he was given the rinnegan by the sage? Same with Naruto too.

kimco: wat, it well known oro is weak against genjutsu. It's why he sort to gain a sharingan for himself so he cud counter and use one at will. Doesn't matter wat he did the genjutsu with, if he cud just genjutsu anyone he wud have along tym and ended this battle.

Jesus oh!!!!

Well known what??!!!!

Plothole Kimco, Plothole!!!

And these are the people that keep claiming that kishi uses plotholes. Please you must provide adequate proof about this your claim!! Now!!

Mutaino Stop comparing Sasuke to those stone age people. I didn't see harashima in the fight against a madara that was the Jinchuuriki of the 10 tails.

Harashima came and if not for the fact that Naruto, and the other three Gokages were there he would have been long gone.

You think it is easy to do a Chibaku Tensei? You think Sasuke used his rinnegan to control them into being still? Look at how Nagano struggled with putting nine tails alone without it even in full form then you will understand and know that Sasuke and Naruto were just coming from an exhausting battle before Sasuke pulled that stunt.

I still reiterate that Hashirama will lose against the current Sasuke.



Pickabeau you are so keen to point out the inconsistencies when you have not fully had a grasp of the consistencies first.

kimco: so becos he cud take on all bijuus with sharingan means he's better than hashi? In naruto the one thing I've learnt is dat jux cos A>B doesn't mean A<C. Their weakness mostly dwells in genjutsu, like oro, however I don't think genjutsu can take on hashirama

Kimco has given orochimaru a Gen jutsu weakness.

Yes because he could take out all the Bijou with chibaku Tensei makes him better than Hashirama.
He didn't put them under a spell with his sharingan, it was with the rinnegan.

kimco: so den let me ask u, between sasuke and hashirama who is more intelligent?

intelligence is the way you conduct tour battles when you have little experience compared to your opponent or the situation at hand.

Respect Sasuke, he fought deidera who had already taken down a Kage. He fought about 4 Kages aline and on that same day he still went to fight Danzo and defeated him. No body helped him apart from chakra replenishing.

Sasuke is good, he has the intelligence and actually he is more intelligent that Hashirama. (isn't Tobirama more intelligent than Hashirama) but then Sasuke is just 16.
And where the scales are tipped now is that Sasuke is actually more powerful than Hashirama.

kimco: oh look at wacky, who avoided reading my earlier. I already made it clear dat all things being equal. Meaning dat if u make use of that knowledge den u're have power. Look at hidan with all that power and still lost to shikamaru, cos he failed to use his experience. He underestimated shikamaru. Do u see wat experience did to deidera when he fought against sasuke? He was immune to his genjutsu. dats cos he was intellingent enuff to make do of the knowledge he had gathered against itachi. Unlike anoda I know of (oro I'm looking at u) wacky learn dat all three are linked up.

Your basic assumption is flawed, experience does not lead to intelligence, it can lead to battle sense but that is different from intelligence. They are linked up but not in the way that you are talking about.

Where did deidera 's experience land him in the battle with Sasuke didn't he lose? Classic example of what intelligence does against experience.

Hidan is not powerful enough to win against the level of shikamarus intelligence. Intelligence is what makes them call those small kids with little or no experience that are doing wonders geniuses and prodigies. Kids like Kakashi, itachi and even Sasuke.


There is no level of intelligence that Hidan could have pulled up against shikamaru because
1. He wasn't strong enough to compensate
2. He actually doesn't have the experience of fighting someone like shikamaru.

kimco: with experience comes knowledge and intelligence. Which makes u a powerful person. If u think knowing how to use one's power doesn't equate power the I'm sorry. Take for instance orochimaru trying to kill nagato. He cud have den...however, with experience, grwoth and intelligence, nagato went soo high dat oro became his underling. Dats wat experience does to u. Power is no power untill u have learned to use it. Where there is knowledge, there is power- midway inc, mk3...........also wacky schooled me? Really? I must have missed that lecture.

Lool,

See kimco..

Alright Between the 39 year old sannin who fought in the second Abi third great ninja war and the teenager itachi who had more experience? Who cut whose hand off and chased him away from the akatsuki?

Kimco learn to differentiate between experience, intelligence and power.

kimco: they are not jux chakra. Everything points to dat fact...dem being babies den later adult bijuus. I believe minato meant to seal half of the kyuubi. Buh seriously the question begs again, why did kyuubi reduce in size if he had flesh like others?

We have answered this before Kimco, they are chakra contructs.

Imagine the Ginger bread man, because he is alive does it mean that he is not made of bread again?

Whatever you think is on the body of the bijuus, fur, slim, rock, it's all chakra, when you take that chakra, they reduce in size because they are chakra contructs.

Or have you seen any human shrink (length, breath and height) because their chakra is taken? They just look extremely emanciated and malnourished, but they are still the same they don't shrink into the size of teddy bears

kimco: so who added it to him? I'll like to knw.

madara did himself, he used it for his wound.

And in the manga page that Tosyn put madara told kabuto not to misunderstand, that he is not the one responsible for his power.

Please put the manga page or the manga chapter number where orochimaru weaved seals and Performed a ninjutsu at naruto

Tosyn007: Kabuto claims here that he tweaked Madara's body. You are willing to believe that Orochimaru's possession of zetsu is responsible for stronger restraint but how you're unwilling to apply this same logic that it was them possessing a zetsu that's responsible for them reviving with almost their full strength?

No!!

Look Edo Tensei is a jutsu

You develop a jutsu with knowledge not with cells,
He refined the technique or he just learnt Kabuto's refinement and that is what allowed them to be brought back to almost their full power.

Is there any if the people that Kabuto brought back that was not up to their full powers? Did he use Zetsu to bring them back? I am talking of the Kages and other powerful main ninjas.
Did he himself use a Zetsu host? But he had to collect chakra from anko to enable him have the power to strenghten the control.

If you don't know how to do something well, given you more energy does not mean you will still do it well.

kimco: yes. Neji was much more powerful than naruto. Neji cud use his power effectively while naruto cudn't. Hidan is still 10tyms more powerful dan shikamaru...and cud fully use his power. The whole idead of experience is to tell u that intelligence is key. With experience comes knowledge, therefore intelligence. If u don't learn from it then ofcos an inexperienced yet clever person wud always beat u.

I don't exactly get what point you are trying to make but intelligence is different from the knowledge gotten from experience.

It is intelligence and skill that made it possible for there to be certain people that were called geniuses even when they had little experience.

I have the believe that Itachi of the same age with Shikamaru would have trashed him in a battle.

Tosyn007: One can even say Kakashi used his sharingan much more than Obito

This statement just exhausted me.


Na WA sha

Tosyn007: Why not? Kakashi has been using his sharingan ever since he got it And actively too. But Obito started using his actively after Itachi died. Dude rarely fights

Who was the first person to use Kamui between Kakashi and Obito?

Obito 's sharingan is always on.

When it comes to Kamui, everything Obito does is Kamui, everything!!!
Kakashi started using his own in part two.

Go and rewatch your anime again,

Tosyn007: The ish is that you people think Orochimaru upgraded the edo tensei or degraded them as the case may be cos he chose to which I don't think is the case. I believe the ingredient he used to strengthen the restraint is the same ingredient responsible for them returning to their full strength. You'd remember Kabuto also did some tweaking on Madara, adding Hashi's DNA and youd notice that aside his rinnegan, he was much more stronger than the average Edo TEnsei

Orochimaru is not the inventor of the jutsu,

People refine techniques.. I didn't say upgrade. The jutsu that orochimaru used was not as strong as the one he used later, that was due to his abilities with the jutsu but because of time and all he had learnt whule observing Kabuto, he was able to ressurrect them to full power.

Why can't you say that because they were resurrect using Zetsu as sacrifices that they were able to come back with full powers? And the it would make sense for orochimaru to also have a Zetsu host to be able to hold them.

Nothing concern the Zetsu host in orochimaru to the refinement of the technique.


Kabuto is not the one that added Hashirama's DNA to madara. Personally I did not see anything that Kabuto added, it's just that Madara kept him quiet when he was making his claims.

pickabeau1: Your explanation makes sense albeit partially

However does not explain why minato was able to use the kyuubi cloak

Remember using it takes synchronization with the bihuu as he can mess u up by stealing your chakra yet minato managed it within the death god...
Hmmm

The problem i have like i said before is that you guys keep expecting Kishi to spoon feed you
you want to see Minato, a hokage level ninja that knew, dated and married a Jinchuuriki who was also an uzumaki for many many years to go through the same struggle that you saw his 16 year old son go through. The same minato that invented a seal that was stronger than Bee's yet allowed chakra to mix with his son's and still programme his and his wife's chakra into it.

congrats keep waiting

Tosyn007: Then I'll ask you what made them summoned at full strength this time around?

tobirama answered this question na

He told Orochimaru that his flaw was refining the technique and hence this time they were summoned with close to their full powers

Tosyn007: All I gave were reasons why I believed Hashirama broke the restraint, it was cos the jutsu was perfected using his cells. I gave you the zetsu possession as the fact behind it. Why you saying am adamant? Aint those facts up there?

The Jutsu was not perfected using Harashima's cells, orchimaru merely needed the Zetsu's body for two reasons
1. To have a body after sacrificing himself to release the souls
2. To have the strength from the cells to restrict the people he had ressurected