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chemystery:
We ain't close to saying the same thing.
In reality, the bible teaches that the earth is flat because it was written by ancient primitive men who thought it was flat. It was after people know this fact that they started trying to translate the bible to coincide with the current fact. You know humans never agree the bible mean what it says rather they always think the bible says what they mean. And what do you think many versions of the English bible is there for? It is just an attempt to hide or modify the truths that will discredit the bible.

One major difference between man and animal is the different way we think. If animals gain the required consciousness to start thinking as humans, and start asking questions like "where did we come from?", "where do we go when we die?", etc, they will invent their own heaven, hell, and gods in their own image just like we humans invented heaven, hell and gods in our own image.

firstly the bible in no verse say the earth is flat. Again how do you know the bible is retranslated to suit modern belief? First we have the first translation well kept safe then the dead sea scroll and other bible manuscripts. Again i am surprise that u are one of those that believe in evolution, according to what u said " if animals gain the right consciousness to think as human" this is a worse thinking than a fairy tale movie. How? Have man not been with animals for ages?.
Again let me draw your attention to life in itself, their is no secret part of the universe were life is formed from nothing. Then again how is life formed? According to science animals evolves just like your expectations. But from the simplest form of reasoning and from what science says is a gradual process, we would have seen different stages at least more than five stages of evolutionof animals thinking as man. Evolution is one of the most absurd thinking of man till date, it makes no sense as it is outright nonsense. As a concluding point where and how did the first living thing evolve from?

chemystery:
I have much to say but no time to type. But I will just leave you with this:

Some time ago, people of the world believed the earth was flat. But today, we know the earth is spherical. Now imagine a situation where the earth is invisible. People will still claim and argue till date that it is flat and they will pull out absurd theories, anecdotes and what have you just to buttress their point and you can't refute it except by pointing out the absurdities and inconsistencies in their claims.

i know your point, but you are now saying thesame thing with me. People assume some are correct some are wrong, this just shows the inconsistency of man's world. Take the bible for example, one bible thousands of interpretations. Some people even translated that the bible said the earth is flat, whereas in Isaiah it states the earth is round. We cant just conclude based on one person logical way of reason. Man different way of analysing things is a mysery. Have you ask yourself why man is so different from any living thing

Ericsunday619:
I taught Yehwah was merciful

a judge is both a father, brother, husband, uncle, neighbour e.t.c. But still sentence people to death and jail time. There is a law and the punishment of breaking the law is spelt out. This laws are giving for the smooth running of any orderly system. Have you ever imagine a system with law but no punishment for breaking it?

bolinjkezzy:
You don't want him to explain others experience but want people to believe there is a father in heaven based on others conclusion

you have answered your own argument. No one force him to accept other conclusion neither is he qualified to conclude for others.

chemystery:
Because I can't fly does not mean I should believe you when you tell me there are humans born with the ability to fly.

i am not saying everything is believable, but we are hypocritical when it comes to the things of God. Even in villages thousand have narrated there encounter with the spirit beings. All over the world people worship one god or the other, this gods are also spirit beings. Are you just going to sit and conclude all are delusional? It is our state of mind that form belief and disbelief. When u think one is guilty no manner of evidence can change this.
My conclusion all men words and judgment should be taken as a pinch of salt

Ericsunday619:
statistics you say? Like Yahweh killing little babes of the Egyptians and destroying the Israelites countless times in the Bible.

through out the bible any body that oppose God plan will be destroyed. Man is an hypocritical being, if the son of a judge breaks the law will the judge let him go free? Why do you think there are laws in the land that even some of them lead to life imprisonment and outright execution?

Ericsunday619:
I know you are one of Jehovah followers, don't forget Yehwah is among one of the 4200 god's in the world

yes i know and in fact it is true there are many Gods in the land, just as they are different nations on earth. But know this most of the worshipers dont even know where there god belong because each claim his god is the best. More like a patriotic man that say his country is the best. Only by statistic will you able to differentiate

nairalanduseles:
based on real life facts not the fiction most of u be living in

funny how some guys like you conclude for others, hear your self "fiction most of u be living in" you discredit other life story based on your state of mind. The same problem guys like you spot on religious people. Intact man is a hypocritical being

Xisnin:
We take eye witness serious because the eye is a verifiable means of experiencing life.
No sane judge will take a mind witness serious. Imagine telling judge that I heard a voice
tell me that he did it.
Such witness will be regarded as a joke.

you still dont get it. We believe a eye witness story even though we are not there, what is the difference if i tell you i saw God will you discredit me because of your belief?

NPComplete:
Why don't u tell me his mind? Since u know the answer.

you are the one that concludes for others not me

nairalanduseles:
people can decieve themselves nobody has heard nada

based on what fact are you saying this?

chemystery:
And this

how can you tell when one is lying? You thought with your mind you can assume what others are thinking. Man not because you cant do a thing dont mean nobody in the word can

NPComplete:
Nonsense. You hear a small still voice because u have been told God speaks in a small still voice. I am sure that if u were indoctrinated into thinking that it was a baritone voice with girly harmonics, u will be hearing a baritone voice with girly harmonics.

All these people calling their intuition the voice of God yet their lives have nothing special to show for it. If what their intuition advises works, then the will climb the next alter and give testimony about how it was God they heard. If it fails, they don't even record it in their minds so as not to shatter their own delusions that an omnipotent deity cares enough to converse with them.

Can anyone tell me why God is always speaking in a small still voice to these clowns? Why not a high pitched commanding voice that sounds like it is in the same room with u? Could it be because it is just their imagination? Most of the voices in one's head is almost always small and still. I mean I can't count how many times a small still voice have told me, "look at that fine ass walking in front of u".

And what is the point of speaking to them in these voice yet their lives in no better than that of Muslims, Buddhists and atheists on the average?

Why not just speak in this same voice to people in ISIS so they hear him clearly enough to stop causing havoc on earth?

God speaks to everybody using every means possible. It is not always a still small voice and neither does He speak to Christians alone. Get off your shitty horse.

you are not different from them all your write up is just assumptions based on your level of reasoning. You said why did God not speak to ISIS the question is are you God? Do you know his mind do you even know any ones mind apart from your own?

Neurotika:
Lmao. It's your mind doing the trick. Once you are expecting something, your whole brain becomes addicted to thinking of it. Since your brain cells doesn't sleep, it replays your thoughts in a non organized manner at sleep or in your subconscious. Then you wake up and boom! God has spoken. You start a church. Since great motivation is needed to excel at anything, you start excelling at the church. It's a further prove to you that 'God' sent you. The numbers attract more crowds and you are made. Prophecy becomes easy when there is a large crowd now. 'somebody here will receive an important call before next week that will catapult his destiny'. Law of large numbers help you. Someone gets a call. He runs to the church to pay you handsomely for that 'miraculous prophecy'. The word spreads that a great man of God is somewhere. You become a General Overseer of many branches with just a normal dream you had. Is God not wonderful?

is this not the problem with man, trying to explain other experience. Even if it is false how do you tell it was his mind playing trick on him? And man take eye witness serious in court hypocrites.

Olumaeme:
I do not believe the science story, it's even more ridiculous..

The fact that I don't believe the biblical stories don't make me automatically believe that of science.
Because of let's even assume that the Ape turns to human, then how did the first ape come to life, if lizard turn to ape, how did the lizard come to life? So it can't be true.

I agree that there are somethings that are beyond human reasoning and knowledge, so therefore, human cannot tell me there's God because no human has seen God before, no human knew how the world come into existence.

If we even want to believe the biblical stories, there are many holes to pick

Let's take for example, we were made to understand that God created heaven and earth created a forbidden fruit that must not be eaten with consequences when he knew that Adam and eve will taste it eventually (because he knew you before you were formed).
Is that not outright wickedness, meaning that he created them to perish?

So Both biblical and scientific stories are unbelievable

you have strong points but you are using human reasoning for spiritual matter. As you go deep into the bible you discover how God do things.
of a truth there is another beings the spirit beings. This obey different laws from us. You must have heard different strange Stories from cultist, native doctors and gods goddess. This beings exist but we form ignorant about them.
Let me tell u a little story when the communal war was tense in warri, father took us to herbalist for charm. A razor was used to cut our Chest and a black substance was rubbed on it. Believe me when we where shot at bullets bounce of our body although it is very painful. The spiritual entity manipulates things different from us.
Am not guessing i know there is God, he is a mysterious being

Olumaeme:
Where does God come from then?
What is the force behind God's creation and existence?
If we can't understand God and how he came to create three world , then we can't understand how the world came to existence.

We met this world here and no one knows how it came about but we are just assuming that it was created by someone without proof

without proof? Is it not clear that the limit of man understanding has been exceeded when the term in the beginning is used, if a child is born and no body came forward to say am your mother that remain a mysery through out that person life for the person cannot tell how and where he came from.
Lets put it this way an ape can never produce a computer its brain is not programmed for that.

Science is a religion of fiction and denial, they are the worst religion on earth. They base beliefs on assumptions without proof like the evolution theory and denial first hand information on anything that is out of the ordinary. An from the Niger delta bullets bounce of my chest because of charms giving to me, but an atheist a science blinded individual will twist interprete and even deny my claims.

To make it easy which of the claims of science about life is remotely true?

Olumaeme:
Which common sense are you talking about? There are more than 50 stories about creation, yoruba claiming Oduduwa, Christians claiming God, various tribes and religion with their stories..

Let's even assume someone created the world, who created the person? If he was created by someone who created that someone, and so on..

If God can come out of nowhere without someone creating God as you want me to believe, then this world could come from nowhere too without nobody creating it too.
Think am!

this is not common sense. Common sense of man knows everything has a beginning, and animals and plant give rise to each other but that limit is broken when u think of the starting.
It is u that assume God came from nowhere, ur intellectual faculty is exceeded when it matters to the term in the beginning. From common sense there must be a beginning if the universe came from nowhere how did it form life. Remember life have a force when it lives and object it become lifeless. The thing atheists like u fail to understand is there are forces behond human comprehension. Just like an ape cannot understand a computer so also man cannot understand the term in the beginning. This belongs to God.

Olumaeme:
I don't know, but they will probably be born too..

Telling me they come from clay? Can't be true bro

we are not even talking of belief, we are talking of common sense. Weither u believe that paper is from wood or not definitely paper came from somewhere.
Whether clay or not man came from somewhere where is that? And have u ever ponder the term in the beginning as it applies to the universe?

Davidoya:
It makes no sense trying to convince him.. seeing that he is atheist by his recent threads on this forum. Christianity is for the called , even at that not all that's called r chosen.. if you don't have a God experience you don't have it and no man can give that experience to you..

true, but am not trying to convince him rather am trying to contain his vernom he is spreading, least the simple reading his messages are deceived and believe, Jesus told us to always speak not to convince the devil but to loosen those that gave their souls to him ignorantly

hopefulLandlord:
There are lots of misconceptions here

1. I don't laugh at people who believe in imaginary friends, I show the illogicality of believing in imaginary friends; I laugh at the idea NOT the person holding the idea, you may check my post history and see for yourself

2. Science thought us of evolution

i think u failed to see the illogicallity of the evolution.
There are hundred and one things wrong with evolution theory but you fail to see it because you don't want to believe in God.
How did non living element give rise to living element as claimed by evolution and most importantly what is the beginning as postulated by evolution. Because there must be a beginning by standard human reasoning.

tippyboy:
It's so sad that people have stopped going to church because of their pastors. No wonder the Bible says: Judgment Will Start in the House of God. Not in the shrine, not in the house of the murders, not in the house of ritualists but in the house of God.

But I still don't understand why some people will stop going to church because of their pastors, are you going to church to worship God or Pastors.

the bible already warn people to beware of this pastors and not to listen to them that he send them not. So why still go to such church?

Olumaeme:
Yes, I was born by my parents and they by their parents and so on!

true, but common reasoning shows it goes down to the first. Where did your first parents come from

Olumaeme:
I stopped going to church when I discovered that
1. Pastors are crooks and just using churches as a means of livelihood

2. God doesn't exist, but just an imagination of humans that someone would have created the world, so bandit several stories all around the place

3. Prayers don't get answered, 80% of people who take their prayers to church don't get answered

4. When I taught that, Christians and Muslims can't be serving the same God, so, it's either one religion is fake and the other is original or both are fake (which is likely)

and still you could not ponder where life force came from and what is meant by the term "in the beginning"

hopefulLandlord:
Religious belief is an invisible security blanket for insecure individuals.
Closeted minds will continue to allow brainwashing and indoctrination by religious leaders that there is a 'god', and there was a 'jesus', in order that the people with closed minds allow themselves to be controlled so that the various Corporations (churches) remain profitable as the tax-free money continues to roll in.

i have notice how jump from thread to thread laughing at people who believe in god. Several times i try to make you reason objectively but i discover you are more brainwashed by science than those with religion. What did science teach u is the origin of life force?

hopefulLandlord:
some imaginary entity created by the Jews

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Who then created the Jews?

hopefulLandlord:
Word of Yahweh should be treated with same seriousness as words of superman, batman, spiderman etc as those characters are as real as Yahweh

who is yahweh?

Seun:
The fact that you performed an action before an outcome happened doesn’t mean the action caused the outcome. Every morning I wake up, and the sun rises within the hour. That does not mean that my waking up causes the sun to rise. Hope you get that?

Let’s say that there was a time when you were not paying tithes and you were poorer. And currently you are paying tithes and richer. You have to consider all the factors before concluding that the tithes are responsible.

(But first, you need to ascertain that you are actually making more money now. If your salary was 100k after tax, and now it is 111k before tithe, the amount you get to spend is exactly the same as before, so you have not actually been blessed. On top of that, you also have to consider inflation, which is quite high in Nigeria. Your salary could have doubled over the years without any increase in your purchasing power.)

Let’s suppose that after all those calculations, you have determined that there has been an increase in your purchasing power. You have to first consider natural things that could have led to that outcome such as getting a (better) job or being promoted, marrying a rich person, starting a successful business, etc.

I can guarantee that you would find a couple of those things. Having found them, it makes no sense to credit tithing. Crediting tithing for your blessings after getting a more lucrative job is like crediting praise worship for your good smell after using a cologne which can be clearly demonstrated to be responsible for the smell.

even when the facts are clear that tithe don't bring blessing people still argue over it. Some people tithe and end up poor some curse God and remain one of the richest in the world, there are even many verses in the bible that support this claim. But if you have consider it, it is a common thing in the world of man. Some argue that the president is good others say he is bad, but sir know this one cannot get the truth from any man cause the true heart of man is not on display at most times. Who know if the OP is a benefactor of tithes so also the rest supporters. The bible warn us in advanced. People quote verses to convince or deceive people, there are even verses where it is safe to kill people. This is the major reason Jesus came to show us the way cause men always confuse themselves for they don't understand the power of God

dionysus7:
there are approx 7billion people on this planet out of which significantly less than 2billion are christians. only christians trust and believe the words of the bible, making the bible a subjective book, because other faiths have their holy books too and if you go through them you'll see "prophecies" that they claim come to pass as well.
quoting the bible to justify a claim is like me quoting a comic book to tell you spiderman can shoot web from his wrist, ofcuz he can, its in the book but does it make it real? no, until we test and confirm it. you can't convince people by saying they should have faith.

surely they have been confirmed. But a generation that cannot defferentiate between physical and spirtual will always get things about life twisred

asuustrike2009:
Romans 2:11. “For there is no respect of persons with God.”
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men
shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the
day of judgment.

one of the verses use to scare the congregation unto submisiveness to fake pastors authorities

asuustrike2009:
You should do because you are writing from the flesh.

hahaha holy spirit understanding, no wonder the pastors are having a free ride

MrMystrO:
Well i do not consider myself wise, for a wise man is the man who acknowledges the fact that he doesn't Know anything. But then again, peoples choice to believe in fables of old is their choice and theirs alone. I was only surprised because of the number of people who still can't see beyond the veils of religion even after how much our world has advanced, hence my earlier comment. Since the time of the romans, people have always said the world was at the end times and will end soon, still it's been thousands of years after those times and it amazes me people still choose to believe in what was clearly made up stories invented by the elite to keep people in control and maintain order by using these scary tactics to play on the mind of the individual. But then again, who am i to stop anyone from believing in anything? If people still choose to believe the earth is flat and that our planet is the only one that exists in the whole universe, Then who I'm i to say otherwise? So be it.

you have strong points, but then again you are rellying on science for understanding. The bible do not contradict science rather poor interpretation brought up the confusion. Modern science have add problem to understanding life it as caused more problems so it can never be relyed on,
their is just one major problem, poor interpretation of things of God caused all this major confusion

laydoh:
pls dnt lemme assume u r an ignorant.dnt reply my question wit anoda question,i asked u wia in d Qur'an is marital rape mentioned or favoured?

take it easy we are not fighting just airing our views. I never mentioned quaran dont drag me into that.