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MuttleyLaff:
The meaning is, that, just as God sent Himself, so does He send you.

There is no argument whatsover and none anywhere for that matter, as regards to, whether or not Jesus is the same as God (i.e. one being) especially if you agree and accept that it is possible for God to simultaneously and concurrently being in heaven and on earth at any particular point in time

Jesus was very clear he do nothing by himself and he follow instructions from God. 1 John 4:14 should clear your doubt

MuttleyLaff:
The meaning is, that, just as God sent Himself, so does He send you.

There is no argument whatsover and none anywhere for that matter, as regards to, whether or not Jesus is the same as God (i.e. one being) especially if you agree and accept that it is possible for God to simultaneously and concurrently being in heaven and on earth at any particular point in time

God sent himself wow!

adetayo234:
I'm not under any obligation to answer your question.

Whatever meaning or translation you have to my initial response, it is your cup of tea, bro. I can't help or oblige you further. You want better response? Go consult your Bible.

bible that has been misquoted

Amberon11:
You're uttering Mumbo-Jumbos that make no sense whatsoever. Do you know that all things were created by Jesus Christ and for Jesus Christ?

Ask yourself why God said "Let us make man in our own image" in the book of Genesis. Why didn't God say, "Let me make man in my own image"? Who were the others ?

you are not following. the argument is if Jesus is same as God i.e one being

Amberon11:
Since you claim to know so much, tell us why God the father refers to Jesus Christ as God in Hebrews 1:8.

God grave Jesus that grace like he gave Moses over pharaoh. please note the argument is not if Jesus is a God but if Jesus is the same as God

Amberon11:
Pls stop deceiving yourself. Jesus is God and wouldnt bemd words fir a mere mortal. Throughout the bible , Jesus was always bold to speak the truth even in the face of death so why would he lie about being God? Are you calling Jesus a liar?

Read Hebrews 1:8 , here God the father refers to Jesus Christ as God. If you don't see Jesus as God then you're not a christian because you're doubting the very words of God.

read your bible slowly and carefully. Jesus said as the father sent me so I do you. please explain the meaning

MuttleyLaff:
If you had read DeSepiero's question carefully and properly, you would have noticed that he states he is aware that Jesus is directly called God in the OT but was asking where in the NT does Jesus Himself DIRECTLY called Himself God

What DeSepiero asked is a direct statement
and not the given dots for them to draw the lines to get the picture of the God, Whom He is

Do you and adetayo234, think that DeSepiero isn't aware of all those hints Jesus gave and the demonstration of the power of God that all indirectly shows and say He is God?

No where in the NT does Jesus clearly, strongly, fully and forcefully say He is God.

He gave hints that He is God. His works showed He is God, but He never DIRECTLY in the NT Himself say He is God.

Read the above as the response concerns you too.
After that, please tell, is John 14:8-9, a direct statement in the NT of Jesus saying that He is God?

Then answer this question too:
Is it impossible for God, to concurrently and simultaneously exist or be in more than one place?

please where in the old testament that Jesus was directly or indirectly meant as God?

why in Johnote author=MuttleyLaff post=59663777]If you had read DeSepiero's question carefully and properly, you would have noticed that he states he is aware that Jesus is directly called God in the OT but was asking where in the NT does Jesus Himself DIRECTLY called Himself God

What DeSepiero asked is a direct statement
and not the given dots for them to draw the lines to get the picture of the God, Whom He is

Do you and adetayo234, think that DeSepiero isn't aware of all those hints Jesus gave and the demonstration of the power of God that all indirectly shows and say He is God?

No where in the NT does Jesus clearly, strongly, fully and forcefully say He is God.

He gave hints that He is God. His works showed He is God, but He never DIRECTLY in the NT Himself say He is God.

Read the above as the response concerns you too.
After that, please tell, is John 14:8-9, a direct statement in the NT of Jesus saying that He is God?

Then answer this question too:
Is it impossible for God, to concurrently and simultaneously exist or be in more than one place?[/quote]why in John 20:17 Jesus referred to God as his God? and most times say the father sent me or say he is son of God?
please I need the verse Jesus is the same as God in the old testament

adetayo234:
And why would Jesus say "once you see me, you've seen the father?"

Let me try to explain something to you.

1. Jesus is God leaving his Glory in heaven to come to earth.

2. God is a Trinity; God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. The three are one and same. Wherever you see one, you will see the others.

Hope it is clear now?

unfortunately you get it totally wrong. you have this belief maybe from your denomination.
I have many questions to ask you but answer the basic first. why do Jesus always referring to himself as son of God and always saying the father sent me

adetayo234:
What's the difference between the Father and God? Waiting for your answer.

If your argument is true, then pastor adeboye, pastor kumuyi can as well tell his members not to look for God anymore, but focus on them instead because God is speaking through them. Let us be reasonable, please.

why do Jesus always refer himself as the son of God. and always say the father sent him?

adetayo234:
John 14: 8-9

Lol, by this you think he mean he is God. so he literally meant that they are looking at God face to face because they have seen him? what he meant is that God is speaking through him. more like the way the holy spirit speak through the prophets

MuttleyLaff:
You asked me to read in John 20:17.
I read it, only to find it had no relevance Godto any points on the table

Now after I first referred you to John 10:33, you shifted and abandoned your goal post and then again start asking me to read John 10:33-47. To what ends I don't know

DeSepiero asked where in the NT Jesus indirectly said He was God and John 10:33 is the closest

if you continue reading he said he is the son of God, but the Jews wanting him to sound blasphemous said he said he his God.
I ask you where did he say he his God? he severally said God his his father and in john 20:17 he referre to God has his God

MuttleyLaff:
What's to kid you or anyone else for that matter, in all have so far, on this thread posted?

They replied,
"We're stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy!
You, a mere man, claim to be God.
- John 10:33

Does John 10:33 above, not say, the Jews wanted to kill Jesus because He "indirectly" claimed to be God?

continue reading to 41

MuttleyLaff:
What part of the bible have I misunderstood?

What is to read in John 20:17?
Why instead, don't you read John 10:33?

are you kidding me? please read john 10:33-41.

hopefulLandlord:
read the OP about "Sinless", see where OP referred to "Evil"

OK true

MuttleyLaff:
There is no biblical NT record of Jesus directly referring to Himself as God, but there are abundant biblical NT records where Jesus indirectly referred to Himself as God.
At one occasion in the New Testament, some present Jews understood Him referring Himself to God and wanted to kill for that, by stoning Him.

you misunderstood the Bible. read John 20:17

Sniper12:
The most confused religion is xtianity

Christianity is not the problem but man. have you not noticed how men think differently as faces differ from each other? take yourself for example

hopefulLandlord:
OP, is "Evil" a sin?

what you view as evil might not be viewed that way by another person. why not tell us what you have in mind when you say evil

DeSepiero:
I'm wondering, 'is there any verse of the new testament which quotes Jesus directly referring to himself as God?'

that and many other that men have interpreted without understanding

rejosom:
Fine, so you can pray for your departed loved ones, Maybe God may wish to extend the journey with instructions because you prayed, right?

yes

rejosom:
Fair enough so my conclusions was right after all... If Jesus can pray for a man dead for 3 days (3 days after judgment) then people can pray for their loved ones who are dead. Any objections?

yes. we can't just pray for the dead due to many reasons. when a person dies he is transformed and faces judgement. if the person has already been judge then he can't just leave and come back because a person prayed.
and most importantly death is the end of the road to a man journey on earth extending that journey is God alone to say. so God instructs his true servants to pray if he wishes to extend the journey. without instructions no one can raise the dead

rejosom:
Verify? You don't believe the Bible again? How can I verify the Lazarus story... though I feel it is BS but I have to believe it by faith.

you said pastors claimed, that was what I was referring to.
the person that wrote that account of Jesus raising a dead body is a eye witness. in your court of law how do the judge view an eye witness

rejosom:
Maybe you can help me point out the assumptions made in the statement.

Could it be any of these?
(I) That Pastors claim to raise the dead.
(II) That Jesus raised a man who was dead for 3 days according to the bible.

you said claimed? did you bother to verify first before your conclusion?

rejosom:
Maybe because our Men of God pray for the dead and they rose up. At least that's what they claim. Even Jesus claimed to pray for a man who was dead for 3 days. Now that my friend, is 3 days after judgment. You see that judgment is not final if there is anything like it.

shakyum12:
[color=#0000ff] glo user spoted oga wake up, u r not even the third to comment[/color]

the many problems we have today is to assume something and taking it as fact without real thought or may I say proof. think again about what you wrote

SweetBoyFriend:
Judgement by who ??

You still believe this shiit ??

How about when God fed 5,000 people with 2 fish ?? You still believe that too ??

this is spiritual stuff do you understand spiritual things? I bet you don't understand up to half of physical things

one of the many traditions of men

realmindz:
pastors, the greatest con men of our time.

They preach holiness and tell us the world is vanity, while they enjoy the fruits of these vanity.

Guess who shall inherit the earth? Pastors,... because while the others have abandoned their earthly vanity for the promise of heavenly treasures, these con men who have come in peace and holiness are busy investing, buying shares, sending their kids to the best of schools and enjoying the luxury of life....From whose money??

true, but common sense can only take you that far

sonofluc1fer:
You mean that Jewish criminal that was hung on a cross?
You dont have better role models to look up top
?

please give us some list of good role models

0b100100111:

Hello! Your religion claims that he created all!


So we can authoritatively say your God created some gay animals which logically proves that he might have had a slight affinity for gays and lesbians and probably programmed some humans same way.


The point is he created gay creatures!

animals, man, plant, spirits don't follow the same law. he gave man commandments but not animals. man is a free moral agent animals are created to follow a particular pattern.
there is confusion and misunderstanding when you relate all as one

0b100100111:
So animals that indulge in it re possessed too?

Smh.....

so man and animal is the same? do they follow the same law? no wonder you guys cannot understand life properly

AwesomeDuru:
Yeah well if he's God, then he has failed miserably in his duties and should be treated as thrash. Do you know how many innocent children go to sleep every night without food or shelter? What about the chaos all around the world? Your God is wicked, deal with it.

when man do not obey what he instructs. in the end you will understand. many of those children are in paradise enjoying. this present life is not the whole meaning of life

KinzyeWriter:
I believe in both physical and spiritual science... I am not an atheist but I don't put one religion above another... so I hate people saying if you don't accept Jesus you will perish

in the spiritual the truth is clear. thank you for chatting with me without insults most of this type of chat is very insulting.
have a nice Sunday