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Christianity Etc › Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : Do We Receive Mansions In Heaven? Errmmm by winner01(m): 11:54am On Feb 19, 2016*

dalaman:
Atheism will be a senseless worldview the day you allow the God you talk about to speak for itself. Aren't you ashamed that a failure like you is defending an all powerful God that can not even say hi on it's own? The bible is the work of men, that is the reality. You have no other God apart from the dead men that wrote the bible, that is why you have to defend the ideas they wrote down about this fictitious and imaginary God they wrote about, you really believe that if the biblical God is real and alive as described, he will depend on a failure like you to ever defend or make his case for him? How can a failure like you defend an all powerful being that created the universe and is alive? Unless if that being only exist in your head, which is the truth of the matter.

No, atheism is already a senseless worldview and it has made you senseless. No one defends God, I dont and never will. But i will keep pointing out how senseless you are. You want God to reply, talk to Him. You cant make unintelligent claims about people and expect sane people to let it pass and then later claim that you were talking to God and He should reply. Cry all you want, whenever you display stupidity, i will tell you how stup!d you are.

dalaman:
The animals are your God(the people who wrote down the bible). They killed each other and even killed their kids, they enslaved each other and told themselves to sell their daughters into slavery, Your God(The writers of the bible) are the animals you are talking about because everything you accuse animals of doing they did and advocated inside the bible, from rape, to stealing and land garbing, to slavery, to genocide, to everything including the killing of babies. They happily wrote about it inside the bible. They are definitely the animals you are talking about.
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You are an accidental animal, the product of a chaotic explosion. You cant expect other animals like you to live their lives according to governmental laws forced on them through animals that lived earlier.
Try all you want, you have chosen to be an animal, and that is exactly what you get.

dalaman:
Because all the scholars that looked at it agree, even some bible translations admit it and write it down.

"The earliest and most reliable manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have John 7:53--8:11." That is, the earliest Greek manuscripts, the earliest translations and the earliest church fathers all lack reference to this story.

Show evidence like the ones you request from christians. All the scholars? can you give their names and locations? and the bible translations too. You are a confused fellow that does the same thing you accuse people for.

dalaman:
You believe you were created because some guys who thought the earth came into existence before the sun and stars said some creative idea they imagined created man from mud and woman from his ribs. Well done, you really know that you were created.
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Yes i do know that i was created. Why do you consistently want me not to know with you? You seem to have a full knowledge of what you dont know and you defend it like your life. If that is not senseless, i dont know what is.

dalaman:
It's a simple question. are Christians the best moral human beings? You claim that Jesus was a perfect human being, so christians are those that strive to be like him better human beings like others? Muslims also claim that Mohammed was the best of all human beings, you are not the only ones making such empty claims.
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You waste your time asking me questions. The quran records Jesus as sinless and the giver of life, and records mohammed as imperfect. Chew that.

dalaman:
You accused the other people of doing exactly what your own own prophets did. How shameful.

Salvation for them by telling them not to marry other people because they worshiped other Gods?
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Read my previous replies, you'll find your answers.

Salvation for them by offering them eternal life. Your interpretation, your headache.

dalaman:
I am putting it to you that you are a christian only because you were born into the religion, that is why it makes sense to you and not to a muslim , a Hindu or a Buddhist for example. If you were born into a muslim family you will be defending Islam. That is the fact, your empty assertions about poverty and other thrash talk has no basis in reality. The reality is that you are a christian only because you were born and indoctrinated into the religion.
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Go put it to your indoctrinators first to relieve yourself of this hurt and hatred. Keep reading my analogy everyday, you will understand someday

dalaman:
It's obvious that you do not know what you are saying. Your own God does the same thing you accuse Allah of doing. He has already condemed unbelievers for not believing in Jesus.

"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son". John 3:18
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I can provide educational books for students, and warn them that whoever does not read them will fail. Ive not condemned anyone, ive only given a warning.
On the other hand, i can decide to fail light skinned students because they are not as dark as i am. There's pretty little they can do about that.

You are a confused kid who knows little, its why i give you analogies. Make sense of them.

dalaman:
The bible is false and I quote it to buttress my point.
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Its funny an ancient book still makes you look stup!d. Well, I dont quote the shruti everyday of my life, as a matter of fact i will be insane to have sleepless nights because of the shruti. You're so worried.

dalaman:
You didn't prove anything. Hitler had theistic ideas, in fact he got his inspiration from mass murders like Moses and Joshua in the bible. If the biblical stories are to believed , then mass murders, land grabbers and ethnic cleaners like Moses and Joshua were his source of inspiration.
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I proved it, and people can see that. I gave his opinions on christianity.
You on the other hand are making unfounded claims. If you become a badass like hitler today, people like johnydon22 will still deny you and argue that you were born into christianity and for that reason, you are a christian. You are no better atheist than Hitler was.

dalaman:
Just tell me what a mind is and I will describe it with pictorial proof to you. The demons you are talking about remain fictitious characters that only exist in your head.

You go te. Ive made myself clear. Clear the air with your answers.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : Do We Receive Mansions In Heaven? Errmmm by winner01(m): 11:52am On Feb 19, 2016*

dalaman:
But he has already condemned those that do not believe in Jesus.

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.John 3:18

No kid, this is a serious warning. I can take you to the park where your fellow animals are and tell you "Dullard, you move close to the lion, you're dead meat. Its not like you are dead already (condemned), but your actions may have grave consequences. However, you can choose or decide to stay far from the lion while you are still alive. Its why the Ecclesiastes 9:4 says "When there is life, there is still hope". Not for christians alone but for humanity.

dalaman:
Eternal damnation is a sadistic concept that shows how vile and immoral you and the people that wrote the bible are,so many christians are running away from that concept because of how sadistic and barbaric it is. Tell me what will your children do to you that will make you burn them for a week?

There will be little you can do if your child is bent on committing suicide. Hell was not created for man, but man can decide what he wants. That why we aren't robots, we have free-will. Eternal damnation is the consequence of mans action. No human is forced to it.
Then, you cant even tell me what is immoral or not, except you are still dwelling on borrowed morality. No man has the right to force another to live according to his principles, not even the men in government. The earlier you realize that you've been brainwashed, the better for you.

dalaman:
Some bible translations have admitted that the story was made up. I notice that you always refer to gotquestion.org as a source for christians to who need clearifications on christian issues, it funny how you are now throwing them under the bus on this issue

No, I refer people to ucg.org, gotquestions is also fabulous, no doubt. However im requesting for your proof, and its not going to be the same christian sites you reject. I want names, locations, dates, pictures. You know.

dalaman:
I am not admitting anything. You said that America was founded on christian values and I told you to name the christian value the nation was founded upon, you have refused to do that because non exist. America was founded on the principle of separation of church and state, freedom of speech and expression, slavery, wild gun culture, land grab and secularism. Name the christian values that the US was founded upon.

“The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” - President Adam 1797

You admitted, people can see that. America was founded by christian founders on christian principles. You cant put your words in my mouth.
I will take you serious when you start to give proof for the crap you say.

Its clear how desperate and mischievous you are. You even went further to truncate the rest of the quote.

“As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

This was clearly an open-minded speech in defence of the openness and fairness of his country. I will say the same for Nigeria if i was president.

I see you clearly missed this ones by the same president.

[b]The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.
– John Adams

The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.
– John Adams
*Further confirming my stand*

The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.
– John Adams

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
– John Adams

I have examined all religions, and the result is that the Bible is the best book in the world.
– John Adams

The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity.
– John Adams

[The Fourth of July] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.
– John Adams

As the safety and prosperity of nations ultimately and essentially depend on the protection and the blessing of Almighty God, and the national acknowledgment of this truth is not only an indispensable duty which the people owe to Him.
– John Adams

We recognize no sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus.
– John Adams and John Hancock

Even his wife, Abigail Adams

“The Scriptures tell us righteousness exalteth a Nation.”
– Abigail Adams[/b]

We know where U.S is today, So what are you saying? undecided

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Christianity Etc › Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : Do We Receive Mansions In Heaven? Errmmm by winner01(m): 2:03am On Feb 19, 2016

dalaman:
Governmental laws indeed. God is love how? Your God commands you to love your neighbors but the same God can not love people that do not believe in him, what a loving God.

Keep crying. Dont forget to "Love your neighbour as yourself", He died for the sins of all, not for christians.

dalaman:
What does the passage mean other than do not mix up with unbelievers?.

When you answer my questions posted to you on the issue of the yoke sincerely, you will get your answers.

dalaman:
It has nothing to do with accountability, thugs and societal rejects also do not want to be threatened that they will be tortured if they fail to conform to a certain life style. Telling a child he will fail is not the same as telling a person that he will be tortured and burns if he refuses to change his ways. You can't use sadistic threats on people and expect them not to revolt.

It has everything to do with accountability. Failure is not a threat, its the consequence of an action. Eternal damnation is the consequence of an action. Hunger is the consequence of your refusal to eat. Darkness is the automatic result when you kill the lights. But no one wants to hear that his actions will have consequences.
Just walk up to a thug and preach atheism to him already. You will get your answers.
And is that how you were indoctrinated as a kid on how to preach the gospel?, threaten your friends?
I dont need to tell someone he will go hungry, i only need to tell him to go and eat. The same way i dont need to keep hammering how much my kid will fail if he does not study.
The interesting thing is that no one is forced, some people prefer to learn the hard way.

dalaman:
Thrash, it never happened, Jesus never said those words, even your gotquestions.com has clearly said that a scribe added the story to the bible out of his own will much later on, it was never part of the original manuscripts. The same Jesus said he did not come to abolish the laws of the prophets.

Gotquestions is now the official custodian of the scriptures?, did you get an evidence like the ones you ask christians for before making your inference?.

dalaman:
Leading and building are two different things.

Even if they were christians they country they founded was not founded on christian principles. Read about the American founding fathers and their private beliefs.

Now you are admitting that Godly people kick-started those countries. You be confirm rat wey dey carry lassa fever.
Now Imagine a car with all its potentials and power, then imagine two drivers, one with a will and focus, the other looking uninterested. Both of them get to ride cars. The ones with a will and focus is responsible for those great countries. The other driver-type is responsible for those Afro-countries you talking about. We know how far each car have moved.
You read about the Godliness of the American founding fathers.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : Do We Receive Mansions In Heaven? Errmmm by winner01(m): 1:34am On Feb 19, 2016

dalaman:
But the same Jesus said that he did not come to abolish the law of the prophets. Who wrote the bible if not men? Seems your delusion knows no bounds. The bible is the work of men, and those men are your God. That is the reality, the unknown writers of the bible are your God, that is why you have to keep pointing and trying to defend every fiction and mythology they wrote down.
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Which law, the mosaic law or the 10 commandments, which one exactly. "You have heard the prophets, but now i say to you". We are christians, people like Christ. We strive to be like Christ, the only Being in human flesh ever to be recorded as perfect.
Keep waving your hands, you have no proof of the trash you say. And no one is defending anything, im only interested in proving atheism as a senseless worldview.

dalaman:
Unfortunately killing other people because they worship other God's is a crime, the barbaric men that wrote down they bible did not see it as anything wrong, we who have evolved a better moral system can only look at them and see how barbaric they were. They were so barbaric that they actually believe that it was right to sell their daughters into slavery and stone the disobedient ones to death.

It is a crime because you have been born into the system and indoctrinated. Last i checked, you are an animal and animals kill each other, even those of the same species. (My fowls just killed another of their kind). Stop living on borrowed or ancient morality. Live like the animal that you are. When you probe christianity, probe governmental laws and the morality which you've been indoctrinated as a poor kid. People who worship other God's will eventually die, why not go stop them from dying.
Muslims kill people because they worship God almost everyday but your conscience pitches you against christianity. Tell me again how you aren't disturbed.

dalaman:
I told your man that the story was made up by a scribe and later added to the bible stories, that story even by biblical standard never happened.

http://www.gotquestions.org/John-7-53-8-11.html

Yeah, it never happened because you or someone else or the gatekeeper of the Bible said so.

dalaman:
God is an idea and I dislike the idea. Neither I, nor you, know how life came about, while I take the I do not know option, you on the other habd have chosen to take the mythical ideas of other men that you were indoctrinated with. Your God remains a human idea and conception.
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On the contrary i think you know how life began but are too empty to disclose it, otherwise i see no reason why you want other people not to know how life began with you. I, on the other hand know that i was created and i have a mandate to live life triumph and help other men conquer. No one can dislike his Maker, you can only decide to be foolish for the short time you have to live on earth.

dalaman:
Is Christ not God? So what about Christ makes Christians exceptional moral human beings? Are christians the best moral human beings?
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You do not ask me questions until you clear the air on all the bull you've spewed earlier on. The picture below best fits your question.

dalaman:
You were born into a christian family that is why you are a christian, if you were born into a muslim family in Iran or hindu family in Nepal you wouldn't have been a christian. That is the fact. You analogy is silly. How many muslims or Hindus do you see striving to leave their religions the way people are striving to leave poverty? As usual your analogies are always empty.

Empty to you cos you're slow. Everyone wants to succeed, its why hindus or muslims keep striving to move closer to their god, in the process some realize the truth and are bold enough to take the step do so. Its just like being bold enough to confront life and demand what is yours (working hard). They will be as stup!d as you are to disbelieve the existence of poverty and riches. You are as confused as someone who says light and darkness does not exist.

dalaman:
But some of your own biblical prophets were like were also brutal, aggressive, sexual deviants, also engaged in incest and human sacrifice. Your God even supported them in their own evil ways but told them to kill others include their babies for disobeying him.

I dont know if you just love moving around in circles, you need to read my previous replies.

dalaman:
It was, God according to the bible warned the Jews against marrying from other tribes, and punished those of them that did because they worshiped other Gods.

Read the part where i said "God has provided for the salvation of these people.

dalaman:
It's shameful that you are justifying barbarity all because you were indoctrinated with it. When muslims kill you are tell you that Allah who created you said they should kill you, just know that it is Allah who gives and takes life. Let me see you castigating Muslims for killing in the name of Allah.

You are very unintelligent, as always. You make cases and cant justify them. Im sure if i ask you a question about allah you will burrow your way through another tunnel. Allah condemns you already for being born into anything other than islam, God loved us while we were yet sinners. I wont allow you to drag me into talking about allah. Plus no atheist can ever state to me what is babaric and what is not, a muslim can and i will reply him differently. Except you want to base your morality on the ones you borrowed. except you want to point to laws that were created, not puting into consideration the interests of rapists, murderers, kleptomaniacs, and other dangerous people. Afterall you are an animal, and you have to act in your best interest to survive. Its nothing new if an animal kills another. Survival of the fittest remember.

dalaman:
The bible is false not even because people wrote anything about it, it clearly says things that are very false.

Hitler was tacitly supported by the catholic church.
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The Bible is false and its giving you sleepless nights, and you quote it like your life depends on it. You're just stup!d

Hitler had an atheistic ideology, i proved that. Give proof of the trash you say. And when you eventually do, show me in the bible where Jesus prayed the rosary

dalaman:
Define the mind and I will show you how it looks like. What is the human mind? The human mind is real while your demons are fictitious characters that exist only in your head.

You are oozing pain and desperation. Even a kid knows what the mind is, so you must be nuts thinking that i will ever reply you on that. Why not describe it and give pictorial proof so we can know that there is such a thing.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : Do We Receive Mansions In Heaven? Errmmm by winner01(m): 10:42pm On Feb 18, 2016

KingEbukasBlog:
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Best reply for shmucks grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : Do We Receive Mansions In Heaven? Errmmm by winner01(m): 10:26pm On Feb 18, 2016

KingEbukasBlog:
Winner01 , Dalaman knowingly avoided the full verse in 16 and overlooked 17 that justified God's actions . This guy has an ulterior motive - presenting God as some monster

Its obvious. He seems to be desperately convincing himself. Poor dude, I wonder what he's going through.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : Do We Receive Mansions In Heaven? Errmmm by winner01(m): 9:17pm On Feb 18, 2016*

dalaman:
Which moral philosophy has christianity taught me? That I should stone people that have premarital sex to death? Isn't that what you God in the bible teaches? Of course the bible is the word of God, just that the God you are talking about are the men that wrote the bible, barbaric men that believe it is right to stone people to death for premarital sex and also stone their disobedient children to death. The bible is a mythical account of the Jews and the God they imagined and created. In pages after pages it promotes violence. In this passage it calls for the killing of those that worship other Gods.

Yeah, just like Jesus Christ, Our Lord, who taught us how to live and brought us the new convenant stoned people to death and asked us to kill people who worshipped other Gods. You are disturbed and thats why you keep wishing that the Bible was written by mere men.

dalaman:
If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12).

Ive given you your answer severally. That you dont understand means you were never a christian or you were severely brainwashed by your parents as a kid. There is the law of sin and death, there is the law of the spirit of life in Christ..
Im yet to see you protest against the use of prisons and remand homes to deny people their freedom, the use of electrocution, firing squad, injected poison and other severe punishment (even though some have been scrapped) against humans who were acting in their own interest and advantage. People who do not want to conform to a governmental law probably because like you, they think it is an indoctrination passed down through generations by unenlightened founding fathers. People who are cheated because the government selfishly and forcefully wants them to conform to its laws recycled through generations, founded by selfish founders.

dalaman:
if this passage were written in the Koran, people like you will be masturbating all over it and telling us how violent and cruel Allah is. How can a book that tells you to stone people that have premarital sex ever stand against immorality and insanity? What can ever be more insane and immoral than stoning people that engage in premarital sex to death? Are you crazy?

Continue your stupidity when you have proof that Jesus Christ (who came to give life) stoned an adulterous woman to death. Christians are people who strive to be like Christ remember?

dalaman:
Repeating religious mantra aimlessly won't do it, I do not hate any God because non exist, I am only pointing to how ridiculous the idea is and you call it hate? What ever makes you sleep well at night my man, God is not love, the bible does not portray an idea of a God that is love. It portrays a God that go as far as killing the babies of people because they disobey his ridiculous injunctions. Where is the love?

Keep repeating the same thing and expect me to follow in your baseless circles. You do hate God, its why you cant live without trying to make people disbelieve in God. Well, God created you, kill yourself.

dalaman:
The former President of Nigeria is a christian just like you are, you are actually not a better christian than he is. He believes in Jesus, he might do what is wrong, break the rules and what not but it does not stop him from being a christian. GEJ might actually even be a better human being than you, who is here spewing thrash.

See how stup!d you sound. I showed you your stupidity by proving to you that what you do speaks more volume than what you say and all you can come up with is this? undecided

I can see you're stretched.
I didnt claim to be better than anybody, I restate that christians are people who strive to be like Christ, Beat that!!.

dalaman:
Which one is the life of Christ? The bible has Christ(God) acting like a schizophrenic person all over the place. You are not a better christain than most Nigerians so I really do not even know what you are yapping about. I am putting it to you that your life is not different than the life of an avarage Nigerian christian, it is not as if you are living a stellar moral life better than those other christians around you. So I really do not even know what to make of all these empty bluster of yours.

Stop making unintelligent claims because you have no where to run. A christian is someone who strives to reflect the life of Christ. I did not claim to be better that anyone. Stop being stup!d

dalaman:
You are comparing apples and stones, it's so ridiculous and silly. A muslim can say the same thing about you and your false and fake religion which is christianity, because according to muslims your religion is false and fake. You are only a christian because you were born in the religion, if your wereborn into a family hat belongs to another religion, you would have been practicing that religion and that remains the fact.

Yeah a fact because dalaman said so. And you are so sure i was born into christianity, right? Let me bolden my analogy this time maybe by chance you can put those brains to work
If i was born into a poor family, ill strive to become rich. Ill be as confused as you are not to believe in both poverty and riches.

dalaman:
Your God is a man made idea, and the writers of the biblical stories are your God that is why you point to their writings all the time when pointing to God.

keep waving 'em.

dalaman:
Your God does not love the unbelievers, he called for their slaughter in many passages of the bible, he said i many places that unbelievers are not to be associated with, they are to be enslaved or killed. How is your own God better than Allah? The bible is there for every body to read and see how your God treated the unbelievers.

Why is it that when you are shown how stup!d you are on a particular argument, you refuse to accept your stupidity as if its not yours?
You made a case for allah, why not defend your case. Why try to shift the argument unintelligently. undecided

God is love, his commandments to love our neighbours as much as ourselves is sure. Like you, many other confused beings believe God does not exist because there is too much evil in the world. If by chance, God makes a move to cleanse the world of its evil, many of you will still scream foul. What exactly is your stand in this life.
One of the lands conquered, Canaan engaged in consistent moral wickedness. They were brutal, aggressive and engaged in bestiality, incest, and even child sacrifice. Deviant sexual acts were the norm. The Canaanites’ sin was so repellent that God said, “The land vomited out its inhabitants” (Leviticus 18:25). Despite all this God gave the Canaanite people more than sufficient time to repent of their evil ways—over 400 years. But like you, they were willingly disobedient.
If the judgment was racially motivated as you are sreaming. People like Rahab in Jericho, would not find that mercy after repentance (Joshua 2). This singularly proves that God's desire is that the wicked turn from their sin rather than die (Ezekiel 18:31-32, 33:11).
Even Despite the wickedness of these people, (Psalm 87:4-6; Mark 7:25–30) shows that God out of His mercy still made provision for the salvation of these people.

God gives, God takes. Your case will be valid when you can prove to me that you are the creator of your life. Its like being criticized for selling your phone to buy another (not that you are even the creator of your phone). It shows you are wicked, dishonest, babaric and negative. Stup!d right. Yeah, you have the right to do whatsoever with your creation. The Bible is there to see how Jesus commanded us to go into the world and preach the gospel, making disciples of all nations and that is the greatest love and compassion for unbelievers.

dalaman:
Despite all the bible quotes, some of which are ridiculous an and outright fallacy, George Washington , owned many slaves, Abraham Lincoln praised the bible in public but in private those close to him say he didn't believe in it.

Lame, thats what you are. People said stuff and you believe. People wrote the Bible and you say its majorly false.
Im this close to ignoring your stupidity.

dalaman:
Maybe they are following your God's footsteps because your God and encouraged his chosen people to steal in the bible, he murdered people and encouraged his chosen people to murder others, they really acre about your God and are following his foot steps..

Just like you, Hitler and his followers disregarded God. Ive given my proof. Give yours and stop being stup!d.

dalaman:
Demonic mandate? . I will keep laughing at you as long as you keep talking thrash. You are just talking about fictitious characters and you expect me to take you seriously? What is a demon? Describe one to me in details so that when I encounter it, i will know it exist in reality and not in your fictitious made belief mind.

Sure, after you describe to me how the human mind looks and why many people believe it exists when no body has ever produced its image.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : Do We Receive Mansions In Heaven? Errmmm by winner01(m): 9:15pm On Feb 18, 2016*

dalaman:
Governmental laws indeed, so tell me, who gave those barbaric governmental laws according to the bible that you are so ashamed of? Is it not this same God that you are trying to tell is is the epitome of morality? Kill unbelievers, kill gays, kill your disobedient children, kill those that work on the Sabbath, kill those that have premarital sex, enslave your neighbors, kill those that worship other God, kill babies cos their parents did you wrong, kill this, kill that, violence, anger, madness and everything. The bible says do not mix with unbelievers.

Ashamed of The mosaic law that was given to isrealites and recorded in the bible? What are you? nuts? Im sure if the Bible didnt record the governmental laws of the isrealites, the devil will still plant another evil in your mind. That's what you get when you desperately cling to insanity.
God is Love. And we have a mandate given by God to love our neighbours as ourselves. You cant disprove that. You can only cry yourself to sleep.

dalaman:
Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?2 Corinthians 6:14

Define a yoke. And how it was used for oxen and cattle in the bible days then you will know that yoke and mix are different.
The Bible mentions Unequal yoke. I see you've modified it. Probe that term with the same cunning mind you use in disbelieving your Creator. It will make more sense to you.

dalaman:
Why will a for example thug want to hear that he will burn in fire because he refused to obey some stories? Of course the thug will be angry. You are threatening him with eternal torture which only makes him remember himself. Yes the bible has Jesus which is the same person as God issuing very hateful verdicts all over the place.

Just the same way its is inappropriate to hammer into the ears of a kid that he will fail if he spends all his time in front of video games instead of reading. You fail to prepare, you prepare to fail. It all boils down to accountability. No one wants to be accountable for his actions, that explains your thug. Preach atheism to a thug and watch him jump for joy at having the chance to have his way without being accountable to a greater authority.
Get to work, 10 thugs, prostitutes, scums and rejects will do. It will be a great addition if you can add bandits/robbers to your population sample.

dalaman:
“The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered.” O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don’t give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, “All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children.” (Hosea 9:11-16)

Here is Jesus(God) in the bible promising to kill the children of those that disobey him. Who kills children? Even the vilest of all human beings do not kill babies.

1. God gives life, He can take it when it deems fit. Try harder, you dont own sh*t, you will submit all including your life when its time.
2.He dealt with others, you complained. Now He is dealing with Isrealites (You still complain). Seems you will always have a cause to complain so as to constantly prove to your subconscious the inexistence of its Maker.
3. You say the records of the Bible are fake, yet you quote from it. Aren't you senseless?
4. As for babies, say the same for companies that destroy robots because of their faults.
5. God in His infinite mercy has made provisions for all, because He is just. He can take the lives of unconscious babies because He makes them. Death to you is the ultimate, to us its a transition into glory. Babies can come to earth one minute, and go back to Heaven to be with their maker the next minute. Except you have proof of their otherwise destination..

dalaman:
Thrash, the same Jesus said that he did not come to abolish the law of the prophets. He even berated the people for refusing to stone to their their disobedient kids to death as the law states. Loving your God with all your heart and loving your neighbor as you love yourself is what you want others to deduce from the bible, it is not all what the bible teaches, the bible teaches, love, hate,kindness, violence, cruelty and all. It is just a mix bag, that is why christians are all over the place using the bible to justify all of their actions, from love, to hate, to anger, to cruelty, to kindness, to everything. The bible is a mix bag and doesn't have single and universally accepted message or doctrine, all you have is to make do and create what ever it is you want to create for yourself out of the mix messages.

And he also used this famous line The prophets said, But now I say. He refused to stone a woman when people waited to see His reaction and he gave a world trembling comment "Let he who is without sin among you cast the first stone".
Try harder, Our God is love. Your pain, agony and hatred wont change anything. It might change your blood pressure level though.

dalaman:
Jesus was drinking and because he did they people called him a drunk, I didn't say he was a drunk, I stated that clearly, but it is very clear from the verse that he drank and because he drinks the people called him a drunk. If you don;t drink no one will accuse you of drunkenness. According to the verse Jesus himself clearly stated that he drinks.

Your twisting and turning words dont work on me. Im far above that. And you are so sure of the state i met my colleague.

dalaman:
Aren't you the one insisting that believing in Jesus makes people better human beings?

Your conscience is the thing disturbing you. Stop Putting words in my mouth. I made no such assertion. Stop feeling inferior. Man up.

dalaman:
And God's word has made which country better? Name one country that became great by having the bible as it's constitution. When Europe was under the leadership of the church it was so backward that the period was regarded as part of the dark ages.

At a time, you dont believe that the church built europe, Another time, you say the Church led Europe. You will make a good rat. You know how to burrow your way even if it makes you look stupid. Can you give proof that the church led Europe , God does not make countries better, He is more concerned with the salvation of individuals. You on the other hand like many other atheist (both acclaimed and pretenders)are more concerned with this world, gather materials selfishly only to give it up after a short while.
No one gets backward with God, People only go backwards when they are so engaged in wickedness, selfishness, theft, self exaltation and other negatives which God warned against.

dalaman:
Which christian foundation? You can't state it because it does not exist. State the christian principles the which the USA was founded upon or shut up. Is it separation of church and state? is it slavery ? is it arms bearing? Is it freedom of speech, expression and association? Which of these are christian principles?

Ive given proof that the founders were christian. Some of their quotes are clear for all to see. Why not defend your stup!d claims of them being pretenders.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : Do We Receive Mansions In Heaven? Errmmm by winner01(m): 1:10pm On Feb 17, 2016*

dalaman:
The bible says you do not know what you are saying. according to the bible, Jesus who also doubles as God encouraged all sort of wickedness.

He encouraged people to enslave each other including selling their daughters into slavery, kill unmarried people that have premarital sex by stoning them to death, kill gays by stoning them to death, kill your disobedient children by stoning them to death, kill those that follow other Gods, sexism, mass murder and genocide etc. Christians will always claim throw the evil parts and act as if the bible is all about the love your neighbor as you love yourself when we know it is not true, in some parts it even tells believers not to have anything to do with unbelievers, because there is nothing that light has to do with darkness it says, by extension if your neighbor is an unbeliever you can't love him. What power does the name of Jesus have apart from the belief that you attach to it? There is power in the name of Allah too. Repeating religious mantra has nothing to do with reality. The bible is not all about the feel God love that you guys love portrying, many parts of it will always embarrass you. Try 1/10th of the injunctions your God(Jesus) commanded in the OT and you will be in prison or be killed if you live in a society that believes in capital punishment.

All your rants prove the sort of hatred you live in.
The only proof you have that God is unjust is your desperation. There were governmental laws given by moses and the Bible records it. Your desperation is your headache.
When did Jesus ask believers not to have anything to do with unbelievers, or does light and darkness mean christians and non christians to you. You really were indoctrinated. Your parents force fed you the principles of christianity, its why you dont know the basics, its why you are hurting. Every thing Jesus condemned was the "evil' and not the people.

dalaman:
Just show me any statistics that claims christains are more moral and better humans beings or shut up. The reality is non exist because non can exist, christians are not better human beings or morally better than non christians so your hypothesis about Jesus making people better human beings is a lie, since we have Jesus who doubles as God issuing very hateful and evil edicts in the bible.

I wont show you anything. Walk up to 10 thugs or prostitutes yourself and preach Jesus to them and notice their reactions. To further discover how much of an atheist they are, preach self-worship, unaccountability, wordly enjoyment and the inexistence of God to them and notice their positive reactions.
Jesus issuing hateful verdicts? undecided

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You are really a sad and pained fellow.

dalaman:
If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)

I wont discuss this with you cos this is not the first time you will make such references. But the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death. christians are under the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), which is to “love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind…and to love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 22:37-39). If we obey those two commands, we will be fulfilling all that Christ requires of us.

dalaman:
Is wine not an alcoholic drink? During the time of Jesus wine was the only alcoholic drink, beer and other alcoholic drinks like Gin and Whisky were not yet invented. The only alcoholic drink available was wine.

33"For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, 'He has a demon!' 34"The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' 35"Yet wisdom is vindicated by all her children.". Luke 7:34

The verse is very clear. Jesus dined and wined and the people called him a drunk and a glutton, he befriended tax collectors and sinners and the people called him out on it. I am not saying he was a drunk, but the passage clearly states that he drank and because he did the people called him a drunk.

Let me post the full verse so people can see how desperate you are;
Luke 7:33–34, Jesus said, “For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’ The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at him! A glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’”
Only desperation will make you turn this verse into what it isnt. Jesus was simply comparing John the Baptist’s “drinking no wine” and His own drinking. Jesus said religious leaders accused Him falsely of being a drunkard. Jesus was never a drunkard as you are subtly insinuating and denying at the same time, just like He was never a glutton. He lived a completely sinless life (1 Peter 2:22).
Jesus even warned against drunkeness (Luke 12:45), and do you know the intoxication state i met my colleague before leaping blindly. Be wise please.

dalaman:
Yes, I am putting it to you, I am not making unfounded claims, I am telling you the reality, there are many atheist, muslims, Hindus, Buddhist , Taoist etc who are far better human beings than you are, that is a matter of fact, so, I really di not know what this Jesus claim of yours about being a good person is all about, many people that do not believe in Jesus are much better human beings than you so what exactly are you on about?

It is not a fact simply because you said so. firstly, What do you mean by being better?. secondly, i made no such claim so why are you trying to rope me? Is your conscience disturbing you or something?

dalaman:
Of course I do, my friends, colleagues and some family members all are born again christians like you, but they are not steller human beings(including you). There is nothing different in your lives compared to that of others. If being born again makes any difference then Nigeria will be the best country on earth because Nigeria is the country that has the highest number of born again people that I know next to Ghana(I have lived there also). I was raised partly in a deeper life church, so , i know what the born again brouhaha is alll about.

What do you understand by being born again? Is it what you were forcefed as a kid cos you also claim to be an ex-born again without knowing jack about christianity. You've been an indecisive fellow who can be easily swayed right from the onset so why should anyone take you serious.
Stop deceiving yourself, Nigeria is a superstitous and hypocritic country. When we start following Gods word and not disregard Him and live like atheists, the country will move forward.
You were raised in a deeper life and your leaders fed you stuff as a kid, dont come and cry here.

dalaman:
I said the USA was not founded on any christian principle, and all you can do is give me a link to a rant about how the year of our lord means God is in the constitution? So what if the year of our lord appears, some of the founding father were deist, so they could be referring to their deist God and not the christian God. But one thing for sure is that the USA was not founded on any christian principle. The US was founded on the principle of:

-separation of church and state
-freedom of speech and association(their fist amendment)
-wild gun culture which is their second amendment and runs very contrary to the turn your other cheek pacifist teaching of Jesus.
-slavery and land grab
-secularism which makes sure that the state should not promote one religion ahead of another

These are the principles that the US was founded on. Name the christian principles that the US was founded on or stop making that ridiculous claim.

Ok so now they were deists not pretenders/cultists like you earlier said grin

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Dont bother yourself asking any proof from me, you are not to be taken seriously by anyone. Ive made my stand :Usa and uk were built on chistian foundations and principles by christian founders and we know where they are today.

Queen Victoria, the longest ruling monarch of GB gave her opinion, she said;
"That Book, the Bible, accounts for the supremacy of England. England has become great & happy by the knowledge of the true God through Jesus Christ".

You said the christian founders were eventually proven to be pretenders after their deaths, you give proof of that and the many bull you have said or keep quiet forever.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : Do We Receive Mansions In Heaven? Errmmm by winner01(m): 11:32am On Feb 17, 2016

dalaman:
Premarital sex between two adult lovers is not wrong. You want me to draw my moral philosophy from a book written by barbaric men who say that those that have premarital sex should be stoned to death? You must be crazy. Having premarital sex is not wrong, stoning people to death for having premarital sex as your God said people should do is what is wrong. How can such a book that promotes such barbarity as stoning people to death for premarital sex be used to cure immorality when the book itself promotes barbarity? The bible has not and can not be used to cure immorality that is why you can not provide any statistics any where that shows that christians are less immoral than non christians.

Keep moving in inches within the stupidity region, i see you've changed "consenting adults", which used to be the normal line to "adult lovers".. You have no moral philosophy except the one you have learnt from christianity. When your desperation to disprove the Bible as the word of God ceases, then you will start seeing the Bible for what it is. The Bible gives an historical account of the Israelites and their relationship with God. It does not promote violence, it gives record of history and is the only Book that stands in the face of immorality and insanity.
The day you start to provide evidence for the unintelligent claims you make, is the day ill start to think about taking you serious.

dalaman:
Which love? is Jesus not God? More than half the bible is about kill, hate, destroy, and God(Jesus) throwing different anger tantrums at different people for ignoring him or refusing to obey him. He even kills children according to the bible if their parents disobey him, so where is the love?

Don't be filled with so much hate for God, what really happened to you?.
God is love, Jesus is the Son of God (God in the flesh). And Jesus gave only one commandment; Love.

dalaman:
Disbelief is not a crime around me.

"But modify your behaviour to keep it within acceptable ranges because you are accountable to God" is a crime to you to an extent that you need people to disbelieve in God with you. Great.

dalaman:
Hitler himself never killed anybody, the people around him did and they were all theist. The christians in Nigeria remain christians, it doesn;t matter what you say, as long as they say they are christians they are. You are not the gate keeper of christianity or the one who determines who are christian as, as long as they say they are christians , then they are, your opinion of them does not matter. What matters is what they say they are.

Yeah Hitler was a good man, tell me more. Abacha was also a good man. Their followers who shared their dangerous ideaologies were also good men. You are sounding more stup!d. So you ara saying that "what you say is what matters and not what you do".
So you mean one can claim to be an atheist and be close to God, and preach the gospel every day of his life for the rest of his life??
So you mean one can claim to be a musician without ever singing a song.
So you mean girl can claim to be a boy and it wont matter simply because she has said it.
Hell I can even claim to be the president of Nigeria then.

No wonder nairaland atheists claim to be scientists simply because they copy from science websites and post on nairaland, thats the logic right?

The "Christians" in Nigeria are not christians until they start to strive to reflect the life of Christ in them (which is the main essence of christianity). Until then, we have majority of atheists in profession in a terribly superstitous and hypocritic Nation.

dalaman:
You found the truth just the way a muslim found the truth because both of you were born and indoctrinated into man made religions that you were told were the only truth. If you were born to a Hindu family in India you would have been a Hindu, if you were born into a northern Hausa muslim family from Kano, you would have been telling us how there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger, you are only a christian because yo were born into the religion and systematically thought how to reason and think along the christian line right from childhood. Your surrounding culture and people around you always strengthen your beliefs with their general acceptance of the religion and the psychological reinforcement makes you feel you are on the right path because it has been drummed into your ears. All these are psychological.

And i will keep telling you. If i was born into a poor family, ill strive to get rich. If i was born into a family of illiterates, ill strive to get educated. Ill be as foolish and confused as you are not to believe in both poverty and riches.

dalaman:
Hitler was his own God, your own God is the made up ideas of other people.

Yeah right, keep waving your hands. Its the only thing you're good for

dalaman:
You can do same to them, but preach Allah and Mohammed to them, you can come back and tell me what happened.

Firstly, allah never proclaims his love for unbelievers anywhere in the quran. allah does not command his followers to preach to disbelievers, you have to be born into islam to be loved by allah. It is totally different from "love your enemies'.

secondly, Im not the one confused about the worldview of rejects, you are. So go do your research. They are at best atheists.

dalaman:
How do christians act? Is GEJ not a christain? What about OBJ and the christian governors? Some of them were pastors but we all saw what they did. Even the pastors among them were not different from the non christians in stealing and ruining their states.

A christian that was unrepentant in reasserting severally that "stealing is not corruption" contrary to what Jesus preached in Matt 6:19, Matt 15:19, John 10:10. Or Obj that is a certified cultist and stole billions in proxy. What exactly are you talking about?

Will you compare them with;
President George Washington, First President of the United States who said:
“It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible.”

or Abraham Lincoln who said;
“I am busily engaged in the study of the Bible. I believe it is God’s word because it finds me where I am.”
“I believe the Bible is the best gift God has ever given to man. All the good of the Savior of the world is communicated to us through the Book.”
“Take all that you can of this book upon reason, and the balance on faith, and you will live and die a happier man. It is the best Book which God has given to man(When a skeptic expressed surprise to see him reading a Bible)”
“But for this book we could not know right from wrong.”

or Woodrow Wilson who said;
“When you have read the Bible, you know it is the word of God, because it is the key to your heart, your own happiness, and your own duty.”

or Martin Luther who said;
"For some years now I have read through the Bible twice every year. If you picture the Bible to be a mighty tree and every word a little branch, I have shaken every one of these branches because I wanted to know what it was and what it meant".

or Theodore Roosevelt;
“A thorough understanding of the Bible is better than a college education. Almost every man who has by his lifework added to the sum of human achievement has based his lifework largely upon the teachings of the Bible".
"It is necessary for the welfare of the nation that men's lives be based on the principles of the BIBLE. No man, educated or uneducated, can afford to be ignorant of
the BIBLE"
"To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society"

Keep deceiving yourself for as long as it makes you happy. celebrate thieves, cultists, murderers, and people who dont care about God or their fellow compatriots. You are no different from them.

dalaman:
People do not believe in Santa to the extent that they want others to live their lives according to the dictates of santa.

People who believe in God do not force others to live according to the principles of His kingdom, but in love and compassion they do not want them in eternal damnation. They want the best for them, a mandate given by God.

You on the other hand are disturbed and depressed and filled with hatred for your Maker to an extent that you need more ~~people~~ souls on your side. You will stop at nothing in this state that is why you are up against God and christianity everyday of your life.
I understand you also have a demonic mandate even though you will deny it probably because you want to remain unaware of such mandate.
Its like denying that you will fail if you do not prepare for success, its like denying that you will be hungry if you dont eat. Its like denying the system you have been created into.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : Do We Receive Mansions In Heaven? Errmmm by winner01(m): 8:49am On Feb 16, 2016

KingEbukasBlog:
Sure bro .... A big one !!

I gave Dalaman a simple pragmatic approach to ascertain the religious affiliation of scums , scallywags and drunks of the Nigerian society . They abuse you when they you try preaching to Christ . They are atheists ... but Dalaman should try it

I doubt he would. he might be shocked at what he finds out.

Christianity Etc › Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : Do We Receive Mansions In Heaven? Errmmm by winner01(m): 8:47am On Feb 16, 2016

KingEbukasBlog:
lmao ... no mind the lady ... them think say na only dem sabi talk none sense

lol

Christianity Etc › Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : Do We Receive Mansions In Heaven? Errmmm by winner01(m): 8:46am On Feb 16, 2016

KingEbukasBlog:
I'll get back to Dalaman , when I come back from lectures

Nothing do you bro. Just take all the time you need. You are doing him a great deal of help by giving him attention.

Christianity Etc › Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : Do We Receive Mansions In Heaven? Errmmm by winner01(m): 8:24am On Feb 16, 2016

lepasharon:
Delusion is real!

Yeah, cos you said it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : Do We Receive Mansions In Heaven? Errmmm by winner01(m): 8:22am On Feb 16, 2016

dalaman:
What exactly about Jesus is it that has changed the world? You guys keep acting as if those that believe in Jesus are any better that those that do not. How has the belief in Jesus changed Nigeria or any country for the better? Are christians more moral than Non christians? Cite one studey that show that to be true or shut up. There is no such study any where in the world that says christians are better human beings than non christians anywhere, lets just get that clear. Jesus and the tales about him has never made any society better at any time in history.

Well, Ill say everything. Jesus has always been to cure to man's wickedness. I still cant fathom what it is about that Name. So much Power. It seems like a "bulwark against something worse" just like Richard Dawkins pointed out.
I wont give citations, you seem to be a tricky fellow, you request for evidences and fail to provide evidences for the hands you wave.

dalaman:
What is it with you and alcohol? According to the bible Jesus himself drank alcohol so why are you haranguing those that drink? How exactly has being born again change the world? I am putting it to you that there are many atheist, muslims, hindus etc that are far better human being than you so that the hell are you saying about being born again, as if being born again means anything. Being born again only means that you subscribe to some religious bubble and it;s dictates, it doesn't make you a better human being than others at all. I am a Nigerian, I know a lot of the born again people and it doesn't make them better human beings than anybody. You are not a better human being than me because you are born again. Christian are not morally upright than non christians, that is a fact. Show us one study that says christians are better human beings than non christians or shut up. Christianity is also a superstitious religion.

Jesus drank alcohol?, well, show me scriptures. And dont give me scriptures on wine.
You are not putting it to me, you are waving hands and making unfounded claims unintelligently.

Oh You know a lot of born again, give us proof of this bullshet.

dalaman:
As for America it was never founded on christian principles. America was founded by people that pretended to be christians in public but after they died we now know that they were not christians through the private letters they shared. Most of them were deist. America was founded on the principle of separation of church and state, freedom of speech and expression, capitalism, slavery, with a crazy and wild gun culture. These are what the US was founded on. The word God does not appear in the US constitution or bill of right.

Yawns, die first and ~~see~~ people say stuff about you. You've been fed with crap.

I have an article for you. You may find it useful; http://www.christianpost.com/news/god-and-the-constitution-129658/

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Christianity Etc › Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : Do We Receive Mansions In Heaven? Errmmm by winner01(m): 8:05am On Feb 16, 2016

dalaman:
You believe in superstitions like the virgin birth, Jonah living inside a fish for 3 days, Satan, demons, etc and you are pointing fingers at others? How laughable. Christianity is superstition in itself that is why such practices are easily assimilated into it. Consensual sex between two matured adults who love and care for each other and are willing to have sex before marriage is not bad, in fact it is good because they will know if you are sexually compatible. Christianity alone has never moved any nation forward. Christains that abide by everything written insde the bible have never been shown to be better human beings that those that do not, I repeat , there are many atheist, muslims, hindus etc that are far better human beings that you in every way, and you claim to be a born again christaian, so what exactly are you on about?

You know why you are different? cos you know how to modify your own version of stupidity. The normal line used to be "consensual sex between two matured adults is not bad" .. Nice addition though, It makes you a an inch above stupidity. Just as contemporary atheism is defined as the disbelief in God until proof is provided. Christianity has been and will always be the cure to insanity and immorality over the years and for years to come. It has always been the tame of wild hearts. No book on human philosophy even moves close to the scriptures. Newton knew this when he said; “We account the scriptures of God to be the most sublime philosophy. I find more sure marks of authenticity in the Bible than in any profane history whatsoever.”

dalaman:
Jesus was not the only person that preached love and he will not be the only person. Loving your neighbor and doing right by them has been preached by others long before the stories about Jesus were written. Jesus did not only preach love, his messages were mixed, in one place he said love your neighbors, in another place he said forget about the poor cos you will always have them, in another place he said , if you don't believe me and follow what I am saying you will burn in fire. Tough love.

Well, I speak for Christians. Give names of people that preached the kind of love that Jesus preached before Jesus. Dont just make assumptions. He said forget the poor or you said?. undecided

Follow my teachings or face the consequences of your actions. Pretty much the same thing that happens all around you. Its the system. You fail to prepare, you prepare to fail. Its the system.

dalaman:
During the time of Hitler, 95 percent of Germans were christians. They carried out all the atrocities. Hitler himself never killed anybody with his own hands, it was his followers who were 95 percent christians that carried out all the atrocities.

Yeah, just like 45 percent of Nigerians are "christians". I guess if you become a more badass that hitler, your atheist brothers will insist that you were born a christian irrespective of your worldviews. Ive given you a hint on the motivation of hitlers actions, his follower probably had the same evil motivations, and it only proves one thing. Just like you, they rejected sanity.

dalaman:
You are not a better human being than me because you happen to be indoctrinated with some ancient Jewish and Roman, fiction and mythologies. I am putting it to you. Hitler was his own God, but you on the other hand are worshiping a God idea others invented and passed down unto you through systematic indoctrination.
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I didnt claim to be a better human being than you, why the confrontation? undecided

Relax man. I was not indoctrinated, i only found out the truth. I still wonder why you dont see marriage as an indoctrination. You are just a higher animal c'mon, why stick to a female?

Hitler was his God and we can see how he ruled his life, I on the other hand worship the God of all, Your God, My God.
Either way, i would have sought to know the truth. Trust me, Im a more serious skeptic than you are.

dalaman:
And Christlike has made christians better human beings than others, how? Name any study that shows that christians are better human beings than non christians or shut up.
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Yeah it has. I dont need to name studies. Do your research. Walk up to 10 thugs, prostitutes, robbers and other scums and attempt to preach Jesus to them. Dont let their christian names fool you though. wink

dalaman:
But they are theist, aren't they?.

Even someone like you who have proved to be starkly ignorant of the basics will claim to be ex-christian. Well, I cant speak on the motivation of the muslim majority in governance, but for the "christians", love should be the motivation. You cant claim to be good and act otherwise, same goes for claiming to be a christian or atheist, you got to act it.
Not really about what you say, its how you act. Aunt Lepasharon will understand what im saying better, she must have had dealings with male liars. grin

Ever heard the saying; "action speaks louder............"

dalaman:
I have named one, Nigeria.

You obviously missed where i requested for substantial citations, dont just wave hands man.

dalaman:
This is the same thrash you use to delude yourself into believing that any body that calls out your delusions is disturbed. Why should I be disturbed about a myth? The name of Jesus is no different than the name of Mohammed or Buddha. They are all legends which a religion was born out of their names and alleged deeds nothing more. The name of Jesus can never do anything on it's own. It is believers like you that use the name to do everything. If you all stopped believing in Jesus today in 500 years time, the name of Jesus will be in the same level with the name of Rah Amun or Zeus for example, names of Gods that used to be very powerful until people stopped believing in them over time.

Sorry for your pain, it will stay for a longer time. lol.
You are disturbed, its why you cant do without threads on Jesus and christianity. I might open a thread on santa soon and then observe your level of commitment to that thread. We wont all stop believing in Jesus, we wont all throw away our lamp, our guide, We wont turn to insanity. Infact, As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord, Forever. I hope you dont wander too far before you can retrace your steps. God bless you.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : Do We Receive Mansions In Heaven? Errmmm by winner01(m): 1:17am On Feb 16, 2016

KingEbukasBlog:
.... Who is this one ? Can you provide evidence ?

Let me show you how you dont make any sense .

[size=25pt]America's president is Jonathan Guntam and not Obama . The blacks around the world are being deceived to accept that an African American rules the United States but its false . This is a plan by a major white intellectual group in the US and this has been kept secret for years now .. The real name of the black man who is being presented as the US President is Jordan McFerrlin - a Swedish spy of African descent .

The black nation has to rise against this deception and say no or forever remain in darkness - subdued always by the white man .[/size]

no be only you sabi talk none sense

Seriously, this has got to be the funniest reply ive read on nairaland grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Dealing With Misconceptions : Do We Receive Mansions In Heaven? Errmmm by winner01(m): 1:10am On Feb 16, 2016

wow. KingEbukasBlog ive missed out on the party.

dalaman:
. Can you provide the study that shows that most drunks and scums of any society are atheist? We can begin with Nigeria, since we both know the country and its people very well.

Its simple, walk up to a sample of 10 thugs, scums and drunks and attempt to preach Jesus to them. Give us a feedback on their reactions.

I once met a church usher and friend at a bar and tried to preach to him. His reply: Guy free me, shey you wan dey preach for me ni.

I was at a funeral on friday and a colleague was reminiscing about his mum's funeral, he boasted of how he bought drinks for all his friends that attended and how his brother refused to buy for his friends because he was born again. I asked him why he isnt born again and he gave me an uninteresting look. Now this is a regular drunk, church-goer (probably to socialize, get girls), dosent care much about God, from a christian home. Ill leave dalaman to decide what description best fits my colleagues. Christian or atheist.

You see most atheists like to make themselves feel better by believing that nigeria is a religious country when it is clearly a superstitous and hypocritic country. USA and U.K were built by christian founders on christian principles, we both know where they are today.

Let me quickly speak for the 45% christians in Nigeria. Most of them believe in superstitions like ghost apparitions, whistling snake invites, pregnant women pounding yam, rain makers and many others and they try so much to mix this with christianity. About 90%+ of Male Nigerian youths ("christians" wink

believe its right to have sex frequently before marriage. About the same percentage of females are not virgins anymore. And these are the people we call christians, you can walk up to a handful of them and listen to their unrepentant defences. And we keep screaming "Religious country". Lets keep deceiving ourselves shall we. wink

dalaman:
all the criminals that have destroyed the country and have refused to allow it grow are theist, all the fraudsters in Nigeria are theist, .

You cant Love you Neighbour like yourself as Jesus commanded and embezzle in billions knowing fully well that lives will be lost as a result. Love is what Jesus preached, those criminals are atheists in profession, but keep professing lip-theism to gain public acceptance. They really dont care about God and man. Its all about their self. The same "self" you keep encouraging us to worship.

dalaman:
Boko Haram are all theist(in fact in Nigeria we have had so many countless religious crisis that has killed many people),

Mostly islamic if not totally islamic.
News; If theists("christians" and non christians) quadruple the numbers of lives lost in history to religious crimes, that number will still pale in comparison to lives lost in history to atheism.
Before you go Adolf Hitler on me, let me quickly give you two of his quotes.

"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges, the pox and christianity"- Table talks, October 19th, 1941.

December 13th of the same year, he said "When all is said and done, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunized against the disease."

Turns out, just like you, the drunks, scums and the criminals in government you mentioned, Hitler also had the chance to embrace sanity but instead choose to be his own god.

dalaman:
all the prostitutes in Nigeria are all theist,

A profession contrary to the message of Christ is not christian-like. It is more associated with hypocrites, atheism, self-worship and disregard for God and ones body (the temple of God).

dalaman:
in fact over 97 percent of the people living in Nigeria are theist.

I speak for 45% christians

dalaman:
The corrupt leaders that have refused to allow the country move forward are all theist.

The same People who engage in cultism, idolatry, adultery, violence, demonic pacts, embezzlement, organized robbery and disregard for God and human lives ba?

Anything to make you feel better man wink

dalaman:
Name any society that has a sizable atheist and theist population where majority of the drunks and scalawags are atheist.

Name any that has majority of its drunks and scums as theists, give substantial citations and try not to go seek lies from atheist websites.

dalaman:
If people can know about Jesus through revelation then why did Jesus tell people to go and preach to the world? Why didn't he reveal himself to every body? Why does it have to take the slave masters to bring christianity to Africans? You must be told about Jesus by someone before you know about him that is the fact.

Been a while man, its good to see that you are still disturbed by the Name of Jesus. Yeah, thats the conscience trying not to die. You will come to Know God eventually. Amen.

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Much Better Explanation Of Evolution by winner01(op): 12:43am On Feb 08, 2016

The "evolution" fraud did not begin today. Many years back, The Nebraska Man hoax began when geologist Harold Cook, conducting an archaeological dig, unearthed a molar tooth, a single, lone molar tooth in the state of Nebraska. Harold Cook retained the tooth in his own possession for five years, before he turned it over to Henry Fairfield Osborn. Believe it or not, this lone molar tooth was the ENTIRE “evidence” constituting “Nebraska Man.”

An entire ape-man and “missing link” find was proclaimed hastily within a single month by Osborn before the National Academy of Science on the basis of a single tooth! Three years later, William King Gregory completed the excavation in Nebraska, but there was an embarrassing problem. Unexpectedly, the full skeleton of Nebraska Man was still there in the ground. Nebraska Man, it turned out, was actually Nebraska PIG, a Miocene peccary! The whole skeleton, minus the one molar already found, was unearthed. Cook, Matthew and Osborn had already documented their knowledge of and familiarity with Miocene peccary molars 8 years before the singular tooth was found, including noting that they could be mistaken for anthropoid molars “by anyone not familiar with the dentition of Miocene peccaries”! This realization may very well have been the inspiration for the hoax. Cook, Matthew and Osborn already WERE “familiar with the dentition of Miocene peccaries.” Why, then, had they proclaimed that a pig molar, of which they were familiar and knowledgeable, was proof of an ape-man, a missing link?

They knew better but made an ape-man out of a pig molar anyway. This whole scenario can hardly be anything other than deliberate deception. The question must be asked, If Harold Cook truly believed the molar he had in his possession was an anthropoid molar, would he not have forwarded it to Osborn immediately instead of waiting for five years? Would Cook have actually sat on such a momentous discovery saying nothing about it for five years?

Henry Osborn, was at that time, the world’s leading expert on mammalian molar teeth, examined the tooth handed over to him by Cook and proceeded almost immediately to announce to the world that proof of a missing link, an anthropoid ape, an ape-man, in North America had been found. Osborn, signifying authoritative identification, gave an official name to the presumed original owner of the tooth, “Hesperopithecus haroldcookii,” meaning “Harold Cook’s Ape of the Western World,” in honor of Harold Cook, its finder.

Henry Fairfield Osborn, as the leading expert on the subject of mammalian molar teeth, had already written and published a full-length book on the subject, “Evolution of Mammalian Molar Teeth,”. The book is 237 pages of commentary and a virtual catalogue of diagrams of mammalian molars. If anyone knew mammalian molars, it was Osborn.

Well as usual, the hoax gained so much acceptance among some in the science community and other desperate folks seeking for a non-existent creation alternative.

Below is the picture of the Nebraska man that was desperately formed by the discovery of just a tooth, which eventually turned out to be the tooth of a pig. A picture which was shamelessly shown to the world as proof of a missing link, an anthropoid ape, an ape-man.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Much Better Explanation Of Evolution by winner01(op): 10:56pm On Feb 07, 2016

Evolutionists are now claiming that a dolphin captured with two little extra fins near the tail is proof that dolphins evolved from four-footed animals related to the dog.

"Experts believe that the dolphin's ancestor was a dog-like creature which roamed the earth many millions of years ago. And now the extraordinary discovery of a bottlenosed dolphin with an extra set of flippers has provided living proof of the theory. At first glance it looks like any other of its kind. But closer inspection reveals a rogue set of rear fins. Each the size of a human hand, the fins are thought to be the remains of a pair of hind legs, adding to evidence that dolphins once walked on all fours."

Look closely at the picture below. This is clearly nonsense. First, evolutionists tell us that land animals evolved from sea creatures. Now they are trying a new approach, claiming sea creatures evolved from land animals. Dog are still dogs, but they claim that some of the dogs long ago evolved into dolphins. These "scientists" claim the dolphin evolved from the dog while the rest of the dogs didn't evolved into anything. They simply remained dogs.

These "scientists" are not scientists. No scientific evidence exists for these evolutionary theories. This claim is an attempt to brainwash the naive. Don't be fooled by these claims. Evolutionists typically use words like "may have evolved" or ""probably evolved" because they lack scientific proof. The truth is obvious here.
This is simply one of the many species of dolphins.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Actor Robert Powell: Stop Worshipping Me, I Am Not The Real Jesus by winner01(m): 4:19pm On Feb 07, 2016

hahn:

You mean real christians worship imaginary characters from a Jewish story book. Copy

Yeah we imagined everyone of them, archeology has a different story to tell you though.

Christianity Etc › Re: Actor Robert Powell: Stop Worshipping Me, I Am Not The Real Jesus by winner01(m): 2:59pm On Feb 07, 2016

hahn:
Kingebukasblog, vooks, winner01, hcpaul, italo, malvisguy212 and other delusionists. This thread is beckoning your attention.

How una dey by the way? Una no dey even ask of person sef

Lalasticlala, update the fp with this thread na. We need to enlighten our Christian brothers and sisters o so they don't go to hell over a case of mistaken identity

Hahn, a puny athei-ard. Real christians concern themselves with much more important things. Threads such as this only concern those who worship images. Go do something useful for yourself.

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Much Better Explanation Of Evolution by winner01(op): 8:14am On Feb 07, 2016*

KingEbukasBlog:
Bro even online dictionaries owned by atheists describe God as a super human . intelligent design which has been argued upon is now being described as pseudo-science .

Wikipedia has always been obstinate about The Big Bang being bereft of a first cause but now that phrase has been edited . The fight against Religion - Christianity - is real . Atheists always accuse Christians to be intolerant but now they are showing their real colours - pathetic despicable bigots

@ Bolded. Of course, Wikipedia proclaims its equality on one hand and then subtly promotes atheism on the other hand. The reason is not far fetched. The owner has a vested interest. It takes an open mind to see this.
Im not suprised at the bigotry being displayed here. Its the usual reaction from people who do not want their official creation story to be debunked by the same science they desperately cling to for relevance.

The picture below is one of the earliest forms of life found in the fossil record. Its called a trilobite. Its is an extraordinarily complex organism, far from the primitive forms predicted by darwinism.

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Much Better Explanation Of Evolution by winner01(op): 8:02am On Feb 07, 2016

^^^
Thanks for being outdated. Yes, It has long been accepted that Archaeopteryx was a transitional form between birds and reptiles, and that it is the earliest known bird. But Lately, scientists have realized that it bears even more resemblance to the Maniraptora, than to modern birds; providing a strong phylogenetic link between the two groups. Scientists have observed that there is a clear difference between vertebrate flight and avian flight.
It is you that needs to learn and stop desperately looking for a crutch because you cant bear the reality of the alternative. It is you that will have us believe that dinosaurs turned into birds. A phenomenon which has never been directly observed throught life. I refuse to go back and forth with you because your desperation is clear. Ill simply refer you to one of cloudgoddess favourite sites to read up how the archaeooteryx has gradually become an embarrasment for evolutionists. grin

http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/07/31/archeopteryxs-evolutionary-humuliation-continues/

You can also learn from here: http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/diapsids/birds/archaeopteryx.html

The founder of wikipedia dosent write articles and i made no such claims either. But he definately controls what wikipedia tilts to support and its obvious when it comes to sensitive topics such as this.

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Much Better Explanation Of Evolution by winner01(op): 1:13am On Feb 07, 2016*

^^^^
All these fossils mentioned are recorded in their original and fully developed forms and obviously would retain their forms if alive today. The coelacanth i used earlier is a good example.
As for the Sahelanthropus tchadensis, Cloudgoddess once referred me to a site, national geography precicely, which stated clearly that Apes or chimpanzees or whatever did not evolve into humans and that there is no missing link between humans and the ape-like.
And actually the same applies for virtually all the fossils you pasted here. Take the tiktaalik for instance,
In 2006, Dr Jonathan Sarfati considered the evidence and pointed out that Tiktaalik’s fin was not connected to the main skeleton, so could not have supported its weight on land. He likened the Tiktaalik claims to the hopes evolutionists held for the fin of the then supposedly extinct coelacanth.

Shaun Doyle took a look at these claims:
“Many features needed for terrestrial existence are simply not present in Tiktaalik. Because of this, the most important changes in the braincase are pushed to another link that is truly missing. Moreover, it could not have been preparing for the transition to land because evolution is blind; it cannot foresee what will evolve in the future especially when the raw material for evolutionary change is supposed to come from random mutations.”

In 2010, a discovery in Poland shook the claims about Tiktaalik’s place in the evolutionary timeframe. It was of tetrapod footprints dated (using evolutionary assumptions) at 397 million years, 18 million years older than Tiktaalik.

Dr Tas Walker wrote:
“If four-legged animals existed 18 million years earlier, then Tiktaalik can’t be the transitional fossil it has been claimed to be”.

BBC also report about the footprints:
“But Tiktaalik lived about 375 million years ago; and although there are slightly older transition fossils, the Zachelmie Quarry tetrapods break the neat and simple timeline.”

But even despite being disproved by the timeline already, neil shubin (tiktaalik's advocate) continued his storytelling about the tiktaalik's pelvis,desperately trying to prove that it was a tetrapod rather than a fish.
In 2013, Shubin wrote a paper which admitted that “scientists have yet to find a Tiktaalik hind fin bone, or any remains that might shed light on the origins of toes,” without realizing how vital those elements are if the story is true in the first place.
Shubin’s response is revealing: “The hind fin of Tiktaalik is tantalisingly incomplete.”

He has already stated in the paper that, whatever the result, Tiktaalik’s pelvis shows that its pelvic fin couldn’t bear weight on land! So just like the rest of the storytelling on this specimen and other specimens over the years, the evolutionists have talked the talk but they still can’t make Tiktaalik walk.

In other words, tiktaalik just like the coelacanth were just fishes until desperation and fantasy crept into the minds of humans.

If you co-owned an engine such as wikipedia, I can be sure that you would also give evolution a much more convincing outlook than it already is. Its the same with Jimmy wales, an atheist and the Co-Founder of Wikipedia. There are proofs of Wikipedia's bias on certain topics such as intelligent design, abortion, homosexuality and several others.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Can A True Christian Abandon Christianity? by winner01(m): 12:29am On Feb 07, 2016

I believe its not possible to leave where you have never been.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Much Better Explanation Of Evolution by winner01(op): 11:56pm On Feb 06, 2016

KingEbukasBlog:
This is so brilliant bro winner01 ... I hope this makes frontpage with the title " Christianity's rebuttal against the theory of evolution" ...I hope lalaticlala sees this the way we see it

Thanks bro. I hope so too.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Much Needed Explanation of Evolution by winner01(m): 11:48pm On Feb 06, 2016

KingEbukasBlog:
I dont want to deviate from the bible but some animals may have done a "Turbal-cain " during the flood event .

And you use of evolution BS - creation of new species - to refute a biblical story is asinine

https://www.nairaland.com/2917639/much-better-explanation-evolution-2#42689254

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Much Better Explanation Of Evolution by winner01(op): 11:46pm On Feb 06, 2016*

Below are the submissions of some luminaries in science about evolution and creation.

[b]“For me, the idea of a creation is not conceivable without invoking the necessity of design. One cannot be exposed to the law and order of the universe without concluding that there must be design and purpose behind it all. In the world around us, we can behold the obvious manifestations of an ordered, structured plan or design . . .
“And we are humbled by the powerful forces at work on a galactic scale, and the purposeful orderliness of nature that endows a tiny and ungainly seed with the ability to develop into a beautiful flower. The
better we understand the intricacies of the universe and all it harbors, the more reason we have found to marvel at the inherent design upon which it is based . . .
“To be forced to believe only one conclusion that everything in the universe happened by chance would violate the very objectivity of science itself. Certainly there are those who argue that the universe evolved out of a random process, but what random process could produce the brain of a man or the system of the human eye?
“Some people say that science has been unable to prove the existence of a Designer. They admit that many of the miracles in the world around us are hard to understand, and they do not deny that the universe, as modern science sees it, is indeed a far more wondrous thing than the creation medieval man could perceive. But they still maintain that since science has provided us with so many answers the day will soon arrive when we will be able to understand even the fundamental laws of nature without a Divine intent. They challenge science to prove the existence of God. But must we really light a candle to see the sun? . . .
“What strange rationale makes some physicists accept the inconceivable electron as real while refusing to accept the reality of a Designer on the ground that they cannot conceive of Him?”[/b]- Former NASA director Wernher von Braun, who has been called the father of the American
space program, for his thoughts on the origin of the universe, life and the human race.

“For I am well aware that scarcely a single point is discussed in this volume [The Origin of Species] on which facts cannot be adduced, often apparently leading to conclusions directly opposite to those at which I arrived.”
—Charles Darwin himself

“The more I study nature, the more I stand amazed at the work of the Creator. Into his tiniest creatures, God has placed extraordinary properties that turn them into agents of destruction of dead matter.”
“A bit of science distances one from God, but much science nears one to Him.” —Louis Pasteur, French scientist, developer of the pasteurization process for milk and of vaccines for anthrax, chicken cholera and rabies

“The theories of evolution, with which our studious youth have been deceived, constitute actually a dogma that all the world continues to teach: but each, in his specialty, the zoologist or the botanist, ascertains that none of the explanations furnished is adequate.” “The theory of evolution is impossible. At base, in spite of appearances, no one any longer believes in it . . . Evolution is a kind of dogma which the priests no longer believe, but which they maintain for their people.” —Paul Lemoine, Former director of the Paris Natural History Museum, president of the Geological Society of France and editor of Encyclopedie Francaise

“To postulate that the development and survival of the fittest is entirely a consequence of chance mutations seems to me a hypothesis based on no evidence and irreconcilable with the facts. These classical evolutionary theories are a gross oversimplification of an immensely complex and intricate mass of facts, and it amazes me that they are swallowed so uncritically and readily, and for such a long time, by so many scientists without a murmur of protest.”
—Sir Ernst Chain, coholder of a Nobel Prize for isolating and purifying penicillin, director of Rome’s International
Research Center for Chemical Microbiology, professor of biochemistry at Imperial College, University of London

[b]“Manned space flight is an amazing achievement, but it has opened for mankind thus far only a tiny door for viewing the awesome reaches of space. An outlook through this peephole at the vast mysteries of the universe should only confirm our belief in the certainty of its Creator.”
“It is in scientific honesty that I endorse the presentation of alternative theories for the origin of the universe, life and man in the science classroom. It would be an error to overlook the possibility that the universe was planned rather than happening by chance.”
“Atheists all over the world have . . . called upon science as their crown witness against the existence of God. But as they try, with arrogant abuse of scientific reasoning, to render proof there is no God, the simple and enlightening truth is that their arguments boomerang.
For one of the most fundamental laws of natural science is that nothing in the physical world ever happens without a cause. There simply cannot be a creation without some kind of Spiritual Creator . . . In the world around us we can behold the obvious manifestations of the Divine plan of the Creator.”[/b] —Dr. Wernher von Braun, NASA director and father of the American space program

“For me the fundamental answers about the meaning of life come not from science, but from a consideration of
the origins of our uniquely human sense of right and wrong and from the historical record of Christ’s life on earth.” —Francis Collins, former atheist and currently director of the National Human Genome Research Institute

“I have been persuaded that it is simply out of the question that the first living matter evolved out of dead matter and then developed into an extraordinary creature.” —Antony Flew, emeritus professor of philosophy
at Reading University, formerly one of the world’s leading proponents of atheism.

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Much Better Explanation Of Evolution by winner01(op): 11:41pm On Feb 06, 2016*

I will like to quickly point some simple facts about fossils, one area out of the many oddities that defy evolution.

In the 19th century, Charles Darwin himself struggled with the the fact that the fossil record failed to support his conclusions and he wrote the following
“Why,” he asked, “if species have descended from other species by fine gradations, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms? Why do we not find them imbedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth?”
“The number of intermediate varieties, which have formerly existed, [must] be truly enormous,” he wrote. “Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and serious objection which can be urged against the theory”

Darwin was confident that fossil discoveries would provide clear and convincing evidence that his conjectures were correct. His theory predicted that countless transitional forms must have existed, all gradually blending from one tiny step to the next, as species progressively evolved to higher, better-adapted forms.
More than a million species are alive today. For all of these species to have evolved from common ancestors, we should be able to find millions, if not hundreds of millions, of intermediate forms(transitional forms) gradually evolving into other species.
And it was not only fossils of transitional species between apes and human beings that would have to be discovered to prove Darwin’s theory. The gaps were enormous.
Science writer Richard Milton notes that the missing links “included every part of the animal kingdom: from whelks to whales and from bacteria to bactrian camels. Darwin and his successors envisaged a process that would begin with simple marine organisms living in ancient seas, progressing through fishes, to amphibians—living partly in the sea and partly on land—and hence on to reptiles, mammals, and eventually the primates, including humans.

Darwin acknowledged that the fossil record failed to support his conclusions. But, since he thought his theory obviously was the correct explanation for the earth’s many and varied forms of life, he and others thought it only a matter of time before fossilized missing links would be found to fill in the many gaps.
His answer for the lack of fossil evidence to support his theory was that scientists hadn’t looked long enough and hadn’t looked in the right places. Eventually they would find the predicted fossil remains that would prove his view.

As evidenced in his book; “The explanation lies, I believe, in the extreme imperfection of the geological record,”
He was convinced that later explorations and discoveries would fill in the abundant gaps where the transitional species on which his theory was based were missing. But now, a century and a half later, after literally hundreds of thousands of fossil plants and animals have been discovered and cataloged.

Fast forward to many years later, David Raup, a firm believer in evolution and a respected paleontologist (a scientist who studies fossils) at the University of Chicago and the Field Museum had this to say about Darwins predicted missing links.
"In general, these have not been found— yet the optimism has died hard, and some pure fantasy has crept into textbooks”

Niles Eldredge, curator in the department of invertebrates at the American Museum of Natural History and adjunct professor at the City University of New York, is another vigorous supporter of evolution. But he finds himself forced to admit that the fossil record fails to support evolutionary view.
“No wonder paleontologists shied away from evolution for so long,” he writes. “It seems never to happen.
“When we do see the introduction of evolutionary novelty, it usually shows up with a bang, and often
with no firm evidence that the organisms did not evolve elsewhere! Evolution cannot forever be going on someplace else".

In short, after an immense worldwide search by geologists and paleontologists, the “missing links” Darwin predicted would be found to bolster his theory are still missing.

The late Harvard University paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould is perhaps today’s best-known popular writer on evolution. An ardent evolutionist, he collaborated with Professor Eldredge in proposing alternatives to the traditional view of Darwinism. Like Eldredge, he recognized that the fossil record fundamentally conflicted with Darwin’s idea of gradualism.
“The history of most fossil species,” he wrote, “includes two features particularly inconsistent with gradualism [gradual evolution from one species to another]:
“[1] Stasis. Most species exhibit no directional [evolutionary] change during their tenure on earth. They appear in the fossil record looking pretty much the same as when they disappear; morphological [anatomical or structural] change is usually limited and directionless.
“[2] Sudden appearance. In any local area, a species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its ancestors: it appears all at once and ‘fully formed’”

Please note that evolutionists would have us believe that the homo sapien species evolved all at once or at the same speed, at the same time, all over the world.

Francis Hitching, member of the Prehistoric Society and the Society for Physical Research, also sees problems in using the fossil record to support Darwinism.
[b]“There are about 250,000 different species of fossil plants and animals in the world’s museums,” he writes. “This compares with about 1.5 million species known to be alive on Earth today. Given the known rates of evolutionary turnover, it has been estimated that at least 100 times more fossil species have lived than have been discovered. But the curious thing is that there is a consistency about the fossil gaps: the fossils go missing in all the important places.
“When you look for links between major groups of animals, they simply aren’t there; at least, not in enough numbers to put their status beyond doubt. Either they don’t exist at all, or they are so rare that endless argument goes on about whether a particular fossil is, or isn’t, or might be, transitional between this group and that . . . “There ought to be cabinets full of intermediates—indeed, one would expect the fossils to blend so gently into one another that it would be difficult to tell where the invertebrates ended and the vertebrates began.
But this isn’t the case. Instead, groups of well-defined, easily classifiable fish jump into the fossil record seemingly from nowhere: mysteriously, suddenly, full-formed, and in a most un-Darwinian way.
And before them are maddening, illogical gaps where their ancestors should be”[/b]

Michael Denton, a medical doctor and biological researcher, explains that “of the 329 living families of terrestrial vertebrates [mammals, birds, reptiles and amphibians] 261 or 79.1 percent have been found as fossils and, when birds (which are poorly fossilized) are excluded, the percentage rises to 87.8 percent”. In other words, almost 88 percent of the varieties of mammals, reptiles and amphibians populating earth have been found in the fossil record. How many transitional forms, then, have been found?
“. . . Although each of these classes [fishes, amphibians, reptiles, mammals and primates] is well represented in the fossil record, as of yet no one has discovered a fossil creature that is indisputably transitional between one species and another species. Not a single undisputed ‘missing link’ has been found in all the exposed rocks of the Earth’s crust despite the most careful and extensive searches”

If Darwin’s theory were true, transitional creatures such as invertebrates with partially developed backbones, fish with rudimentary legs, reptiles with primitive wings and innumerable creatures with semievolved anatomical features should be the rule, scattered throughout the fossil strata. But they are simply nonexistent.

Charles Darwin’s theories certainly took the world by storm, but he seemed to have had second thoughts in some respects. In his later years he reflected on what he had started this way: “I was a young man with unformed ideas. I threw out queries, suggestions, wondering all the time over everything; and to my astonishment the ideas took like wildfire. People made a religion of them”

So could man create a religion with no god? The widespread acceptance of evolution shows that people have done just that.
The Bible teaches us that God created man. Evolution teaches us that man created God.
Which is the myth—God or evolution?

Louis Bounoure, director of France’s Strasbourg Zoological Museum and professor of biology at the University of Strasbourg, stated: “Evolution is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless”

Professor Bounoure, though right about evolution, was wrong about one thing. Rather than being useless, evolution is quite useful if one wants to reject the idea of God.
As Dr. Thomas Woodward states, “Many scholars working in the ID [intelligent design] community have pointed out a key fact: Darwinism may not entail atheism, but it appears certain that to some extent, atheism entails Darwinism”

The Picture below is a fish called the coelacanth. It is so ancient. It is over 300 million years of age any was thought to be extint 70 million years ago. It was a prime candidate for evolutionists as the fish that crawled on land because its fossils has transitional limblike features.
Evolutionists were utterly embarrassed when it was caught in a fisherman’s net in south Africa in 1938. Unsuprisingly 300 million years till date, it still retains its wonderfully created features.

I would conclude with this quote from Phillip Johnson, law professor at the University of California at Berkeley, he has written several books about the evolution debate. He approaches the evidence for and against evolution as though evaluating a legal case.

“Naturalistic evolution is not merely a scientific theory; it is the official creation story of modern culture. The scientific priesthood that has authority to interpret the official creation story gains immense cultural influence thereby, which it might lose if the story were called into question. The experts therefore have a vested interest in protecting the story . . .”

source; www.ucg.org

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Christianity Etc › A Much Better Explanation Of Evolution by winner01(op): 11:39pm On Feb 06, 2016*

In reference to the thread created by cloudgoddess; https://www.nairaland.com/2914888/much-needed-explanation-evolution

I want to make my submission

In her thread, She started by writing that she’s been studying evolution for 3 years and is presently taking biology courses in the U.S (appealing to the interests of the average black man) and so she must be right even though she gives zero evidence.
She also did well in fixing basic biological facts to trick unsuspecting readers into absorbing the content of her article while subtly advising the readers to disregard the opinions of religious leaders and at the same time pointing out the “threats” posed by religion.
Without wasting time, let’s move to the points she made.

cloudgoddess:
- Cells are the fundamental units of life and all of those cells contain genetic material.

Part of the basic biological facts I spoke about earlier.

cloudgoddess:
- The collection of genetic material each organism posseses changes slightly from generation to generation because of mutations and genetic mixing via sex or other reproductive means.

You think of mutation as advantageous.
Do you even know the meaning of mutation? Mutation is more of a disadvantage, a liability, not a benefit. You must be a die-hard fan of the x-men mutant series.
Mutations are pathological mistakes and not helpful changes in the genetic code. C.P. Martin of McGill University in Montreal wrote, “Mutation is a pathological process which has had little or nothing to do with evolution”
Professor Martin’s investigations revealed that mutations are overwhelmingly negative and never creative.
He observed that an apparently beneficial mutation was likely only a correction of a previously deleterious one, similar to punching a man with a dislocated shoulder and inadvertently putting it back into place.

Science writer Richard Milton explains the problem: “The results of such copying errors are tragically familiar. In body cells, faulty replication shows itself as cancer. Sunlight’s mutagenic [mutation inducing] Power causes skin cancer; the cigarette’s mutagenic power causes lung cancer.
In sexual cells, faulty reproduction of whole chromosome number 21 results in a child with Down’s syndrome”

Yet you wanna have us believe that such genetic mistakes are not only not harmful to the afflicted creature but are helpful in the long run undecided

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Professor Phillip Johnson quoted, “To suppose that such a random event as mutation could reconstruct even a single
complex organ like a liver or kidney is about as reasonable as to suppose that an improved watch can be designed by throwing an old one against a wall”

Zoologist Pierre-Paul Grassé, who studied mutation extensively, both inside his laboratory and in nature. In all sorts of living things, from bacteria to plants and animals. He has observed that mutations do not take succeeding generations further and further from their starting point. Instead, the changes are like the flight of a butterfly in a green house, which travels for miles without moving more than a few feet from its starting point. He described Darwinism as a theory that does not work, because it clashes with so many experimental findings.

There are invisible but firmly fixed boundaries that mutations can never cross . . . He insists that mutations are only trivial changes; they are merely the result of slightly altered genes, whereas ‘creative evolution demands the genesis of new ones’”

Embarrassingly for evolutionists, mutation is also not the answer. If anything, the self-correcting system to eliminate mutations shows that a great intelligence was at work when the overall genetic system was
designed so that random mutations would not destroy the beneficial genes. Ironically, mutation shows the opposite of what evolutionism teaches: In real life, random mutation is the villain and not the hero.

cloudgoddess:
- The genetic traits that contribute to or do not harm an organism's survival in its specific environment get passed on to succeeding generations. Traits that are deleterious to survival eventually eliminated from the gene pool of that population.

According to cloudgoddess and the evolutionary theory, the traits that offer the greatest advantage for survival are passed from generation to generation.
Yet human reproduction itself argues powerfully against this fundamental premise of evolution.
As depicted by one of the diagrams in her post. Life started from simple celled organisms like bacteria, eukaryotes, archea all the way to multicelled organisms (mammals) e.t.c.
Now If human beings are the pinnacle of the evolutionary process, how is it that we have the disadvantage of requiring a member of the opposite sex to reproduce, when lower forms of life such as bacteria, viruses and protozoa are sexless and far more prolific? If they can reproduce by far simpler methods, why can’t we? If evolution is true, what went wrong?

Let’s take it a step further. If human beings are the result of evolution continually reinforcing characteristics that offer a survival advantage while eliminating those that hinder perpetuation, how can we explain a human infant?

Among thousands of species the newly born (or newly hatched) are capable of survival within a matter of days or, in some cases, only minutes. Many never even see their parents. Yet a human infant is utterly helpless not for days but for up to several years after birth. A human baby is reliant on adults for the nourishment, shelter and care he or she needs to survive. Meanwhile, caring for that helpless infant is a distinct survival disadvantage for adults, since giving of their time and energy lessens their own prospects for survival. If evolution is true and humanity is the pinnacle of the evolutionary process, why does a process as basic as human reproduction fly in the face of everything that evolution holds true? Obviously, cloudgoddess has overlooked such an obvious flaw.

cloudgoddess:
Over many, many generations this process slowly creates new - members of a population become so far removed genetically, that they can no longer reproduce with one another.

If this is in any way true, the ancestral and transitional fossils of millions of allegedly “evolved” species today will be an unquestionable proof. But what do the fossil records show? We’ll get to that soon enough.

cloudgoddess:
This explains why we see organisms that are extremely well-matched to their present environments and biological niches - and why the "well-matched" organisms of the past are not the same "well-matched" organisms of the present.

Really people??, Are humans “extremely well-matched” to their present environment without the aid of foreign and synthetic materials? At least, compared to the “apes” we allegedly evolved from??

cloudgoddess:
This explains why habitat destruction or tampering of any kind can be so harmful to wildlife.

Well, Simple Biology. (A Simple wildlife conservation principle)

cloudgoddess:
This explains why bacterial populations grown for thousands of generations in a lab became more and more genetically adapted to their environment each generation (experiment done by Dr. Richard E. Lenski, Michigan State University).

Lol!! studies like this, that find small variations within a species over time, such as in the size of finch beaks or the coloration of moths, are sometimes used to try to prove Darwinian evolution. But such studies are sometimes flawed. And even if valid, they provide no such proof.

Adaptation within a species is called microevolution. It is the same phenomenon at work when the average height of men and women increased by several inches in the Western world over the course of the 1900s.
Better health and nutrition played a large part in producing larger-sized people. In the same way, microevolution is at work when breeders produce varieties ranging from Chihuahuas to Great Danes within the one species Canis familiaris the domestic dog.
These examples show, as in the rest of nature, that all species do have a margin of change available within their genetic pool to adapt to conditions. This trait is found in man, who can adapt to freezing weather, as the Eskimos do, or to the broiling sun in the desert, as bedouins have done. But bedouins and Eskimos are still human beings, and if they changed environments again, eventually their offspring would also go through minor changes to better adapt to their new environment.

What has never been scientifically demonstrated in spite of many examples of wishful thinking is macroevolution, or the change from one distinct species to another. Dogs have never evolved into birds or human beings as evolution suggests.

Professor Phillip Johnson understood this and said: “Critics of evolutionary theory are well aware of the standard examples of microevolution, including dog breeding and the cyclical variations that have been seen in things like finch beaks and moth populations. The difference is that we interpret these observations as examples of the capacity of dogs and finches to vary within limits, not of a process capable of creating dogs and finches, much less the main groups of plants and animals, in the first place . . .
“As any creationist (and many evolutionists) would see the matter, making the case for ‘evolution’ as a general theory of life’s history requires a lot more than merely citing examples of small-scale variation. It requires showing how extremely complex biological structures can be built up from simple beginnings by natural processes, without the need for input or guidance from a supernatural Creator”

Thus some cited examples of evolution at work are really no proof at all of anything at all much less how any of these creatures moths, dogs, finches or human beings came to exist.

cloudgoddess:
It is a confirmed fact (to the extent that humanity is able to confirm anything) that evolution is happening and has happened for all of life, that is not a matter of opinion. The very large amount of evidence we have does not point in any other direction. The Theory of Evolution as it stands today is simply humanity's latest and most refined description of that process and how it operates.

Thank you for reading.

Are you really sure you know which direction the evidence points at or is this just a “go with the flow” thing, you know, band-wagon??

Well Thanks, But as usual, no justice whatsoever done to evolution, just your favourite “its not merely a theory, just accept it” talks. Johnydon22 was right even though I don’t believe he really meant it. Your post belongs in nairaland’s science section

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Christianity Etc › Re: Christians, Why Do You Believe In The Biblical God? by winner01(m): 10:39pm On Feb 03, 2016

aaronson:
Add 's' to your "like" before the last paragraph and also add "r" to your in the very first paragraph statement, Mr improved English writer

You just so flat out mentally re tarded and st upid as chasing your tail in a circle.

Lol, "like" numbers Or number of likes
1. notice how the "s" is interchanged
2. Like is in quote. Go read about quotation marks.

As for my first paragraph, Im sure people reading this will laugh at your pride and stupidity.
You are a disgrace to yourself and this will be my last reply to you.

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