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Michael547:
I have given answers to all your questions. Similarities point to groups or types of animals that appeared suddenly.
There was no time the fossil records show gradual or complete evolution between groups or families of animals.

1. So why are these similarities finely arranged in the fossil record showing that one evolved from one?

Maybe your problem is that you are totally ignorant as to how fossilization works? Do you know how that happens?

Michael547:
First of all the Korean are not the only race of humans and that does not mean that the rest of us are evolving into something new.
Secondly if we keep procreating as humans we would still have humans in the next 100 million years.

So if we will still be humans in another 100million years, why do we have another species of bird in Galapagos that was not it’s ancestor 30years Ago?

Michael547:
I have simply said what the fossil records show. Animals appeared suddenly and disappeared Suddenly without any proof of gradual evolution.
That is why I asked you if we are also to believe in evolution by faith since no one can prove it yet.

lets end this debate.

1. Tell me why we can no longer see the first organisms?

2. Tell me why DNA and structural similarities are finely arranged, orderly in the fossil records in the earthcrust.

I will agree with you if you can tell why?

Michael547:
I have simply said what the fossil records show. Animals appeared suddenly and disappeared Suddenly without any proof of gradual evolution.
That is why I asked you if we are also to believe in evolution by faith since no one can prove it yet.

So why do we see the proof for gradual evolution in DNA similarities?

Why they these similarities arranged orderly in the fossil records?

Michael547:
Ever since we have been having discussions. You have never proven biologically how an organism can entirely turn to another. You have only been talking about speciations that only exist within groups or families of animals.

I have shown you that by tell you that DNA similarities through speciation and fossil records proves that animals evolved from each other over billion of years.

You have to disprove that by telling me why animals in fossil records have similarities in DNA if not that they evolved from each other.

So go on an tell me why?

Michael547:
So that is the point. For every group of living organism there is already an outline of how the organisms would be formed. And biologically there is an extent to which dna can be altered in a specific organism.

So why is it difficult for you to realize that animals don’t appear and disappear in the fossil records miraculously?

They have to evolve from other animals by constant speciation?

How is that difficult to grasp?

Do you just like magic ?

Michael547:
Is he not still a human? Does that make him an entirely different organism?

1.So what happens if all humans goes extinct?

2. What happens if these changes accumulated for 100million years and then the current crop of humans goes extinct ?

Michael547:
I am not different from someone in South Korea. We are both humans. And If I were to reproduce with someone in South Korea, it would be very possible. But I cant reproduce with apes. That is what science tells us.

if you reproduce from someone from Korea, you likely to give birth to someone who cannot metabolize many drugs like you do, however you will still be 99.9999% related to him?

Why is that?

Michael547:
I am not different from someone in South Korea. We are both humans. And If I were to reproduce with someone in South Korea, it would be very possible. But I cant reproduce with apes. That is what science tells us.

But someone from Korea lacks cytochrome P450 enzymes to metabolize many drugs, but you as an African can metabolize them.

Why is 0.001 difference significant enough to cause that?

Michael547:
But why are they biologically built differently ?

Because 1% difference in DNA is enough to alter phenotypic features which is controlled by translated protein functions

Just one change in the base pair of a gene may change the function of the protein that the gene codes for

Michael547:
Because there is no scientific proof to that.

Why do humans share 50% DNA compositions with Banana?

Shouldn’t bananas have a complety different DNA set if we didn’t come from one organism and slowly diverged at some point ?

Michael547:
Because there is no scientific proof to that.

So how come dogs and apes share 89% DNA?

How did that happen ?

Michael547:
Then what is the reason for the difference in our makeup. Is it not still the dna?

Your are 99.99% related to every human on earth, why will 0.01 be enough to make you different from someone from Korea?

Michael547:
It's because that's how the families or group of animals appeared. Then from the group, other specific species are produced through reproduction. Just like we have hundreds of breeds of dogs today. But no matter how you crossbreed dogs they cannot become apes.

How do you know that a dog cannot becomes Ape in 70million years?

Michael547:
When you say speciate, what do you actually mean? Is is the same as completely evolving?

it seems you have not been reading my comments, I will define species again:

A species is a group of organisms that have the ability to mate and bear fertile offsprings.

Lions and Tigers can mate but their offspring called ligers are usually not fertile hence lions and tigers are different species.

Michael547:
The fact is that not all groups or families of animals share similarities in their dna. Like I have always said, there are biological barriers between groups or families of animals that would make it impossible for all living organisms on earth to have evolved from a single cell. That is what science teaches us today. And that is what the fossil record show.

All group of organisms on earth share similarities in their DNA.

As matter of fact, humans share 50% DNA its Bananas.

Humans share 88% with cats

1% difference in DNA similarities can be the difference between a a cheetah and a lion

Michael547:
The fact is that not all groups or families of animals share similarities in their dna. Like I have always said, there are biological barriers between groups or families of animals that would make it impossible for all living organisms on earth to have evolved from a single cell. That is what science teaches us today. And that is what the fossil record show.

So tell me why the evidence in the DNA similarity tells us that they are closely related.
On what grounds will you disapprove a DNA paternity test between organism a and B and accept a DNA paternity test between human A And B when basically we use the same method for both.

Are you inferring that paternity test that prove that this person is related to this person is also false?

Michael547:
What would have happened was that for other family of animals to be on earth, they would need to have appeared suddenly. That is exactly what the fossil records show. That families or kinds of animals appeared suddenly.

Again;
If organisms 1 over 1million years Speciate to form organisms 2,

2 repeats to forms 3

3 repeats to from 4

3 repeats to form 5

5 repeats to form 6

6 repeats to from 7

6 repeats to form 8


There has been 8million years between organism 1 and 8.

Question:

1. Will organisms 7 and 8 look more like a closely related species than organisms 1 and 8?

2. Will organism 1 and 7 function exactly in the same manner?

Michael547:
What would have happened was that for other family of animals to be on earth, they would need to have appeared suddenly. That is exactly what the fossil records show. That families or kinds of animals appeared suddenly.

if they appeared suddenly then why do they share almost exactly the same DNA composition with the immediate organism that went extinct?

Why does it seem like there was just a little edition in their DNA code that made it seem like they came from preexisting organisms?

Where do they appear from?

Michael547:
I dont know exactly when animals was created on the earth. What I do know is that the fossil records show ancient animals that once lived at a particular time and that some were fully developed and even complex than some animals we have today. That oppose the evolution theory that living organisms has always evolved from simple cell to complex animals.

We don’t know in science either, that’s because there’s none.

Now, since no organism today that was formed in the earliest times is still around, so what do you think would have happened if they didn’t evolve before going extinct?

Michael547:
Likely food chain or environmental factors. Just the same way we experiment some specie of animals go extinct today.

Good, if the first organism or the first sets of organisms all went extinct without evolving into another types, what do you think would have happened?

Michael547:
Miacids have simply gone extinct just like mammoths and dinosaurs.

Can you mention one animal today that was formed when earth was formed or few years after earth was formed and is still around today?

If you mention one, I will accept whatever you have to say about magical creations

Michael547:
Miacids have simply gone extinct just like mammoths and dinosaurs.

Why did they go extinct?

Michael547:
The fossil records do not prove what you are insinuating. There is no evidence to show that miacids biologically evolved to tigers.

So how come they share 99.9% DNA compositions with Tigers and other felines?

What explanation do you have for that?

Everyone is just busy stealing money

Michael547:
Is there any scientific proof to that. The last time I checked miacids were complete animals and no fossil shows how they gradually evolved to tigers.

can you show me any maicid today that is not a fossil?

I am curious

Michael547:
If the human dna and bacteria dna is the same, we would likewise have become microbes too. That is what science tells us. The information in our cell is different. And that is why we are different from bacterials

Where did I say that humans and bacteria DNA are the same?
Point to it

Michael547:
The evidence is in their dna. Every living organism today has an information in their cells that makes them what they are including me and you. That information cannot be completely altered. That is what we know about science today.

Can you show me evidence that tigers cannot become Apes slowly over a period of 70million years.
Do you have any evidence for that in form of DNA science and evolutionary biology?

Michael547:
Is there any scientific proof to that. The last time I checked miacids were complete animals and no fossil shows how they gradually evolved to tigers.

Yes, they share 99.9% DNA, and two discovered that Tigers appeared in the fossil record as about the same time when maicids where going extinct.

It can’t be a coincidence, it’s not magic

Michael547:
I perfectly under you to this extent. But evolution is still far more than speciation. There are changes in a cell that accounts for speciation. That is why we see physical variations in animals of the same species today. But evolution claims to go far more than that. It tells that an organism can completely change it pre recorded Information in its dna and produce entirely another organism. That is impossible today.

It claims so because it see the evidence in DNA.
It’s not a coincidence that we see more DNA disparities as we move from species, to genus, to order to class, to family to phylum and then kingdom.

As a matter of fact, we have also detected many similarities between even humans and bacteria in DNA, which is prove that they originated from a single organism. Some Genes in bacteria and humans are exact the same, what other explanation is more logical than evolution?

Michael547:
The evidence was explained in my passage above. It cannot be done even in a controlled experiment.

Your evidence doesn’t factor in millions of years of speciation.

Show me an evidence that tigers cannot evolve into apes in another 70million years of constant speciations

Michael547:
Which animal did tiger come from? And how did it happen? Infact how did life start from just a single cell? How did the first cell start?

i don’t know how life started from a single cell.
Tigers evolved from Miacids