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kokomaster3d:
If God is love, no matter how we sin, he/she (he/she because nobody has seen God) should be able to forgive us and all of us will go to heaven. I am father and no matter how my child offends me deliberate or otherwise I still love my child and I can never kill my child for anything - why should God who is the father of love, condemn us and kill us because we disobey him. Please don't defend God here by saying I should not challenge God.

Religion is fraud. We are mortal just like any other animal on earth. Even the Bible said a dead man is not conscious of anything. My people, when you die, you are just like that death cow or lizard.

God is a judge remember that. you will rather wait for forgiveness than to be obedient. inquirie careful about the dead because what you write here lacks wisdom

YourImaginaryBF:
keep contradicting yourself,

.what there is contradictory. you know Jesus is supreme

chemystery:
Your bible quotation is no way related to what we have been discussing

You rather should take your time and read evolution. I know all it entails just that I prefer to keep it to myself than not relay them perfectly. You need to point out to me what is foolish about the theory!

Read your bible very well, it stated that god supported the earth on pillars. It also stated somewhere about god place four angels in 4 corners of the earth. Also when Satan showed Jesus all the kingdom of the world. All these will be impossible for a spherical earth but depicts an earth with flat surface!

Saying eating dust is figurative means you are saying the bible does not mean what it said rather it said what you mean. You Christians are always good at cherry picking passages that are figurative and that which isn't. But when god said snake will crawl on its belly, that wasn't figurative. Keep lying to yourself

first evolution says over time animals evolve to a higher organism. that apes evolve to human is this not foolishness. four corners of the earth do not mean the earth is flat. scientists divide the earth into four north South east and west do they mean also the earth is flat? Satan example you misunderstood. they are in the spirit realm when you are taking up in the spirit realm you actually see the whole universe

Deicide:
Evolution movies? thats were you get ur fact from? abeg which movie be that? Starwars?

I mean documentary.

YourImaginaryBF:
But he's not God, why then do you pray in his name?

try to know the meaning of heir. everything on earth and in heaven has been handed over to him

ibnzubair:
Quick question, Is it some sort of a competition between God and the devil on who wins more soul?

yea the devil challenged God

hopefulLandlord:
really? make me understand

you are comparing religion from your point of view.

Demigods666:


Keep deceiving yourselves.

We have been to the Astral world through Astral projection even before we became spiritual satanist.

Soooooo. Your illustration or whatever up their is invalid.

Take it from me.

Once you Astral project and visit other realms, go places. Then you have experienced how death is, the only difference here is you come back to your body, it's not permanent. What you see when you Astral project is the same you get when you die.

So if you all keep following those damn Jews who have re written the black history and changed everything in order to keep the truth away, then you guys are OYO.

you are not shown the whole picture when you astra project

YourImaginaryBF:
we don't serve the same God because we do not worship God's creation (Jesus)

Jesus is the heir of all God creation.

hopefulLandlord:
but Muslims are heading to hell if Christianity is true

Christians would head to hell if Islam is true

Both sets would head to hell if Judaism is true


refiner, don't worry about hell, any choice you make can lead there if its real

you are confusing refiner because you do not understand this things.

refiner:
If they(islams) believe in heaven and hell too..then no doubt..we serve same God...

don't fall for that trick of the devil. understand before you write. what you write here lack wisdom

Deicide:
Lol Evolution only try to explain diversification of life it doesn't say how life started i don't know where you learnt your own Theory of evolution from and don't get me wrong i know you theist like arguing ignorantly

then you have not watched evolution movies suggesting how they think the universe begins.
don't you think is atheist that argue ignorantly and silence every thing that point to creation and spirituality.

chemystery:
where exactly did the Bible say and what verse?
People are used to solution outside god god god is not a solution!

Evolution deals primarily with changes in successive generations over time. You can make research if you wish to know more. I don't like going into evolution argument cos I only have a basic knowledge about it. But I know it is very broad

If god could not know his creation, snake don't eat dust, and that the earth is not flat, then god or bible should not be placed before science.

many verses but take matt 24:1-end as one of them. take your time to read evolution theory it is foolishness on display. the Bible nowhere stated the earth is flat. eating dust is a figurative expression as the bible is known to express things. Jesus said you shall be born again, you see what I mean take born again as example

kazyhm:
i love this your angle........can we go back to OGUN, SANGO.......shrine would have been better........some of our forefathers are happily in heaven right now bro

sango etc are not God the creator

NPComplete:
Nope. U said "take mutation and how life stated by the evolution theory for a start". That means u believe that scientists believe life started by evolution. And that is very wrong. That's why I said bye.

pardon my English. evolution say life stated with a dot, and animals gradually over time evolve to a more complex organism. I said this is foolishness

adepeter2027:
Who teach you this nonsense?

hahaha evolution teach that animals evolved

NPComplete:
I am not having this discussion with you. The part i highlighted shows me u know nothing about evolution and u are probably just gonna rehash what your pastor or imam told u. Go and read up on evolution and then we can talk. Bye.

.evolution says animals evolve to another species. pastor don't preach that on Sundays

NPComplete:
Yeah. The day u bring proof of the real God, I will agree with u. Till then. Believe in your kind of God. While I believe in mine.

the Bible prophecies are coming to pass

NPComplete:
Yeah. The day u bring proof of the real God, I will agree with u. Till then. Believe in your kind of God. While I believe in mine.

OK

chemystery:
There are lots of misconception towards evolution. As for your question, I don't know and will not make assumptions as theist make on god. But if you said this happened billions of years ago, then why can we have patient for a billion years before we start raising eyebrows?

People leaving religion is not in line with any bible prophesy! People are now exposed. Science are doing wonders in diminishing god. People now to clinic when they are sick than remain at home to soliloquise in the name of praying to an imaginary friend.

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the Bible did prophesy this things. people are now used to solutions outside God and he is imaginary to people who don't believe. that apart what part of the evolution theory about life is even remotely true?

hopefulLandlord:
have you been there before? if no, how then do you know?

even if one told you he has gone there you will still not believe you probably say it is a lie or he is a mental unstable person. this is unbelief

NPComplete:
God to me is whatever force that holds existence together. He doesn't have to be a white man with long beards sitting on a throne wanting to destroy imaginary enemies.

your God is ideal, the real God hates disobedient souls because they ruin its plan and will judge every one according to his works.

NPComplete:
Yeah and from the early men too, man always knew the earth was flat. Man always knew the solar system was geocentric. Until science became one sided.

You have no point. Science has always improved our knowledge. And if some early believe the earth was flat, that shouldn't make us believe it too. You have brains, use it. Question whatever the early men believed. Because the early men were most idiots.

early men think like idiots and science think like idiots also because be it early man or scientific man man is man. man knowledge about physical things grows but became foolish about spiritual stuffs. if you look critically about the evolution theory you will notice that science sound very very foolish. take mutation and how life stated by the evolution theory for a start

chemystery:
people talk about god less! A new study reveals the fastest growing religion is "no religion". Science has limit yet they have broken many limits! Why has god not able to cure HIV? Oh he is waiting for science as usual
You need to study evolution more (if ever you had). They is truth in large amount in it!
Science have able to reveal we share larger %age of our DNA with apes than a dog shares with fox!

the statistic is in line with the bible prophecies that people will turn away from the light but will not be every one. God cures all form of sickness but men do not believe in him. if apes is our ancestors with almost the same DNA how come they are so many difference. if apes did change into man billion of years ago what has prevented us from witnessing even one mutation live now?

hopefulLandlord:
Christian heaven does not make any sense too

The Bible doesn't say much about what heaven is supposed to be like. Most of the claims about heaven are exaggerations of the Bible. The Bible says the Gates are made of pearl. What are the gates for? Are they made just as an excuse to irritate clams? Are the gates supposed to keep someone out or to keep souls from escaping?

The sales pitch for heaven is that there is only happiness and no sorrow. But it also says that many people's loved ones won't be there. Since they can't feel sorrow about that, are they ecstatic that their loved ones are being tortured forever? Either your memories are removed or your human empathy is removed. Is it really you that is left over once some parts of you have been removed?

If life matters to me now, it will always have mattered to me, even when I am gone. Death cannot change that.

Your best hope is to be locked in a gold cage with your memories of having an actual life being erased just so you can kiss ass for eternity.

Life is pleasant, death is serene. The transition might be troublesome but we all have to go through it. You shouldn't fear death so much. Heaven and hell are imaginary. You should reject the indoctrination. Life is much better that way.

To quote a friend: "Heaven's supposed to be this really great place, right? So how come a third of the angels got pissed off??"

when a love one die do you die with them or continue living? the gate is figurative. if you read the bible very well you will see that is meaning is hiding from people that tend to reason it logical without the spiritual part of man. take for instance born again as used by Jesus most times

NPComplete:
Primitive men did. And I assume it didn't start as gods. Probably as ancestors then some other thing

Anyway, I am a deist so I believe in the existence of God. But what is God? Is He a separate entity aside the universe or multi verse? Or is the universe itself God? Are we all a part of God? A way for God to express Himself.

OK good. what is your definition of God according to your belief

chemystery:
absence of science was what made god relevant. Before, humans needed god to cure malaria, but now science have the solution, hence no need for god. The concept of god is gradually diminishing, and with time, it will die out!

good point still science has limit and people still talk about God even more.
science has limit and they don't acknowledge this about creation. that is why they hurriedly pass the evolution theory as law even though their is no truth about it. science only make sense when it comes to simple question but sound very foolish when it comes to deep questions. imaging saying animals mutate

NPComplete:
Exactly the aim. At a point, we just have to stop and say we don't know. But Christians act as if they have the answer to all life's questions. And that is impossible. Some things are impossible for us to know.

many things is impossible for us, but man know he was created. how come man ever had the idea of God in the first place? have you ever thought of that?

NPComplete:
The first problem is assuming God has always existed. There's no proof for God always existing other than some verses in the bible. And we all know the bible has never been an impeccable source of information.
So that assumption is an argument from dogma.

Secondly if we are to believe that God has always existed, why is it hard to believe the universe has always existed in whatever form before it became the form we know of it now. Maybe this form we know of it is just our mental projection. And since our brains can't see beyond 3 spatial dimensions, it is plausible that our understanding of space time is skewed and limited. The universe may also be eternal for all we know.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with God Himself having a creator. I can live with it. And I imagine it is possible we also become creators ourselves after we leave this life. It might just be that that's the essence of life. Life birthing more life. Creators creating and getting created. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

man only chooses to be ignorant when he likes. from the early men till know man always know he was created until science one sided way about creation. from our forefathers man always know about another beings the spirit beings which science have formed ignorant of because they cannot scientifically prove it really on the logical way of thinking even they know has great limit

einsteino:
more like proof of man's gullibility. you are telling it us, it is true simply because it is in a book we cant authenticate, a book that demands one just baseless believe. puhlsss last i checked there are several religious books and each one claims it is the only true one.

the real problem is we just assume and come into conclusion. science your confidence must have thought you the importance of research and proof before theory. try to investigate the origin of religion and why so many religions before your conclusion

ivolt:
You can only challenge ignorant people.
If there is something that have no beginning, there is no way you can know
that except through "faith" which is useless in objective discourse.
If an undefined god can be eternal, so can the universe.

is it not clear that man itself chooses when to be ignorant. time after time different people from different race have spoken about the spirits which scientific man say it is untrue therefore breaking their own code.

chemystery:
If you agree that nothing does not produce something, why assert that something called god came into existence out of nothing and from nowhere? It's either you are confusing yourself or you don't want to be sincere with yourself. You with choose one between "nothing results to something" or "nothing cannot result to something" and apply it throughout you argument than cherry picking on what your choice applies to and what it doesn't. That is insincerity! What is wrong in saying "I don't know" by the way?


Now you want to create a new argument on space. Who defines space and what it is? Is it not humans? Why then do you want to argue space isn't human construct? Maybe it is a supernatural construct I guess. You can tell me more


You don't know and you don't know! So don't blame it on grammar.
Now you want to blame it on your human instinct. When you started explaining what you don't know like your were an extraterrestrial being you didn't know
The time when time never existed(if such time ever existed) is on its own a time there is no 'magomago' about it



Even god too began to exist. How did I know? Same way you knew the universe began to exist

I agree! Same way something called god cannot emerge from nothing!
Something that existed out of nothing abi?
Likely? You are not even sure of this something. Then on the other hand, that something might most likely be dependent as well.
But you want to use same thought to define something you claim existed outside the confines of the universe.
But this is not the case for you, for you can define things that existed outside the confines of time and space. You must be a genius!

Saying he exists outside the logic of his creation makes me wonder if you are not his creation. Cos it was withing your logic to know this.

Again But something called god came out of nothing na?
It is better we don't make that assertion but simply admit we don't know! You are only trying hard to find quick and cheap answers to what you don't know. Relax!

if this is true, then you have been spending your time to explain what you don't know. Why not use the three words I DONT KNOW?

don't be shy to say I DONT KNOW!

I don't know apply to only logic. from ancient man to modern man men have severally given account of God and the spiritual beings this are known fact. it was only the invent of science that brought the ignorant and I don't know part of man. science want to bend everything based on man laws whereas there are other laws that are not man's. so where science stumble on this they understand not they either say it is a lie (atheist) or I don't know ( unbelievers )