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"For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son - that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life" John 3:16


God has given us what we need to succeed. We can decide to accept or reject it.

What we can't do, is to reject it and wish failure away. We would be deluding ourselves.

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AnonyNymous:
Isn't it pathetic lol. The op, in his argument (which is full of fallacies) is slightly able to put something forward for deism, and then later on, twists that to suit Christianity.

You obviously did not read it well enough.

dblackninja:
I wonder what this guy wanna achieve from all these. One day you might break down.
Take a chill pill bro, it will help you cure the obsession.

I should take a chill pill to cure me of the obsession of sharing testimonies
lol
God's goodness will always be on our lips man.

Lennycool:
This theist tire me sef. Anytime I see a post like this about an atheist turning to a theist or a post about the undeniable existence of God. All they point to is the fact that the universe is too complex to not be just random chance. They point to DNA sequencing and various other feats of nature, but as i will continue to argue over and over again, this doesn't prove that your God exist, it only enhances the possibility of a creator. Creator and God are not the same. You can just point to the universe and claim your God did it, since anyone can you use that line. From the Egyptians to the Greeks and Mayans.

Its simple, there is only one rational conclusion you can reach, when you eventually decide on the possibility of a Creator God. Thats why the greeks arent of much concern to you. Thats why christianity drives you and your friends crazy.
For once you conquer christianity in your mind, it becomes easy to discard the reality and coherence of your Creator.

Keep arguing that you are all there is.
Good luck too.

hopefulLandlord:
but you need to believe the Christian god is the true god or burn in hell forever

And so I should join you in disbelieving God because of the existence of hell?
lol.
I dont know where billions of people who never heard about Jesus are, I dont know if God has a provision for them. What i do know is that God will not coerce our freewill.

You choose hell by rejecting the love of God the same way you choose failure by refusing to study for your exams.
The best you can do is to wish it away, it does not change reality.

Forgiveness might be difficult sometimes, especially when the offence committed against you is grave.

I watched a movie sometime ago about a man who killed a widows's child at a party. After doing his time in jail, he went back to the widow. She was old at this time and lonely. A conversation ensued between them:

Murderer: I am the man who killed your son, and i'm ready to do whatever you want me to do.

Widow (looks at him and says): You are welcome. I've been praying for you

That was my highlight of the movie. I remembered this movie when I read this woman's story.

Its quite touching. What does the Holy Bible say about forgiveness;



"Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good."- Matthew 6:14-15


Jesus also said: "For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." - Romans 12:17-21




Forgiveness is truly something everyone must learn.



I was equally moved when i saw this facebook post on my wall
www.nairaland.com/attachments/4278122_s10699611edit_jpege50136c01603a14b0b977d8eee53c283


We must learn to forgive always. May God bless you.

Happy Sunday.

4everGod:
we bless God. They are fine. Showing me no mercy as always as they refuse to recognise recession same as I refuse to recognise it. lol

There is always a lifting up for us.

Amen. There will always be a lifting up for us no matter what.
Happy Sunday Bro.

"God is not merely good but goodness; Goodness is not merely divine but God"- C.S. Lewis

This quote is epic. This Man was an atheist who followed the evidence where it led and searched truly for answers. I still admire his intelligence.


His take on morality; Our lives are good when we strive to imitate God whom we have seen in the person of Christ Jesus.

He submits the overview of morality in the simplest possible terms.
This man ehn!!!.

analice107:
I don't know, maybe becos as an atheist, you don't or shouldn't believe Jesus ever existed.

He is not an atheist. At least not yet. I think he finds atheism charismatic but he has chosen to give reason a chance.
He does not seem angry too.

ColdHardTruth:
so I'm not hopefullandlord?

Hmmmm!

fixed

ColdHardTruth:
hopefullandlord again!

lol.
Damage control tactics not working.

I love reading the works of this man. He took the case for christianity to another level entirely. His words will make any right thinking person wonder.


Take for instance, my favourite quote of his:
"If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world."

Every human being has felt this way, those who have acheived all their goals, all their dreams. Sometimes, we just cant be fully satisfied by anything in this world.
If the world is all there is and ever will be, then human needs will be satiable. But this is not the case, human needs are insatiable. He always want more when you give him more. It proves only one thing. There is something more. Reality is not all there is, there is more to reality.
This is exactly why the majority of people who have lived have believed in one form of god or the other, even though those forms may have been perverted. People want to try to reach for this reality.

C.S. Lewis was really great man.

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ColdHardTruth:
Lmao! Maybe I am hopefullandlord
Hmmmm!!

When next you want to move your conversion stories to the front page, try not to use your other moniker.

C.S. Lewis was one of the most prominent atheists of his time.
In the early hours of 21 September 85 years ago, C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien were debating the coherence of Christianity in one of the foundational moments that led Lewis to become a Christian.


Lewis, an Oxford professor and author, went on to become one of the great bastions of 20th century Christianity against a growing tide of atheist philosophy. As well as the Narnia series he went on to write and lecture in defence of faith. His most famous apologetic, Mere Christianity, is still widely read today.

On the anniversary of this significant date, here are 10 quotes from Lewis on the case for Christianity.

1. "Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and, if true, of infinite importance. The one thing it cannot be is moderately important."




2. "A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic– on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg – or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronising nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."




3. "To be ignorant and simple now – not to be able to meet the enemies on their own ground – would be to throw down our weapons and to betray our uneducated brethren who have, under God, no defense but us against the intellectual attacks of the heathen. Good philosophy must exist, if for no other reason, because bad philosophy needs to be answered."




4. "Supposing there was no intelligence behind the universe, no creative mind. In that case, nobody designed my brain for the purpose of thinking. It is merely that when the atoms inside my skull happen, for physical or chemical reasons, to arrange themselves in a certain way, this gives me, as a by-product, the sensation I call thought. But, if so, how can I trust my own thinking to be true? It's like upsetting a milk jug and hoping that the way it splashes itself will give you a map of London. But if I can't trust my own thinking, of course I can't trust the arguments leading to Atheism, and therefore have no reason to be an Atheist, or anything else. Unless I believe in God, I cannot believe in thought: so I can never use thought to disbelieve in God."




5. "If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world."




6. "All I am in private life is a literary critic and historian, that's my job... And I'm prepared to say on that basis if anyone thinks the Gospels are either legends or novels, then that person is simply showing his incompetence as a literary critic. I've read a great many novels and I know a fair amount about the legends that grew up among early people, and I know perfectly well the Gospels are not that kind of stuff."




7. "If Christianity was something we were making up, of course we could make it easier. But it is not. We cannot compete, in simplicity, with people who are inventing religions. How could we? We are dealing with Fact. Of course anyone can be simple if he has no facts to bother about."




8. "If you had gone to Buddha and asked him: 'Are you the son of Brahma?' he would have said, 'My son, you are still in the vale of illusion.' If you had gone to Socrates and asked, 'Are you Zeus?' he would have laughed at you. If you had gone to Mohammed and asked, 'Are you Allah?' he would first have rent his clothes and then cut your head off. If you had asked Confucius, 'Are you Heaven?' I think he would have probably replied, 'Remarks which are not in accordance with nature are in bad taste.' The idea of a great moral teacher saying what Christ said is out of the question. In my opinion, the only person who can say that sort of thing is either God or a complete lunatic..."




9. "If you are concerned about your loved ones that won't be in Heaven, the most irrational thing you could do if you are truly concerned about those on the outside is to remain outside yourself."




10. "I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."






http://www.christiantoday.com/article/10.times.c.s.lewis.made.the.case.for.christ/96030.htm

raphieMontella:
oga
..what is buddhism?

wow..continue

lol..

lies

this misotheism shvt again
?
Oga exmuslims dey sire etc

hehehe...judge not...lest ye be judged.

Atheists are looking for relevance with science, agnostics and religions that profess no God. You should look up the word atheism and religion and then merge them together and see how much sense you make.

Just be a freethinker. I know you crave free thinking, but just try.

hopefulLandlord:
Nice Thread!

With your alternate moniker .


Phil died and so God does not exist. I thought it was about logic and reasoning.
I'm right yet again. Atheism is never about logic.

ValentineMary:
Let's make something clear here. Atheism is not a religion thus they don't have a central ideology. Though there are atheist religions like taoism, confucianism, etc the same way we have theist religion like christianity, islam, hinduism, etc. So I can't call theism a religion also because we have irreligious theist and irreligious atheist.

So atheist who killed did that based on personal convictions and not because of a central ideology. But religious people who kill do it based on a central ideology. I can't approve what people like Stalin did because I respect life as important.

Story!

There is no such thing as atheist religions or irreligious atheist. Be a free thinker for once and stop listening to deluded individuals.

Over 85% of avowed atheists who have found their way to power have tried all in their power to eradicate religion, we all know they make the catholic look like a learner when we compare the number of deaths.

I dont care on what personal convictions they killed millions of souls. Im certain you all have one thing in common. HATE.
Those who dont have this live their lives as though they really lack a belief.

Im sure if you got to power today with this delusion, you'll force feed people your version of hopelessness the way you do here on a daily basis. And then ifenes and co will reject you

4everGod:
Your time will come.....eventually. ...


winner01 I may be tired today from hard work but not too tired to express my appreciation to you for this Testimony.

keep on riding on our Fathers wings. Bless you.

Thanks Bro. God bless you too. Amen.
How's the family?

ifenes:
Conclusion without verification.

Okay.
Tell that to those who have blind faith.

We have faith
Faith in Christ Jesus
Not against Evidence
But beyond Evidence.


People can click on the following for more testimonies.

From christian family to atheism to Jesus Christ

Atheism failed me: Nick watts

Craig keener explains his journey to christianity


Christ hating atheist writer becomes christian

Atheist to church planter: Pastor Alin on the deficiency of atheism

Why I gave up on atheism- Paul Kalanithi

Essay causes atheist to seriously question beliefs

Atheist dies, goes to hell and then heaven - shares testimony

From Porn to Purpose: Ex atheist porn star narrates her ordeal

Atheist doctor converts to christianity, shares testimony

Ex atheist College professor shares testimony in near death experience

How a frence atheist became a theologian

Fox news highly reluctant Jesus follower

Scientific atheism to Christ- Jennifer fulwiler

How God messed up my happy atheist life-Nicole cliffe

Born to atheist parents, leads her parents to Christ

Atheist professor holly ordway becomes christian

Atheist professor of Biology converts to christianity

Shelly hundley - an atheist turns to God

and hundreds of unrecorded testimonies.

God is good.

felixomor:
I love testimonies.

God bless u brother....

Thanks. God Bless you too bro.

ifenes:
Blind faith,the twin brother to yahweh

What is the meaning of Blind faith?

My Experience, Part 2 – Further Evidence of God

Since that time, now that I've been a Christian for a number of years----why do I now believe in God? What reasons do I have for continuing to believe in God?

I'm not sure any of these are going to be believable to you. But I'll try to put that concern aside and be candid with you. Previously my questions were about God's existence. After beginning a relationship with God, I saw additional evidence that God is real. Such as...

1. When I have questions, concerns, or would like insight on a matter, God speaks to me through the Bible. What he shows me is always perfectly suited to my question, and a better, more satisfying answer than I expected. Here's an example.

One day, my schedule, deadlines, and obligations were crawling up my neck and tightening their hold. You know that feeling when you're so overwhelmed, you don't know what to do first?

So I got out a piece of paper and pen, and asked God: "Just tell me what you want me to do, and I'll do it." I was fully prepared for shouldering 100% responsibility, and was basically asking God to just set the priorities, tell me how to approach it all, and I would.

I then opened my Bible and immediately read where Jesus was talking with a man who was blind. Jesus was asking him, "What do you want me to do for you?"

I read it again. Jesus asked: "What do you want me to do for you?" Rather amazed, I picked up my pen and began writing an entirely different list...to God. This, I have found, is characteristic of God. Reminding us that he is there. That he cares, and he's capable.

I choose that example because it's brief. But I could cite hundreds of examples where I was asking God a question and he perfectly, thoroughly answered me. It probably is the characteristic of God that I most appreciate and value--that he is willing to answer my questions.

This isn't something I learned from other Christians. It's just how my relationship with God operates. I ask a question, with an attitude that I really want to give him freedom to tell me whatever he wants to....to correct my thinking, to point out an area in my life that isn't right, to show me where I'm not trusting him, whatever. And he always graciously speaks to me.

2. Similarly, when I need direction for a decision, he gives it. I believe that God cares about our decisions. I believe he has a plan for our lives, that he cares about who I marry, what kind of job I have, and some decisions smaller than that. I don't believe he cares what toothpaste I buy, or lots of mundane decisions. But decisions that will affect my life or what he wants to accomplish through my life...I think he cares.

When has God given me clear direction?

One time I needed to decide about a trip to the Middle East. There was risk involved, and I was willing to go only if God wanted me to go. It was important to me that I knew what he wanted.

Two different times I asked God about a job. Both times his leading on it was so clear, that anyone watching would have concluded the same. Let me try one thin slice of an example.

During my senior year of college, I had decided to take a job with a Christian organization after graduation, that would require a move to California.

It was Christmas break, and I was now visiting my parents. One evening, I was alone and thinking through a long list of friends. I was wondering who I could talk into moving to California with me to be roommates. One person named Christy, came to mind, who had already graduated and settled in a job in Iowa. I thought she'd be the perfect roommate, but I hadn't talked to her in several months. Just 30 minutes later, at my parents home, Christy calls me on the phone.

Her first sentence was, "I heard you are taking a job with this Christian organization." I was floored because I had only told one friend, in Ohio.

Her next statement was, "Ok, I've got the pots and pans and dishes." I said, "WHAT?!" She was moving to the same town in California and was calling to see if I would room with her.

Ok, so you see my point.

You might ask, why such a big deal, to even need God's help in this decision? I knew that my parents would be completely opposed to this job. I thought it might cost me my relationship with my parents forever. So it was not a light decision. I asked God to guide me toward what he wanted. And he did. There were about ten other events related to this job, just as clear.

Other reasons I still believe in God...

3. In terms of explanations about life--why we're here, what the purpose is, what is important in life, what to value or strive for--God has better answers than anything I've ever read anywhere. I have studied multiple philosophies and religions and other life approaches. What I read in the Bible, what I see from God's perspective, all the pieces of the puzzle fit.

There is still a lot I'll read in the Bible and close the Bible saying, "I don't get it." So I don't mean to suggest I fully understand everything in the Bible. Instead, I'm saying that life only makes sense from the perspective of what God has revealed. It's like reading the operating manual to life on earth, only we are not left to merely follow the manual. The inventor is explaining to us how it all works, and then offers to personally guide us through it, on a daily basis.

4. The intimacy with God is deeper than intimacy with any human being. I say that married, with two children, and tons of very close friends. His love is perfect. He's incredibly gracious. He takes me right where I'm at, and as I said, speaks to me. He intervenes with actions that leave me amazed as the observer. He is not a belief or doctrine. I see him act in my life.

5. He has done more with my life than I would have done on my own. This is not a statement of inferiority or lack of self confidence. I'm speaking in terms of accomplishments that far exceeded what I ever had in mind. He provides ideas, direction, solutions, wisdom, and better motives than I could aspire to on my own.

Well, there is more, but I think that gives you enough. I'm not sure any of it is believable to you, but I've been as honest as I know how to be.

If you would like to see some of the evidence that moved me from my atheist experience to believing in God, please see these two articles:
      Is There a God?
      Beyond Blind Faith

A personal account from an atheist who was convinced no god exists, and what facts led to God.

Religious people seemed annoyed by my question, "How do you know that God exists?"

Perhaps they wondered about my motives. Or maybe they had no idea how to answer. Most of their responses were, "Well, you just know."

I wasn't trying to be difficult. But I certainly did not "just know." And I was hoping someone did!

After many months of this, I thought, "Here are the people who say they believe in God, but no one knows why!"


It was like learning the truth about Santa Claus. It seemed obvious that God was completely fabricated. Maybe some people needed to believe in God but clearly there was no proof. No objective evidence. I came to the most stark conclusion...God did not actually exist.

I held this belief for years, not expecting it to ever change. But then I met someone who caused me to become interested in the possibility of God. She was caring, kind, and very intelligent. It bothered me that someone that intelligent could believe in God.

She talked about God like he was her closest friend. She was convinced he deeply loved her. I knew her life well. Any concern she would take to God, trusting him to work it out or care for her in some way. She would tell me, quite candidly, that she was merely praying that God would act upon her concerns. For over a year, I regularly saw what seemed to be answers to her prayers. I watched her life through a myriad of circumstances, and her faith in God was unwavering.

So, I wanted to believe in God on one hand, because I admired her life and her love for others. But I couldn't believe in something against my intellect, against my better judgment. God did not exist. A nice idea, but that was all. Wanting something to be true, doesn't make it true.

During this time I was developing a personally built philosophy.

I tried something that I'm not sure many people do. Every few weeks, I would study a particular philosopher's take on life ...Nietzsche, Hume, Dostoevsky, Sartre, Plato, etc. and then try to apply it to my own life. I was looking for the perfect, workable philosophy for life. I found over and over, that either their philosophies seemed lacking, or were too impractical to implement. But I kept searching.

I was challenging my friend with every question that came to mind about God. I would find myself writing out questions late in the evening. This went on for well over a year. One day she handed me a book1 that briefly answered questions like, is there a God; is Jesus God; what about the Bible. It presented facts. No comments like, "you have to believe."

I saw some evidence for God that was solidly logical. The parts particularly convincing to me were the chemical properties of water and the earth's position to the sun. It was all too perfectly designed, too perfectly put together. My faith in "nothing behind it all" seemed weaker than the possibility of God. I had fewer reasons to be certain of nothing, and more reasons to conclude that God might be there.

I then encountered a situation that fully challenged my current philosophy on life. What I had been putting my faith in proved to be completely insufficient. It shocked me to see that I was at a loss for an approach to life that was fully reliable. However, the situation resolved itself and I moved ahead. I have a pretty steady personality. Throughout my life, I never really felt "needy." No on-going crisis. No big gaps or struggles. And certainly nothing I felt guilty about.

But the concept of God was something I couldn't get off my mind....was he there? does he exist? maybe there's a God.....

One night I was talking to my friend again, and she knew I had all the information I needed. She knew that I had run out of questions to ask. Yet I was still trying to debate. In one clear, abrupt moment, my friend turned to me and said, "You know, I can't make this decision for you, and God's not going to wait forever."

And I immediately knew she was right. I was playing around with a very important decision. So I went home and decided that I was going to decide. I was going to either ask God to come into my life, or I was going to end the subject forever and never allow myself to consider the possibility of God again. I was tired of dealing with this decision. I was tired of thinking about it.

So, for the next three or four hours, I reviewed everything I had read and observed. I evaluated it all.

I concluded that the evidence for God was so strong that it made more sense to believe in God than to believe he wasn't there. Then I had to act on that conclusion.

I knew that just intellectually concluding God existed, was way too light. It would be like deciding...airplanes exist. Faith in an airplane means nothing. However, if you need to get somewhere and an airplane is the way, you have to decide to act and actually get on the plane.

I needed to make the decision to actually talk to God. I needed to ask him to come into my life.

After a few hours of thought I addressed God, "Ok you win. I ask you to come into my life, and you may do with it whatever you'd like." (It seemed reasonable to me, that since God exists, God had every right to influence and direct my life, if he wanted to.)

I went to bed and the next morning wondered if God was still there. And honestly, I kind of "sensed" that he was. One thing I knew for sure. I immediately had a huge desire to get to know this God whom I now believed in.

I wanted to read the Bible. When I did, it seemed that God was spelling out who he is and how he viewed this relationship with him. It was amazing. What really surprised me is how often he talked about his love. I hadn't expected that. In my mind, I was simply acknowledging God's existence. I had no expectations of him, but as I read the Bible, he chose to communicate his love to me. That was a surprise.

Now, my basic, skeptical nature was still there. The first few months or year, I would ask myself, "Am I really believing in God? And, why am I?" And I would methodically review five objective reasons why I believed God existed. So my "faith" in God did not rest on feelings, but on facts, on reasons.

To me, it's like the foundation of a building. The facts/reasons support my faith. It's like someone driving across the Golden Gate Bridge. They can feel whatever they'd like about the bridge. But it's the construction/design/materials of the bridge itself that allows them to safely get from one end to the other. In the same way, the objective reality of God--the logical, historical, scientific reasons to believe in his existence, are important to me. There are people who don't seem to need that. But I hate being fooled, and I have little regard for wishful thinking. The substantiating reasons for God's existence mattered to me.


http://www.everystudent.com/wires/atheist.html

ValentineMary:
In the 11th century millions of Jews were killed by xtians and others were forced to accept Jesus.

During the inqusition, millions were killed for not beliving bible verses.

In America when Europeans arrived, lots of people were forced to christianity and many were killed.

Do u still want more

I understand the attrocities committed by the catholic. But do you know that atheists have killed way more people within a shorter time, jist because they found their way to power?

You never mention this.

Lennycool:
Winner winner or is it promise, I wonder how many pseudonyms you use on Nairaland. Your people have been trashed thoroughly today.

Congrats Bro, ill request your medal of honor from the universe ASAP. Dont go nowhere

AnonyNymous:
I see you've logged in to your alternate account
You have been noticed

You wish I had several accounts so I could destroy your nonsense at will . I read the first paragraph of the oP, Its nothing we havent heard.
Could you at least think freely about new arguments and not some old rephrased atheist high priest submissions.

orisa37:
God has different purposes for His different living creatures. And He swaps them at His Own Pleasure. He doesn't owe anybody any explanation for His Words and Actions.. Christ, The Son of God behaves like His Father. And this is the reason why you must not allow a Fulani man to be Obi of Onitsha or Governor of Imo State. The experiment of Sulu Gambaris is a catastrophe too much for The Yorubas to now understand. And that was why the Iboman who announced himself King in Palace of The Deji of Akureland was quickly slapped out of the Palace by OmodeOwas. So, there are reasons, times, seasons and purposes for every thing under the Sun. Africans are black. Europeans are whites . So when they mix, they produce Iran/Iraqi "Mix Cats", like The Arabs, The Mexicans, The Indians etcetera. Jesus was not biased against any thing. He was only teaching "The Reasons for Existence in that Parable. Good luck.

So do you need an apology from Jesus or do you want us not to believe in him with you?

Nice thread. Good Job bro

Lennycool:
I meant to type winner01, the modification has already been made.

AnonyNymous:
Promise10 that is the reincarnation of winner01 . After hopefullandlord dealt with that one exposing his madness (to push his anti-atheism all over nairaland) he had to go and hide under his second username

Who are these ones?
Why y'all looking for me when you should be looking for Jesus
Do you need me to come destroy your kindergarten arguments again
Sorry!.
Ill do that in my leisure

EyeHateGod:
Now u Understand what i mean? Winner01 keep posting Atheist Topics on Religion Section He has Over 140 topics on Atheism isn't that ironic?

I have 3 more threads to add to that today, so make it 143.
You know in reality, no one cares if you hate God, football or physics. But you dont enter a religion section, football field or classroom to announce your hate and then cry foul when attacked, you might have switched off your brain.