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Michael547:
I am not an ape I beg your pardon.
How can the bird still be a finch and a new organism instead of a new specie of finch that is still made up of the same biological structure as its parents?

By all standard, you are an ape.

Stop mentioning organisms, you don’t know the definition of that word.


Check for the definition of organism and correct yourself

Michael547:
You are really confusing with your explain of evolution. Is evolution no longer the change of a specific organism or animal into another organism? Is the new Galapagos finch not still a finch like its parents?

We have many instance or one organism turning into another.

It’s not my fault if you don’t know the definition of “organism”

Michael547:
You are really confusing with your explain of evolution. Is evolution no longer the change of a specific organism or animal into another organism? Is the new Galapagos finch not still a finch like its parents?

A bobcat and a house cat are cats but different organisms.

An ananconda and a rattle snakes are both snakes but different organisms.

How’s that a tall order to grasp?

Are you okay?

Michael547:
You are really confusing with your explain of evolution. Is evolution no longer the change of a specific organism or animal into another organism? Is the new Galapagos finch not still a finch like its parents?

But you and gorrila are both apes but different organisms.

The bird is still a finch but different organism.

Do you still need education on the definition of organism?

We have proven to you that one organism can turn to another over time. Yes

Michael547:
What did the new Galapagos finch evolved into? Explain better.

IF evolution is not true, then how come I share 50# DNA with bananas? Your god did it?

It’s basically the answer for everything in religion

Michael547:
What did the new Galapagos finch evolved into? Explain better.

How is that a question?
How does that refute the fact that a new Galapagos finch species emerged?

Whatever it evolved into doesn’t matter to this discussion

Michael547:
Evolution has not been logical to me as a result of lack of evidence. What I see around me does not support it. I have been moved to look elsewhere to find out how life could have started and how different organism could have appeared suddenly.

But you just agreed that a new Galapagos finch species evolved, is that not evolution?
What’s that?

If evolution is not true, then how did HIV emerge 40years Ago?

Where did it come from ?

Your god did it?

Michael547:
If then we are all distant cousins, why cant we interbreed. What is the explanation for that?

The same reason why the new Galapagos finch that emerged 30years Ago can interbreed with its immediate ancestry.

Are they not all birds? or you are doubting that it didn’t evolve? Because the evidence is everywhere online

Michael547:
This reinforces the ideas that there are biological barriers between groups of animals that evolution cannot still answer except we are to accept it by faith.

Should we conclude that the disppearances and appearances are caused by your god?

Instead of a more logical answer of evolution?

Michael547:
Do your research about that since evolution has faulted in that regard.

So your god creates new animals every 30years because we have seen many new animal come almost every 30years.

The most recent ones were new frogs in Australia and sarcov 2.

You should have the answers and not tell me to research

Michael547:
So if evolution does not work that way, how can all different kinds of living organism come from a single living cell?

Yes, you are a distant cousin to a bacteria and that why you have exact the same set of 40 genes with Bacteria.
Every organism are distant cousins.

How can animals be appearing and disappearing?

You are funny

Michael547:
Galapagos finches exhibited variations within a family. Did that change it to a completely different animal?
Has bacterials evolved into something new? Are they not still bacterials?

The two are different animals.

They cannot mate, can you mate with a gorilla?
Are you not the same family of animal with a gorilla?

Michael547:
There is no proof that a group of animals evolved from another. The fossil proves that groups of animals came suddenly and disappeared suddenly and not gradually.

tell me where thy came from?

Where? Magic?

Michael547:
There is no proof that a group of animals evolved from another. The fossil proves that groups of animals came suddenly and disappeared suddenly and not gradually.

and also you problem is that you do not understand how evolution works.

You think a cow will give birth to a monkey. No that’s not how it works. That’s magic and it only works like that in creation Myths

Michael547:
There is no proof that a group of animals evolved from another. The fossil proves that groups of animals came suddenly and disappeared suddenly and not gradually.

But a bird in Galapagos did that, with prove.
But the fossil record gives a clear data that of animals evolved into each other without magic. We can’t say otherwise because your religion doesn’t like it

Many bacteria have done that with proofs.

Michael547:
I asked you how did life begin and you said you did not know. So what do you think the first organism was?
2) when you say dna and structural similarities are finely arranged. Do you mean that all the fossil records show a gradual change in how living organisms evolved?

Yes it does, you are the person who don’t understand how fossil strata works.

It is well arranged that it shows every details as to how and when an organism evolved, come and left.

Michael547:
I have given answers to all your questions. Similarities point to groups or types of animals that appeared suddenly.
There was no time the fossil records show gradual or complete evolution between groups or families of animals.

1. So why are these similarities finely arranged in the fossil record showing that one evolved from one?

Maybe your problem is that you are totally ignorant as to how fossilization works? Do you know how that happens?

Michael547:
First of all the Korean are not the only race of humans and that does not mean that the rest of us are evolving into something new.
Secondly if we keep procreating as humans we would still have humans in the next 100 million years.

So if we will still be humans in another 100million years, why do we have another species of bird in Galapagos that was not it’s ancestor 30years Ago?

Michael547:
I have simply said what the fossil records show. Animals appeared suddenly and disappeared Suddenly without any proof of gradual evolution.
That is why I asked you if we are also to believe in evolution by faith since no one can prove it yet.

lets end this debate.

1. Tell me why we can no longer see the first organisms?

2. Tell me why DNA and structural similarities are finely arranged, orderly in the fossil records in the earthcrust.

I will agree with you if you can tell why?

Michael547:
I have simply said what the fossil records show. Animals appeared suddenly and disappeared Suddenly without any proof of gradual evolution.
That is why I asked you if we are also to believe in evolution by faith since no one can prove it yet.

So why do we see the proof for gradual evolution in DNA similarities?

Why they these similarities arranged orderly in the fossil records?

Michael547:
Ever since we have been having discussions. You have never proven biologically how an organism can entirely turn to another. You have only been talking about speciations that only exist within groups or families of animals.

I have shown you that by tell you that DNA similarities through speciation and fossil records proves that animals evolved from each other over billion of years.

You have to disprove that by telling me why animals in fossil records have similarities in DNA if not that they evolved from each other.

So go on an tell me why?

Michael547:
So that is the point. For every group of living organism there is already an outline of how the organisms would be formed. And biologically there is an extent to which dna can be altered in a specific organism.

So why is it difficult for you to realize that animals don’t appear and disappear in the fossil records miraculously?

They have to evolve from other animals by constant speciation?

How is that difficult to grasp?

Do you just like magic ?

Michael547:
Is he not still a human? Does that make him an entirely different organism?

1.So what happens if all humans goes extinct?

2. What happens if these changes accumulated for 100million years and then the current crop of humans goes extinct ?

Michael547:
I am not different from someone in South Korea. We are both humans. And If I were to reproduce with someone in South Korea, it would be very possible. But I cant reproduce with apes. That is what science tells us.

if you reproduce from someone from Korea, you likely to give birth to someone who cannot metabolize many drugs like you do, however you will still be 99.9999% related to him?

Why is that?

Michael547:
I am not different from someone in South Korea. We are both humans. And If I were to reproduce with someone in South Korea, it would be very possible. But I cant reproduce with apes. That is what science tells us.

But someone from Korea lacks cytochrome P450 enzymes to metabolize many drugs, but you as an African can metabolize them.

Why is 0.001 difference significant enough to cause that?

Michael547:
But why are they biologically built differently ?

Because 1% difference in DNA is enough to alter phenotypic features which is controlled by translated protein functions

Just one change in the base pair of a gene may change the function of the protein that the gene codes for

Michael547:
Because there is no scientific proof to that.

Why do humans share 50% DNA compositions with Banana?

Shouldn’t bananas have a complety different DNA set if we didn’t come from one organism and slowly diverged at some point ?

Michael547:
Because there is no scientific proof to that.

So how come dogs and apes share 89% DNA?

How did that happen ?

Michael547:
Then what is the reason for the difference in our makeup. Is it not still the dna?

Your are 99.99% related to every human on earth, why will 0.01 be enough to make you different from someone from Korea?

Michael547:
It's because that's how the families or group of animals appeared. Then from the group, other specific species are produced through reproduction. Just like we have hundreds of breeds of dogs today. But no matter how you crossbreed dogs they cannot become apes.

How do you know that a dog cannot becomes Ape in 70million years?

Michael547:
When you say speciate, what do you actually mean? Is is the same as completely evolving?

it seems you have not been reading my comments, I will define species again:

A species is a group of organisms that have the ability to mate and bear fertile offsprings.

Lions and Tigers can mate but their offspring called ligers are usually not fertile hence lions and tigers are different species.

Michael547:
The fact is that not all groups or families of animals share similarities in their dna. Like I have always said, there are biological barriers between groups or families of animals that would make it impossible for all living organisms on earth to have evolved from a single cell. That is what science teaches us today. And that is what the fossil record show.

All group of organisms on earth share similarities in their DNA.

As matter of fact, humans share 50% DNA its Bananas.

Humans share 88% with cats

1% difference in DNA similarities can be the difference between a a cheetah and a lion