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Christianity EtcRe: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by wiegraf: 12:12am On Nov 28, 2013
MonsieurCoder: Chatted with a guy on facebook today and he admitted that this section has deconverted him from christianity. He is in the skeptic/Agnostic path now. The ministry is moving grin grin grin
I do know a few new ids that are old ids, and I'm surely not the only one that knows a few of these.

For the most part we don't really do much, you can't force someone to believe in something (except of course, brainwashing...). So when people formerly ignorant are confronted with stuff they were unaware of the rest comes naturally, inevitably. That's not even why I'm here most of the time, I simply want them to keep their nonsense out of government, and you need to tackle their beliefs in order to do that
Christianity EtcRe: The Evolution Of Morality by wiegraf: 11:59pm On Nov 27, 2013
Deep Sight: Oh lord.. I have editted a post above again instead of doing a new post. This always happens when using the damn phone. Will correct 2mmoro. Later folks. Be good.
huh

Really brave

Take your sweet, good time. And get that mirror
Christianity EtcRe: The Evolution Of Morality by wiegraf: 11:37pm On Nov 27, 2013
Deep Sight: Lol. Scaredy catty.

You know the simple child like question whoops all your drivel to shreds.
I've already addressed this, many times. I likely wouldn't, but again, just my subjective stance. I hope you aren't a mo.ron that requires I repeat myself, explaining something so simple over and over and over......

Now you, brave one, address this

me: Ok, so god being a member of another species has a different set of values. He decides we failed to achieve his objectives, and proceeds to flood the earth killing everyone save the most sheepish, slavish follower he could find. Genocide, at least of our species. Are you now saying that god's actions are objectively, universally good?

You do realize we humans do exactly the same thing, all the time, to other species?? And it is clearly unavoidable.
Christianity EtcRe: The Evolution Of Morality by wiegraf: 11:30pm On Nov 27, 2013
Glad to see you all talking about opinions

Well done, you're beginning to get it
Christianity EtcRe: The Evolution Of Morality by wiegraf: 10:54pm On Nov 27, 2013
Joshthefirst: ^^^

Would you condemn your son if he murders someone and rape.s? Because there is nothing intrinsically wrong with any moral position?
Do you actually think you've tossed some sort of curve ball with this nonsense?

Are you asking for my opinion?
Christianity EtcRe: Atheist Have Mental And Health Problems Than Xtians by wiegraf: 10:49pm On Nov 27, 2013
onyfrank: All atheists believe in
evolution, which means
they don't believe in
morality and think we
should all act like
animals.
When I first read that, I thought it was the other frank being sarcastic.

Then it dawned on me..
Christianity EtcRe: The Evolution Of Morality by wiegraf: 10:39pm On Nov 27, 2013
Deep Sight: You should even ask yourself about the question - whose subjectivity within the society?

In Saudi Arabia, whose subjectivity imposes effective gender aparthied on women.

Are the women in the minority, even, and how does that change things. Since your position is that might is right, the gender apartheid in Saudi, is, according to you, right, notwithstanding whose subjectivity is imposing it.
erm, this has already been addressed. Again, the stronger will(s). Simple. Regardless of whatever colorful big grama you may want to spin, no matter how you wrap your diarrhea in chocolate wrappings, it still remains $hit. This is an obvious truth. You're simply doing what millions have done before, claim 'god' is on their side and use that to impose your will on others. Perhaps you should start writing your bible and telling us how homosexuality is evil because you think pipis should only be stuck in vagoos? Same $hit.

And again, there is absolutely nothing intrinsically wrong with any position morally (bolded, just in case you think I'm stuttering, as you seem bent or repeating this ad nauseam). Doesn't mean I have to support all positions though as I do have my own will, see?


Deep Sight: Your world view on this matter, with due respect, is a veritable cascade of pitiful, lamentable, perverse, and even morally bankrupt contradictions which evince a wholesale lack of ethics or ethical consideration whatsoever
As for contradictions, you really need to get that mirror. You do know if it were objective we wouldn't even be having this discussion. You'd just show me your x*y=xy and anyone anywhere in the universe would simply confirm it, yes? Your morality is objective yet it relies on what people feel? Or is it what the collective feels, and you call that objective?? What is wrong with you? Do tell who decides what these objective moral set is for us all then?? Not to mention, you seem to think the universe revolves around us humans... Or is it skydaddy and humans?

Ok, so god being a member of another species has a different set of values. He decides we failed to achieve his objectives, and proceeds to flood the earth killing everyone save the most sheepish, slavish follower he could find. Genocide, at least of our species. Are you now saying that god's actions are objectively, universally good?

You do realize we humans do exactly the same thing, all the time, to other species?? And it is clearly unavoidable.

You of the holier than thou, put a lid on it. It's silly. As for my "lack of ethics" etc, that's your subjective opinion, see?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Am I Poor?? by wiegraf: 8:52pm On Nov 27, 2013
Joshthefirst: maybe you should have told him this earlier instead of trying to link everything to your harsh sarcasm?
Do you know what sarcasm is genius?

^sarcasm, see?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Am I Poor?? by wiegraf: 8:41pm On Nov 27, 2013
YcBeat: .........still hopeful........thanks
No op, that was nonsense. I was simply telling you what you wanted to hear, in exchange I could have asked for tithes or something similar.

No gods anywhere, can't see anyone around. Keep doing what you do, work harder than the next guys, keep your eyes open, etc, and it might work out. Sadly though, in this universe there's no absolute way of guaranteeing success. You can simply increase the odds with hardwork and brains. There's no magic except that.

Good luck.
Christianity EtcRe: The Evolution Of Morality by wiegraf: 8:33pm On Nov 27, 2013
A society's moral code is in no way absolute or objective, it's simply that society's subjective code. S-i-m-p-l-e

Just making that clear
Christianity EtcRe: Why Am I Poor?? by wiegraf: 3:37pm On Nov 27, 2013
Op, don't you have faith in God? Don't worry He has a plan for everyone and everything. All this suffering you may be enduring, all the chaos around you, can you not see the signs in your life of changes? Look well and I'm sure you will see them, little miracles everywhere.

So have faith, keep working hard e tc, and God's plan for you will succeed
Christianity EtcRe: Atheist Have Mental And Health Problems Than Xtians by wiegraf: 2:05pm On Nov 27, 2013
rationalmind: Another thought provoking, intellectual write up from the most intelligent theist on nairaland.
Josh certainly has something to say about that
Christianity EtcRe: Yahweh And Freewill by wiegraf(op): 8:05pm On Nov 26, 2013
Image123: Can God feed more than 5000 people with a small lad's five loaves? Can God produce rivers of water from a stone? i thought Ihe alreeady answered something along this lines? Should God be a slave?
So, that's a yes?
Nairaland GeneralRe: Happy Birthday Striktlymi!! :D by wiegraf: 8:03pm On Nov 26, 2013
striktlymi: Oga wieg....tuwale sir.


You were the first Atheist I debated with when I 'joined' the Religion section and my impression of you is yet to change....you are smart!
Smart only with a few tasks, overall I still remain an a$$ mostly. Just a few days earlier and we'd be birthday mates btw. Us early saggis are the chosen ones. May you have many more ever so politely iconoclastic years to come.
Christianity EtcRe: All Atheists, Agnostics And Pagans. Let's Discuss Ince.st. by wiegraf: 7:58pm On Nov 26, 2013
NativeBoy: I will not respond to any other parts of your post in respect of the OPs wishes. I will only answer your direct question pertaining to societies where incest is common. Look up the Appalachians in America. Also called Hillbillies.
That's the only 'direct' question you noticed? Bros, you already opened that can of worms, don't cop-out now. Besides, thread is dead, this is mostly my childishness harassing your silliness at the moment. So please, indulge.

As for hillbillies, really? You note how the oyinbo man typically holds them up as the bastion of all that is good and beautiful about the west, yes?
Christianity EtcRe: The Cowardice Of Atheism by wiegraf: 7:54pm On Nov 26, 2013
DAVID!!

I can't help but note that you have so bravely avoided defending your beliefs against us cowardly atheists for the last few pages, while barking your typical illogical nonsense. But that's not what brings me here, kind polite ser, I would like your opinion on this thread, if you will. You approve of the science, no?

In before you ignore me because I may have been 'rude' to you before. Really??! lol...
Christianity EtcRe: All Atheists, Agnostics And Pagans. Let's Discuss Ince.st. by wiegraf: 4:40am On Nov 26, 2013
aManFromMars: link

First I've heard of the Ptolemic family. I taya for weigraf sometimes sha.. grin
Humans, we greedy martian. Even genes we do not want to share...
Christianity EtcRe: All Atheists, Agnostics And Pagans. Let's Discuss Ince.st. by wiegraf: 4:36am On Nov 26, 2013
NativeBoy: To respect the OPs wishes, I will stay out if this thread, but I would not let macof get away with his comment. It is a fundamental error some make. Just because something is documented in the bible doesn't mean it is endorsed by God.

That's all I have to say. Please continue this thread. I'm curious to know what conclusions will be reached knowing that some of you are abroad and others are in Nigeria. Will it be that some will accept homosexuality, incest, etc since they live in the west and thereby whatever the white man espouses must be good for us all and we backward africans must espouse as well.
You should have done that rather than clown around, as I've not heard of this oyinbo communities that endorse incest. Also, please show how the often portrayed as blue eyed yet Jewish but definitely white Jesus was the god of your ancestors.

And I've not been abroad for quite some time, though true, I do admire bits of their culture. Actually, I admire bits from any and every culture, as I don't look at skin color. That's really foo.lish
Christianity EtcRe: All Atheists, Agnostics And Pagans. Let's Discuss Ince.st. by wiegraf: 4:26am On Nov 26, 2013
Logicboy03: Guy, how the hell am I supposed to answer dat tongue


Why not explain why they are not solid points?
The fear, lb, is that I'll have to endure more 'solid' points if we continue.

Anyways, first off, are you saying it's impossible to respect your opponent, let alone someone you're indifferent to? Really?

Next 2 != 4, true, but where did anybody state they were? What was stated is they're both even numbers, and the laws should be applied for all even numbers, simple.

The only case for criminalizing it has already been dealt with; the genetic issues. Again, those ate not guaranteed, see the Ptolemy family for instance, or the various pedo dads caught every once in a while. I believe Cleopatra was even hawt. So even with direct incest peoblems dont tend to show up immediately. See small island
Communities or even slightly bigger eg Iceland, for less direct cases. Or dog breeds, not all ate unhealthy, no? After they reach a certain mass even the unhealthy breeds lose many of the issues, but they have to get to that mass first.

So, again, consistency. Are you also going to prevent say sicklers from having kids? Or what of those that breed like rabbits irresponsibly? Do we go the way of China (they won't arrest you there sef, they'll tax you heavily though). Bottom line is who now draws the line dictating the kind of children you're allowed to birth? At the extreme levels, do we ban dwarfs or even black man? Some think us inferior, no?

We don't treat human beings like tools and afford them certain rights when we can for various reasons, mostly our value system. We also (generally) try to be fair and consistent.

Note, I personally would support punishing irresponsible parenting in general, but that's another issue. Unhealthy dog breeds sef I'd push for a ban, as I don't see why bring in a being in pain just for mostly entertainment purposes.

Mobile browser is a chore to use, so I'll leave it at that, for now. And really, it should be just enough.
Christianity EtcRe: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by wiegraf: 4:21pm On Nov 25, 2013
MonsieurCoder: So you believe dinosaurs existed?
grin
Christianity EtcRe: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by wiegraf: 4:00pm On Nov 25, 2013
Christianity EtcRe: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by wiegraf: 3:44pm On Nov 25, 2013
Joshthefirst: prescence of conscience. Prescence of visible creation.
This is what deep sight causes with his shenanigans. Sad part is any potential minions with any sort of functional brain can spot the folly from a long, long way off. You have to be particularly stoopid to not spot it. Even an onyfrank would be slightly weary. Only the finest eediots take it to heart, then engage thinking they now have a 'point'. We're therefore left with having to deal with the likes of josh while that troll drinks stout somewhere...
Nairaland GeneralRe: Happy Birthday Striktlymi!! :D by wiegraf: 3:02pm On Nov 25, 2013
Happy buhday!!
Christianity EtcRe: If I Were God. by wiegraf: 2:56pm On Nov 25, 2013
I'd tell them to stone to death anyone that ate swine or shellfish though. That $hit is nasty
Christianity EtcRe: If I Were God. by wiegraf: 2:54pm On Nov 25, 2013
I wouldn't tell people to boil their water. Nothing wrong with drinking dirty untreated water. Just don't annoy the spirits
Christianity EtcRe: All Atheists, Agnostics And Pagans. Let's Discuss Ince.st. by wiegraf: 2:48pm On Nov 25, 2013
Logicboy03: How silly. I never argued that because he is an atheist he must believe something...


I made two solid points

1. You cant bé inddiferent to gay marriage then respect communities that dislike gay marriage. Contradiction.

2. There is a difference between inbreeding and homosexuality.


So so simple.
Lb, in what logical framework are these 'solid points'?
Christianity EtcRe: Yahweh And Freewill by wiegraf(op): 2:44pm On Nov 25, 2013
Image123: i actually do not understand your question. If you are asking if God is reasonable, then yes. If you are asking if God is a slave of reason, then no.
Bros, logic 101, you can't be reasonable without being a 'slave' to reason to reason. This is really simple.

OK, can god make 1+1=3, yes or no pls?
Christianity EtcRe: Hell Fire: The Most Repulsive Concept In The Bible by wiegraf: 2:40pm On Nov 25, 2013
aManFromMars: My grandmom has been flogging her 50 yr old son for stealing a piece of meat in 1982.


This is the nonsense some believe.

I prefer the Old Testament a god, he dealt with vagabonds there and then. Jesus' papa for New Testament just dey lick mango dey wait to throw people for everlasting fire. And they will be kept alive in Hell by his grace. Amen. Hallelujah. What a loving God.


And people go dey complain of Hitler.
And there's no moral relativity, they said
Christianity EtcRe: The Evolution Of Morality by wiegraf: 3:48pm On Nov 24, 2013
Deep Sight: Ohhhhh! I see now! That's actually exactly what happened!

And yes, I was trying to quote myself there - to re-emphasize the point about those things happening at close quarters - which is why I then wrote about my close-quarters experience of last year after quoting myself. . .

Thanks for spotting the error. . . you see? Don't always assume one to be deliberately "lying" or obscuring anything. . . .

I want to ope a new thread over this subjectivity issue and ask some straight questions. . . . when I find the energy.
No vex a beg, I was too hasty with that. Similar folly has actually led to wars.....

And disaster has been averted using similar tricks actually... See JFK

Ah yes, this is random nonsense

Looking forward to the thread
Christianity EtcRe: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by wiegraf: 3:41pm On Nov 24, 2013
This thread, I approve

Ihe, your folly still demands attention

I don't guns or even knives, my words should be more than enough

Hyar4rrr4ttrtrrrr
Christianity EtcRe: All Atheists, Agnostics And Pagans. Let's Discuss Ince.st. by wiegraf: 6:50am On Nov 24, 2013
Logicboy03: Some atheists are truly funny.....you are indifferent towards gay marriage but then you would respect a community that opposes it.

Nonsense.


Some atheists here cant even differentiate btween homosexuality and inbreeding.

One carries the risk of deformed offsprings and the other doesnt.

One shows a laziness to find romance outside his or her family.


Btw, i have already mentioned that incest should not bé a jailable offense. At worst, some counselling but that doesnt solve much
Contrary to whatever silly ideas you have in your head, we are not a religion, cult or whatever, so I fail to see where the problem is with differences of opinion. One simple thing binds us. Posting as if there's some doctrine we're supposed to follow.

Adults want to stick pipis in each other, lazy or otherwise, how's that you business again? Risks of inbreeding do not show up until generations pass, and even if. Ask cleopatra or any small secluded island population (though other things could come into play in this situation). Not to mention, do we treat people like tools now? Here to make only babies you find acceptable? Gays can't even make babies, so what exactly is your problem? Anal sex is also more likely to lead to AIDS, see? Let's get rid of them as well.

This is another one of those cases where you don't give a $hit as it does not personally affect you, or it impacts whatever agenda you have negatively. Not cool
Christianity EtcRe: All Atheists, Agnostics And Pagans. Let's Discuss Ince.st. by wiegraf: 12:02am On Nov 24, 2013
Uyi Iredia: Okay. So we let adult males stick their sticks down your black ar$€. Then we let em stick it through, I dunno, your mouth. Then they have another random with some folks they see on the street irregardless of age, gender or $€x. Cool cool




And why in the whargabl did that have to warf of your wang.



Moreso, when compared to racism and interracial marriage.
Goot, goot. This is more like uyi I know. The embodiment of senselessness.

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