₦airaland Forum

tatosh:
I always wonder why it is the FG that is always trying to convince WE the people that they've done this and that.

If truly they have done so much are we not the ones supposed to be testifying to this

Because you refuse to see due to reasons best known to you...otherwise how and why can't you see their achievements...?

agabaI23:
Aww! Thanks
Dancing shoki

agabaI23:
Aww! Thanks
Dancing shoki

lols

tomiobj:
. Enof story foor the gods. @ least m nt a bloody thief like him and I'm nt confused. He wants to postpone d elections. Why?
And I asked a simple question? What has he achieved in his ruling years

lolz...sorry bro...you need all the pity possible

agabaI23:
lol you were pulling my legs after all.

Anyway that's cool!

Am already following you, to show you how much I value men who believe in using their brain more than their heart...

kunlenkirol:
friend, it will be greatly appreciated if you point out the tautologies and I will make corrections if I also se it. Except if it is not tautology. Maybe it is another thing you want to call it. I am not proving to know all neither am I saying I am infallible but by my training, if there is any constructive criticism, I will gladly take it and I believe by that, I will become a better person. You talked about me not knowing much difference between economic growth and economic development, I have started reading about the difference which I will take u up on later. I will appreciate your input on this matter.
If u had said my post has typographical error, I will welcome that. Thanks and God bless you.

"I have a question for you, what can a common man term
development, economic growth and qualitative and quantitative development"...

You wrote the above...

1) Now, economic development which is what I believe you mean by "development" is synonymous to qualitative living.

2)Economic growth is synonymous to quantitative growth.

Now, compare these to what you lumped up above and see how much meaning that question has with its contrasting reasons?

agabaI23:
I am not being sentimental sir. Go to this thread where I addressed everything with evidence. After you have finished, come back lets talk

https://www.nairaland.com/2128856/tsunami-lrnzh-responds-promised-agaba123/1#30423726

I would have pasted here for you but it may derail this thread.

I don't post hearsay bud. I am above that because the opponent will label me a liar and I hate that.

Thanks so much for your replies to him and the subsequent discuss...I couldn't have done it any better...you've my respect!!!

tomiobj:
Hee dinnt achieve anything. I can achieve ^56 of wat he he did in 6 years in 1 yr

Submissions of a lazy dreamer...he has gotten to the presidency of a great country like Nigeria. Remind me, any achievement of yours? Can even your kindred consider you fit for its headship?

kunlenkirol:
bro, why didn't you enumerate the tautologies that you claimed were inherent in my post? And also enlighten me the difference between economic growth and economic development. On Sam, he might be a big time manufacturer, he might be a vast pharmacologist but that does not make him right. His company is just a fragment of a whole, you can't either compare him with Soludo who has formulated a workable theory that all and sundry are benefiting. He made a submission, I expect those involve to clear the air.

Read your former post and also, read my reply to you...by then,maybe you will come to understand the mistakes and tautologies in your post...thanks

Swiftboy:
use your glasses,you're myopic.

Maybe blind...

Bobbysworld28:
U still miss the point! Soludo's assertions are not idle talk.
For emphasis, the 'missing' monies also involved revenues not gained and oil lost to militants over 4 yrs. Very plausible.
If u feel ur govt is not answerable to u, change ur mindset.

Fine!!! I get your drift now...but still my first assertion was based on his hypocritical stance of scolding GEJ/NOI of not saving and in same article insulting Peter Obi of saving... Even with the foregoing; can he as well tell us how much we lost or was stolen when militants held us to the ground under OBJ with most of our oil going into the black market in exchange for arms for the militants...alongside other sharp practices(remember OBJ was petroleum minister cum president)...wasn't that loss to us too did soludo just wake up to see the loss now only under GEJ while beatifying their (OBJ) regime??

linusbnn:
Who force you to read? Everything clueless...Nonsense pple can't sit dwn and reason,even think better,all they do is shout clueless....Wic of wat this man wrote is false abi u no dey nigeria?. You never travel wit flight b4,so u dnt knw what has happened in our Airport way rain dey drop inside arrival section..You never use railway b4 na so so keke u dey jump enta,you never knw how efficient youwin can transform yur family lives,ask those that won previously, You no knw abt 12 federal universities, 150 amagiris sch for north,even wit dat there is still troublr dere, abi u no knw how many times dem award Benin-Lagos road?but now,the road na smooth ride,see Abuja-lokoja-benin road still under construction...The only area GEJ has performed poorly is fighting corruption and improving speedily on power,in others,he has tried his best..."Uneasiness lies the head that wears the crown"....Be wise and do not allow pple decieve yu bro...God bless Nigeria

thanks so much....personal hatred and animosity won't allow them to see those at all...

MrEverest:
NOI or FG may not be willing to grant Ezekwesili or Soludo audience for debate, not because they lack facts to counter their propaganda but simply because Soludo/Ezekwesili has little or nothing to loose but everything to gain while FG has everything to loose should they commit a faux pas. Again personality wise, NOI is quite & more civil unlike Ezekwesili who is more firebrand & loud which some Nigerians could possibly misconstrue for articulation of facts! If Ezekwesili is the vice to Buhari or a key member of APC, then NOI should engage her but since she is not, it would be unwise for her to do so.

God bless you for this comment...

watchindelta:
Yes Jonathan has tried in some sectors but on security ummmm corruoption ummmm but some citizens hatred for that guy nah just personal

thanks so much...most of the criticism isn't out patriotism but personal acrimony and hatred...

bushdoc9919
I appreciate your submissions but most of the things you suggested are already being implemented...
Note also, that given the complexity in ajeokuta steel company its revitalization has been a problem. Now, after its privatisation under OBJ and subsequent withdrawal of licence of the owners later on..has led to so many litigations which has stalled any meaningful fit in that sector....
Power is very important bro...I believe we are on the right track in that aspect...there's no shortcut otherwise we may just end up running in a circle...
private companies don't come because of our oil boom rather they look at so many other economic indicators to determine its viability, stability and sustainability...

Omotolu:
...atleast I know that our naira is a mess; cost of living has skyrocketed. Though I did not finish primary school education- I am proud of what I have...

Lolz...bro which cost of living skyrocketed? Have you ever imagined why even with the global oil crisis which affected our currency just like Russia and others too that inflation has remained single digit Alongside other things...Bro, manufacturing sector and agriculture are now contributing substantially to our economy for the first time...It is a process; we are on the right track...The author of this article is a manufacturer and big employer of labour and he's confessing that government intervention in pharmaceutical industry is the first in history...

ooshinibos:
Honestly , i have not seen the impact , having said that , the amount of Money allocated to these power generation project for the past six years have not generated much looking at the MW produced exponetially ,
if i was jonathan adviser , i will heavilyly subsidised portable generation of power via solar panels for family homes , and water windmills power generation...secondly i will looking into those evil people that sell generators that are pulling back the efforts of power generation because of personal interest .. thirdly i will recruit a world major power generation consortium to fix this thing once and for all . like the one dubai and uae govt used ...nigeria biz men are too complex to be involved in electricity generation because too much money is being made by those that sell diesel and generator ....if we will be going in circles

Bro, I love your reasoning unlike so many kids Herr who may not even know or have an alternative to what they are criticising...but note that all you said are happening already; There's some villages in the north close to abuja that was used to test run the solar powered system...those places have light now 24/7....so also the windmill but these things don't just come easy or shortly like that...Google it, it takes like a minimum of 36months(3years) to build a power plant...now do the maths.... The big companies are here already eg general electric(GE)etc....sabotage is something that's too bad. it makes my heart to bleed...imagine spending like 3years using billions to connect a power station with gas plant using underground pipes; only to wake up and see that the pipe has been bombed....so you start afresh again... it is really bad...
And GEJ is doing this alongside training manpower too for the sector so that power stations can be sustained from the pool of engineers he's churning out...

kunlenkirol:
To those castigating Charlse Soludo, I urge you to read his submission objectively. To the PDP goons, you may not be objective because your appetite won't allow. And to Sam something, your enumerations are theoretical. It will sell well in economics text books, and not in reality. I have a question for you, what can a common man term development, economic growth and qualitative and quantitative development. You talked about creating job, what is the yardstick of measuring job creation. I know u will say The National Bureau of Statistics is an authority in that. How has that benefited a common man.
We expected much from this government bearing in mind the promises and advertisements. On Soludo, some are saying he is job hunting, I don't know what you mean by that though, one thing I saw u his article is that It tallies with reality. Let the people concern come out and defend the allegation leveled against them. At lerast Nigerians esp the non economist have the roght to know the crux.
On Gej and Gmb, they are not the messaih, just that one is better off than the other.
My submission, Gej's administration should have done well or better early rather than trying to revive his image. The next election will go a long way in retracting the image of this country if and only if the masses will come out enmasse and vote wisely. And should inec not rig the election in favour of Mr A or General A.

Bro, you are the biased one here. And there are so many tautologies in your post. You need to learn the difference between economic growth and economic development as well...Now, between Soludo who is a classroom economics teacher without any company for practicals and Sam Ohuabunwa, big time manufacturer, economist and real player in the pharmaceutical industry sector; who is not in touch with reality? Is it soludo or Sam Who has real life experience between them? who will you believe his experience more?....open your mind bro...

datribune:
dis is d mistake dat most nigerians make. because it is frm TI, it must be correct no matter how wrong it is. Guy, Transparency international is a wholly corporate funded special interest lobbying group. While they may include professional, dedicated, & immensely sincere people, d sum of their effort is to advance d collective interests of d corporations dat populate d board of directors & fund dem. Bottom line - they ar prone to all sorts of influences. At times they issue misleading propaganda to support a pre-determined narrative. It is worthy of note dat Soludo accused Okonjo-Iweala of forging & manipulating national statistics. dis may or may not be relevant.
However it's nothing short of gullibity to believe a report frm whichever quarters dat seeks to turn logic on its head by saying dat corruption is in decline under dis govt whose guiding belief is dat stealing is not corruption. Think! smh.

Now, answer me; how did you and soludo get your own data since the one quoted in the article is wrong or were you part of the looting crew? since TI is biased...how do you get your own unbiased result...

chidinwachukwu:
Some Nigerians like you like writing plenty assay without making any sense.Why don't you Disprove all those facts he wrote above with your own established Facts gotten from International regulatory Bodies,Instead of attacking his Person.its a Pity you still need a long time to argue maturely

Sorry, it is not my fault that you seem lazy to read long essays and comprehend same...What's the essence of the article by a manufacturer and real player in the economy or didn't you read it?... This is not write ups from classroom heroes like soludo who have the theories but not the experience... What I simply did was to juxtapose this article with the fallacies from soludo....learn to task yourself bro...thanks

anyaikenga:
A manufacturer and real player in the economy has spoken. not a farmer at Ota who could no longer cultivate on his stolen land. Or a Central Bank Governor that his people rejected twice in Anambra.

thank you bro

AreaFada2:
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While being frugal is good in government, a country like Nigeria with decayed or non-existent infrastructure clearly needed & needs investment, upgrade, improvement, whatever.

In criticising GEJ's money management/investment in capital projects, he should have focused on whether we got value for our money. With facts and analogies from all over the world. To condemn the investments in favour of saving is epic fail.

How can one condemn building new Fed universities when some Nigerians are paying huge tuition fees studying in Ghana, some of the schools housed in portakabins?
Or the airports that were falling apart? Or railway?

Failure to invest over 40 years is what prompted GEJ's spending.

Thank you bro...even the kind of .money he's calling is just unimaginable... if you take out half of that 30trillion from Nigerian economy; Nigerian economy will collapse and we will be bankrupt immediately...

Bobbysworld28:
Sorry but u r d biased one here. Let d govt counter him. Soludo has made a lot of sense and a great counter will further enlighten people like moi. I feel he hit the nail on the head too well dt NOI cannot stand it

Bro, I stated mine with proofs so kindly do me the favour of showing me where and how I am biased...More so, NOI is too busy to be engaging with seemingly idle soludo in propaganda...So it is now that soludo just woke up...BTW how much do we make as our country? how much is our budget? if such amount is taken out, Nigerian economy will collapse immediately...it is unfortunate that we only believe whatever makes the government look bad just for parochial interest...silence will do for his like...

Eluwilussit:
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Fictitious great minds. Great minds talk greatly without bias and rancour.

True bro...

datribune:
Story 4 d gods. On d issue of corruption in nigeria, d NGO, Transparency international is wrong. dis govt will go as one of d most corrupt in nigerian history.

lolz...because they didn't say what you wanna hear? Did you join in the looting as to know more than them or how did you get your own data

Do you believe the one that rated Lagos an APC state as the most corrupt state in Nigeria

Omotolu:
GEJ is a disaster. He knocks out Nigerian economy. He is a time-bomb waiting to explode.

What do you know about economy?

hardychris:
I actually slapped somebody today for saying that GEJ is clueless, my question is, is GEJ and your father not of the same age?

lolz...Easy my bro...but it beats me how people insult others and call them saucy names arbitrarily... what happened to our morals?...

uyplus:
GEJ is really that bad to allow Abba Moro still be a serving minister after defrauding jobless youths. He is really that bad to increase his feeding budget from N1bn in 2014 to N4bn in 2015. He is that bad to stay mute when hus wife was indicted in a $13m money laundering case with EFCC. He is really that bad to allow Dieziani use N10bn on private travels. He is really that bad to have spent $30bn on revamping power yet no giant achievements has been made. He is really that bad to have increased our external debts from $26bn to $70bn. He is really that bad to have spent N968bn as security budget yet nothing has been achieved against the fight for insurgency. He is really that bad to have stayed mute on the missing $20bn exposition by the whistle blower, Sanusi Lamido. He is really that bad to be budgeting N2bn to build VP residence while ordinary Nigerians are homeless. He is really that to be spending N10bn on 11 presidential jets, when he should be more prudent to have max of 2. He is really that bad to have allowed $15m to be swept under the carpet in the illegal arm deal at South Africa, where the names of the Nigerians involved are still shrouded in secrecy but the name of the Israeli was exposed. He is really that to have attended the Organization of Islamic Countries meeting when no president in Nigeria has ever attended such. He is really that bad to have stayed mute on the scam $470m cctv contract deal in FCT, yet no surveillance camera is working. He is really that bad to have said stealing is not corruption. He is really that bad to have said "how much did Jim Nwobodo stole, money that can't buy a Peugeot" (why would a sitting president commonise stealing of public funds, even if it's N1, it shouldn't be stolen because it's should be a call to service and not an avenue to redefine comfort). He is really that bad to have allowed to pension scam thief go with a little punishment. He is really that bad to have pardoned ex-convicts like Bode george, and Alameyghsia. He is really that bad to have not even find a major road like the east/west road which connconnects the south south region. He is really that bad to allow an overinflated budget of N117bn for the 1.5km 2nd Niger bridge yet Lagos state government built the 1.3km Lekki-Ikoyi bridge for N29bn. GEJ is really that bad to allow Tompolo own a warship, and Asari and Boyloaf issue war threat, yet they haven't been arrested. He is failure to have used his cohorts to aattempt sweeping the issue of the alleged missing N30tn under the carpet.

Other long forgotten issues are the N150m renovation of the VP lodge, N5bn rehabilitation for commercial sex workers, N7bn to build 2 city gates in FCT, N4bn to build first ladies mission house, and the presidency bought 200exotic cars for that event, where are they cars?

Poverty level in Nigeria has risen from 54% to 71%, youth unemployment from 9% to 50%, recurrent expenditure from 62% to 86%, national debt from $26bn to $70bn, whilst GDP growth has dropped from 11% to 6%, and excess crude account has dropped from $20bn to $2bn, petrol has risen from 65 to 87 temporarily (97), $1 has risen from N158 to N210.Nigerians want change. We demand accountability. We want a government that is ready to fight for the masses.

To hell with GEJ. If you fail to see that he is a failure, I will open your eyes to the obvious. He is a failure, even with 6years of oil boom he failed, now he wants to deceive us that he can perform in 4years in oil doom.

Sorry