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spotit:
we will find you and dash you your 14years imprisonment.

Like I said, old, boring story about judeoxtian brainwashing

Why do you want to 'find' them you pervert? What do you want to see??

what us this striktlimy complaining about? which atheists do you see complaining per say (except the logicboy usual, and those are...)

we may even be careful, justifiably, and complain about our treatment irl, but not here.

however, there's a nice rant about Islam presently on the atheist chat thread. only reason I can think of for the lack of follow up is we're all gaddem tired of their nonsense. i may be wrong, but at least I am.

every time I see a rilwan or lanrex thread I think to myself, 'get in and shut this hipocritical oaf up'. they wouldn't allow this in their section yet here they are. then I think meh, this particular clowns aren't worth the bother. their ogas and chief house slaves though, Mac and tbaba, especially tbaba, come over every once in a while. I do enjoy visiting those, even if its just 'discussing' with the Borg, and they never learn. they have their section, with their own rules, yet here they are. eating cake and then having it.

there is nothing 'jealous' here. one group behaved atrociously, threatening a man, and then got 'rewarded'. others are wondering wtf, and why the continued preference?! why only them always with the special treatment? even balo is having to grow up

it is really, really silly. and, personally, if xtians want their own section. more power to them. it's only fair. others may disagree but meh. and these people aren't even asking for their own section, so this jealousy claims sef....

freethinker01:
the ealier part was just a sacarsm.

Considering the username, I was about to ask 'what's wrong with you??' having only read bits of the opening paragraph

Randomly, wonder if y'all seen this.

Now, as we wind down, and finally (phew, Claymore just ended btw, for fans), here's an analyses on the much hated (very much by me as well) Sasuke. Shamelessly stolen from Reddit

redditor: I think that Sasuke's character doesn't revolve around revenge and trauma but instead more around the search for truth.

Sasuke's entire journey has been about finding out the truth. The truth behind his brother, Konoha, and the ninja system itself. With each part of his journey he searches a greater truth.

At first, it's just about his brother and his clan. Who was behind the massacre? Why did Itachi do what he did?

Then, his focus shifts to the village itself. Knowing why Itachi killed his clan, he began to ask why the village ordered the massacre. Who was behind the order?

After confronting Danzo and saying good bye to Edo-Itachi, his focus changes again. This time, he wants to go even further back. Why is there mistrust of the Uchiha in the first place? He learns about the Konoha founding and Madara and Hashirama's past. He learns what a ninja is and finds the root of the mistrust of the Uchiha (which of course leads to all the problems later down the line).

To finish his journey, Sasuke meets the Sage. There, he learns the true underlying cause behind everything. The clash between Madara and Hashirama isn't the underlying cause behind the problems in Sasuke's life, the conflict between Ashura and Indra is.

In short, his life was the search for truth and the meeting with the Sage was like enlightenment, where he learns the ultimate truth. And to go with this enlightenment, he pretty much gets the eyes of god.

I think there's meaning behind Sasuke being the only non-Edo capable of resisting the Infinite Tsukuyomi.

http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-678-page-15.html

The Infinite Tsukuyomi is a lie and only his eyes are capable of "seeing" the truth. Sasuke's journey (and his search for truth) is what ultimately led him to getting the Rinnegan and only his Rinnegan (and consequently his Susanoo) is capable of keeping people ground in reality.

Simply put, his eyes allow him to see the truth. Look at how he was able to see the Limbo clones that nobody else could.

Extra: Itachi's most famous quotation, directed at Sasuke, was about what truth and reality is. Also, Sasuke, despite being a prodigy, never really showed proficiency at using genjutsu. It failed against Bee (since he's a jinchuuriki) and Danzo commented on how his genjutsu was nothing compared to Itachi's. Instead of putting people under an illusion, Sasuke is good at breaking out of one. See how how broke out Itachi's genjutsu during their fight.

TL;DR: Sasuke's eyes allow him to stay out of the Infinite Tsukuyomi and let him see the Limbo clones. His entire character is about searching for the truth and his current eyes are the physical culmination of his journey. His life and abilities are reflective of this aspect of his character.

Edited for grammar and spelling.

Later on, as for Naruto's role, his response

redditor: Sasuke and Naruto walked away from the Sage with a general boost to their pre-existing abilities plus a new ability. For Sasuke he gains that ability "to see the truth". In my post I explain my reasoning behind that.

For Naruto, the biggest new thing he's done after meeting the Sage was healing Kakashi. So it seems his new ability is to heal people. Which, when you think about it, he's being doing his whole life. What we call talk no jutsu, I'll call healing. He healed people emotionally. Gaara, Nagato, and Obito (are there others?) most notably.

I guess Naruto's entire journey was about healing and just like Sasuke now has a physical manifestation of his journey, so does Naruto. He now has the ability to literally heal people (more than medical ninjutsu can).

Seems like Sasuke had more of an inward journey, trying to have a peace of mind and coming to terms with the massacre by searching for the truth. Whereas Naruto had more of an outward journey, trying to help others just like Iruka helped him at the very beginning.

I'm not really sure to be honest. I feel like Naruto is going to do something more miraculous than giving Kakashi a new eye.

Personally, I think he's giving Kishi too much credit. But if that's what he really intended all along, then he's fairly brilliantly handled it, along with other aspects of the series. In other areas he just sh.at all over his creation wantonly.

Just a share. Also, I don't actually disagree that much with Sasuke's motives/etc atm. His methods, perhaps. But he's now some sort of Lelouche, and like Lelouche, at times some hard choiced need be made.

Madara, almost the same. But his dream world wasn't 'humanity' or what humans are all about, it was something different.

Wonderful excuses. A lot of sense here.

Nigerians have always, and will always, get what we deserve. What a joke...

Simply castrate yourself op. Problem solved

spotit:
lol..what's your idea?

It's a long, often told, rather boring and mundane story. So I'll skip that for now and go endear myself elsewhere

spotit:
lool. it's presumptuous of you to suggest that online posters on mobile have their spellings and syntax in tatters because they're occupied with silliness in their other hand. just because you frequent pron don't mean other people try it...bringing your pron example to it, i consider offensive; barring that, i haven't deemed u that wrong.

No, I'm quite sure they're using the one hand. I've tried doing so before myself and it's pretty darn obvious. Find a single thread, even the short ones, on those sites with proper spelling for instance and prove me wrong.

It's presumptuous to assume I frequent them from those statements (but, if you must know, you're fairly close. Which translates to not much more than average)

And I did not state anywhere that all mobile posters where all watching pron while typing, or that that was the reason for their (sometimes) poor grammar etc, so I'm not sure where you get that from.

What in the world is silly about beating off? Never mind. I has an idea as to why you think so

OlaAjia

I had some scientific questions, but they escape me atm. It is your duty, being one of the few I wouldn't dispute is smarter than I am, to clarify these for me when I do recall them.

Happy Sallah!

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spotit:
hey...it's alright. go away, I've had enough. i thought u had a case, now i see.

Are you allergic to pron? That's so sad....


It's also rather silly that you just finished making a case for substance over style yet suddenly deemed me wrong when a totally unrelated topic, which diminishes nothing I previously stated, is mentioned.

Lemme guess. You still some sort of judeoxtian prude?

spotit:
lol..you'll be completely fooled by some people who type like that...i mean, i can't be bothered with punctuation and syntax on most forums or snws, as long as I'm logged in via mobile..you'll be amazed the rest of the world think like this too. Doesn't take one bit of intelligence away from the poster.

tis a delicate subject

personally like comments on pron sites the best. so obvious they are using just the one hand to type

logicboy01:
Seriously, I'm curious. Are you a Nigerian?

What is the deal with your English?

I was born in the UK

unguan kudu, kadunoh

you really don't have to waste what little brain power you have worrying about it. just stick to your simple, schoolboy logic and point by point approach. its just about enough to get you by

logicboy01:
Sir, are you a Nigerian? You write English as if it is your second language. You are barely coherent with all your misplaced commas and punctuations.



^^^^
for over a year now, I doubt if I have ever completed reading any of your long posts.

don't worry if you don't get them. not meant for you

and I've told you to stop your Sir nonsense

padeolu:
Thanks for the compliment.

I actually think its cool they have a different opinion about the issue. We all can't believe in an hypothesis no matter how evident it may be. Someone has to find faults in it. That's science, it leads to discovery of other stuffs.

As someone once said, you don't win a Nobel prize by following the crowd..

that clown has had his silly glorious Alfa knows better since....likely congenital come to think of it

anyhoo, whilst your point earlier was valid, and wouldn't have required spelling out usually, frankly, as its somewhat obvious and wasn't really being debated, the example was flawed

lots of thinkers through antiquity, I think eben as gar back as Egypt, have known the earth was round. the masses of course, no. some even thought we were on the back of a turtle

not sure about the sun revolving around the earth, but you know, mathematically speaking, you can make that statement stick. though it would be silly and unintuitive.

yeh! true story...

and e be like say dem sack am...

op, please put up in your title the fact he lost his job over this...

wrath of the peaceful people. lol

bolaino: wiegraf, oluwalfa is calling you out, he is saying you are not a true atheist, lol

He does have a point. I do need satan before I can attain perfect atheism

oluwalfa: I remember you crying at the end when I presented you with the star older than your "scientists" age of the universe.
Chai! Scientists can lie o!

If that's how you like to see it, ok.

And of course I know. Scientists don't know better. From the big ba.ng to this, alfa has always been superior.

We're all wrong, atheists included, hence you the special satanist.

ok

oluwalfa: wiegraf accepts anything "scientists" say as the gospel truth. Refuses to use his own head. I would call it the remnants of religious submission to authority in our evolution history which he hasn't gotten rid of.

Is that the impression you get?

Man, that big ba.ng you received seems to still cause some bu.tthurt

KingEbukasBlog: *** in stewie griffin's voice **** oh av gt one already .... so let's see ummm .... what lie mister are you talkin abt?

I do find it a wee bit odd that you keep on hearing stewie's voice though his creator is one of these guys

Indeed, he's even the voice actor. So it's his voice you're hearing....

wirinet: I hate arguing all over the place, while ignoring the prime subject matter. The main subject here is whether human activities is responsible for the change in climate the earth is said to be going through and you are talking about human impact on the environment. All species of animals ( and in fact all living things) on earth has some impact on its immidiate environment (and sometimes distant environment),but to suggest that just one specie can have permanet impact on the whole planet is what i call far feached. And for your information, 99% of all species on earth had gone extinct, even before humans came on the scene.

And once again, no

Fossil fuels alone show one species can have a dramatic impact on the planet. Or do show another species that uses them, and how their depletion is not dramatic.

Also, do tell how impacting the environment does not impact the climate?

For instance, exactly what was responsible for transforming early earths carbon dioxide to oxygen? I seem to recall them stating in biology class it was photosynthesis or something of that nature. And what happens if we get in the way and get rid of the organisms responsible for this photosynthesis?

Or, are you now telling me that the make up of the atmosphere, the balance between the different gases involved, does not have any impact on the climate??

And btw, if you cannot see how all that I stated is relevant, then well....

wirinet: Of course humans have impact (sometimes dramatic)on the ecosystem( around which it operates), but to suggest that impact affect the earth's climate permantly is preposterous.

See above.

And the way some of you speak with such authority against what the very vast majority of the scientific community concurs on frankly baffles me. Not to say the cannot be wrong, but 'preposterous', really?

wirinet: I cannot make sense of your statement above, but if you are talking about humans destroying forests for human habitation, then i can tell you that nature itself often destroys large swaths of forests by itself but it always recovers. Forest fires sometimes burn very large swaths of forests, killing many species and destroying the whole ecosystem. Earthquakes, Tsunamis and volcanic eruptions have devastated whole continents in the past, but the earth recovers and moves on.

So? Because nature does it we should fold our hands or indulge in it as well? We shoudn't try to prevent it? Worse, we should actively indulge in activities that lead to catastrophe? Earthquakes and tsunamis, we really shouldn't even bother with early warning systems or try to prevent them if it is within our means. Illnesses are natural as well, I wonder why we bother looking for vaccines and all. Heck, let's go carnal and eat our young just as many other species in nature do.

This recovery you speak of should not be taken likely, at all. To return to an 'equilibrium' that sustains our lifestyle or life in general from a major disaster usually takes millenia, for instance. Expecting nature to solve our issues, when it obviously doesn't care, is, well...

wirinet: Are you telling me Chenobyl changed the entire earth's climate? Of course not. Chenobyl only affected that tiny part of Russia significantly and even at that, the radioactive effects would have neutralized in a few thousand years. Even Heroshima and Nagasaki is fast recovering from the effect of the atomic bombs droped in 1945.

No, like I stated, it simply remains an example of how drastic humans can change their environments. Something for some reason you seem bent on denying.

Our actions are not insignificant, and we should stop pretending otherwise.

Even the actions of keystone species, as you imply above, are not insignificant, let alone that of the intelligent apex of apex super ape; homo sapiens.

wirinet: Terraforming another planet is just science fantasy (not even science fiction), we do not have the energy or the materials to terraform another planet, we hardly have enough to sustain our planet. We should first terraform Antatica to allow human habitation or terraform the ocean depths to sustain cities before we attempt to terraform mars.

Maybe you think the moon landings were faked as well? I mean, NASA has seriously considered terraforming before, and we all know they are a bunch of clowns...

No one says it would be easy, but certainly no one says it would be impossible. And again, governments do try to change their climates, etc etc.

Most of you accept this micro changes occur, induced by human activity, then deny that macro is possible or happening (and many do have data to back up their claims that it is happening). I wonder about that math. Reminds of some certain folk and a science called evolution

wirinet: I will stop here for now. ( i am tired and need to sleep). We human think too much of ourselves and our importance, we feel and behaves as if the whole earth and the entire universe is made for us. If the conditions on earth changes so drastically that humans die out, the earth would still be trotting on without even noticing our absence.

Thank you kindly for the bolded, captain obvious. But our actions, oh once again, matter to us, even if the earth doesn't care and will continue to revolve.

wirinet: Let me deflate some egos;
71% of the earth's surface is water while the entire land mass is only 29%. Of that 29% humans occupy less than 1% of that area. Of the remaining 28% about 40% is pure wilderness. 14% is true desert and 15% has desert like characteristics. 9% is Antarctica. Most of the remaining 22% are agricultural areas. There may be other areas with a human footprint of some kind. So there is little we can do on the less than 1% that can have permanent damage on the remaining 99% of the earth's surface

This logic na wa. I see. Biomass-wise we're also insignificant, but where are we on the food chain? Just how much of an influence do we have on other life?

See fossil fuels, again. And I hope to 'god' I don't have to explain why

The way you guys think this is about egos is frankly silly. I mean, the scientific society in general, do you really believe they think this universe was custom made just for us??

I would think it much more arrogant to assume we can just do as we please and the universe will work itself out in our favour. Just as if it was special custom made for special us.

padeolu: By climate change, we are talking of global climate. The case of dubai, is quite different, its just a portion of the global climate && any changes or alteration in it maybe be good for the ambient, but the consequence will be felt else where. Its live having 10 balls in a closed box, you can tilt the box to whichever angle you won't, that won't reduce the numbers of balls in the box. What will change is the numbers in a particular location. (substitute balls for heat)

So you mean to say the overall trajectory would not get impacted?

I very highly doubt that, for a variety of reasons (some already stated), but I'll just leave it at that for now.

Kudoos

oluwalfa: Does fire have alternative?

Oh, there were always options. Better options. History is full of anecdotes of civilisations that stagnated after discovering one new thing and then depending on it. One of the most known is the chinese discovery of ceramic pottery which hindered their advance in medicine compared to the west that advanced and overtook china with the discovery of glass, thus being able to observe things via test tubes.

Even fossil fuel is not bad. We just misuse it.

Name them. Show the test tube another civilization could have used in its infancy to industrialize the way we (or particularly the west) have.

Some discoveries have been critical, the engine and fossil fuels being one of them. The Greek, for instance, do you know what the test tube likely was in their case? Fossil fuels. They probably fell in love with carts and slaves a bit too much.

Their inablility to harness that power is up there with the likes of a printing press to disseminate info widely, guns, etc.

oluwalfa: You like putting words in people's mouths.
If you think earth/nature cares for us humans, you got another think coming.
we are constantly adapting to our climate and whatever nature throws at us. Earth, like its inhabitants, is evolving. We should care about how we affect our lives. Caring about how we affect earth is just arrogant humans thinking they affect earth. They don't. If the world freezes, we die. Earth will carry on rotating.

Err, no. You speak like the earth has a motive one minute the next you're claiming otherwise. Eg, you claim the earth here is evolving, like its inhabitants. It is evolving obviously, but not like its inhabitants. I believe I don't have to clear that up, yes?

Call it splitting hairs perhaps, but if you're not clear, that's your fault not mine.

As for the bolded, well....

I mean, for starters, we should care about how we affect our lives without caring about how we affect the earth. Exactly how does that work?

Round and round we go..

oluwalfa: Have you considered that the discovery of fossil fuel may have actually hindered our development. That without this discovery, we may have been more technologically advanced today than we are?

For a civilisation surrounded by energy, we are way too backwards to be burning up our planet for energy.

No. That's almost as bad as assuming we'd have found something more useful than fire to burn stuff. It was readily available, easy to use, etc etc. There weren't any other options that would have achieved so much in so little time, especially with science/tech of the time. And we needed those fuels to power the civilizations that discovered these new sciences. Feel free to prove me wrong though.

Where I'd agree is with the obvious; we've obviously passed the stage, technologically speaking, where we still need to rely on these fuels. We're now just being lazy (and a few greedy) and refuse to move on to alternatives due to this convenience.

oluwalfa: Our actions are not insignificant to us. Au contraire!
Like I said before, we are harming ourselves.
The funny thing is that we are claiming to be harming earth. If earth were conscious, it would be laughing at us. If only you can imagine what this earth has gone through in billions of years, you'll realise that our actions don't bother it.
I ask you again: do you remember the ozone layer scare? Was earth affected? They told us it is irreparable and we are all going to die and earth will burn up and et cetera. Earth just laughed and covered itself. We humans are the ones burning today.
Stop saying you are harming earth when you are only harming yourself.

If your concern is people who anthropomorphize stuff, and speak like mother nature has a special plan for special us, that's another issue. I do feel your pain, though you somewhat sound like one atm, with the ozone repairing itself just for us....

I believe it's clear, and has been mentioned repeatedly, that we're discussing how the climate affects us measly humans (and other life on our rock). Now, are you saying we shouldn't care because the earth isn't conscious?

musKeeto: Guess all our 'work' is beginning to pay off. There might be hope afterall.

Maybe even inadvertently, but slowly but surely. A balance is inevitable. There will always be religious, but there should be a hell of a lot more skeptics than what's currently available.

You can fool some of the people all of the time.....

Yours is particularly good 'work' btw

padeolu: they won't be needing it. The fossil fuels became important to us because it exist. If we hadn't discovered it (or it wasn't available), we would have found an alternative way.

You sure, as only alternative I can come up with is steam. And you don't exactly expect steam powered cars to take you very far. They also still require heat, usually provided by coal.

Those fossil fuels have been fundamentally critical to our development. As an example, imagine if the Greek had that technology.

We would never have reached this scale, particularly in such a time frame, without them. And there are no readily available substitutes to a nascent civilization, but of course feel free to prove me wrong.

padeolu: "for now" in that context meant this climate century, as it is difficult to assume/predict what could possibly happen thereafter.

Its a known fact that an increase in Planetary Boundary Layer's (PBL) concentration of GHG can lead to increased surface temperature as a result of the GHGs ability to trap && re-emit long wave radiation (heat). But in this context, what we are bothered about is the effect of the difference between the amount/quantity of GHGs we emit && the amount that is naturally available in the atmosphere.

The truth is, data from the last decade shows "global cooling" as against "warming" that is widely published.
Note that, these GHGs are naturally available in the atmosphere, they help in maintaining energy(heat) balance in the atmosphere.



No, its not contradictory. I've a skeptical view on Anthropologenic climate change/Global warming doesn't mean am a skeptic of other human induced environmental issue.

Yes, that's correct. But our CO2 is not the cause of climate change.

as for climate change, we need not to do anything. Its natural. We can't stop it. We can only adapt.


Yes there is solid water on Mars, but, how abundant is it? Can life survive in such solid water?

Heat up Mars? How? With what? NASA is a joke.

Yes, human activities can && has indeed affected the ecosystem, but not to the extent of climate change.


No, that's not the logic. Please see the first youtube video I posted. Eg, if you have a weather temp of 100degC today && prolly a -100degC tomorrow. The average which is 0degC is the climate (I just used that as an example, a climate is 30yrs or more). Plus, climate isn't just about temperature.

I think they are already working on their climate. Its feasible && thank God they are rich enough to foot the bill. But the impact of this action will be felt else where.

My point exactly, leave the climate && let it do its thing.

I am also skeptic of man ever leaving earth. We've sent robots, but not man.

truly it is. But that is science. You don't have to go with the general believe.

Please view this link...
http://go-galt.org/climategate.html




"Most of the global warming since the mid-20th century is very likely due to human activities."

"They" are not sure. Please see the link I posted above. The climate is changing and we are not the cause.


I think they found the crater somewhere in Mexico. (Chicxulub crater).


Yes, in order to develop, we must pollute. But then, we should pollute wisely. Not necessary because of the environment, but because of us.



lol..


In short, the climate is changing, but we are not to be blame for it. The environment (land, air && water) are getting degraded, blame that on human.

You'll have to excuse for now abeg. Too much, not enough time, and I'll be repeating myself. Obviously I still find your stance untenable, but I'll just add to this

davien: Correct me if i'm wrong but what i understand you saying from all you've said so far is....
lets all relax.....drink koolade and not worry about our careless use of essential eco-system dependent resources.... it'll all balance out

Doesn't matter if we cut more trees than we grow...
Doesn't matter that we mine the earth for coal deposited by millennia of plant fauna...
Doesn't matter that in china where coal is most often mined has high toxicity levels and is among the top polluted countries....
Doesn't matter that the polar ice caps are melting...
Nature is a cycle.....it'll heal

that you state the above while acknowledging that we can and do indeed change the climate, eg Dubai? Not just that, you also accept that the impact of their efforts will be felt elsewhere?

Also, NASA is not a joke. And do you really believe the moon landings were staged....

Anyhoo

oluwalfa: Yes it doesn't matter to earth.

If another specie can attain intelligence in our destroyed earth, then other species may have and would attain intelligence in some of the trillions of earth-like planets out there, making us even more insignificant.

This is Alfa speaking so you may know that I'm no creationist.

Mother nature doesn't care as it isn't conscious, obviously. However, you still haven't told me how our actions are insignificant, especially to us, but also including all life that we know of.