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Maximus69:
Helloooooooo!

LOVE
JOY
PEACE
PATIENCE
GOODNESS
KINDNESS
FAITH
MILDNESS and
SELF-CONTROL

Permeates this organization Sir!

So if your humanism concept isn't working out, i think there is no crime in trying something else, even if it's Satanism as long as it's yielding results Sir!

Your organisation that is notorious for abuse, brainwashing and cultish behaviours?

See this Jehovah's Witness. My birthday is coming soon, but I cant invite you

Maximus69:
This is not about PERFECT solution Sir, you had no solution at all!

So you don't have anything to offer with your so called logical approach Sir!

Forget about the criticism ATHEISM infused in your brains against the concept of God, JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have achieved so much with our God and your faculty can never come close to it!

Your cult remains a cult.

incogni2o:
1. You now define to me a God you don't know. that's a dead end I wouldn't follow you through.

2. You sent the obvious, so you tell me Human Parts are very good for medical concusions.

4. Thats my point, you are marketing your "goods and service" same way I am a Java evangelist, something I see as good news.

what I notice is that you have some blizzar responses as the basis of your arguments.

My first two points are examples of your wrong conclusions

I'm replying 3 to 4 people at the same time. You cannot expect me to write so much for each person

1. I'm using your Abrahamic definition of God. Is your God not omnipotent? All powerful? With great power comes great responsiblity and characteristics

2. I pointed out that all those blood money stories are just stories. Where is the video evidence of body parts turning into money? There is never proof for the spiritual

4. Evangelism is a christian word. I do not go from door to door. I am just arguing on the internet and making people aware of my own ideology.

incogni2o:
1. it makes no sense cos you lack the comprehensive capacity to understand. God is a personality and the Bible state's we are made in his image. God has the capacity also to Love, Hate, Get Angry, show compasion and feel most of not all emotions we feel as Man.

2. I don't understand. There are no facts that people are being slaughtered in clod blood and dismembered for blood money?

3. what of my no 3 response.


4. Even if you think you aren't looking for disciples, indirectly, you are, and you are also passionate about it. You are an evangelist. And evangelist of what you seem to believe to be good news.

1. It is you who misunderstands the idea of God. God is an alien. A powerful alien. He would never process emotions the same way humans do. Just as you wouldnt expect a baboon to have the same range of emotions as a human.

2. People can be dismember but there is no magic that turns blood or human parts into money. If they are selling the parts for medical reasons or for a fetish collection, then that is simple trade.

4. Every organisation markets their goods and services. Christians just go the extra mile to call theirs evangelism

Maximus69:
(3) Cult-like behaviours

We are discussing about how to solve the problems facing mankind, you can't point to any success with all the system of government ever attempted on this planet!

Now an organization did a perfect job in achieving success excellently.

And all you could say is

Cult-like behaviours

What is wrong if mankind could find the solution to our problem in Witchcraft?

I thought you claim to be an atheist, so ATHEISM now agreed with religionists on denying success due to flimsy excuses shey?

Well it's you atheists that doesn't have rules that all adherents must stick to Sir, we believe in a Supreme Being. So there is punishment for whoever feels he/she can't cope with the rules anymore!

We don't kill them, we don't lock them up in prisons, we don't report them to you people either, we only shun them so they can go back associating with people without strictly rules!

I am not understanding you again. Are you denying that JW is a christian cult?

Can I marry your member? No
Can I enter your kingdom hall and do some investigative journalism? No
Are members allowed to criticise the church? No
Are ex-members exiled from friends and family? Yes

If it walks like a cult and talks like a cult, it is a cult!


Furthermore, atheism is just a theological position on God. It has nothing to do with morality. It is amoral

Humanism on the other hand, has its own ideology on moral framework based on naturalism. Humanism does not promise a perfect world or solution to humanity's problems. It only suggests a logical approach.

Maximus69:
(2)With all due respect Sir, i'm highly disappointed in you!

For your information, Blood transfusion is dead issue Sir!

You can make further research about blood transfusion, i'm telling you now that even medical experts themselves will never opt for blood transfusion because they now know better!

There are alternative treatments that's 100% safe Sir, don't die in ignorance go and ask medical experts now!

I know that you cannot be reasoned with on this blood transfusion issue. Even the bible verse you use to support your anti-blood transfusion stance does not actually support it.

I wonder how many lives have been lost due to your stubbornness on blood transfusions. Should i link to news articles?

Maximus69:
My friend, what you're trying to do is answer questions.

You've failed woefully to provide a solution to the problem facing humanity.

Even when you spoke with optimism you denied it

Please explain this comment:-
"This is the only Solution"

That's what you said regarding the second option you suggested after you realized your first option is already a failure!

Yet you can't point to any society where your humanism concept have achieved success!

But now that i've presented an organization that has successfully achieved what your humanism concept failed to achieve, you're now looking for excuse to hide your face.

Well that's normal Sir!

I gave 2 solutions to a difficult problem. The solutions are not perfect. Human beings are not perfect. The world is not perfect.

Humanism is not a system of government, and I have corrected you on it.


Your Jehovah's Witness has never achieved anything other than being recognized as a christian cult.

Maximus69:
(1) Mankind in general has failed in their attempt to make peace, i don't think this is the time to revisit cases of failed prophecies but to resolve this i'll answer you.

Jehovah's Witnesses never at anytime made any prophecy Sir!
Most people can't distinguish between prophecies and interpretations, Jehovah's Witnesses studied Bible prophecies to find out it's timing, NOT prophesying anything new, so it's the timing of the prophecies they missed Sir!

It is funny how little you are writing now that I'm putting your church under fire.

So now, you are admitting that your church continuously fails in interpreting bible prophecies?

Kay25:
God exist beyond doubts beyond miracles he exist as a spirit that lives within you and around you.can you see the wind?but you know it blows?you can feel it?that's how God is but when you have him within you you can hear him speak as of a person though his holyspirit directly to you even you the atheist he longs to have a word with you I know your state now is even for him to have his way.take your time to listen to your inner voice not your consciousness or sub consciousness move from your head to your soul crave for the longing of the spirit let your spirit man come alive let it find its way down into the realms of God and his glory will overshadow you I am too sure He will speak to you and even you straight to your ears that he exist.My prayer is that in jesus mighty name whatever scales blocking you from accessing the spiritis of God is broken,devils hand taken off,veil tored begin to hear your maker thy husband.amen

There exist no single physical evidence for God. We cannot see him, touch him, taste him, smell him or even measure him. God is an abstract idea fostered on us by parents, family or friends. No one is born believing in God. If you were born in the bush, you would be worshipping either animals or trees or sun.

You say God is the inner voice. Well, there are many criminals who said that an inner voice told them to commit crimes. Is your God a god of madness?

incogni2o:
Welcome back , How was where you went, or what you were busy with. Hope it was successful.

You just choose what you want from my responses

you didn't reply my first statement.

I thought you'd comeback with good points but unfortunately, maybe where you went has taken a toll on your analytical ability for now, you can go through and reply me later. everything you replied shows you are stressed.

can you get wisdom from your earthly Father?

Do you exist? give me a proof.

Also, you assume everything has being searched by this statement but you also know everything hasn't being searched.

you don't know what you belief my friend.

how old are you if I may ask

I'm old enough to get married. That is all you need to know.

You cannot expect me to address every single issue in your comment. That is a tall order that would see me writing epistles and long chapters.

Man can only learn from the wisdom from others and experience. You did not arrive at God yourself. You were born with a clean slate and your guardians or your friends indoctrinated you with religion.

Wisdom can only be arrived through logic and experience. God cannot give anyone wisdom. God was given to you. God is an abstract idea. An idea not based on any logic.

Kay25:
can you prove that you dropped from no where without your parents?if you can then you are a free individual.until you can tell me you are from Mr nobody then you can exist on your own and proved to be your god yourself.Don get your life mixed up sir/ma whichever title applies to you if you need to know God exist I can ask for the light of it be shed on you if you really want to to know.the void in your life at the moment is the vacumost created by lack of the spirit .you are just as of an animal with a soul when you don't have a spirit.only the spirit can understand the spiritual things and thats the realm of God.God is a spirit.

I know that I am a product of reproduction of the male and female homo-sapien. This would remain true even if I was an orphan that never met my parents.

Spiritual things tend to be useless. There are many successful people who are not religious as well. What truly matters is developing oneself and loving thy neighbour

Joshthefirst:
As an atheist, how do you make sense of a meaningless and purposeless existence?

Life is intrinsically meaningless. We are but a speck of dust compared to the total size of the universe. We live only to die. Every day we live is an other day closer to death. An asteroid could land on the earth and blow all of us to smithereens tomorrow.


Life lacks meaning. This does not mean that we cannot give our lives meaning. For example, there is a stone in my field- it is useless but i can choose to make it useful- I can choose to use it as a grinding stone or a weapon.

Think of life as a blank slate or chalkboard. It has no words or drawings on it. No meaning. It is our choice to either write on it or leave it blank.
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If you want to know how meaningless life is, just look at your Jesus. He really died for nothing. His torment at the cross did not even yield him followers among the Jews- his own people. Most Jews are not christian. Furthermore, almost 70% of people in the world are not christians. His message did not even move close to half of the world. And the numbers of christians are dwindling. Not only that, christianity has been so perverted today, that many even ask if Christians are truly like Christ.

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As an atheist and a humanist, I try to enjoy my life and make this world a better place because it is the only life I will have with my consciousness. I alone give my life the meaning or purpose that I want it to have.

Maximus69:
@ Whitelotus!

Well it's about the concept of a Supreme Being (God).

Though ATHEISTS claims that humans can achieve PEACE on their own without the idea of God or Gods, but the God of the Bible foretold something really strange!

He said during the time when he is about to judge evildoers on this planet, PEACE will be taken away from the earth, and there will be no human society or group that will unite peacefully without the use of force, weapons or records of casualties to scare them from revolting against their own constituted authorities.

God said that is the time he will prove his power by uniting faithful individuals from different races under one umbrella in his own name, they will settle all their racial differences and bury prejudice so that PEACE will reign amongst them!

None of them will carry weapons for no reason whatsoever because from one extremity of the earth to the other extremity of the earth they will view themselves as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers!

What really amazes me is what God said that this will be done when no human society is at PEACE!

So he gave them a name that every nation of the earth will hear for a sign that there is no THEORY they can fabricate that will be able to achieve anything close to what they will see amongst his own people!

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

You are not serious!! Jehovah's Witness?

You guys are the worst type of christians to meet. Trust me, I have seen many ridiculous christian denominations but yours takes the cake, along with Mormons.

Please, tell me how you can be a Jehovah Witness with all the failures of your church? let me list the failures;

1. Failed prophecies from your church leaders since 1875. Not one failed prophecy but six failed prophecies!

2. Blood worship! How many times have governments around the world stepped in to save the lives of sick JW members who refused blood transfusions?

3. Cult-like behaviours- members cant fraternise with non-members. disallowing criticism and questioning of the church doctrine among members etc

4. Hypocrisy in joining the UN when the church doctrine does not allow taking part in government

incogni2o:
1. God's jealousy is a momentary(in the current moment) one, it doesn't have to do with the future. Imagine you saying a married Man shouldn't be jealous of his wife's loyalty since he knows the wife would later come back to apologize to him on his death bed.

2. We have being living with stories of blood money, i give that to you as a project to debunk.

4. You are non religious but trying to make disciples or convince others to find Truth right? That's more of what most religions do

1. Your point makes no sense. If God is omnipotent and omniscient, he is not bound by time. He is the past, present and future. He has no momentary lapses- he cannot be jealous because he knows what will happen before it happens. He cannot be surprised because he can see it coming.

2. Stories are not facts. The stories of blood money are just stories. Why arent babalawos and witchdoctors ever rich? With all their knowledge of magic, you would think them to be powerful and rich.

4. I am not looking for disciples. I just want people to be aware. There is truth outside religion

incogni2o:
You have Faith in a whole lot of things my friend, Logic is not always evidence, indeed Logic can be used to twist beleif cos it doesn't always have all variables that apply to the real conclusions.

Three things you need before coming here to "cure" people.

Knowledge
Wisdom
Understanding

You seem to have a limited but relative greater knowledge so you think you can come here to make disciples, but you are very lacking in the other 2 I'm afraid.

Knowledge and application of that Knowlege 2 Life are two totally different things.

Even Insane men on the streets are sometimes way more knowledgeable.

Wisdom is the Principal thing, It cries in the streets and God is the ultimate giver of Wisdom.

Don't be a fool whitelotus, Only wisdom makes you make right decisions and come to right conclusions, You are currently on the wrong Path.

Stop ignorantly being a tool for the powers of Darkness.

God cannot be a giver of wisdom. That would be impossible by your own beliefs.

1. You believe that your God is perfect and he is omniscient- he knows all things

2. We as human beings are not perfect and we do not know all things. We know less than 1% of the universe.

3. Therefore, if God were to give us his ultimate wisdom, we would not understand it. It would be too much for our limited brains.

4. Furthermore, even the concept of God is nonsensical to human logic. How can something exist without physical proof?

babakb:
Yes Allah is punishing them so that they should repent and turn to HIM, and so that the Muslims that are emulating their evil ways be warned too.

Do you realise how many muslims have died worldwide from covid19?

Do you realise how petty you make Allah sound when he can only correct people by suffocating them to death with covid19?

tintingz:
Arguing with Empiree is like arguing with a wall.

Lol....I found that out when I tried and tried to show him the problem with 15 year olds marrying

Please, I will be back by 6pm to answer any question. I have to attention to some other things.


You can still ask and I will answer all at 6pm

Maximus69:
Well let me commend you for the effort with the humanism concept!

What if i introduce you to a concept that has yielded 100% success regarding PEACE amongst it's subscribers?

You may dislike the idea but it's achieving what no human ideology can ever achieve!

There is a society as in organization formed by humans from all the different races on this planet, they've succeeded in making LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign in their midst to the extent that no matter where they find their members, it's like the person just got home!

I am one of them and i can assure you now that no matter the tribe you may come from, a member of our organization in your village will house me without even knowing me from anywhere, whereas within the same community people living there are scared of the neighbour living next to them!

What is this organisation of peace? I am interested

Queenkofoworola:
1. There are no Contradictions. If you really seek more knowledge you will see that there are no Contradictions.

2. But there are miracles that science can't explain.

3. Ok.

4. So if you were asked about your religion, what will you say?

1. Let me give you a contradiction. If God is omniscient and knows the future, why does he get jealous? The bible says that God is a jealous god. He knows what will happen so why should be be emotional?


2. There are natural things that science cannot explain. Supernatural by definition does not exist.

3. Ok

4. I would say that I am non religious. I dont follow any religion

Lostz:
I am done with you

Thanks. Dont forget to come back when you have acquired honesty and read more about common descent.

You thought that you were going to wear me down with your never-ending repetive questions to somehow prove that only your god/religion knows how life came about.

incogni2o:
What premise made you come you your conclusions and beleifs.

Science, Freethinking, or someone's Philosophy?

I bet you the three can't be mutually exclusive .

Freerhinking and science.

Reading the bible and investigating religions. Seeing how humans work and live.

One can draw many facts from these things.

1. The abrahamic religions all support slavery

2. Secular societies grow faster in knowledge and freedom more than religious ones.

3. There exists no physical evidence for God.

4. Religion does not answer any questions about life and death with logic

Queenkofoworola:
1. how did you become an atheist?
2. If you can't believe in supernatural, how do you explain miracles like SS to AA, hands growing back, and even Juju.
3. If you die, where will you go?
4. How do you survive in the society?
I am Christian and please don't insult me while answering.

1. I became an atheist after leaving christianity and studying Islam. I left both religions because they were both complicit in the enslavement of africans. They also had contradictions in there holy books. They also lack any evidence for their God.

2. All miracles are staged magic tricks. No amputee has ever grown his or her limbs back in a church or shrine.

3. If I die, I do not know what happens next. My educated guess is that I will return to nothing. I assume it would be like before I was born.

4. I survive by keeping my beliefs personal. I survive by working hard. God will not just put money into your pocket.

Lostz:
it is not hard to figure out you don't even know enough of what you want to explain.

maybe we should end it here!

I am an atheist and a humanist . I am not your science teacher.

Lostz:
there has to be a good reason to read. theist don't ask you to read religious book in defense of their faith.

you have to be able to read, understand and explain.......to convince us of atheism

I am not defending my faith. I do not have a faith.

Instead, I am curing your lack of knowledge. If you believe that there is no reason for you to understand evolution and the root of common descent of all life, then I feel that there is no much I can do for you.

Science is not a religion. Neither is atheism a religion of science.

Maximus69:
I love the optimism @ the bolded!

But it's obvious no human society has achieved noteworthy PEACE the way you presented this humanism thing!

All human society have continued to have one dispute or the other and there is little or zero tolerance in all human society till now, so how long do you think this humanism thing will work out noteworthy peace?

You are mistaken, confused and making category errors. Humanism is not a system of government. It only calls for secularism and reason in creating government policies. Secular humanism is a philosophy.

We human beings will always have problems. There is no perfect system of government. The Covid19 virus showed us that, at least.

I never expressed any optimism. If you read my reply, none of my solutions are perfect. I did mention that it would be difficult to implement a solution within a democracy. Are Rwanda and Malaysia perfect countries?

Let's be honest with each other. Thanks

LordReed:
It's part of the dominance the religion seeks. Islam and Christianity would rather be the only religion existing so this type of hypocrisy will show up from time to time.

cc rashduct4luv

Lostz:
is it that you don't know the answer? science can't answer? or you can't explain ?

Kindly, go and read first. Enlighten yourself so that your questions can be precise.

I have given you a fishing rod. I will not give you the fish.

Read about common descent and get back to me.

vedaxcool:
After all this tale you ended up making no sensible point.

God punishes Muslims as well as non Muslims, being a Muslim is not an insulation from reaping what you sow. As Muslims you will prefer being punished for your deeds here on earth than in the hereafter. Do you think the present crop of Muslims are anything to write about when compared to the our predecessors?

Now trying minimize what China is doing to Uigar community clearly shows you have little understanding of the level persecution and cruelty Muslims there face. Muslims are being forced in concentration camps to change their values, Muslims are being forced to drink alcohol, eat pork, being stopped to make the ordinary decision to Fast. The top their evil ways, they force Muslims ladies to marry atheist brides, if you think this sort of persecution is what you should be trivialise with your charitable excercise of propaganda for China then truly ask yourself some pertinent questions! If you could not even sense the irony of people who oppress others from dressing according to the dictate of their conscience being forced forced to adopt the mannerisms of the people they oppress then you clearly don't get it.

When Allah SWT began punishing the people of pharaoh, it started with mundane things till it get severer and severer, Allah always warns people. The Soviet Union did worse today where is it? Rag tag Afghanistan broke it into pieces after their adventurism took their oppression there once again to impose the illogical ways of athiesm which seems to be only accepted widely with the logic of brute.

What you could have done was a speak about gloating over he suffering of others but to do mix of unrelated subject ended up being just a charitable excercise on behalf of a godless regime.

Interesting points.

What you said about china and what they are doing to muslims is true.

But what about Saudi Arabia and atheists?