₦airaland Forum

BKayy:
Oga you people captured and enslaved only Ika people.You lots never stepped past your Ika slave field. Please stop calling them Igbo, we've all agreed that they are independent. Though you the slave masters reserve the right to say otherwise. The only issue I have with Omokri's brouhaha is that he called them "Igbo". Apart from that, I don't care less.

relax gee, nobody is a slave master. Even my people are a joke now. I was just trying to have a little conversation

BiafIntel:
What is this?

did you actually think that Brits who were not up to 200 magically manufactured soldiers numbering over 3,000 to complete the conquest?
It was done by Africans from the south African protectorate down to the Niger deltas. Britain have never won a real war on their own

IDENNAA:
No , you have seen it both on this thread and the one of yesterday but you have selective amnesia. Start with this; an Igbo trying to save Ika slaves


Nọnso Uche Nnajide wrote...

IGBO SLAVES AMONG THE ITSEKIRI?

So yesterday, an Itsekiri fellow on Facebook made the interesting claim that his people had many (emphasis on 'many') Igbo slaves. He went further to say that some of the descendants of these Igbo slaves still live in Delta State, and speak a hybrid language which he refused to mention. In the interest of intellectual discourse he probably should have mentioned it, and given interested parties the opportunity to verify or debunk the claims.

As far as the ethnic backgrounds of slaves in Itsekiri land is concerned, this is what the historian P. C. Lloyd wrote in his paper, "The Itsekiri in the Nineteenth Century: An Outline Social History":

Lloyd wrote: "A further change in Itsekiri social structure during the century was the development of domestic slavery. At the turn of the century the king held a large number of slaves, but the number owned by the chiefs is not known. The kingdom must have exported at least a thousand slaves annually. But with the decline of the slave trade, the supply did not cease, and slaves were integrated into the Itsekiri economy. Thus of Jakpa's 5000 people, Burton estimated that 600 - 700 were slaves of Diare. Olomu's slaves were variously numbered at 1000, 3000 and 4000.

"The slaves were never Itsekiri, rarely Ijoh. Most were Urhobo, often being men and women expelled from their communities for serious offences and sold in the riverside markets. Some were given to the Itsekiri as pledges for debts. The Itsekiri usually equate the price of a slave with a puncheon of oil. They assert that they never went to a war to capture slaves, though a favourite method of settling a debt or a quarrel was to seize a man's slaves. Other slaves came through the trade routes from Benin and Yoruba country where they had been captured in inter-tribal wars. Nana's most senior slaves were Ologun, a Yoruba, and Sagay, a Benin."

*Sagay is very clearly a corruption of the Bini name Osagie.

So there you have it. Itsekiri's slaves came primarily from the Urhobo; secondarily from the Yoruba and the Bini; and sometimes (though rarely) from the Ijọ. These are the people in the same geographical area as the Itsekiri and the people with whom they were involved in regular interactions. But our Itsekiri friend went over the heads of his neighbours to look for slaves among the Igbos located farther away.

I was going to just laugh at the story and go on with my business, but I realized there are Igbo people who may not be informed enough to see that this man lied through his teeth, hence my decision to talk about it here.

yes I read this. How does this debunk slave story? . Igbos were very close to the Benin kingdom and were mostly in small clans and community so it's not difficult to imagine Benin traders capturing some. I don't know about itsekiri I don't know itsekiri were ever relevant and organised enough to do the same

Lol I read the tirade from that guy on twitter where he created a 330 tweet thread. Half of the 300+ tweets were him repeating the what the clown, omokri said and talking about how he read linguistics.

IDENNAA:
Olisadebe/Osadebe/ Osadebe are all variants of the same name. You are a pathetic liar!! I am a confirmed Idemmili boy from Umuoji and Osadebe is a common name in Idemmili , Ogbaru and Onicha.

I dare you to list Bini people with such same. You think this is kindergarten class?

you are an idiot for calling me a liar who gives a shiiit what hellhole you crawled out from. Osadebe is a perfectly intelligible word here in Esan and Bini. Pronounce that name to anybody who can speak proper Esan or bini he will tell you it means God avert evil right there where you are standing. Uncouth savages tueeh

mancoconut:
Dude... Firstly Olisadebe is the full name for Osadebe (which he said himself in his autobiography), and last time I checked Olisadebe isn't an Edo name... Secondly the way its spelled is OSADEBE and not that rubbish you conjured... Lastly when did the late Osadebe ever identify himself as an Edo man? You do know he was one of the pioneers of the notion for the Anioma people to be joined with their Igbo kinsmen in the East right?

if it's olisadebe then that doesn't have any meaning here in Edo. Osadebe as a full name is a perfectly intelligible and coherent Edoid word. I don't care what tribe he holds affinity to all my arguments was regarding the name.

mancoconut:
So are you basically trying to claim Dennis Osadebe was an Edo man?

I said it's an Edo name right from the beginning.

Ariani:
Lol!

So like seriously, where did you see that Onitsha was founded by Bini People in that post?

You come here clowning around, we expose you, and you veer off the rails crying like an overgrown and overpampered baby.

Who exactly used Ndiigbo to scrub the ground?
Your Bini people?
You meant to say you used Ikas to wipe the floor?
That I could agree with you and leave you to Ikas to sort yourselves out.
It's a master-slave bond afterall. An Igbo like myself should not be putting asunder.

do you have reading disability or you are just slow

Ariani:
Osadebey was a popular figure in the Midwest.
I'm not surprised the meaning of his name is a public knowledge in the entire midwest.

But the name is not in any way related to Bini. Lol!
This whole argument is senseless.

How can De be , have a meaning of "to keep" in Edo? Nah charm?
Which Edo man bears Osadebey?

Osa God
Denọ avert (short form de)
ebe evil. What's hard here that someone can't see from 100 miles away?

Ariani:
Where did you see founded by Binis in that write up?
Is your Brain touching ?

It was patterned after Bini Monarchy that is granted, people borrow. Onitsha people if you could hear Igbo and listened to Igwe Achebe interview were Igbos who migrated and lived in ancient Ife.
But over time decided to return home, so on their way back, they stopped first at Bini and then back to Igboland.
In Bini they picked up Bini Monarchical system of Government and added it a touch of Igbo class to produce a hybrid system that is not exactly Bini. Bini also borrowed from them when they were Bini.
That's how Bini borrowed Igbo four market days including the Ikenga cult that you call Ikegobo or something.

Una no just get sense. This is why everybody continue to use your people to rub ground. Even with your large numbers minority still use you to rub ground because you guys are always delusional and insulting in presence of facts.
Do you even know how to read?
Everything to you people is insult and emotional drivel

Ariani:
So you mean to tell me that "de be" which means "keep", in Igbo language also mean the same in Benin language?

So if I say: "De be lum ego m" in Igbo language, a Bini man would understand that too?

Bloody liar

what the fucck are you even talking about? If you have any body from Edo pronounce the name and tell him to tell you the meaning.
And see if he will even crack his head before telling you the meaning. The person you are hyping was born and bred in an Edo colony and later same state as Edo. It is normal for people in those region to be influenced linguistically by the Edoid language

Ariani:
See your Link.

"Small Igbo kingdom of Onitsha".

small igbo kingdom founded by Benins and patterned after the Benin monarchy. Do you even know the meaning of colony?

Ariani:
No Edo man can interprete Osadebey. Don't be silly.

Western Igboland was in Midwest, and one of them, Chief Dennis Osadebey, who was one of the staunch Igbo Union Leaders and stalwart of NCNC party, became the first premier of the region.
The Midwest Government house, which serve as Edo state government house in Bini today, was named after this illustrious Igbo son from Asaba.

no Edo man can interpret the name osadebey literally after I told you the meaning. Lol you are a clown. Why exactly will Edo people give government house an Igbo name?

Ariani:
Oba will be eaten alive before he crosses Ikaland.
He wouldn't have survived ENUANI Igbos let alone crossing the great river.

Igboland was an impenetrable fortress.
The mere sight of the thick rainforest and the fierce looking well fed and robust Igbo man parading it was a big scare to would be Invaders.

you are very ignorant and are starting to sound childish. History is not illusion or fantasy


https://www.britannica.com/place/Onitsha-Nigeria

Ariani:
Lol!

Nope it's not.

Osa de bey = Olisa de be= God should preserve.

In Igboland, we call God Olisa/Olise/Orisa/Orise, depending on your dialect and part of Igboland.

The Osa in Osadebey is an abridged form of Olisa. Just like you have Chuma instead of Chukwuma.

Other Olisa names in Igboland.

Olisakwe=. Osakwe=. if God agrees

Olisaedu=. Osedu (the "a" in Olisa is silent here, we call it "olilo udaume in Igbo language) = God leads.

Okwuolisa= Okwuosa= Gods word

Beluolisa= Boosa = If not for God.

Olisaeloka= Oseloka= God thought very well of me.

Etc.

In these names, Olisa can be replaced with Chukwu to get same meaning.

Like Yorubas that have Olorun, Oluwa, etc .
Igbos have many names for God.

Chukwu, Olisa, Chineke, Obasi, Chiokike, etc.

osadebey is not a contraptions of any sort, it's a complete name. Osadebey means God averts evil. He was born in the Midwest which consists mainly of Edos and Urhobos there's no need for long story. Pronounce that name to any human being from Edo he will tell you the meaning right there

Ariani:
Dem no born any Oba Bini to cross River Niger into Onitsha. Does he want to die?
Nope.
Onitsha was no colony of Bini.

lol ignorance and emotional drivel

BKayy:
What are you implying?

you're saying an Edo man coined a name for Igbos

Ariani:
You are not okay.

No man born of human ever penetrated Igboland and went Scot free.

Igbos had no useless kings that once captured everyone else bows down to the one who captured the king.
It made it hard to defeat Igbos. We had council of elders and leaders of age grades, as well as titled men council who all gather and take decisions.
We were way more advanced than primitive Monarchical societies where one retarded fat king dictated for all man.

Bini kingdom fell to British in matter of days, while the British needed decades to defeat the Enuani Igbo clan.
Aro-Anglo war was on for years. Full blown war.
No ethnicity in Nigeria, pre colonial or post colonial had more capabilities of withstanding and resisting tyranny, invasion or colonialism than Igbo land.

Stop bringing your beer parlour gist outside

was parts present day Anambra, the Onitsha region not a colony of Benin?

By the way, British didn't defeat Benin, other Africans did. The people who destroyed Benin were from South Africa down to the Niger Deltas. Britain vs Old Benin one on one Britain would lose 99/100
When they came with their soldiers led by the clown Phillip they were butchered.
The brits did what they know how to do best, bribery, fake promises and lies. They promised other Africans bronze which was why the whole city was looted.

BKayy:
It happened in 1951 na. Its not that far. Dennis Osadebay coined the term Anioma in 1951 on his own without anybodys consent. So such couldn't be a basis for Ika to drag the good people of Enuani into their personal slavery.
Asaba, Ogwashi-Ukwu Nri, Akwukwu-Igbo and the rest have always been known as Enuani from time Immemorial. So Ika should enjoy and maintain their slavery in peace

osadebey sounds 100% like an Edo name though meaning something like God averts evil

Boudiccao:
As usual the Ikas or whatever they call themselves are hiding their heads in the sands like Ostrich.
Igbos are now saddled with the responsibility of clearing and managing this mess.

Go to twitter and see plenty Core igbos debunking Reno and his bigoted opinion yet the so called Delta Igbos like Ika which Reno was obviously referring to are nowhere to be found.

I'm inclined to call them slaves but I wouldn't.
Igbos will always be the intelligent and protective Big brothers.

I've not really seen any Igbo debunk anything. All I've seen is just a bunch of emotional drivel and mismatch fragments of history

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jackcanfield:
Benin is the City of the Stars...

no longer. We are dwelling on past glory.

Fahdiga:
Obi is thrusting himself into the limelight the more but can he handle the side effects of it when the time comes

why? It's his business naa I guess

Nisiw365:
Igodomigodo nonsense theory is from Edo blog which you lunatics from edo state always read and quote. The founder of edo migrated from ile ife. All Edo are Yoruba

you are a kid. I wouldn't insult an entire tribe because of a retarrded kid. One day you'd grow up and have little sense

EMMY76:
Stories the bows and arrows and juju of the bini warriors were no match to the well armed british soildiers u guys stood no chance then.

Benins were already well armed with sophisticated European weapons at least 300 years prior. Benins had access to Portuguese weapons as far back as under the reign of Oba Ewuare.

FakeUnity:
So how did Igbos manage to 'enculturate' them without having empires despite them being og bini origin? What happened to their bini language? How did it disappear without a trace?

As for presidency, neither is it going to your yorubaland. We all know Sunday Igboho was created by yoruba politicians to blackmail the country into handing ovet the presidency to yorubas in 2023. He is in a cage now and it won't work. Let's all run mad at the same time.

Igbos are everywhere naa most especially for trades. Agbọs aren't really Igbos, they're a cross of Edos and Igbos. Onitsha being surrounded by Igbo villages just like Lagos means Igbos will naturally sieve into the town and eventually overrun it in the long run since its a big sight for trading due to the position of the river.
I'm not a Yoruba. I'd normally have no problem voting Igbo person as president but considering how insulting you guys have been since 2015 I don't believe any Southerner will vote for your people. Even the Southern governor meeting that was held few weeks ago your governor didn't attend, your people are all over social media cursing people, how exactly do you expect get elected like that?

FakeUnity:
Then how come the Bini kingdom as powerful as it was couldn't entrench itself into Igboland like the fulanis have entrenched itself into yorubaland by putting a fulani emirate o yorubaland after selling many yorubas in the trans-saharan slave trade.

In every society that was properly conquered, the victors usually put their puppet in place, just like fulani did in yorubaland, why don't we have same in Igboland? Who is the Oba's rep in Igboland? How come no bini cultural vestiges in Igboland, rather binis even borrow Igbo words like 'Oka' etc in their language..

Reno, you dey blow lies, There are NO FACTS to back up your gobbledegook..


As for the presidency you claimed will go SW, I'll rather it remains in the North if it will not come to the SE. We are not fools that whom you think you can play pranks with. If the SW claim they made a mistake in 2015, no problem, but allow us to make the same mistake of keeping power in the north if the SE is denied the tickets..
Nobody has a monopoly of madness and craftiness.

parts of Anambra especially Onitsha were colonies of the old Benin as well as Agbọ.
Presidency can't go to the East. Your people have been busy insulting and disparaging every tribes in Nigeria since 2015 you can't really expect us to elect you after the insults can you?

IGBOSON1:
It's quite telling that you equate all Igbos with IPOB....just like your god, Buhari!

the truth is that IPOB have soiled the Igbo name so much that you wonder if it can be redeemed. When I was in university I had a lot of Igbo course mates they're all normal well behaved people. They're not abusive, arrogant uncouth or anything but then you open Nairaland, twitter Facebook jeeez conspiracy theories here and there, insults, curses name calling etc. The worst part of it is that they insult other tribes from morning till night but when we respond they start shouting igbophobia which then make people insult or feel contempt towards Igbos. Imagine me cursing you and when you respond I start shouting you hate Ẹdo people

Nisiw365:
Oba forefathers migrated from ile ice. All Edo's are yorubas

lol. You are too ignorant sef I feel defrauded for trying to lecture you. Igodomigodo has already lasted over 600 years before oromiynan impregnated the daughter of Ogiegor.

Nisiw365:
Edo people are Yoruba. Go and find out. Edi was founded by oranmiyan

the Oba was half Yoruba and half igodomigodo. The whole place known as Edo was already in existence as far back as 900AD.

Nisiw365:
Eko is the short form of ereko. You can't claim you control Lagos and yet Yoruba is the only language spoken , only Yoruba kings are in Lagos and only yoruba sub tribes.
Now I'm asking you again, why is non of your lineage a king in Lagos

what the fucck is ereko and what significance does it hold, why was it called ereko?
Lagos was bought by the European. How are we supposed to have tribes and King there when it's surrounded on all sides by Yorubas? No matter what, Yorubas from neighbouring vicinity will naturally sieve into the region and overrun it since it's the most important trading hub at that time. With the influx of people came the culture

Nisiw365:
Stop sounding like a lunatic. If your claim is true. Why is it that no Edo/benin man is a king in Lagos. Why no Benin speakers in lagos. Why why why. Answer me and stop sounding like a disturbed baby

the current ọba in Benin has Yoruba and ogiso blood, does that mean Ẹdo people are Yorubas? You are talking about Lagos that was bought by the Portuguese and had a king installed not some ancient Kingdom.
Does Nigeria have a Brit as president?