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obiZEAL:
of course now
... No be me be se.un...you can go sharing or you can go acting, you can even do both...but know that other people have same right as you, [size=13pt]to share their BELIEF or disbelief...[/size]

Are you sure about that?

I'm sure you can read, i've attached a picture below.

Maybe you should speak to se.un to include disbelief.

hopefulLandlord:
victim card being played right here https://www.nairaland.com/3354076/sos-atheists-trying-use-nl

You accuse someone of speaking out when you mock and ridicule him?

obiZEAL:
what are u sharing?

My religious views on a religious sectio?

Lennycool:
The Op is wrong on many counts. You need to understand first that bill gates and mark zuckerberg are public figures with large interests in their various companies.

Do you say this when other atheists use Zuckerberg and gates as cover for their non-existent acheivements?

Lennycool:
Besides none of them are from Nigeria, were pastors own jets and mansions

Wow, only in Nigeria do we have pastors with private jets. Guess who is close minded.

Lennycool:
the same pastors will tell them to wait for their reward in heaven,

Did your pastor tell you this or did you say what you heard from another atheist.

Lennycool:
, they don't live in a country that spends millions yearly sending religious people on pilgrimages that have no usefulness to the country, while there are hungry mouths to feed, while our infrastructure is collapsing.

Every reasonable person is against wasting public funds. But Do you talk about
- The extravagant salaries of political office holders.
- Reavealed millions of dollars looted by past leaders
- Unexecuted or abandoned projects
- amongst others.
Or is God the cause of all these too?

Lennycool:
A country that holds religious leader almost as high as their God himself.

How do you know this?

Lennycool:
And yet you ask why we the atheist in nigeria continue to speak? why we refuse to be silent? why we detest religion?

We are asking you to quit speaking and be the change you speak of.

Lennycool:
Open your eyes Nigeria is not being helped by religion, religion is a cancer on our nation, one that is getting out of hand fast.

Nigeria is not being helped by corrupt officials in places of power.
Install God-fearing and reasonable men, Nigeria will be better.

Lennycool:
So to every atheist in Nigeria I urge you to stand firm even if you have to stand alone. No one will speak out but us.

Speak out on what exactly?
Why not channel such energy to productive work.

Lennycool:
We cannot let Nigeria be clouded by religion forever. The road ahead is tough and filed with hate and persecution. But we must not and cannot give up!!

Hate and persecution really?
You storm a religion section and spew hate filled comments against religious individuals and then play the victim card?
Great, Just great!!!

obiZEAL:
No biggie...I hope U'll do same

I've been working, we've been working. Can I at least share with other religious peeps on a religion section?

Jeankrab:
I do believe God exists, but have given up hope on him when I realized God is partial towards some of the people he created like me and since I can't "sit on the fence" I decided to change my believe and who I will look up to. That's why I read different threads on this section just to clear my guilt and doubt but the more thread I read, the more confused I become.

Do not give up on God because He wont give up on you. You can pm me too so we can discuss better.

bqlekan:
Are animals intellectually inclined enough to be aware of human rights?

Good question!



Ill say No.

From the christian point of view, we can find in Genesis how man must treat animals. In Genesis 1 God established the relationship between man and animal. In later verses, God gives to man authority over all that was created on earth. Man is to take care of and use the earth. Man is to have the authority over all that was created. This means that man is to assume the control and protection of all that God had created. Animals are to be used by men for our needs.

Animals were not used as food up till Genesis chapter 9. However, God now included certain animals in the diet of mankind and repeats His command in verse two to watch over these animals.


Man is the caretaker of the earth according to the Bible and as such should protect as much as possible animals from sickness, diseases and extinction, use the animals for his needs, keep them from harming humans and protect them from abuse.

obiZEAL:
It would have been a propaganda if it was the other way round... Just saying sha

Say less, Work more!!!.

Jeankrab:
The more I read thread on this section the more I get confused. Though this thread makes a little sense to me.

Can you expand on this?

felixomor:
Great post.

the olympics part got me the most, u can imagine?

How somebody will blame religion for failure to win medals.
it beats me hollow.

Nice post brother.

More grace!

Amen.

johnydon22:
Good thread !!!

Thanks bro...

4everGod:
Winner my winner01 I am just reading and smiling here. You really need to be a chief editor in some grand news paper or even a columnist.

You have delivered a masterpiece here and nothing more needs to be said. Your closing statement was like a bomb going off in a super quiet town and I quote, " we have heard what you are not, we have heard what you used to be and what you are presently. Can you now show us what you can do?

I think its time atheists stopped talking and get to work. Real work."

Indeed enough talk....we have heard it all. So show us what you as an individual atheist can achieve. Action speaks louder doesnt it?

Thank you my co-soldier. I appreciate.
I hope it makes sense to them.

sekundosekundo:
Forget Atheists they are the most brainwashed people on earth. My parents were atheists and I was an atheist for over 30yrs. I rest my case.

Wow!. This is good.
30 years

God be praised!!!

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I've been on the Nairaland religion section for a while now, and throught my stay on the section, I've seen atheists mock, deride, ridicule religious people and their beliefs. One thing i've noticed surely is that no atheist have ever spoken responsibly or reasonably on what people stand to gain by embracing atheism.
We get to hear stories about the evils of religion and faith and it seems as if most atheists lives here depends on how often they talk about God and religion. It gets strange to me that these people never speak about the supposed possitivities of atheism (which according to them is meant to be a better alternative).

Some selected examples of the ills of religion are shown below:
https://www.nairaland.com/3270510/how-moderate-religion-helps-terrorist
https://www.nairaland.com/3294486/things-humanity-could-better-without
https://www.nairaland.com/3300321/what-benefits-believing-god-religion
https://www.nairaland.com/3347394/spirituality-e-don-epp
https://www.nairaland.com/3349348/prayer-cause-nigerias-backwardness
https://www.nairaland.com/2247616/what-positive-effect-religion-belief
To mention a few.
Please note that those threads are silent on an alternative.

It's like someone asking me to give up my life's ambitions while keeping silent on an alternative. This "someone" hopes to acheive this by mocking, deriding and ridiculing my pre-existing ambitions.
This is a situation similar to what atheists do here daily and it's quite unfortunate that they feel so "rational doing this. It is so unwise that I lack words to describe such level of reasoning.

I have often wondered if it would be a crime for atheists to just tell the world what atheism has to offer.
It's so distasteful when atheists who brand themselves superior beings cannot speak in coherence on the benefits of atheism, instead they constantly talk ill of religion, and very dishonestly.

For instance, the other day, an atheist blamed religion for the poor performance of Africans in the olympics.
But has kept silent since Nigerias paralympic gold medal tally reached 7th with other silver and bronze medals.
Can this campaign be anymore dishonest?

In my curiousity, I tried to inquire by opening a thread, to ask for what atheism has done or can do for humanity, while citing the positive marks of religion in history (https://www.nairaland.com/3232251/what-exactly-atheism-done-humanity).
I got no reasonable reply.

Before I knew it, another atheist opened a counter thread to ask what religion has done for humanity but it turned out as a terrible embarassment as he failed to cite just a single positive mark of atheism in history or at present. (https://www.nairaland.com/3241288/what-exactly-religion-done-humanity#up)


I sincerely do not understand why self acclaimed humanists will act this way.
To get a different view of the picture, I tried to look at things from the atheist perspective - I thought to myself "If religion created a problem, then atheists suppose that atheism will be a solution to such problem". And so for the sake of fairness, I created a thread on the benefits/possible solutions of atheism: https://www.nairaland.com/3300546/some-benefits-atheism

The thread above may seem funny or even stupid to many people, but this is the same way atheists would look if they dare talk about the benefits of atheism. So to be on the safer side, its better to mock religious people into embracing atheism, without necessarily talking about what atheism has to offer.


The cummulative actions of atheists on this forum has sustained my suspicion that atheists are good "talkers" and nothing more. Talk, Talk and Talk! on what religion can't do or has done bad and how much they hate a supposedly non-existent God.
On this thread, I'll be expecting some of them to talk some more on why they cant provide the clear advantages of atheism and probably their usual insultive rhymes.


So below are things to expect if atheists are ever going to be what they claim to be:
- Act rationally and intelligible as they claim albeit falsely
- Be the change they preach, especially to our dear country
- Be self dependent like the owner of this forum and conjure up workable ideas like he did when he was not yet an outspoken atheist.
- Build science laboratories and institutes (since they claim to worship science)
- Work hard for the beterment of our dear Nation (Since they claim religion is largely a factor inhibiting its growth)
- and other logical, reasonable, intelligent sorts that they attribute to atheism in desperation.

But in reality, religious people are those who have acheived and are striving daily to acheive these feats.

Prominent atheists in Nigeria who are also meant to encourage their followers, instead motivate them to Talk!, Talk! and Talk!!!. An example is shown below.
Ref: https://www.nairaland.com/3286068/every-nigerian-atheist-should-outspoken


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Atheists who have never engaged in science start to talk about science the minute you ask for the advantages of atheism. Does this ever make any sense? Does this mean atheism is in itself invalid and must seek other fields for its validation?


Disregarding the hate-filled pettiness of atheists on Nairaland, I do not want to conclude that "Talking" is the only thing atheists are useful for. There are atheists such as Mark Zuckerberg who do not see the need to encourage people to lack what he lacks neither does he speak out about his lack (of belief in God), maybe because he dwells more on "substance" than "lack".
www.nairaland.com/attachments/4248171_s17495586edit_jpegdacef6aa2766400a30c1912801fce1e2
www.nairaland.com/attachments/4248172_s24590587edit_jpeg84347baf1c7ea3e5e3baae74518d5b7f


Then there are agnostics like bill gates who know that it makes perfect sense to believe in God.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/4248167_s9028588edit_jpeg53576497ffd426cc60c52bbb523354de
www.nairaland.com/attachments/4248166_img20160917161807edit_jpeg7d890716733a2a275ba1582e0688447d

These people, unlike other angry atheists, realize that a "belief in God" is a natural part of humans (Source: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17181713/) and try to work hand in hand with other humans to the advantage of humanity, you hardly see them talk, talk and talk!!!
These men live in a country whose number of christians double that of Nigeria (316, 668, 567) and you hardly hear them talk about lack, they rather work hand in hand with religious individuals and encourage fellow humans.

I used these men as examples because atheists like to mention at any oppourtunity that these men are on the same intelligence plane as they are, (in a lame bid to make themselves happy).


These men have shown that there is a fine line between "mere disbelief in God" and a desperate hate-filled agenda to turn people away from God". They have shown that reason is not necessarily possessed by constantly making a noise aboit it. They have shown that only emotional instability, trauma and insecurity will make a man spend everyday of his life dwelling on a Being he claims does not exist.

Indeed, the actions of some hate-filled atheists have caused other atheists a great deal of embarrasment. An atheist pours out his heart in the screen shot belowwww.nairaland.com/attachments/4248359_s24436567edit_jpeg401d2debacaaa7bc94e81e470f99f708



Well, I saw a piece on facebook by a young man which motivated the creation of this thread. The young man in simple terms pointed out the emptiness of atheism. Ill be posting his piece here:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/4248248_s5133505edit_jpeg3796f16054d94e68c2fffc9559874d02
www.nairaland.com/attachments/4248249_s15611504edit_jpeg4ac33486d9791d3ea7840bc3880ce5d7

The young man is right, we have heard what you are not, we have heard what you used to be and what you are presently. Can you now show us what you can do?

I think its time atheists stopped talking and get to work. Real work.

My greetings to you in Jesus Name.

:Pl

Dejideji1:
Nice write-up Bro, you are really a thorn in the flesh of the Atheists on this forum. I like your style of delivering the message to them Keep up the good work God will surely reward your efforts.

Amen. Thanks bro.

hopefulLandlord:
We are arguably the most religious country in the world, you and I can't argue that religion has influence in almost every sector in Nigeria

Or did they call us most religious for nothing?

Did Religious Britain suffer any negative influence anytime in the past?

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raphieMontella:
i dont need to be a ''juju man'' to know that tomorrow will be better sire..

So you have hope?

Ranchhoddas:
We all love and appreciate futuristic thinking, but the line has to get drawn at a point lest it becomes more ridiculous than the religious notions that ''we'' so love to deride. Even Kardashev the astronomer had to stop at Class III when he was devising his famous scale of civilization. Some things will just not happen regardless how tantalizing they sound.

He is expressing faith, the eye to see the unseen, a hope for a better tomorrow. We all have faith in reality, its innate.

God is just so great.