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Gbawe please look away now. After regaling us with tales about the APC and concluding in a hurry that "it is the same setof clannish people who call APC all manners of negatives daily on this forum without realising that the greatest strength of the APC is the reality of how, beyond the lies and immature name- calling, it is a Party that will always endeavour to help Nigeria's best and most meritoriously- endowed hands gain power instead of frustrating them openly as others do without shame. Keyamo, totally new to politics, gains what he wants without prolonged rancour or "do-or-die" wahala. This is beautiful to see and , for me, thesalvation of Nigeria. This, as we continue to say,is what makes the APC special. Anybody can jointhe Party but its important positions, i.e those that affects the lives of ordinary Nigerians, will be reserved for proven performers. " It turns out that your party's national Vice Interim National Vice Chairman, South-South, of the All Progressives Congress, Chief Tom Ikimi, has described as misleading reports that the party has adopted Festus Keyamo as its candidate for the forthcoming bye-election for Delta Central Senatorial Diastrict.http://www.punchng.com/news/apc-denies-adopting-keyamo-for-deltas-senatorial-bye-election/ |
rahim01: Damme patient's jonathan' wife of de president of nigeria' each time she speak's on television am always ashamed of her voice' dat small crackd voice shuld be luked in to because "nigerians, expcts more speaches 4rm her, most pple can't here her clearly. I suggest when ever she's out on tv to address de public' she shuld use bita cola and aligator pepe togethr and chew it for throat clearing!
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eGuerrilla: It might also just be one of the reasons for our re#tarded growth as a nation.A "rigged election" as God's doing? Only a Godless fellow would fail to see the Paradox in reaching such a nonsensical conclusion which leaves me wondering who were those in Okey's class; mowrons? Despite the many arguments you and so many feel you can advance against Religion and the concept of a Divine God, have you stopped to wonder what a "Godless" Nigeria would be like? It's already Dog eat Dog as it is so what would be the prospects without the tender restraint Religion and "God" brings? |
eGuerrilla: How dare you condemn the most popular problem-solving approach at the disposal of Nigerian politicians?That "popular problem solving approach" might just be the reason this nation hasnt gone up in flames along with the souls of thousands. Dont hate on Religion - which remains mans greatest weapon, hate on those that have chosen to use it as a tool of deception and an excuse for indolence. |
Forester45: Please let us be sincere to ourselves. 100billion released by FG, is it the FG/ASUU 2009 agreement?. Is 30billion FG/ASUU 2009 agreement?? Not even all the lecturers are entitled to the earned allowance. Unless you are still advocating for students to keep paying for projects topic approvals and supervision, you had better plead with FG to honor the agreement he freely signed not on gun point. Or perhaps you still wants the lecturers to embark on another strike by mid next year? Let it be settled ones and for all. Help save the future of your unborn children/grand children. They will ask you where you are when the government was rubbishing the tertiary institutions, and you will not know what to say.I'm curious, are you a student, lecturer or an observer? |
Idi Amin: Just like ya profile signature says, shoe get size. This he goat is not ya size so keep the e-slap for people of your status, Ibo boyActually, the e-slap is no less what you deserve for not just being loud mouthed but for being driven by hunger to defend another man's land with your blood and trying to lure the brave one that was Patriotic enough to stand and defend his Father land away from his Duty to serve. Here's my advice and I suggest you take it; bend over and shove that American Visa deep down your other end. |
clefstone: People lyk Wesley(all due respect to him) r looking to consolidate by accepting bein Igbo in other to enjoy d avantage of number which on its own is a wise move.It is plainly unfair that you'd reduce my entire argument to an innate selfish desire to 'belong'! You're wrong and I keep wondering what it is thats driving your argument. @Pharoh obviously has his own agenda and has held on to them for quite a while, but you my brother, your argument seems to be driven by some huge level of unwillful ignorance tainted with misplaced pride. I read an earlier post of yours where you said "there's no Ndichie whatever in Aboh" and have to ask, really? You think so or you know so? Secondly, you make it sound like all things Igbo are abhorred in Aboh so I'll love to ask you what you know about the ties between Aboh and certain Igbo communities like Oguta, Idemili and Osemele. i'm mostly interested in your view of Osemele and the level of ties you know that still exists between Aboh and Osemele. Lets talk culture, lets talk people lets talk brotherhood. |
clefstone: Agha eli Osa 1. I respect ur maturity and knowledge. But lets look at it this way. Suppose Aboh was at the location of onitsha wud we hv been pro-biafra? Probably, but we r not at that location. Cud our location hv affected our integration with d Igbos? Yes. Location changes people's destiny. And if u read the history of Igbo, u'd realise tht the various clans tht make up the Igbo ethnic identity today were not united until during the English colonization. Matter of fact, thr was no Igbo before d 20th century. Unificatn of the Igbos was gradual nd as Nigeria became defined the people of the S/E, to strengthen their position saw d need to unite. If Aboh was truely united wit the Igbos before d civil war i bet u they wud hv laid their lives for the Biafra course, forget location. The reason y some 'igboid clans' pulled out of Biafra is not purely location but the Igbo ethnogenesis was stil in d process, Igbo was not fully defined. After the war it was easy to define the true Igbo by the scar of the war. Thr is no Igbo family today without dark war memories. It is imprinted in their DNA and is a strong definition of Today's Igbo. The war doesnt fully define the Igbos but it largely does. Sometimes i ponder, wud it hv been better if Abohs unified wit Igbos. Sometimes, maybe most times my answer is yes. Tht i know is ur position. But these tins r not just a 'o we want to be Igbos' thing. Many factors r involved nd most of those natural factors keep alienating u from them and uniting us wit our south south neighbours.Azuka Nde Aboh, there's a whole lot I could say concerning this issue but I'm not sure I want to go down that line, like I said I've fought this fight over a dozen times even here in this forum and some threads are replete with my arguments - on your side that is. I've argued vehemently that Aboh is no Igbo clan and neither are we Igbos. So why the change of heart you might ask? Well, I grew up! I like you, is a proud Aboh man, rich history, proud culture and deep roots traced back to the ancient kingdom and all that, i love those stories too and my head swells each time I read the accounts of the English explorers or accounts of our local Historians, yes I can relate to all that but when do we wake up and realize we have a world to live in? When do we realize we've got to build bridges and embrace brotherhood? Dont get me wrong my Brother, if I raise this topic with my family, without a doubt they'll take your side but I know its the average Aboh man being only what their genes have taught them to be. The average Aboh man will tell you he's not even Ukwuani let alone distant Igbo. I cant guage your age but if you grew up in the 90's and before, you'll probably know Rogana Ottah the icon of Ukwuani music, he sang a smash hit in the 80's titled "Anyi Bu Ofu" it was a huge hit as it became the rallying song for all Ukwuanis but guess what? Rogana mentioned virtually every Ukwuani community including ise's but didnt mention Aboh! It looked like a travesty but it wasnt. It wasnt an oversight but just what we deserved! The truth is we've got to learn to stop being clannish and get the full picture. I've lived in Benin and I tell you NO ONE really gives a rats ass about some obscure town in the Delta claiming Bini roots - yes thats what it has come to. History to us is merely an Academic exercise and barely holds much for the coming generation and its up to us the present generation to define how we want it to look. Of course there are those that care but lets give history its place and embrace brotherhood as defined by cultural affinity etc there's a whole lot I've got to say but I'll pause now, I greet you. |
B clefstone: And a question for my broda, Mr Wesley, assuming an Aboh man becomes president tomorrow, do u think tht the Igbos will see him as an true Igbo president? note tht GEJ's name is Ebele nd more recently Azikiwe, does tht make him an Igbo president? I am a realist to the core and wud neva be heard supporting a union based on psychophancy, one tht wud definitely end in betrayal.Here lies the problem; POLITICS, dirty petty POLITICS. I'll tell you a story. There was an Aboh teacher by name Wayas, (Not sure there's an Aboh man that went through Aboh Grammar School and doesnt know Wayas - I didnt but I've heard legendary tales) he went to the farm one day and stumbled on some eggs belonging to some kind of bird but wasnt sure which so he took the eggs home and laid them alongside those of his chicken that was hatching its eggs also. fortunately, 2 of the eggs hatched and they probably(Not sure any longer) belonged to a kite and they all watched them grow alongside the chicks and the mother did fend for them as she did her chicks and they matured and had feathers all over then one day while everyone watched, one of the birds just shook its wings and took to flight, it didnt stop till it was out of sight and while a section believed it would come back b4 nightfall some said it wont - it never did and I dont have to tell you where the other bird ended up the next day do i? yes, in some metal pot! Moral of the story, I am what I am and wont be defined by what anyone thinks or how they feel, what I am is what I'll be regardless of what anyone thinks. The board here is the culture board and we'd be best served to treat it as such else we'll dabble into somewhere we shouldnt be with raw and unwantted sentiments like your subsequent posts reveal brought to the fore. lets stay cultural please. |
clefstone: The definition of Igbo is a loose one and has been evolving since colonial times. Not minding our origin, Abohs could easily hv been part of the Igbo identity but for the events of the 60s. Nothing has united and defined the Igbos more than the civil war and once the Abohs were neutral/anti-seccession, it became difficult to identify wit the evolving Igbo identity. Today, you, Mr Wesley cannot reason lyk an Igbo man. That war made them into sometin we r not. By d way i wud lyk to know ur 'afa kene' so i can greet u as an Aboh manI think its pitiable that your definition of "Igbo" seems to be a group of people in a particular geographical location who advocated for a separate state called Biafra and were defeated in a civil war! Or Perhaps I didnt get you correctly? Do you really believe a people as diverse as the Igbos can be defined merely by their 'way of thought' or political disposition? Can you prove that the Aboh people were anti-secession as you alluded to in your post? Are you sure Aboh's neutrality wasnt as a result of Her geographical location? Compare Her experience with that of Nndoni just across the Niger. What if Aboh had been located a bit more up-River say in the present location of Onitsha, do you think Aboh would have stayed neutral? I wonder what you mean in saying the war turned them into something we arent, if you're referring to the enterprise of most Igbos I'll ascribe that to mans natural survival instinct and if you were referring to 'Political disposition', I believe thats subjective and depends on who you're talking to. I didi my undergraduate studies in the East and I had friends that didnt think Ojukwu a hero or embraced the 'Biafra Cause' just like myself and those are views I and them remain unapologetic about so by your definition they are what? Perhaps you need to be a lil bit more explicit. Concerning Afa ekenem, I'll pretend I dont know why you asked for it and tell you my Grandma calls me 'Asu Ike bu Eze' but I grew up bearing 'Agha eli Osa'. i suppose yours is Omordi no? |
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Sometimes Laudate II: Correct me if I am wrong, but I got the impression that the =N=200k was a bribe being requested by the Head honcho?I'm not sure if it was requested as a bribe or a penalty. Sometimes arbitrary penalties are levied at the discretion of the tax inspector. However, if it was meant as a bribe, it of course is illegal but you're as likely to meet an incorruptible tax examiner sitting on a desk as you're likely to meet an incorruptible police officer manning a road block. The odds are very even! |
Laudate II: Correct me if I am wrong, but I got the impression that the =N=200k was a bribe being requested by the Head honcho? |
As an Aboh man, I had little choice but to suspend my self imposed Nairaland exile on sighting this thread. Its been a while and I hope you guys can forgive me for not reading the entire thread before posting (maybe I'll do so in a little while). I've noticed loads of falsities in this thread and maybe we'll go into them later. To the OP, I say; I've fought this battle a dozen times and I tell you, it is ultimately pointless! Aboh's Bini ties and heritage can only be denied but so also is Aboh's 'Igboness'. It is simply too late to be anything else and we've got to learn to live with it. I understand where you're coming from but it would also do you a whole of good to take a look at the full picture. BTW, i'm interested in your definition of an "Igbo" |
Sometimes Laudate II: Correct me if I am wrong, but I got the impression that the =N=200k was a bribe being requested by the Head honcho?I'm not sure if it was requested as a bribe or a penalty. Sometimes arbitrary penalties are levied at the discretion of the tax inspector. However, if it was meant as a bribe, it of course is illegal but you're as likely to meet an incorruptible tax examiner sitting on a desk as you're likely to meet an incorruptible police officer manning a road block. The odds are very even! |
[quote author=*Kails*]catfish are scavengers. they eat any and everything including corpses [/quote]You keep corpses in your fish pond? |
braine: He's the one going to hell. He has a first class ticket already.You mean you couldn't tell the guy is really sick? Perhaps you're just as high. |
Katsumoto: So only Tier one banks can lend money?No Sir, it is just an indicator of the strength of a bank. A bank with low T1 capital as are Nigeria banks would only be disposed to short-term-low-capital financing as against those with relatively higher T1 capital. |
Katsumoto: Forex, high fees and hidden charges to customers, low deposits (federal and state governments) and high interests, financing high value petroleum industry deals (short term financing). I am no expert on Nigerian banks. Maybe some one else can add to that list.Banks also get involved in direct investments. Fidelity bank has been particularly impressive in this regard financing a number of projects including NB's can making plant in Ogun state and a number of Agricultural projects. The botched Lagos 'Ibadan expressway was to be financed by a local bank with shared profits but a lac of funds stalled the project till Babalakin got some external finance in SA, unfortunately it never took off. |
Katsumoto: Don't make new rules; you implied/stated that Nigerian banks are cash-strapped. Relative to their environment (Africa), Nigerian banks come tops. Germany has the biggest bank in the world by assets (Deutsche) - does that mean Germany has the bigger banks than the UK, China, the US?Tier one capital remains the top determinant of a banks strength and that's what determines a banks adequacy. Nigeria banks fall far short in this regard. That was my point. |
Katsumoto: The bolded is your answer. Returns from petroleum are almost guaranteed.Suddenly political stability takes a back seat and Returns becomes the only determinants of investment just that Nigeria banks do not care much about "Returns" right? Come on now, this banks are cash strapped and can only finance low capital - short term projects. Meanwhile here's a 2011 article that says Nigeria's top 9 banks aren't worth a single SA bank! Say what? www.vanguardngr.com/2011/08/one-south-africa-bank-bigger-than-nine-top-nigeria-banks-banker/ |
Katsumoto: You mean GTB, Zenith, First Bank, Access, UBA, Ecobank, etc. are cash strapped? Yet Nigeria has 11 banks in the top 50 banks in Africa.Compress those banks and they aren't even worth One South African bank take ABSA for instance. I'm talking Nigeria's top 5 banks here campared to a single SA bank! |
Katsumoto: Because the private sector requires reasonable finance rates and a stable government. Who is going to build railroads when no one is sure Nigeria will survive the next two years? Uncertainty is the enemy of development and commerce; especially when financing rates are in double digits.But we have foreign banks including SA's banks financing 5-year investments with decade long ROI's in the petroleum sector! How's that so? Do foreigners have more faith in Ngr than Nigerians do? Perhaps it's just that the funds aren't there and "faith" has become a convenient excuse! |
Katsumoto: Banks don't have a small pool of funds; Nigerian banks are heavy with funds. For funding to work efficiently, there must beNo Sir, they dont. Ask Babalakin, ask Dangote, as Shell and get data from the CBN. Nigerian banks are highly handicapped and even the PFA's are yet to attain a level of comfort where they can comfortably finance 10year investments let alone banks. All it took to throw the entire banking sector into a spiral was the default of a few petroleum importers in 2008, no Sir our banks lack funds. |
Katsumoto: In Nigeria, crude oil made both private and public sectors lazy and incompetent. The factors necessary for growth are absent in most African countries. Chinese growth is based on manufacturing, discipline, a huge market, and stable leadership. Indian growth is based on a huge market, education, frugal innovation (India leads the world in reaching poor consumers). Nigeria has just Oil and a huge market. Infrastructure is lacking, education is falling, corruption and cronyism are masters of the day, consumers outside Lagos, Abuja, PH, Kano are mostly ignored, political leadership is shaky, capital is expensive, etc. But having said that, most Nigerians depend on the private sector (the informal sector). They are merely surviving; growth is flat for the reasons mentioned previously. For there to be proper growth, manufacturing must be embraced, infrastructure must be developed (Angola's explosive growth is due to infrastructure projects in the last decade), corruption must be reduced drastically and education (especially technical/engineering) must improve.You sound a bit too idyllic IMO. If Nigeria had all those problems you mentioned fixed then I guess we'd be in Utopia! India and China grew their economies despite nonsensical restrictions and shocking levels of iniquity, and there's nothing to suggest Nigeria can't do same with the impediments you've mentioned, we have all the ingredients for success like both India and China had, what saw them through was the Spirit of enterprise and I believe with a little help we'll replicate their success despite the obvious burden we bare. |
Someone (@djohn78) already danced around the answer to your question without mentioning the real culprits - Banks! The banks are the reason our private sector is yet to take its position in the scheme of things. Any country that intends to develop must develop two key areas, her industrial/manufacturing sector and her Agric sector but neither of those sectors can be developed without the Banks playing its role. The banking sector is KEY to the success of the private sector, without a Banking sector with a comfortable pool of funds that can support and encourage "VENTURE CAPITALISM" we are left with a struggling private sector and a whole lot would have to depend on the govt. There's a lack of "idle fund" in the system and that's what has made "External borrowing" very sensible despite the very ignorant criticisms you get to read daily from Nigerians - it's about the only way to reduce the "crowding out effect" and give the private sector some breathing space. The problem is the govt doesnt seem to be doing enough to "sway" events. The govts hands-off policy seems to be leaving too much in the hands of an unprepared private sector and there's just too much to be done. |
truth4meal: Is it not too early in the day for people to reason like they rapt in slumber? This is all you have been waiting for - Buhari's comment and an opportunity to further demonstrate your readiness to be s.tupid by all means. What better describe what is happening in the country if not insurgent? Did members of the insurgent group "Jama Ahl al-sunnah al-jihad" ever refer to themselves as Boko Haram? Don't you think finding fault in a faultless speech is unravelling your folly? You expect Buhari to mention the names of all insurgents before you can understand he is condemning their actions? In the mind of your mind only Boko Haram is the problem abi? Or because the security operatives enjoys soft landing while labelling every form of civil lawlessness an action of BH- you think only the group exist in evil form in the country? During the militancy days of ND people condemn militancy not MEND and other names. Buhari condemned the actions of insurgents which is a concise, succint and diplomatic summary of what is unfortunately happening in Nigeria. One can pardon your absurdity if you claim no knowledge of the real definition of "insurgents" but not when its mischief driven.Oh pls shut it and save your verbosity for your kindergarten class. Bahari was visiting the Emir of Daura his hometown and there was nothing "national" in his visit to have him making reference to national insurgents. The issue was an attac by the BH boys on his hometown and even locals identified the attackers as Kanuris, so why did Bahari choose to blame the wind? If He's that worried about the spate of insurgency and religious extremism in the country why has he failed to condemn the one group that demonstrates extreme attributes of both insurgency and religious extremism? Olofofo over to you. |
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Aren't there laws against corruption?
[/quote]You keep corpses in your fish pond?
. And who told him that young people listen to Rock music a lot in Nigeria? I don't think so. This niqqa is still sick.