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merryossai:
I believe in grace but I also believe in punishment for sinners. I believe hell exist but not as we have envisioned it cos God is merciful.

the Bible says weeping and gnashing of teeth, what do you envisioned?

Freiden:
God wouldn't be that wicked to throw people into fire...That's if he's interested in what we do in the first place

He wouldn't destroy the world with water let alone fire.

NOTE: There nothing like hell...Hell is like Santa Claus

Don't bother quoting me....I am entitled to my own opinion and my opinion shouldn't be your headache.

yes your opinion is your own but be sure to back up what you say especially if it is about the things of the spirit

torres89:
I don't believe in miracles

especially from Pentecostal churches

all lies and hypnosis

or just mare coincidence

that which we call miracle could just be a determined mind at work

psychologist understand that better

Jesus Christ and the saints were the last to work miracles...

you don't believe, so even if you experience it first hand you will attribute it to another thing, that is why the Pharisees said Jesus cast out sprit by the same spirit cause they don't believe he is from God

Maximus85:
It's good to know you all know your pastors are fake. You don't even trust them. Lol

not all

torres89:
I don't believe in miracles

especially from Pentecostal churches

all lies and hypnosis

or just mare coincidence

that which we call miracle could just be a determined mind at work

psychologist understand that better

Jesus Christ and the saints were the last to work miracles...

you don't believe, so even if you experience it first hand you will attribute it to another thing, that is why the Pharisees said Jesus cast out sprit by the same spirit cause they don't believe he is from God

Sniper12:
An Israeli carpenter was killed by the govt. Some say he died for our sins. How does that make sense

it don't make sense if you apply just logical reasoning

CAPSLOCKED:

HOW THE DEATH OF A MIDDLE-EAST MAN WHO WAS CONDEMNED AND KILLED FOR TREASON BY HIS TOWNS PEOPLE THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO, IS OUR NUMBER ONE CONCERN AS CIVILIZED AFRICANS, STILL BAFFLES ME.

because you apply only logical reasoning

dionysus7:
hear that folks? if we didnt sin, Jman would have died for nothing...sin away muthafuckas, the least we could do is honor the God that sacrificed himself to himself so he could save us what he would do to us if we did what he had known we would do before creating us...the gospel of a an omnipotent omniscient God.

you don't understand the scripture very well

skillful01:
formely a Deist/pantheist now a Christain(13days now)...Jesus The Christ saved me from death.

guide against just any doctrine. read the Bible even though you can't understand everything. in the right time the holy spirit speak through it and will bring all to your understanding

0b100100111:
The Oyinbo man that sold the religion to them told them not to

sold? do people buy religion?

internationalman:
Exactly my point. All I'm saying is names don't have any influence on our future turn out.

OK now I understand you better

Brownbarbie97:
The white man imposed religion(Christianity) on us to make us subservient, docile and "more tolerable" and it worked.
Now I'm a Christian,don't get me wrong but Christianity and religion as a whole is one of the reasons Africa is as backward as it is because Africans being the highly superstitious beings that we are over abuse these religions which is why we can't think and act but pray to our God to solve even the slightest problems.
Now back to the topic,as holy as he was,the name "JESUS" is really just a name which is why so many Latin Americans and the rest bear that name.They see nothing wrong in giving their kids such names but over here where we are so religiously inclined it is perceived as a taboo. These pple that brought us religion are more liberal and neutral about it than we the recipients.
Talk about being more holy than the pope,ha!

it

internationalman:
And yet in Africa they say the name we bear has influence on our future turn out. The irony now is that despite this believe nobody seems to b naming their children Jesus.
Africa is a confused continent.

you did not think hard enough before you say things, your unbelief have got in your perceptiveness. don't you know if one act contrary to his name the name becomes invalid?

hopefulLandlord:
did you even go through the thread at all

yes,
Everything started, whenUma Bharati(former chief minister of the state of Madhya Pradesh)accused her political opponentsin a public statement ofusing tantrik powers to inflict damage upon her. In fact, within a few days, the unlucky lady had lost her favorite uncle, hit the door of her car against her head and found her legs covered with wounds and blisters.India TV, one of India’s major Hindi channels with national outreach, invitedSanal Edamarukufor a discussion on “Tantrik power versus Science”.Pandit Surinder Sharma, who claims to be thetantrik of top politiciansand is well known from his TV shows, represented the other side. During the discussion, the tantrik showed a small human shape of wheat flour dough, laid a thread around it like a noose and tightened it.He claimed that he was able to kill any person he wanted within three minutes by using blackmagic. Sanal challenged him to try and kill him.

hopefulLandlord:
did you even go through the thread at all

yes,

hopefulLandlord:
sleight of hands

Check out this thread https://www.nairaland.com/3381868/indian-atheist-challenges-spiritualist-kill#49823451

there again you miss up real and fake.
I live in abuja, but am from warri. I was a one of those that hunt for white guys back in the days, and we do carry charms. believe it or not bullets bounce of our chests, we even have the ability to become invincible or vanish.

missing the real and fake is not an objective way of analysing things

hopefulLandlord:
clear miracles indeed, like the amputee that was healed through prayer a few months back?

many miracles are staged by this pastors, but there are few real ones. like the one that happened to me personally.

let us leave the Bible for now, what do you know about charms?

hopefulLandlord:
Can modern people not see, buried in all religious texts, what is clearly man's agenda given the time frame? There masked in the words of the bible, and all other religious texts of the time. ...Rape is Ok, homosexuality is not, the concepts of marriage, don't spill your seed on the ground, better to ejaculate in your dead brother’s wife and get her pregnant. There simply saying, MAKE MORE PEOPLE!!! WHY,,, because obviously they, the leader of the time, clearly understood the more people they had under there control, the richer they would become, and the more powerful they were. They were uneducated by today’s standards yes, but they were clearly not stupid. They understood expansion. It was control, plain and simple..... This very agenda is what made religion the power base it is today, though much, much weaker than it was in it's earlier years. To this very day they still don't what to lose what they went to all the trouble to obtain over the years. But even the lower end of the religious hierarchy does not seem to understand this. Your local preachers and churches, they do not understand this, they are just doing what they think is right, based on the biblical texts. They never bothered to question it. they're taught not to. That seems to be a key factor of all religions. Stagnation of intellect. Don't think for yourself, we have done all the thinking for you, and don't listen to any one else but us. Don't question us, or just as we did with Galileo, we will throw you in jail. You just blindly do what we say, the way we say do it, and in return you won't burn in lake of fire for eternity. Oh, and above all,,,don't forget to pay us.

from your writings, you clearly must be a very ignorant man about things of life. coming from Nigeria makes it unbelievable for me to comprehend. are you trying to tell me you know nothing about extra ordinary force like charms etc or real move of God through clear miracles and move of the holy spirit?or maybe your intellectual ability have blinded your eyes from everyday life

Harbioye:
U don't in anyway sound offensive.
I just need proofs

the proofs are there in the Quran, the stories don't tally, take the story of Abraham as example about Ismael, and particularly Jesus.

jagugu88li:
walls01.....how market?
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You my friend are the only smart person in this thread. Holy angels on assignment are with you

those that seems wise in their own eyes, measure themselves by themselves

Harbioye:
Is that all?

of course not, don't want to sound offensive. am not sent to condemn.

Harbioye:
Enlighten me

the Quran has changed most of the stories in the bible

Lagusta:
Have u ever head of "choice"

yes, I also know we should be careful of the choices we make

jagugu88li:
Maybe it is because 100% intellectual capacity is a luxury. Honestly, you cannot throw a shoe back a hundred years without hitting a hundreth of hypocritical reverends and pastors, who systematically molded the church using "fear hell fire" inorder to extract first the brain's freedom of thinking and lastly one's earnings.

Nigeria should be night.....Goodnight. Again....beware and no, I am no atheist.

don't worry about me I don't work by sight. you should be able to differentiate the shaft from the wheat. so you don't mistakenly take the shaft as the wheat

Lagusta:
Why do I need the holy Spirit when God that created the holy spirit is with me already?

are you trying to tell me is God that ask you to write such?

jagugu88li:
Yes, it is indeed a happy Sunday. I visited my aunt and cousins and was it a blast we had for lunch.....How was yours? Good, I hope

On other news: Beware of fake gods and ..... (I forgot the rest) but beware. Atleast one wont claim they where not told about the fakeness of these nitwit pastors. Same way people where warned of MMM.

happy Sunday, how sweet life is when there is peace and love among us. the type of lunch you had is not as important as coming together to have it keep it up and the Lord continue to give you peace all around Amen. I wonder how people become so blind this days and cannot tell the difference.

GAZZUZZ:
What if it is?

then you are blameless, but just be mindful and be sure you are certain or better still reframe from judging then you become totally blameless

feelgoodInc:
the Bible existed before the Koran. that's a fact

yes, they changed most of the stories

GAZZUZZ:
Juju come meet Juju

be mindful of how you speak, in the realm of the spirits ignorance means nothing. how do you know it is juju? what if it is not?

jagugu88li:
His visit to the proohet was reharsed and planned so well

They, both him and silly joshua are only but trying to prove that him, super mongro joshua is powerful. Nigeria run. South Africa maybe has finally been freed from this evil boy......Naija, run.

There was no deliverance there. Scene 1, act 1........action

I wonder why people just say what they like, please how do you know all this?

felzylix:
Even demons now bow to demons.
BTW, this is no confession, he should at least tell how far he had gone to be so possessed rather he's seeking to step up his bizarre doctrines in a coded way to pull more crowd of gullible zombies

you speak about things you don't understand, in science we call it theory

WORLDPEACE:
One controversial pastor get's delivered from evil spirits by another controversial pastor.
You are not wrong my brothers and sisters if you suspect money has changed hands.

unbelief make you write this, even though you have no fact or certain of what you wrote

Lagusta:
Welcome to Africa ladies and gentlemen......

Where a scam pastor goes to another scam pastor for deliverance!!!! Na wa!!!

You don't see Anglican and Baptist primates do these nonsensical shenanigans.....

Why are we so backward in this continent?

you speak without been guided by the holy spirit