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Newboss:
Have you ever read any scientific book on the theory of evolution apart from what you read in secondary school about it? Please don't lie, be sincere, because your sugar daddy is looking at you from the 'sky' ! If you have not, then we shouldn't be talking about evolution. You should go and read it to know what is there! Between genetic changes and a sugar daddy saying "ho ho", and there was "ha ha", I wonder which is really practical!

You obviously don't know the meaning of laws and how they come about. I doubt you ever passed Biology in secondary school! It's goes through a series of process, and gets proven before it becomes a scientific law! That is why people study phenomenon! Law of gravity is a scientific law... Laws of force are scientific laws... Laws of motion are scientific laws! Are you religious folks this daft? You don't just pick up some stupid does and don't and tell me that they are what YOUR God said, that I should obey them! That is madness of the highest order in any civilised society! These things are subjective! They are as good as trash! Gravity is not a law!

I repeat, the only laws are scientific laws (you obviously don't know what that means), government enacted laws governing a nation or territory, and religious laws (which are absolutely subjective and meant for religious zombies)

Why government enact laws? For real?
In Saudi Arabia, there was a government enacted law that forbade women from driving. In most parts of the world, women had the freedom to drive. The laws in every country is based on the sentiments shared by the leaders of such countries. So any nation one finds oneself, there are laws there. You MUST obey them! Why? The government said so! There are all manner of stupid laws in North Korea! But, if you go there, you MUST obey them! I hope you get it?

No one in Nigeria should have sex with anyone below 18! They are underage, according to the laws of Nigeria!
But, your problem is not sex with underage. Your problem is that some religious book told you that no one should have sex with someone they are not married to! That's where the problem lies with you! So don't find a way to paint the problem and make it look like what it really isn't!

What is driving you is the same thing driving jihadists in Islam! They want everyone to follow their religious book! Forgetting that there are so many religions on this earth, all with different religious trash!

let us see who is more ignorant. one question at a time. what did scientist said bring about the universe? i.e origin of the universe?

OSUigbo:
Stop arguing senselessly.
How is it possible for all Africans to be slaves (Christians)?
The Europeans were fiercely resisted but they overpowered the Africans with their technology.
When are oppressed and hungry, you tend to bow to pressure.
The Ethiopians fougth and retreated but they never surrendered. That's why they are the only country in Africa today that wasn't colonized.

Christianity was forced on most Africans.

u obviously are naive, in fact ur. own mind have misled ur reasoning. your colonial masters are different from missionaries. Christianity is not even the religion of the colonial masters. anyway your level of thinking is limited by ur belief

CuteMadridista:
So you're against using logical reasoning to teach children?

no, logic is man greatest asset but it has limit. children should be thought how to use it wisely not blindly

OSUigbo:
See stupìd rant.
You should have asked me why is it important to eat food. Instead of asking why lions eat meat or why goat eat grass and a bear eats both...
The stupìd idea of blood sacrifice is a human thing that was indoctrinated into religion.
How foolish are you people?

If native Americans worship wolves, you call it savage.

If Africans worship their ancestors, you call it primitive.

But when you worship a guy that proclaimed himself to be God and turns water into win - who lived just 2000 years ago, you call it normal.
This people who FORCED this religion on you are they same people who enslaved, raped and killed your people.
But I'm not surprised. Slavery it's not a crime in the Bible.

am surprised when people say Christianity was forced on us. if so why did every african person not a christian. christianity is free will and what u dont know is that. different religion know the spiritual strength of the other but unlike u standing in the dark. ask shango worshippers who is jesus

Newboss:
Evolution is more sensible, practical and easier to relate with than a sugar daddy in the sky! Evolution shows you facts, but you show us words and ask us to believe them!

Law? Wow?

The laws in your religious books, ba?

I think there's a law in your religious book that says that a woman caught in adultery should be stoned to death?

Has your God ammended the law?

What about the law in the religious books of Muslims?

Do you really know that you are being subjective by trying to use your religious book and God as a standard for others, instead of the religion and God of the Muslim or that of the the African Traditional Religion practitioner?

Yeah, because there are actually no such thing as "law" apart from the ones enacted by government, or religious bodies or proven scientific theories and laws!

If you want to talk about your religious laws, please know that they're absolutely subjective, and practically insult the other fellow's religion and intelligence

Two people having sex in their own privacy o, and you dey there dey vex, saying that your God doesn't like it. Who cares about your God or what he likes? Is the guy or girl raping the other? Your anger is just that two humans are having sex but they are not married! That's the highest level of madness in a civilised society!

u are very naive indeed to say evolution is practical i bet u dont even know the theory and is assumption. name one practical aspect of evolution? your naivety became more obvious when u say there are no law except law of1 government and science proven ones.even science have confirmed many laws we met and try to find a formula. is it u or ur father that created the law of motion,, gravity, force e.t.c. why did the government put law anyway. to exercises your freedom. have sex freely with anyone then even with underage since the underage have urge. hypocrite

CuteMadridista:
Can you elucidate on how sex education is used as a way to shove evolution down our throats?

sex education is thought with logic reasoning so also evolution. i spoke of similarities

Newboss:
He obviously didn't get the sarcasm!

So what is the purpose of sex?

The books I read are not stupid religious books, but scientific books.

scientific books indeed! if u are not blinded by science u will know the things u read are different in practical sense. and have u read about the evolution theory? what do u think?
sex is created for pleasure as u know all am saying is there are laws governing it. u cant just run around the street with ur organ out looking for who to have sex with because u have high libido or want pleasure. my friend law govern every thing even the earth and everything in it obey laws sex inclusive

OSUigbo:
It seems your brain is paining you.
Sacrifice for what?
Sacrifice for who?
Sacrifice to who?

Who needed a blood sacrifice of an innocent man for appeasement?

I Know ur brain is healthy but obviously u are unlearned when it comes to spiritual matters. go ask in your village why the traditional healers always ask for sacrifice and most importantly why do lion kill other animals for food instead of eating grass? u with healthy brain answer that.it is impossible for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, u need brain update to understand things of the spirit

CuteMadridista:
I Can't argue against that even many of the children of parents that go the spiritual route end up bad too

What's your opinion on sex education in public schools?

It is good, it compliments GOD words just like doctors do. the spiritual law only guides but the physical is the practical. the only problem i see is that this sex education is not balanced more like the way education shove evolution down our throat

OSUigbo:
What foolish sacrifice?
Why must there be a sacrifice?

Jesus left his throne to die on earth that is a big sacrifice it symbolises love. sacrifice is the biggest practical love and it pleases GOD

CuteMadridista:
So your difference boils down to method but the structure is the same. Frank317 thinks he'll teach his kids the secular way and educate them while you think the spiritual way but either way you guys both accept education

yes, father must educate the kids unfortunately many do it wrongly

Newboss:
Why did God create sex?

Oh, for baby making!

Then he put all the pleasure nerves there for the baby to fùck the mama in the womb when coming out? Oh, it's for the woman to be using finger to fùck herself! Oh, the man's dìck is for masturbating whenever they're not ready to "babymake"

No, it's not for teenagers , they say!
What if teenagers (19, 19) get married?

Yeye dey smell!

You religious folks are practically brain dead!

Why would any intelligent person listen to religious talks? Absolutely nauseating!

Somebody wrote book and gave you and told you that that's the rules, and you threw away your brain!

you write ignorantly, dont use your level of. reasoning as a standard for others. i did not say sex is for baby making u assumed that and shows u lack objectiveness and u are limited by your own belief. u said somebody wrote books! the books u read are u the one that wrote them? wisest man

alBHAGDADI:
It is common these days to see people posing a question to Christians on social media and even in debates with the question always in one same manner. The question usually comes from Atheists, Jews, Muslims and even heretic Christians. They wonder why we see Jesus as God and worship him.

So they ask "Show me Where Jesus said "I am God worship me?" in those exact words.

You might become confused at this moment if you are not smart. Yes, you know you can't find anywhere in the Bible where Jesus said such in those exact words, so you might be quick to quote some classical verses that show Jesus Christ is God.

Well, the person asking that question has been trained in such a way that no matter the amount of verses you quote, he won't believe you unless you show him where Jesus said "I am God worship me" in those exact words. Now he has boxed you in the "exact words" corner. The only way you can get out is to pull him into the corner to make him see how stupid it is dealing with exact words. I bet you, he will be the one to open the door for the both of you to leave the corner once he realises how stupid it is. How do you do that? You flip the question back at him. You say...

"I'll be willing to show where Jesus said 'I am God worship me' in those exact words only if you can show me where he said 'I am only a prophet, do not worship me' in those exact same words. At that moment, he will start to realise the error of requesting for exact same words. To stamp it on him, if he's a Muslim that believes according to the Quran that Jesus was born of a virgin, then ask him to show you in the Quran or Bible where Jesus said "I am born of a virgin" in those exact same words. If he can't, then it means his belief that Jesus was born of a virgin is false.

The idea behind the above is to ensure you are not dealing with exact words. If the Jew, atheist, Muslim or heretic Christian can't show you anywhere in the Bible or Quran or any book where Jesus said these exact words "I am only a prophet, do not worship me" or "I am born of a virgin", then it means he shouldn't require of you to show him where Jesus said the exact same words "I am God worship me".

Once you have passed that, you can now ask a more reasonable question.

WHERE AND HOW DID JESUS CLAIM TO BE GOD?

According to the Jews, Christians and Muslims, there are certain claims only God can make. All 3 religious beliefs hold the same view about God in that regard. That is why I am going to use the Old Testament, the New Testament and the Quran to see if Jesus made claims that only God can make.

1. Who is the "First and the Last"?

Let's start by quoting the Quran

Sura 57:3
He is the FIRST and the LAST, and the Outward (His signs appear on all His creatures) and the Inward (Hidden). And He is the All-Knower of everything.

Now let's read from the Old Testament

Isaiah 44:6
New International Version
"This is what the LORD says-- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the FIRST and I am the LAST; apart from me there is no God.

Since both the Quran and the Bible agree that God is the First and the Last, should a prophet refer to himself as such? But that is what Jesus Christ did in the verse below.

Revelations 1:17-18
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the FIRST and the LAST. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

Can you tell us what Jesus meant when he took a title that can only be applied to God and applied it to himself? If he wasn't claiming to be God, then what was he doing?

psalm 110:1 might help u

Originakalokalo:
The child of a lion is a lion.
The child of a human is human.


The child of God is God.



How many times are we going to say this?

Jesus is the manifestation of God in the Physical.

He referred to the Unseen, Invincible and Almighty God .

He is HIS physical form. He is God.

I understand it so easily. Without stress, without bias, without an iota of doubt.

Why they don't see it as I do beats my imagination.

The holy Spirit helps in this case. If you don't have him, you will never understand Spiritual things.

Jesus said,. I have a lot of things to tell you.but you can't bear them now

. When the Spirit comes, he will guide you in all truth and teach you. He said this to his disciples.

I guess that's why something that is this clear is still vague to a lot of people.


Foolishness is the gospel to the thinkers.according to the scriptures.

I cannot help you or anyone else beyond this.

Everyone just keep opening threads upon threads on the same subject matter.

If you don't understand,

I pray that God will give you understanding.

we like to make the bible look stupid,Jesus made is clear all through who he was. psalm 110:1 Who was GOD referring to?

OSUigbo:
Who told you that rubbish?
Did Èlíjà died?
Death doesn't have any significance. Some animals don't die... Some jellies...


The big question you have been hypocritically avoiding is;


WHY IS IT IMPORTANT THAT HE DIES BEFORE GOD CAN FORGIVE HUMANS SINS?

WHY SHOULD THE BLOOD OF AN INNOCENT NAN BE SHED BEFORE GOD IS APPEASED?


IS GOD A RITUALIST?

u clearly dont understand. he would have just died when he was born as a sacrifies for all. he came with a mission his death is a victory that he completed it

OSUigbo:
This is so illogical and stupìd comprehend.
Why must Jesus Die for anyone's sin?
Must someone die before 'God' will be happy?

u dont understand the significant of his death. by dying he completed his mission on earth.

CuteMadridista:
Your previous post says otherwise though

if teenagers truly understand the meaning and reason for sex then they can make a good decision afterall they did not create sex they met it, they need to know why and how it come into place

This is what Frank317 is saying too

u did not seems to understand the passive meaning, if teenagers know why God created sex and the rules they will not need any advice and they will be free from all issues involving sex

CuteMadridista:
This means you're agreeing. I'm not the one that gave the analysis though

i did not agree

CuteMadridista:
Are you agreeing or disagreeing with the post you quoted?

agree or disagreeing is one sided view. your analysis is one sided, if teenagers truly understand the meaning and reason for sex then they can make a good decision afterall they did not create sex they met it, they need to know why and how it come into place

CuteMadridista:
Herd mentality, Group Hallucinations, a lot are lying out of faith, almost all are caught up in post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. Read about the Cardiff Giant Hoax

funny, so cardiff giant hoax apply to all instances? whosoever believe in jesus is hallucinating or have herd mentality and u call this objectiveness? u know very little about life

CuteMadridista:
Obviously Jesus powers are fictional, no objective evidence backs up any of the spiritual powers attributed to him

but then, why do people believe in him and many says his powers are real?

frank317:
To start with..

- fornication brings evil spirit into ur life
- fornication is disobedience
- fornication brings death
- fornication brings sickness
- fornication brings unwanted pregnancies
- youths should not think of sex (this is impossible)

All these are lies

I started having sex at 18... i didnt die, i was not disobeying anyone, i didnt pregnant any one, i never fell sick, i always thought of sex as a youth.

Why? Because i was a reaponsible child.

this are physical aspect of man that ignores the spiritual aspect and these have turned the world upside down

frank317:
The thought of sex is an involuntary action that occurs in a normal adolescent.

Teach them to be responsible
Teach them the consequence of sex
Teach them it is a responsiblity
Teach them to do it only when they are ready

Dont teach them that sex is bad
Dont tell them it kills
Dont misinform them

Tell them the truth, guide them but let them make their own decision and face the outcome... everyone should be allowed to make mistakes and learn from it

there. are many things they need to know about life itself. then they can make good choices

wamiikechukwu:
I find it funny that even in the land where Jesus was claimed to be from, do not believe in him.

But in some parts of the world "specially the the place where nothing ever works (Africa)" , believe in him as if they have seen him before.

How i wish i was born 5000 years ago i would have created my own religion i would have named it "xyz"

get ur facts right, africa did not create Christianity , the most advanced people in the world believed and brought it to africa

1stSonOfLucifer:
Refer to this post

https://www.nairaland.com/4429221/why-many-jews-dont-believe#66332585

the question don't end on why Jews don't believe but also why many believe more than the other Jewish religions

dionysus7:
i honestly thought you wanted to give logical reasons...yet another disappointment.

you guys are not even trying again, you're just shoving your beliefs in our faces, and when your opinions are scrutinized, you start shouting atheists

u are right in some extent, but logical reasoning have great limit

CuteMadridista:
Everything I've accepted from pink skinned people are things I can verify if I want to and things they put through peer review and rigorous scrutiny. This is different from spiritual nonsense our people accepted just because its written in a book

there u go, man let is personal judgement cloud his objectiveness. 1. how many things have u take ur time to verify 2.how do u know Jesus is unverified?

CuteMadridista:
How can a Nigerian believe the son of a Jewish carpenter killed in a small Israeli village aeons ago was dying for their sins when the Jews themselves don't believe that crhap?

there are even far more Muslims in Israel than there are Christians and that is saying a lot

Religion in Israel (2014)
Judaism (75%)
Islam (17.5%)
other/unknown (4%)
Christianity (2.0%)
Druzism (1.5%)

these guys who's ancestors lived during Jesus time and interacted with him didn't believe he was dying for them but a Nigerian read a book and quickly concluded the Jews are wrong. A slavery endorsing book handed to them by their pink skinned slavemasters

its like saying you know Buhari more than those that are interacting with him because you read punch newspapers
Nigerians need to get sense ASAP

what now is your conclusion? do you know how many things u have accepted from this pink skin people..why with your statistics above Jesus is more popular than the rest religions in Israel?

hopefulLandlord:
I'm doing my part but I'm only human not omnipotent like you said your imaginary friend is, imagine me with omnipotence

disbelief have done great damage to you. how would you know if my friends are imaginary or how can u tell my personal encounters?

hopefulLandlord:
Yahweh is arguably the worst imaginary friend to have

Instead of doing something good with his time like ending suffering he's busy playing bet with the devil. testing his creations

also this imaginary Yahweh is said to be all knowing (omniscient) so I wonder why these deluded Christians see sense in an all knowing entity testing its creations, what nonsense. Humans tests its creations simply because they're not all knowing, we build computer programs and spend huge time debugging and even release updates to remove some bugs after releasing the software and getting feedbacks from customers because we aren't all knowing, what's imaginary Yahweh's excuse for testing its creations?

atheist self with their level of thinking.instead of reasoning why humans. behave the way they do and what istheir personal thought about life, they hide their foolishness by misinterpreting other people belief. what have u done to end suffering afterall u are not imaginary

chemystery:
Bible is not a geography book so we don't expect it to explicitly state that the earth is flat but we can deductively get our facts from criticaly analyzing the passages. The four cardinal point has been in use even before the people know the earth was spherical. And they are used to specify direction while assuming a flat surface. Now, even if the bible is referring to four cardinal points of the whole earth, it is only possible on a flat surface. Take a spherical ball and try to locate four corners of it. It is impossible. Even if you create 4 dots on it as the four corners, give it to another man, he will also create 4 different dots and so on. If four different people stand on four equidistant point on a sphere, a single straight line will connect all dots together. Hence trying to make a sphere four corner will definitely not work. But this is not the case for a flat four cornered surface. You are only trying to match the bible with today's reality and not by what it really implies.


The bible rather misunderstood reality.


Saying Jesus is independent of time and space is claiming to know what you don't know. Are you also independent of time and space to know this? Else what are your proofs for this claim?


I didn't assume anything, you did. You assumed god started existing from nothing and from nowhere. So I asked, if you can make such claim or assumption, why can't you say so for the universe? You can group me anywhere you wish, it doesn't change reality.


Known facts indeed! God told man he is the creator or that the men who created god deceived their fellow men that god created man? In fact, there is no single proof that gods made man but there are many proof that man made god. There are over 4000 gods all made up by men. If gods had made man, maybe with existing 4000+ gods, we'll be having over 4000+ specie of humans made by each god


Anectodotes. I said all these once upon a time.



Hmmmmn, you have been the one trying to explain what you don't know or have any proof of. There is no harm in saying I DONT KNOW. There is no evidence that any god exist except for questions ask from ignorance like: "where did we come from?", " where do we go when we die?", "what is the purpose of life?", etc. But lack of understanding of something is not evidence for gods but evidence of lack of understanding .

clearly you are over simplifying life. Is either you are ignoring the facts based on your belief or you dont like the idea god. Let me quickly correct you there are more than 4000 gods on earth men did not made them up they are spirit beings. Men are ignorant of who they really are. I dont know the area you grew up, there are gods in every country. Like i expect from an atheists like you anything out of the ordinary is either false or bullshit. You have heard of charms before that defies logical reasoning, one of the common charm in my area is gun charm, if you are shot it bounce off the body. There are gods in India, America, England Togo everywhere in the world. From generation to generation people have gave different encounter with them. But of course from your own perspective they are all delusional. Atheist is the worst religion on earth it is based solely on denial and manipulations, although they have no firm belief on anything they try to flaw other religion to make themselves right. The boost and brag that they uses logic or common sense to analyse facts and free themselves from religious bondage but in reality they drown in the world of denial and disbelief. If asked i do the world came into existence they quickly refer u to the bible to make up for there empty words. Imagine saying the universe as always been because religious people talk about god. If u say the universe as always be is this not belief and not common sense. And if i tell u people uses charm to fight communal battle in my state where bullets bounce of people chest would u not term me delusional and disbelief my claim. Everything out of the ordinary is rubbish to an atheist but i always ask them a very simple question, i ask u now dont hide under i dont know, without referring to any religion how do you think the universe came into existence using your common sense that atheist brag about, and do you think countless billion of people world wide that talk about gods (spirit beings) are all delusional?

chemystery:
The bible in several verses insinuated that the earth is flat, using statements like four corners of the earth, supported by four pillars, and the case where Satan took Jesus to a height where he showed Jesus all the kingdom of the earth. And all these are only possible for a flat earth.


Like for instance, the bible contradicted itself by saying the animal was created before man in genesis chapter one while man was created before animals in chapter two. It was later that NIV partially took care of this contradiction from retranslation.

Also, in genesis 1:1: Many versions said in the beginning, god created heaven and earth. But when people started asking where was god before creating heaven, other translations took care of that by replacing heaven with heavens (to mean other planets), some translations replaced heaven and earth with "Universe". This was only done after scientist must have discovered other planets.

Nobody knows where the original bible manuscript is. Everyone is just translating from what they could lay their hands on.

I mentioned this to you?


An assumption. Just to let you know that any being that have gain consciousness to ask questions but not enough to provide answers, will likely invent gods, Satan, witches, ghosts, etc. You know previously sickle cell was attributed to witchcraft. Get it now?


And god also cannot be formed from nothing, neither can he form the universe from nothing!
So since we both know this concept, why can't we both admit that we don't know?


Same question ancient primitive men asked, and the answer was to invent gods


You asked a valid questions but it will only be sentimental if you haven't ask why we aren't seeing any talking snake or talking donkeys as recorded in the Bible. Because if this is true, we would have had cases of snakes or donkeys talking to humans

Maybe, but the bible is million times more absurd. Doesn't even qualify for a myth or comic book. Asking where the first living thing came from is a valid questions. And my answer to that is I DONT KNOW. If you say it is god, where did it come from? Nowhere? If yes, then why can't we say same for the universe?

i will raise few points. First the bible did not say the earth is flat you assume it said that. Many contradictions in the bible is based on assumptions. If the earth is round as we know it why do scientist divide it into four parts, north, south east and west as though it is flat? You also misunderstood the bible when he said every eye will see him, even if the earth is flat every eye cannot see him because the distance will be too far for the eye to see. This is the rapture Jesus is referring to the spiritual part of man that is independent of time and space.
If you assume the universe has always been we are no longer talking of common sense but i will group you among a religion because that is a belief not a common sense.
If we are talking about the term beginning it is always difficult for man to comprehend because he has a beginning. It is a known fact that man have little knowledge of the earth because he found himself on it, and God from the start told man he is the creator. The spirit of God testifies even today and i am a witness. Every other thing outside a creator is disbelief and lacks any evidence.
We cannot deny the fact we know nothing about the term in the beginning, which ever way u look at it God or no God. Trying to base on this limit of understanding has made man a foolish being, for how do you try to explain what you dont know, more like an ape trying to understand why men created computer